SPORTS SUPPLEMENTS - what to take, what not to, and why

[cameo]

I was reading the board, and I wanted to share some very important information with the board. I am licensed by the NSCA ( National Sports & Conditioning Association) as a strength and condtioning coach. Everything that I have ever written is real deal shit, no gimmicks, no games. I've worked with some top level nutritionist. I know guys that work with NFL, NBA, professinal athletes. Let me be the first to say this, THERE IS NO MAGIC PILL OR POWDER TO MAKE YOU STRONGER, LEANER, BIGGER, OR ANY OF THE SORT. A sports supplement is something that is used in "addition" to a good excersise program, and a reasonable diet. Now please believe, you get what you pay for, when it comes to sports supplements. I hear all kinds of dumb shit, CREATINE MADE ME SLOW, IT MADE ME BIG, IT MADE ME CRAMP, ALL BULLSHIT. Creatine is the #1 supplement on the market right now. There may be a number of reasons why someone had a problem with creatine usage, but when creatine is used CORRECTLY !, it will make you stronger, FASTER, and leaner. Here's what you need in ya cabinet :

1. a multi-vitamin for men

http://www.melaleuca.com/ps/images_us/product_images_us/zoom/78968.jpgthis is the best shit on the market. $100 a box for 30 days worth. You get what you pay for !!!!!!

2. Protein Powder

http://gnc.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pGNC1-2331843dt.jpg People argue me down, "too much fat in this", it made me big. EAT THE RIGHT SHIT, plus use the RIGHT protein powder, and you'll be lean. Musclemilk the best shit on the market. People gotta learn how to balance the shit out. Musclemilk is endorsed by the NCAA, nuff said !

3. Preworkout powder

http://gnc.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pGNC1-2331853dt.jpg You take one scoop, before you workout. It helps with endurance, strength, and pumps. It also heals your muscles. Yes, there is creatine in this supplement, BUT this is a "water soluble" pH balanced creatine, YOU GOTTA KNOW WHAT THE FUCK TO USE, AND HOW TO USE IT.


NOT USE :

FAT BURNERS - gimmicks and games, makes your blood pressure go up, and dick go limp, very dangerous if you use too much

TESTOSTERONE - there is no such thing. Steroids are the only real shit that works.

I'll answer more questions tomorrow, got some late night pussy to tend to ! :lol:

NO BULLSHIT, I USED A SAMPLE OF ASPIRE-36, THAT SHIT WORKS DAMN GOOD ! MIGHT NEED TO GET SOME OF THAT !

[Electric Relaxation]

Damn, I was gonna start a thread about this. I need something to give me energy before workouts. I used to take that Xenedrine w/ephedra shit--it worked like hell, but I thought I was having a fucking stroke. I'm trying to gain lean muscle and cut bodyfat--don't want to bulk up too much. What about these two:

1. http://www.bodybuilding-supplement-guide.com/image-files/lipo6-nutrex.jpg

2. http://www.bodybuilding-supplement-guide.com/image-files/bsn-no-explode.jpg

As far as I can tell, both get really good reviews.

[Complex]

:smh: Muscle Milk isn't the best product out, it just taste the best. Have you looked at the amount of calories and fat in it :hmm: Get mix with casein and whey, like Syntha 6

Animal Pack is the best Multi, and cost a lot less than that :smh:

No Xplode, stops working after a while and you have to cycle on and off :smh: NO products are overated.

And a fat burner like Redline Xtreme or Man Scorch can do the same that Fast Twitch does when it comes to energy for a workout

[Jagi]

Damn, I was gonna start a thread about this. I need something to give me energy before workouts. I used to take that Xenedrine w/ephedra shit--it worked like hell, but I thought I was having a fucking stroke. I'm trying to gain lean muscle and cut bodyfat--don't want to bulk up too much. What about these two:

1. http://www.bodybuilding-supplement-guide.com/image-files/lipo6-nutrex.jpg

2. http://www.bodybuilding-supplement-guide.com/image-files/bsn-no-explode.jpg

As far as I can tell, both get really good reviews.



1. http://www.bodybuilding-supplement-guide.com/image-files/lipo6-nutrex.jpg



the original lipo 6 was the shit, worked just like ephedra products

now...

that shit is trash, one of the reasons it was called lipo 6 was cause it had 6 ingredients, now it has 5, i forget what was removed but some other ingredients were switched and percentages were changed.. there are no more good fat burners anymore

your best bet would be an ephadrine like vasopro, caffeine pills and aspirin (ECA STACK)

if your having eating problems with portions and stuff, then some work well for curbing your hunger, hoodia products are good for that




2. http://www.bodybuilding-supplement-guide.com/image-files/bsn-no-explode.jpg

no explode is crazy, it works, but you have to take it according to instructions. meaning dont go one week on, then take a few days off etc.. this stuff works and will give you results but only if you use it constantly till the jar is empty, then take a few months off of it...

biggest problem some have experienced.. well.. lets just say its nick name is anal explode.. after taking it no more than 5 minutes later you run to the bathroom to take a shit.. happened to me the first time i took it, never happened again.. some claim to have it happen often.. you can look up the info on bodybuilding.com


but i stopped taking it for the same reason you shouldnt

i dont want to bulk up


if you need a slight energy boost before workouts but dont want to load up on supplents that get you bulky, go for some caffeine pills. 1 pill about 15-20 minutes pre workout should give you some boost

green tea extract might help with getting lean too, CLA has worked out real good, the lower the body fat percentage the better it works from what i have seen, mainly from seeing people go from 14% bfp to 8-10%

works well with below 16/17% but above 19% i have seen it do very little

the muscle milk bulks me up, and fast, thats why i stay away from it..

i like my size, i just seemed to have platued with my weight, i keep loosing fat and putting on muscle but the weight does not budge for shit...

[Dallas Bueller]

http://www.abcbodybuilding.com

[Electric Relaxation]

Thanks Jagi. Good info.
:smh: @ "Anal explode." :lol::puke:

[Complex]

And fuck GNC and their gold card, bodybuilding.com is a lot cheaper :yes:

[Electric Relaxation]

Jagi, is this the good Lipo 6 or the bad Lipo 6? I think the new one is called Lipo 6X. This looks like a good deal.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nutrex/lipo6.html

[AristotlesOwn]

In my opinion the original Lipo 6 still works just fine. I've tried the new version, but it gives me the shakes and makes my heart race even when I'm not doing anything.

No Xplode is an excellent creatine/nitric oxide product, it will give you crazy energy before your workouts, and I notice I can get at least 2 extra reps per exercise when I use it. Follow the directions closely (do NOT take it close to bedtime you will not sleep) and pair it with Cellmass (which you should take before bed) for the best result.

You don't really NEED extra creatine such as the products mentioned, but I find that it really does help with energy/recovery. It will make you retain extra water.

[Complex]

In my opinion the original Lipo 6 still works just fine. I've tried the new version, but it gives me the shakes and makes my heart race even when I'm not doing anything.

No Xplode is an excellent creatine/nitric oxide product, it will give you crazy energy before your workouts, and I notice I can get at least 2 extra reps per exercise when I use it. Follow the directions closely (do NOT take it close to bedtime you will not sleep) and pair it with Cellmass (which you should take before bed) for the best result.

You don't really NEED extra creatine such as the products mentioned, but I find that it really does help with energy/recovery. It will make you retain extra water.

