It's been a busy day bruh,, sorry for the late response. Let me get one thing out of the way... the reason I'm even having this back and forth with you is because I know you're a brother. Sometimes I go overboard in my responses but I've never really seen you as some Bumbay Da Cracka type dude. Even when you're dead wrong lmao.... Remember that NYC cost of living thread?
Having said that... we have different standards and definitely a different understanding of what even a basic sense of morality entails. For whatever reason, your sense of what's right and wrong is tied to literally the worst possible yardstick (namely, white supremacy). So for you, the logical outcome of this mentality is to insist that if we're mistreated so should "they".
The reference I made to black babies and alligators was obviously hyperbolic. The whole point was that for someone who's frame of moral reference is so narrow... ultimately you will go along with whatever bullshit policies State actors enact as long as the folks being affected aren't your "kind".
Ofc, the irony of being focused on "laws" and process as a black man will be lost on you given that there isn't any kind of moral center or standards to anchor to. I'm gonna be frank bruh because my sense from your posts is that you value frankness. If you were ok with these kids being detained at these rates due to a manufactured crisis by this reality show buffoon you have a lot of soul searching to do and it's best you log off for a while.
Family Unknown A (lives in an abandoned building) are citizens, consist of one adult male,one female and child no other family members. They happened to be arrested for trespassing....
Now correct me if I'm wrong- Family is arrested, formally charged and f
or what ever reason given no bail/bond or can't make bail (no community ties,no money). Family services called because no next of kin (etc)....Family is separated (horrible situation all around)-yet law, until court hearings and dispositions
Family Unknown B (attempts to cross any port of entry illegally) non citizens, one adult male,one female and child no other family members. They happened to be arrested for Illegal entry...
Again correct me if I'm wrong- family is arrested, formally charged and perhaps given no bail/bond (no community ties/lack of proper identification/etc).... HERES WHERE IT GETS TOUCHY what happens to the child?...should this unit be housed as one until court hearing/disposition?
Now both examples involve destitute families, both heart wrenching, should one be given preferential treatment over the other? or should they be treated the same?
My point is, they are equal and should be treated equal, unless we want to have the discussion of changing the over all system. Right now there exists a mechanism for children who's parents become incarcerated, follow that blueprint(increase funding,better planning,improve optics,shit like that)....
Yet the assumed difference in families is probably little things such is verification of identification, flight risk, determining next of kin,etc, Family B might not have identification, might not be a family....This nuisances are generally sorted out during the Legal immigration process are they not?
Now do i feel sympathy towards the plight, yes...The same way i sympathize with the families that have been ripped apart at the hands of the criminal system/family system. Is one family more dangerous than the other? does one pose a greater risk to society? I don't know perhaps...My view is place them both thru the system, if no bond is issued, treat each family the same..Have your day in court and then go bout your business... Now if Family B is ultimately deported, I mean it is what it is...Reunify the family from their respective housing units and deport...If family A is found not guilty, They have to go thru the process of Reunifying their family and going about they business (probably with ACS oversight though)
That being said, if you gave me a scale and one side was illegal immigrant rights and the other was the black struggle, you can rest assure it wouldn't balance..
Frankly, IMOP the crisis is manufactured and is being utilized to play with emotions and divide/distract...Because in my eyes Unknown Family A and Unknown family B both fucked up and got involved with the system. And the system is just that
IMOP-I wish we would be this vocal in regards to issues which have/had a direct impact on our community....Far as i know, the Black community doesn't have an Illegal Immigration Problem. These policies are not the ones i fear for my children. Remember Stop and Frisk for those who lived thru NYC 90-2000's and how the really hit home..Shit like that id so much rather dispute about, because with those discussions we might see change....
In closing views might be similar to a Black Nationalist (because like it or not my fam been here since at least 1835) not a White Supremacist.