Glad you brought that up, that's another benefit of creatine :yes:

[Electric Relaxation]

^^^Is this the one y'all were taking--the liqui-caps?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nutrex/lipo6.jpg

120 Liqui-Caps
Was $49.99, now $27.49

[tantran]

hey i personally thing that no2 and mega men vitamins is all you need i am trying to get mylicense as a trainer also so thats what keeps me going plus ginseng and for protein whey extreme mixed in grape juices 100 percent pure kind not the drink lol to much glucose aka sugar

[King of Kingz]

First off, to the thread starter, you could be accredited G.O.D. association of fitness, if you endorse muscle milk as the best protein, you are sadly mistaken. It is the equivalent to eating a cheeseburger after a workout. Oh you'll gain weight. There are a ton of protein on the market that work, the key is to find the one right for you. If ANYONE says that one protein is the best for everyone, they are salesman or a fool.

Second, who here is willing to pay $1200 yearly ($100 a month) for vitamins?

Third, the only real way to loose fat is a deficit diet, period. A deficit diet is lowering the amount you intake in meals, be it caloric, carbs or fat. Some of those fat burners do work, but only with the diet. Without the diet you might as well take a tick tack.

WWW.STREETWORKOUT.COM
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[King of Kingz]

Damn, I was gonna start a thread about this. I need something to give me energy before workouts. I used to take that Xenedrine w/ephedra shit--it worked like hell, but I thought I was having a fucking stroke. I'm trying to gain lean muscle and cut bodyfat--don't want to bulk up too much. What about these two:

1. http://www.bodybuilding-supplement-guide.com/image-files/lipo6-nutrex.jpg

2. http://www.bodybuilding-supplement-guide.com/image-files/bsn-no-explode.jpg

As far as I can tell, both get really good reviews.



NO-Xplode is great, but it must be cycled like everyone has said. What I have done is cycled it with other creatine/volumizers, like Green Magnitude. Another very good product.

WWW.STREETWORKOUT.COM
The Street Workout Blog (http://streetworkout.com/blog/)

[Jagi]

Jagi, is this the good Lipo 6 or the bad Lipo 6? I think the new one is called Lipo 6X. This looks like a good deal.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nutrex/lipo6.html

^^^Is this the one y'all were taking--the liqui-caps?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nutrex/lipo6.jpg

120 Liqui-Caps
Was $49.99, now $27.49

just forget lipo 6.. it just isnt as good as it was.. for the bit of help it gives your cardio workout you can get it from any product... hot rox, redline etc all are pretty much the same now.. i also tried man scorch with man vaporize, nothing..

that was with 3-4 45 minute cardio a week and 3-4 lifting a week

keep an eye out for that one product, every once in a while something pops up on the market that really works, but for some reason, about 6 months in they always change up their formula and it just stops working the way it did and sells on its previous hype


http://www.abcbodybuilding.com

thanks bookmarking and i'll check it out this weekend

[^SpiderMan^]

For Preworkout I use ErgoLean AMP.GREAT with no jitters will lower sex drive though so I cycle it.Fuck Muscle Milk.I go with Optimum 100% whey.Great price for a bioavailable protein.Fuck NO Xplode.NO Shtgun (made by VPX) is NO Xplode x 2.Im surprised Fish Oil wasn't suggested.Go with Carlsons.It helps recovery and actually burns fat.I do Fish oil in the summer,autumn and fall and Cod Liver oil in winters.I train my ass off and without supplements i'd definitely be overtraining.
Im a firefighter and on my days off, my training is as follows:
Mornings Crossfit(www.crossfit.com) Evenings:Brazilian Juijitsu and MuiThai Kick boxing with conditioning.

[cameo]

I'm not gonna argue. I know what the pro's drink. Musclemilk is not designed to make you fat, it is not equal to eating a cheeseburger. When used correctly ( BEFORE A WORKOUT, AFTER A WORKOUT, OR BEFORE BED), it is the most beneficial protein on the market. It digest in your system for up to 8 hrs. If you mix it, in water, that's about 350 cals. I use a vitamin made by Malalueca. It's the top of the line. It has an AM and PM packet, in the correct USP (United States Pharmacopia) format. I like the FAST TWITCH because it works better than the NO-EXPLODE product. I'm only trying to help. I always suggest Musclemilk because of taste and content. It's high in BCAA's, and glutamine. Drinking two musclemilk a day is not going to hurt you, if you are eating the correct ratios of food. I can use Musclemilk to gain weight by mixing it in 2% milk, or I use water when I am maintaining weight, or dropping weight. Fat burners are dangerous. Word to the wise, stop fucking with alot of caffeine, you are slowly killing yourself, fucking with the rhythm of your heart. The product I use has 200mg of caffeine, that's the only time you should be using caffeine is during a workout, for a boost. I've read these fat burners, READ NIGGA, there are items in these fat burners that you have never heard of, the shit kills people. The bottomline is this, YOUR DIET is the missing link, I been preaching that since day one. NO GREESE, NO FAST FOOD, CARDIO, WEIGHTS, WATER, GOOD LIVING, THE WHOLE NINE. I suggest that all of you visit a nutritionalist, and find out how many calories you can have a day, per your weight. I eat over 3,000 cals a day, check me out :

7 am-3 egg omelet ( I use egg beaters), onions, bell peppers, tomatos, turkey ham, low fat cheese, two slices of wheat toast, two glasses of tropicana pure, am vitamin pack

9-9:30-snack on almonds, yogurt, apple slices

12-two pieces of grilled talipia, steamed veggies, 20 oz water

2 pm - 16oz of water and ice, frozen strawberries, banana, two scoops of musclemilk vanilla

3 pm - one scoop fast twitch, workout for 1hr 20 minutes

THIS IS CRITICAL
5 pm - 16 OZ low fat chocolate milk, 6 inch subway turkey & ham, apple , PM VITAMIN PACK

7 PM - two grilled turkey patties, sweet potato yams, wheat bread, water ( two glasses of lemonade crystal light)

9-9:30 IF I WANT A PROTEIN SHAKE, i'LL HAVE ONE, IF NOT, OREO'S AND SKIM MILK ( JUST NOT EVERY NIGHT :))

I'm eating right now, cashews, and crystal light. I don't diet, I have a life style. MAN, tomorrow i'm eating fried chicken, potatos, greens, cake, pie, goin to my momma's house. I cheat, but here's the key, you gotta eat right MORE, than you eat wrong !

[Johnny_2_Clips]

This is a good fucking thread. Got alot of info. I do got a question though. I am the type of person who can control their weight, such as losing or gaining. I was at about 220lbs last winter and dropped to about 190lbs. My question is, are there any supplements out there that will add more muscle and keep my energy up, but also keep me feeling light? Reason I am asking is I started training in Boxing/MMA, and I figured if I could gain some muscle and still feel light, it would be alot smoother for me during work-out and training.

[Complex]

For Preworkout I use ErgoLean AMP.GREAT with no jitters will lower sex drive though so I cycle it.Fuck Muscle Milk.I go with Optimum 100% whey.Great price for a bioavailable protein.Fuck NO Xplode.NO Shtgun (made by VPX) is NO Xplode x 2.Im surprised Fish Oil wasn't suggested.Go with Carlsons.It helps recovery and actually burns fat.I do Fish oil in the summer,autumn and fall and Cod Liver oil in winters.I train my ass off and without supplements i'd definitely be overtraining.
Im a firefighter and on my days off, my training is as follows:
Mornings Crossfit(www.crossfit.com) Evenings:Brazilian Juijitsu and MuiThai Kick boxing with conditioning.

I take fish and flax

[cameo]

This is a good fucking thread. Got alot of info. I do got a question though. I am the type of person who can control their weight, such as losing or gaining. I was at about 220lbs last winter and dropped to about 190lbs. My question is, are there any supplements out there that will add more muscle and keep my energy up, but also keep me feeling light? Reason I am asking is I started training in Boxing/MMA, and I figured if I could gain some muscle and still feel light, it would be alot smoother for me during work-out and training.

Use my supplement stack, WATCH how that shit works. I got my protein, my creatine, my caffeine, everything you need in one deal. If your money is tight, use GNC MEGA MEN SPORT PACKS. I always praise GNC, because their company will not carry a product unless it has been tested by their labs first. GNC is my place.

[Complex]

Use my supplement stack, WATCH how that shit works. I got my protein, my creatine, my caffeine, everything you need in one deal. If your money is tight, use GNC MEGA MEN SPORT PACKS. I always praise GNC, because their company will not carry a product unless it has been tested by their labs first. GNC is my place.


:hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm: :hmm:

[King of Kingz]

I'm not gonna argue. I know what the pro's drink. Musclemilk is not designed to make you fat, it is not equal to eating a cheeseburger. NO GREESE, NO FAST FOOD, CARDIO, WEIGHTS, WATER, GOOD LIVING, THE WHOLE NINE.

Not arguing with you either brother, but you keep beating this same statement in everyones head. "I work with pros", "I know what the pros use", "this is what pro athletes take". Guess what else pro athletes take, STEROIDS!! Like 80% of pro athletes in the top 5 sports use them. Where is that on your list of "what the pros use"!!!




WWW.STREETWORKOUT.COM
The Street Workout Blog (http://streetworkout.com/blog/)

[cameo]

Not arguing with you either brother, but you keep beating this same statement in everyones head. "I work with pros", "I know what the pros use", "this is what pro athletes take". Guess what else pro athletes take, STEROIDS!! Like 80% of pro athletes in the top 5 sports use them. Where is that on your list of "what the pros use"!!!




WWW.STREETWORKOUT.COM
The Street Workout Blog (http://streetworkout.com/blog/)Here's real talk from a real nigga, been at the bottom, food stamps, and roaches, sharing a bed as a child, with ya cousin that keeps pissin in it, knowing what it's like to see kids in new shit, and your coat is hand me down. Eating fuckin Kings Vitamins, and making powdered milk for dinner. Knowing this, and where some of these "pros" come from, and having dreamed the "American Dream" as a child, I don't like pros using steroids, but when you got 3 years left on your contract, you gotta make that last 10 million, your body gotta last, and ain't no REAL 9 to 5 waitin for you in the afterlife ( to the pros, being out of pro sports is the afterlife), I guess I understand why they do it, why they take steriods. It's like you're good enough, but not quite, so to ensure your place in greatness, you trade the later years for the right now. It's real. We switchin subjects right now, because you touched on some serious shit, real niggas, from real ghettos, don't wanna go back, ain't never looked back, and will fuckin die tryin, before they go back. Man fuck the hood, the hood was fucked up, and slummed out. I'm so fuckin glad to be away from that shit. Athletes take roids, because they can't see nothing but the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, black athletes normally have more to their story than whites, but there are some poor white trash white boys who'd tell you the same shit. Hope I didn't sound too crazy, but you really brought back the past just by asking a question about roids. I know a guy, in the NFL, cried like a baby when he told me he was addicted to roids. All he could talk about was his mother, and her luekemia, his wife and children, and how he had to play two more years to make good on getting his pention. He cried because he was in so much fuckin pain after games. I had some tears too. Man was gonna lose everything. He took roids, and he's still playin today. Plays for the ?????????? yeah half the league takes roids, real shit, a real world we live in !

[Dirty Hubcaps]

here's a flowchart i copped off of bb forums that helped me decide whats what

http://i22.tinypic.com/107kyoj.png


cam, before i get at you lemme give you props first for starting these topics. its always good to bounce ideas back & forth with other good brothers. with that being said....


ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR SOME DAMN VITAMINS?!? :angry: are you out of your mind? how much riboflavin do you actually need in your life?!? all you doing spending $100 is making sure you have expensive azz piss. vitamins are meant to help cover up any deficiencies in your diet. personally i use this these days


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/319ZP1DX8HL._SS500_.jpg

this shyt is 11 pills a pack, 7 shotgun shell size pills & 3 tablets. been taking it for close to 2 months & im happy with it. havent gotten any colds recently, just feel good all around

[Dirty Hubcaps]

oh yeah, i wont even cop a bottle of water at gnc if i can help it at the prices they charge


bodybuilding.com kills gnc in prices

dpsnutrition kills both of them

[phillyphilly]

oh yeah, i wont even cop a bottle of water at gnc if i can help it at the prices they charge


bodybuilding.com kills gnc in prices

dpsnutrition kills both of them


I will have to look into this site.

[phillyphilly]

I am a huge runner, so I wonder if Animal Pak will work for me?

[ibm2006]

I guess a lot of what we see here depends upon what you want to do. Part of the problem that exists in sports medicine is that people are often not engaging in the right type of athletics for their body type or are doing it for the wrong reasons. Since this is a psychological issue, there's little we can do about that.

Secondary to that is the physical consideration. I don't know about many of these products, so I will not speak on them. Now, if you want to operate at peak conditioning, while ensuring that there are no long-term side effects I recommend nutritional supplements. As a rule of thumb, 90% of the stuff you can pull off a shelf in a mall is trash. I would say 100%, but these stores do sell good books. In the practice where I've worked for the past two years, we've noticed a steady decline in the performance of American atheletes - due largely to diet. Truth is - we don't get real food in America anymore. Almost everything is processed.

So, foreign atheletes are becoming more competitive - not that they're better talent, but they eat real food. For example, there are a number of things in the vitamin C complex. Health stores sell you ascorbic acid, but that's just one active component in vitamin C. Again, they've processed for profits at the expense of the consumer. So, watch out. The body needs organic medicine, because it is a living, breathing thing. All genuine replacement parts for the human body will come from the earth. Using that as a rule of thumb, I think you'll be more successful.

[Izayoi]

Great thread! Ibm2006 makes some good points. As a nutrition professional I really advocate whole foods above all else BUT I do supplement also because it is very difficult for me to get all the protein I need from food to lean bulk without adding too many extra calories. Moderation in everything I suppose.

Vitamins for the most part will just give the average person without deficiencies colorful urine, but I'm on the fence about their value for people that workout hard and long. Problem is most of the nutrition guidelines are based on the "average" person- including a large pool of sedentary or light active people. I feel like the requirements for people that go hard most days of the week are not adequately covered in most research.

For those of you wanting a math formula for how many calories you should eat,look up the estimated energy requirements formula which takes into account physical activity (still has an error range of 200 -300 calories). If I find a good link for an online cal, I will post it.

[untouchable212]

Good thread, i'll just add my 2 cents, Alot of people forget to take Glutamine, this is a very, very important supplement needed for recovery. Without the propery recovery you will not have any gains.

[lights out]

i'm using a supplement that increases the body's production of HGH, totally legal and legit. faster recovery, and general better health.

It's expensive $100/months supply and is through a MLM (I get it for nothing now plus make a couple 100 a month)

If you want more info PM me

[Electric Relaxation]

I'm gonna cop that N.O. Explode.

[dicblack]

good thread
thx

[SYDNEYSTREETZ]

that no explode is no joke before playing ball son...my white t be wet after i get done running 5 full courts...

[nyeleman]

ANY reviews on CLA (conjugated linoleic acid)

[KINGBOA]

This is a very good thread and brothers definitely need to peep it. Now to add my two cents. I have been working out for years and have taken virtually every supplement on the market. I have gotten big and lean but in the end, changing my workout plan to simple calesthenics, my body looks much better and feel much stronger. I take absolutely nothing, but I eat right and get plenty of rest, plenty of water, and run 20 miles a week. Hell, I barely touch the weights and only use them for my chest and legs. Keep it simple and stop wasting your money and these crappy supplements. The supplement industry is a booming business and it is mainly because people buy into the bullshit they are selling. If you notice, in most hoods, the cats that workout in the park have some of the best physiques. Think about it.

[Dirty Hubcaps]

.......in most hoods, the cats that workout in the park have some of the best physiques. Think about it.


what, the "i just came home from up north" niccas? yeah we got them around here, in the park doing nothing but pullups, pushups, chinups & dips then do absolutely NOTHING for legs. niccas walking around looking like johnny bravo with skinny azz calves yet diesel upper bodies :lol:. nah, im good doing it how i do. its 2007 & im gonna use everything available to me to improve my physique whether it be machines, freeweights, supplements, whatever

[ScorpDiesel]

CLA - helps the body to prevent fat storage.

But on a serious note, all that shit the other dudes are talkin' about is fine n good for general good health. But if you want increased size, strength, endurance & speed, steroids are what the pros use. Always have blood work done once a month by a sports doctor to monitor the HPTA (Hypothalamus, Pituitary, Testicular Axis), blood pressure, liver values, etc.

Here's some pros & cons:

-----------Pros ---------------------Cons

GH---------Increase # of muscle cells-------Water retention
Deca-------Increased strength---------------Water retention, Acne, aromatized to Estrogen
D'bol------Fast increase in strength--------liver toxic
Test-------Builds strength------------------Aromatizes to Estrogen
Tren-------Builds solid muscle/strength-----Increased aggression
T3---------Improved metabolism--------------Could damage thyroid if abused
Clen-------Best fat burner------------------Gitters
Winny------mild version of D'bol------------liver toxic
Insulin----Increased nutrient absorption----Could become hypoglycemic & die if abused


*******DISCLAIMER********************
I do not condone the use of steroids nor do I use them.

[KINGBOA]

Dog, do what you gotta do. Blow that doe if it's burning a whole in your pocket. I see dudes like you in the gym all the time. Lifting every weight in the gym and taking every supplement out there and they still never build any muscle nor lean out. I have been in this long enough to know that those type of suppements are very much overated and you can get all the vitamins you need from a good balanced diet. Keep it simple. This shit ain't rocket science.

[SYDNEYSTREETZ]

LOL....This is getting out of hand...

Can we get a real expert to really lay shyt straight?

[Dirty Hubcaps]

Dog, do what you gotta do. Blow that doe if it's burning a whole in your pocket. I see dudes like you in the gym all the time. Lifting every weight in the gym and taking every supplement out there and they still never build any muscle nor lean out. I have been in this long enough to know that those type of suppements are very much overated and you can get all the vitamins you need from a good balanced diet. Keep it simple. This shit ain't rocket science.


well, i do agree with you on one thing, it isnt rocket science, its anatomy & physiology and every year there's more and more research done and more things you can take advantage from. if you wanna do it like arnold did in the 70's & drink 2 gallons of whole milk & eat raw egg yolks more power to you my dude. i aint on it like that. and you got me fukked up if you take me for some beach muscle azz nicca who just lifting weights to lift em. but eh, whatever




CLA - helps the body to prevent fat storage.

But on a serious note, all that shit the other dudes are talkin' about is fine n good for general good health. But if you want increased size, strength, endurance & speed, steroids are what the pros use. Always have blood work done once a month by a sports doctor to monitor the HPTA (Hypothalamus, Pituitary, Testicular Axis), blood pressure, liver values, etc.

Here's some pros & cons:

-----------Pros ---------------------Cons

GH---------Increase # of muscle cells-------Water retention
Deca-------Increased strength---------------Water retention, Acne, aromatized to Estrogen
D'bol------Fast increase in strength--------liver toxic
Test-------Builds strength------------------Aromatizes to Estrogen
Tren-------Builds solid muscle/strength-----Increased aggression
T3---------Improved metabolism--------------Could damage thyroid if abused
Clen-------Best fat burner------------------Gitters
Winny------mild version of D'bol------------liver toxic
Insulin----Increased nutrient absorption----Could become hypoglycemic & die if abused


*******DISCLAIMER********************
I do not condone the use of steroids nor do I use them.


LOL at the disclaimer at the end. my dude

[oatsuzn]

Here's some pros & cons:

-----------Pros ---------------------Cons

GH---------Increase # of muscle cells-------Water retention
Deca-------Increased strength---------------Water retention, Acne, aromatized to Estrogen
D'bol------Fast increase in strength--------liver toxic
Test-------Builds strength------------------Aromatizes to Estrogen
Tren-------Builds solid muscle/strength-----Increased aggression
T3---------Improved metabolism--------------Could damage thyroid if abused
Clen-------Best fat burner------------------Gitters
Winny------mild version of D'bol------------liver toxic
Insulin----Increased nutrient absorption----Could become hypoglycemic & die if abused

The water retention with deca isn't really a con. Deca is known to 'oil the joints' due to how it pulls water into the connecting tissues. It actual helps you. Estrogen aromatization is not always a con too bro. You actually want some estrogen aromatization because it helps with anabolism, check it out. Dbol is probably the worst with estrogen aromatization because the water retention will literally make you blow up like a ballon, but it kicks in within like 2 days of using it! That's why you take it at the beginning of a much larger cycle of other steroids to kick start gains.

Insulin in my opinion shouldnt even be considered. Need close doctor supervision for that one. Not worth the risk.

[KINGBOA]

well, i do agree with you on one thing, it isnt rocket science, its anatomy & physiology and every year there's more and more research done and more things you can take advantage from. if you wanna do it like arnold did in the 70's & drink 2 gallons of whole milk & eat raw egg yolks more power to you my dude. i aint on it like that. and you got me fukked up if you take me for some beach muscle azz nicca who just lifting weights to lift em. but eh, whatever







LOL at the disclaimer at the end. my dude

Dog, by all means, you can take my word for a grain of salt. If you can point me to this "new research" that can get you the same results, by all means take advantage of it and maybe I will too. My point is to many people put there faith into these " new ground breaking products" and they are a bunch of shit. Simple formula, new ground breaking research+Ronnie coleman to advertise= waste of $59.99. All I am saying is that don't be sold on the hype. I am talking from a man who is aleady there.

[Jack Spade]

I guess a lot of what we see here depends upon what you want to do. Part of the problem that exists in sports medicine is that people are often not engaging in the right type of athletics for their body type or are doing it for the wrong reasons. Since this is a psychological issue, there's little we can do about that.

Secondary to that is the physical consideration. I don't know about many of these products, so I will not speak on them. Now, if you want to operate at peak conditioning, while ensuring that there are no long-term side effects I recommend nutritional supplements. As a rule of thumb, 90% of the stuff you can pull off a shelf in a mall is trash. I would say 100%, but these stores do sell good books. In the practice where I've worked for the past two years, we've noticed a steady decline in the performance of American atheletes - due largely to diet. Truth is - we don't get real food in America anymore. Almost everything is processed.

So, foreign atheletes are becoming more competitive - not that they're better talent, but they eat real food. For example, there are a number of things in the vitamin C complex. Health stores sell you ascorbic acid, but that's just one active component in vitamin C. Again, they've processed for profits at the expense of the consumer. So, watch out. The body needs organic medicine, because it is a living, breathing thing. All genuine replacement parts for the human body will come from the earth. Using that as a rule of thumb, I think you'll be more successful.


Quoted for Truth. Quite frankly I just take a little protein powder and that's it. I want to eventually get away from that altogether and just go natural. My best potna almost died taking that no xplode shit.

I know a herbalist that makes organic vitamins so I hit him up when I need some.

[Electric Relaxation]

LOL....This is getting out of hand...

Can we get a real expert to really lay shyt straight?

:smh: For real, fights breaking out and shit...:lol: :smh:

[Dirty Hubcaps]

Dog, by all means, you can take my word for a grain of salt. If you can point me to this "new research" that can get you the same results, by all means take advantage of it and maybe I will too. My point is to many people put there faith into these " new ground breaking products" and they are a bunch of shit. Simple formula, new ground breaking research+Ronnie coleman to advertise= waste of $59.99. All I am saying is that don't be sold on the hype. I am talking from a man who is aleady there.


all right, we got some common ground. whenever dudes are in a convo about working out & the topic turns to supplements, first thing i ask em' is what theyre eating & how much. my homeboy asking me how much i paid for my jar of NO Shotgun and im just looking at him like, "you rather pay $40 for some nitric oxide but you wont pay $15 for some steak?" so i agree there, you can take creatine to your hearts content, but you gotta have your diet down first. truth to me, the diet is the hardest part of it. you can discipline yourself to work out the same time every week, you have to sleep anyway so thats easy, but the actual eating the right things is the toughest part to me

[KINGBOA]

all right, we got some common ground. whenever dudes are in a convo about working out & the topic turns to supplements, first thing i ask em' is what theyre eating & how much. my homeboy asking me how much i paid for my jar of NO Shotgun and im just looking at him like, "you rather pay $40 for some nitric oxide but you wont pay $15 for some steak?" so i agree there, you can take creatine to your hearts content, but you gotta have your diet down first. truth to me, the diet is the hardest part of it. you can discipline yourself to work out the same time every week, you have to sleep anyway so thats easy, but the actual eating the right things is the toughest part to me

I get asked alot of questions daily from people at the gym, work, wherever about working out and I tell them it is real simple. Although alot of people may not like it, you have to stay very consistent in your diet. My first thing is what is your priority? If you want to get in shape, then you have to be willing to make a sacrifice. You have to be willing to go to the gym(if that is your means of exercise) when you don't want too. You have to be willing to sometimes eat tasteless food. I made a promise to myself years ago, to get in shape and have the best physique I can possibly get. I have stuck to that commitment and haven't looked back since.I eat just about the same thing everyday because I know how much calories are in a serving and also they contain enough protein for me to meet my objectives. Bro, it's all about priorities, once you determine that, then everything else(discipline, etc )will fall into place.

[cameo]

I get asked alot of questions daily from people at the gym, work, wherever about working out and I tell them it is real simple. Although alot of people may not like it, you have to stay very consistent in your diet. My first thing is what is your priority? If you want to get in shape, then you have to be willing to make a sacrifice. You have to be willing to go to the gym(if that is your means of exercise) when you don't want too. You have to be willing to sometimes eat tasteless food. I made a promise to myself years ago, to get in shape and have the best physique I can possibly get. I have stuck to that commitment and haven't looked back since.I eat just about the same thing everyday because I know how much calories are in a serving and also they contain enough protein for me to meet my objectives. Bro, it's all about priorities, once you determine that, then everything else(discipline, etc )will fall into place.

thank you. It is called a "lifestyle". Working out is a part of my life. How I shop at the grocery store, what I eat when i eat out, my schedule and my life revolve around fitness. It is what I DO. I eat fish,chicken, turkey, veggies, oatmeal, healthy foods, THAT'S WHAT I DO. Do I cheat, of course i do, but I'm conditioned to eat like that all the time. Protein shakes and vitamins are extras, like I said at the beginning, supplements are AN ADDITION TO, an addition to the healthy life style you should already have. The thread was about "what works", and what does not. You don't need supplements, but I use them, in addition to eating very healthy, and working out 5 times a week. Cardio is a staple for me. I run at least 10-12 miles a week, I do boxing three times a week, I swim almost every fuckin day. I have scarificed alot to be like this. Plus, it's just me, no wife, no children, which I know that a healthy lifestyle gets hard with kids. I live it, bottomline, there is NO MAGIC PILL !

[KINGBOA]

thank you. It is called a "lifestyle". Working out is a part of my life. How I shop at the grocery store, what I eat when i eat out, my schedule and my life revolve around fitness. It is what I DO. I eat fish,chicken, turkey, veggies, oatmeal, healthy foods, THAT'S WHAT I DO. Do I cheat, of course i do, but I'm conditioned to eat like that all the time. Protein shakes and vitamins are extras, like I said at the beginning, supplements are AN ADDITION TO, an addition to the healthy life style you should already have. The thread was about "what works", and what does not. You don't need supplements, but I use them, in addition to eating very healthy, and working out 5 times a week. Cardio is a staple for me. I run at least 10-12 miles a week, I do boxing three times a week, I swim almost every fuckin day. I have scarificed alot to be like this. Plus, it's just me, no wife, no children, which I know that a healthy lifestyle gets hard with kids. I live it, bottomline, there is NO MAGIC PILL !

Amen Brother!!

[Electric Relaxation]

I get asked alot of questions daily from people at the gym, work, wherever about working out and I tell them it is real simple. Although alot of people may not like it, you have to stay very consistent in your diet. My first thing is what is your priority? If you want to get in shape, then you have to be willing to make a sacrifice. You have to be willing to go to the gym(if that is your means of exercise) when you don't want too. You have to be willing to sometimes eat tasteless food. I made a promise to myself years ago, to get in shape and have the best physique I can possibly get. I have stuck to that commitment and haven't looked back since.I eat just about the same thing everyday because I know how much calories are in a serving and also they contain enough protein for me to meet my objectives. Bro, it's all about priorities, once you determine that, then everything else(discipline, etc )will fall into place.

This is great advice.

I'll be the first to admit--my diet is shitty--guess I need to get that straight before I start using supplements. :( :rolleyes: What are the some of the major "must have" foods? Post a something like a grocery list, or what you would eat through the course of a regular day.

[GRIPS]

:cool:

[Zatoichi]

Cool Ass Thread Bump To The Top

[Amajorfucup]

This is a very good thread and brothers definitely need to peep it. Now to add my two cents. I have been working out for years and have taken virtually every supplement on the market. I have gotten big and lean but in the end, changing my workout plan to simple calesthenics, my body looks much better and feel much stronger. I take absolutely nothing, but I eat right and get plenty of rest, plenty of water, and run 20 miles a week. Hell, I barely touch the weights and only use them for my chest and legs. Keep it simple and stop wasting your money and these crappy supplements. The supplement industry is a booming business and it is mainly because people buy into the bullshit they are selling. If you notice, in most hoods, the cats that workout in the park have some of the best physiques. Think about it.
My experience in life has been very similar and i totally agree with you. The fact of the matter is most of those supplements simply dont work, atleast not to the extent that they are advertised, and they can also get extremely expensive. Ive been working out for nearly a decade and have tried it all. My best results have come after giving up on most of the "supplements", adopting a mostly natural and healthy diet, exercising regularly (using mostly calesthenics & little if any freeweights) and running 4miles a day. I would suggest creating and sticking to a set strict vitiman packed diet and workout schedule, if you feel as though you must must take a supplement, take a multi vitamin and use protien shakes for muscle growth and recovery four or five days out of the week.

[^SpiderMan^]

Dog, do what you gotta do. Blow that doe if it's burning a whole in your pocket. I see dudes like you in the gym all the time. Lifting every weight in the gym and taking every supplement out there and they still never build any muscle nor lean out. I have been in this long enough to know that those type of suppements are very much overated and you can get all the vitamins you need from a good balanced diet. Keep it simple. This shit ain't rocket science.

Genetics play a huge part in "getting swole".Ex cons are usually in horrible physical shape but just "look" muscular.I workout for athletic performance.I train MMA and Brazilian juijitsu with multiple professionals some of whom are known.All of them at least take protein, a multivitamin, and fish oil.Ive taken a grip of suppliments and the ones I named have given me the best results.I used to take muscle milk religiously but switched to optimum becuse its protein is more bioavailable(protien isolate),its cheaper, and muscle milk has an ingredient that is said to cause cancer(google it).

[dreadhead]

anyone out there have some advice to gain weight? i been skinny as a mofo all my life like i'm talkin 120-130 lbs...i been told i just have a fast metabolism but this shit is whack...i need to bulk up a bit...i heard creatine, whey powder and constant eating...is this true?
help!

[King of Kingz]

Use my supplement stack, WATCH how that shit works. I got my protein, my creatine, my caffeine, everything you need in one deal. If your money is tight, use GNC MEGA MEN SPORT PACKS. I always praise GNC, because their company will not carry a product unless it has been tested by their labs first. GNC is my place.

And you will pay every single dime for all that testing. By the way, you don't think its weird that GNC primarily endorses it's own products as the best above everyone else they carry. GNC is a corporate company out to make a buck at your expense. They charge on average, 20% more than any other place I personally know that sells supplements. GNC is the place for you, oh well enjoy!!

[King of Kingz]

This is a very good thread and brothers definitely need to peep it. Now to add my two cents. I have been working out for years and have taken virtually every supplement on the market. I have gotten big and lean but in the end, changing my workout plan to simple calesthenics, my body looks much better and feel much stronger. I take absolutely nothing, but I eat right and get plenty of rest, plenty of water, and run 20 miles a week. Hell, I barely touch the weights and only use them for my chest and legs. Keep it simple and stop wasting your money and these crappy supplements. The supplement industry is a booming business and it is mainly because people buy into the bullshit they are selling. If you notice, in most hoods, the cats that workout in the park have some of the best physiques. Think about it.

My man, good point. My site focuses on nothing but bodyweight workouts. Check me out and my blog.................


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[King of Kingz]

anyone out there have some advice to gain weight? i been skinny as a mofo all my life like i'm talkin 120-130 lbs...i been told i just have a fast metabolism but this shit is whack...i need to bulk up a bit...i heard creatine, whey powder and constant eating...is this true?
help!

Just eat, but eat good square meals. One thing I would say to you is that everyone is not suppose to be big. If you have an african or an ethiopian build, this is you. Everyone isn't made to lift 300 pounds, you may never lift this much. But with very little training you could probably run 30+ miles, which no weightlifters can do. See my point?

[Txgntlman]

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eat foods high in protein such as: salmon, tuna fish, skinless boneless chicken breast.

Snack on fruits and peanuts. Supplement with flaxseed oil and multivitamins.

Be cautious of a lot of these supplements because they aren't truly governed by the FDA some of the ingredients aren't listed on the label.

If it is banned by pro sports I wouldn't advise using it.

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Works great but banned by the NFL

[Gemma]

A lot of good info posted.

I need to get a free weight bench for the house and get serious about lifting. :yes:

[jiggylo09]

It sounds like ur just a Spokesperson for CytoSport


Mega Men Multi Vitamin is good enough with a work out! a $100 dollars a month for vitamns what them shits block HIV!

[King of Kingz]

It sounds like ur just a Spokesperson for CytoSport


Mega Men Multi Vitamin is good enough with a work out! a $100 dollars a month for vitamns what them shits block HIV!

First off, to the thread starter, you could be accredited G.O.D. association of fitness, if you endorse muscle milk as the best protein, you are sadly mistaken. It is the equivalent to eating a cheeseburger after a workout. Oh you'll gain weight. There are a ton of protein on the market that work, the key is to find the one right for you. If ANYONE says that one protein is the best for everyone, they are salesman or a fool.

Second, who here is willing to pay $1200 yearly ($100 a month) for vitamins?


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[1900KiLLa]

I'm not gonna argue. I know what the pro's drink. Musclemilk is not designed to make you fat, it is not equal to eating a cheeseburger. When used correctly ( BEFORE A WORKOUT, AFTER A WORKOUT, OR BEFORE BED), it is the most beneficial protein on the market. It digest in your system for up to 8 hrs. If you mix it, in water, that's about 350 cals. I use a vitamin made by Malalueca. It's the top of the line. It has an AM and PM packet, in the correct USP (United States Pharmacopia) format. I like the FAST TWITCH because it works better than the NO-EXPLODE product. I'm only trying to help. I always suggest Musclemilk because of taste and content. It's high in BCAA's, and glutamine. Drinking two musclemilk a day is not going to hurt you, if you are eating the correct ratios of food. I can use Musclemilk to gain weight by mixing it in 2% milk, or I use water when I am maintaining weight, or dropping weight. Fat burners are dangerous. Word to the wise, stop fucking with alot of caffeine, you are slowly killing yourself, fucking with the rhythm of your heart. The product I use has 200mg of caffeine, that's the only time you should be using caffeine is during a workout, for a boost. I've read these fat burners, READ NIGGA, there are items in these fat burners that you have never heard of, the shit kills people. The bottomline is this, YOUR DIET is the missing link, I been preaching that since day one. NO GREESE, NO FAST FOOD, CARDIO, WEIGHTS, WATER, GOOD LIVING, THE WHOLE NINE. I suggest that all of you visit a nutritionalist, and find out how many calories you can have a day, per your weight. I eat over 3,000 cals a day, check me out :

7 am-3 egg omelet ( I use egg beaters), onions, bell peppers, tomatos, turkey ham, low fat cheese, two slices of wheat toast, two glasses of tropicana pure, am vitamin pack

9-9:30-snack on almonds, yogurt, apple slices

12-two pieces of grilled talipia, steamed veggies, 20 oz water

2 pm - 16oz of water and ice, frozen strawberries, banana, two scoops of musclemilk vanilla

3 pm - one scoop fast twitch, workout for 1hr 20 minutes

THIS IS CRITICAL
5 pm - 16 OZ low fat chocolate milk, 6 inch subway turkey & ham, apple , PM VITAMIN PACK

7 PM - two grilled turkey patties, sweet potato yams, wheat bread, water ( two glasses of lemonade crystal light)

9-9:30 IF I WANT A PROTEIN SHAKE, i'LL HAVE ONE, IF NOT, OREO'S AND SKIM MILK ( JUST NOT EVERY NIGHT :))

I'm eating right now, cashews, and crystal light. I don't diet, I have a life style. MAN, tomorrow i'm eating fried chicken, potatos, greens, cake, pie, goin to my momma's house. I cheat, but here's the key, you gotta eat right MORE, than you eat wrong !


This sounds to me like your a regular guy who decided to be brolic... This diet may not work for the type of people interested in this thread.. ie; the young chubbies in training.. If your overweight and dont have a good muscle base this diet will do little more then have you lookin like jared from subway.. While i truly do respect ya regimen I think you need to disclaimer this as not necessarily the diet for a fat nigga lookin to go Curtis..

As far as Ncaa endorsing Muscle Milk they will endorse Martinez and crack if the price is right... The fat in muscle milk while its good fat is stil entirely too much for something thats supposed to be good for you.. Its evident by the fact that they had to come out with muscle milke lite.. I gotta go finish a report but we gonna keep this thread goin... in closing.. ISOPURE.. Natures Best is #1

[KINGBOA]

This is great advice.

I'll be the first to admit--my diet is shitty--guess I need to get that straight before I start using supplements. :( :rolleyes: What are the some of the major "must have" foods? Post a something like a grocery list, or what you would eat through the course of a regular day.

To be honest with you, I'm like Cameo and don't really have a diet. What I eat is not crazy and easy enough to stay consistant with. For breakfast, I will have egg whites and turkey bacon on whole wheat bread toasted. For lunch, I will have a salad with chicken or a turkey sandwich with whole toast. For dinner, I will have stir fry chicken(pam) with brown rice or salad. I know in essence you are supposed to eat six meals to speed up your metabolism but doing calesthenics, I manage to not really need to do that. Really, it all depends on your goals. If you want to put on size, you will need to eat like Cameo does but maybe with a little more calories added. I just want to stay lean and muscular and not really put on anymore muscle for the next two years.

P.S. Chicken, Salad, Brown Rice, should always be on your grocery list.

[KINGBOA]

Genetics play a huge part in "getting swole".Ex cons are usually in horrible physical shape but just "look" muscular.I workout for athletic performance.I train MMA and Brazilian juijitsu with multiple professionals some of whom are known.All of them at least take protein, a multivitamin, and fish oil.Ive taken a grip of suppliments and the ones I named have given me the best results.I used to take muscle milk religiously but switched to optimum becuse its protein is more bioavailable(protien isolate),its cheaper, and muscle milk has an ingredient that is said to cause cancer(google it).

You are absolutely right about genetics playing a big part in getting swole but how do you "look" swole and not be it? Also, how do you know ex-cons are in horrible shape? Have you been to prison before? Another thing is not all people who workout in the park are ex-cons. Some people either go to the park for convenience or don't have acess to bally's or NYSC. I actually prefer the park although I have a membership to NYSC. First, I like to workout outdoors, I get a better pump improvising(sp?) and it is just a whole different vibe. The whole supplement thing I won't touch on anymore because I still think that 85% of it is still trash.

[KINGBOA]

My man, good point. My site focuses on nothing but bodyweight workouts. Check me out and my blog.................





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I'm going to check your blog out dog. Ain't nothing like Calesthenics man. I love them shits so much I dam near don't lift wieghts anymore except for chest and legs.

[femmenoire]

I am a big fan of BSN and VPX products myself.

No-Xplode or No-Shotgun pre workout.

I am going to start taking BSN's Atro-Phex which I believe is a replacement for a product they used to have called Betalin. That product was way better than Hydroxycut or Lipo6.

[KINGBOA]

My experience in life has been very similar and i totally agree with you. The fact of the matter is most of those supplements simply dont work, atleast not to the extent that they are advertised, and they can also get extremely expensive. Ive been working out for nearly a decade and have tried it all. My best results have come after giving up on most of the "supplements", adopting a mostly natural and healthy diet, exercising regularly (using mostly calesthenics & little if any freeweights) and running 4miles a day. I would suggest creating and sticking to a set strict vitiman packed diet and workout schedule, if you feel as though you must must take a supplement, take a multi vitamin and use protien shakes for muscle growth and recovery four or five days out of the week.

Dog, what I highlighted is exaclty my program and my body looks better than ever. Keep up the good work man.

[Electric Relaxation]

To be honest with you, I'm like Cameo and don't really have a diet. What I eat is not crazy and easy enough to stay consistant with. For breakfast, I will have egg whites and turkey bacon on whole wheat bread toasted. For lunch, I will have a salad with chicken or a turkey sandwich with whole toast. For dinner, I will have stir fry chicken(pam) with brown rice or salad. I know in essence you are supposed to eat six meals to speed up your metabolism but doing calesthenics, I manage to not really need to do that. Really, it all depends on your goals. If you want to put on size, you will need to eat like Cameo does but maybe with a little more calories added. I just want to stay lean and muscular and not really put on anymore muscle for the next two years.

P.S. Chicken, Salad, Brown Rice, should always be on your grocery list.

Thanks man--that's exactly what I was looking for. I'm 5'11", currently 205, about 15-16% bodyfat. I'd like to get to about 185, 10% or less bodyfat. I really just want to be lean and muscular--I don't want to bulk up .

[Izayoi]

I train MMA and Brazilian juijitsu with multiple professionals some of whom are known.All of them at least take protein, a multivitamin, and fish oil.Ive taken a grip of suppliments and the ones I named have given me the best results.

:yes: That's my plan as well. Nice blog King.

[^SpiderMan^]

You are absolutely right about genetics playing a big part in getting swole but how do you "look" swole and not be it? Also, how do you know ex-cons are in horrible shape? Have you been to prison before? Another thing is not all people who workout in the park are ex-cons. Some people either go to the park for convenience or don't have acess to bally's or NYSC. I actually prefer the park although I have a membership to NYSC. First, I like to workout outdoors, I get a better pump improvising(sp?) and it is just a whole different vibe. The whole supplement thing I won't touch on anymore because I still think that 85% of it is still trash.

I think i missworded some of that.I meant some people are big and look muscular but actually not that strong at all.Ive never been to prison but have relatives that are always in and out and I used to work out at a gym where a grip of ex cons all work out together.I have a membership to 24 hr fitness but never work out there.I work out at a small gym where people take working out seriously and not there to prance and chitchat.

[cameo]

No, I am not a spokesman for Musclemilk, no I am not an average guy. I am at an advantage. I have never been fat, I've always been involved in sports ( football, track, hoops). I've played college football, I was trained by a very good strength and conditioning coach, and it became a part of me. I was blessed to have God given genetics, and this is the life I've always been around. See, there is a big difference in certain men, some men like to workout, I LOVE TOO ! I've been lifting weights since I was 14. I've been doing sit-ups for 21 years. It's a part of me. Body weight excersises, great shit dog, I'll do as many pull-ups, push-ups, sit-ups, dips, as ANY nigga on the street. I still do em. I'm 5'10, 228 lbs. I'm built like a football player, always have been. What I try and get across to everyone, is if you are going to use a supplement, I tried to point you in a direction of what works. Cytosport supplements are pretty good, that's my choice. Anybody that reads my post knows, diet is my #1 shit. Man, the food really sucks sometimes, chicken breast, brown rice, veggies and water, everyday :puke:but I decided 10 years ago, NO LOVE HANDLES, NO GUT. Lastly, I've said this over and over again. If you want that BOMB-ASS SEX, if you wanna fuck her like never before, I dare you to get in shape, I DARE YOU TO TRY, instead of making excuses, for those of you that do. WHATEVER YOU DO, STICK WITH IT !

[KINGBOA]

I think i missworded some of that.I meant some people are big and look muscular but actually not that strong at all.Ive never been to prison but have relatives that are always in and out and I used to work out at a gym where a grip of ex cons all work out together.I have a membership to 24 hr fitness but never work out there.I work out at a small gym where people take working out seriously and not there to prance and chitchat.

You don't have to be strong to get a muscular physique. Strong is for powerlifters, strongman contest contestants. Some peoples' goal is to get a muscular physique and you don't have to be able to bench 600 pounds to achieve it. A muscular physique is created through hypertrophy in which lifting the correct amount of wieght and not over extending yourself is created. Have you seen the guy that some one posted whom set the bench pressing world record? He was'nt muscular at all and looked pretty out of shape if you ask me. Now take some pro bodybuilders who absolutely cannot lift that amount of weight but have some of the best physiques in the world. Dog, I'm really trying to understand where you are coming from because I still don't understand what one has to do with the other.

[Electric Relaxation]

Got some N.O. Explode and Optimum Whey Protein from Bodybuilding.com...:yes:

Got some chicken breasts, yogurt, bananas, tilapia, bottled water...:yes:

Ate some fuckin' chocolate chip cookies...:angry:

(I'm trying though.) :lol: :dance:

[King of Kingz]

:yes: That's my plan as well. Nice blog King.

Thank you, hope everyone here takes a look. For us by us you know.............



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[SYDNEYSTREETZ]

ok my dumb ass went to sport authority and copped a bench and some weights now what....lol


normally i work out wit my brothers at the fire house but most of them ninjaz done transfer


a nucca like was all city bball bak in the day now im alot more bulky and husky then i use to be but can still push the rock but i do want to get bak to the shape i was bak in high school

[lights out]

i'm using a supplement that increases the body's production of HGH, totally legal and legit. faster recovery, and general better health.

It's expensive $100/months supply and is through a MLM (I get it for nothing now plus make a couple 100 a month)

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[Prolific_Omega]

I used to be 260 now I am down to about 220 with about 15 percent body fat I started out with muscle milk, multi mineral multi vitamin, green tea capsule, and b-complex. That shit worked then when I hit that plateau that everyone hits when there body stops responding as well I added a key ingredient: Vitamin C. 1000mg Vitamin C before cardio has been proven to help the body oxidize fat better. I started to see results again and as for the weight training I have been keeping with it. As for protein that Probolic 12 hour muscle feeder is the truth but I use that in conjunction with muscle milk. So in the morning after cardio I use Probolic, before workout and after muscle milk then for bed probolic shit works trust me. Hope this info helps contribute to an already great thread.
P.S. Muscular development is paramount to working out and fitness pick a copy up and be amazed by all the potent info in their pages every month. Peace!

[deshaunNyc]

A lot of good information posted in this thread.
Thanks for sharing.

[Complex]

I am a big fan of BSN and VPX products myself.

No-Xplode or No-Shotgun pre workout.

I am going to start taking BSN's Atro-Phex which I believe is a replacement for a product they used to have called Betalin. That product was way better than Hydroxycut or Lipo6.

You have to cycle on and off, and after a couple of weeks they have no effect. I'm not sure if they're good products for women either.

[femmenoire]

You have to cycle on and off, and after a couple of weeks they have no effect. I'm not sure if they're good products for women either.


Yeah I know. Generally after 90 days, it does nothing for me. The Atro-Phex is BSN's new version of Betalin which I used before they took it off the market. That worked better than Hydroxycut, Lipo6, Ripped Fuel, and Redline.

[stlroddddd]

I like to keep it simple with the sups but concentrate more on my diet and workout regimen.

Here is an automated spreadsheet to track your fitness progress.

1. All daily progress is keyed on a single page, no more jumping back and forth.
2. You type in your weight in the morning, click 1 button, and a new daily menu is created, dated, and all of your caloric/fat/carb/protien goals for the day are filled in automatically!
3. All of your foods are available in pull down menus.
4. Exercise tracking is also available via pull down menus.
5. No more cut-n-paste. Keeping track of everything now literaly takes a few seconds each day.

http://www.adif.us/files/sample%20month.gif

The spreadsheet contains macros and has been tested and confirmed to work under:
-----Windows:
Excel 2003
Excel 2000
-----Linux:
Gnumeric

It has been confirmed NOT to work under:
-----Linux:
Open Office
-----Mac:
MacOffice 2004 on MacOS 10.x

Here is the spreedsheet.
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5896&d=1113324658

[deshaunNyc]

I like to keep it simple with the sups but concentrate more on my diet and workout regimen.

Here is an automated spreadsheet to track your fitness progress.

1. All daily progress is keyed on a single page, no more jumping back and forth.
2. You type in your weight in the morning, click 1 button, and a new daily menu is created, dated, and all of your caloric/fat/carb/protien goals for the day are filled in automatically!
3. All of your foods are available in pull down menus.
4. Exercise tracking is also available via pull down menus.
5. No more cut-n-paste. Keeping track of everything now literaly takes a few seconds each day.

http://www.adif.us/files/sample%20month.gif

The spreadsheet contains macros and has been tested and confirmed to work under:
-----Windows:
Excel 2003
Excel 2000
-----Linux:
Gnumeric

It has been confirmed NOT to work under:
-----Linux:
Open Office
-----Mac:
MacOffice 2004 on MacOS 10.x

Here is the spreedsheet.
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5896&d=1113324658

Thank you Sir.

[King of Kingz]

I like to keep it simple with the sups but concentrate more on my diet and workout regimen.

Here is an automated spreadsheet to track your fitness progress.

1. All daily progress is keyed on a single page, no more jumping back and forth.
2. You type in your weight in the morning, click 1 button, and a new daily menu is created, dated, and all of your caloric/fat/carb/protien goals for the day are filled in automatically!
3. All of your foods are available in pull down menus.
4. Exercise tracking is also available via pull down menus.
5. No more cut-n-paste. Keeping track of everything now literaly takes a few seconds each day.

http://www.adif.us/files/sample%20month.gif

The spreadsheet contains macros and has been tested and confirmed to work under:
-----Windows:
Excel 2003
Excel 2000
-----Linux:
Gnumeric

It has been confirmed NOT to work under:
-----Linux:
Open Office
-----Mac:
MacOffice 2004 on MacOS 10.x

Here is the spreedsheet.
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5896&d=1113324658


This is really helpful because I'm a vegetarian, but maybe you should post one for those that aren't.




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[LeftyLuchini]

that no explode is no joke before playing ball son...my white t be wet after i get done running 5 full courts...

doent hydroycut hardcore have the same effect?




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[checkmatemsu]

What do you use the weeks after you cycle of NO XPLODE:confused: I have been seeing gains and don't want to drop off.

[big pimp]

NO-Xplode is great, but it must be cycled like everyone has said. What I have done is cycled it with other creatine/volumizers, like Green Magnitude. Another very good product.

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green magnitude is good it work's for me.
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