2025 Chicago Bears Off Season Thread
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Josh McCown is who they're talking about. He's been with a lot of teams so probably knows a lot of people. But going from position coach to HC is quite the leap.
Gervon Dexter's play has been on par with Jalen Carter and he was drafted in the 3rd round while Carter was a Top 10 pick. And that's with Carter having the benefit of better teammates on the D-line and a more aggressive defensive coach in Vic Fangioand it's not on Poles according to some of you
Jalen Carter > Darnell Wright
This was interesting though
New Braxton Jones And Darnell Wright Stat Makes Waldron Look Even Worse
You wouldn't guess at first, but Braxton Jones and Darnell Wright may have more beef with Shane Waldron than anybody.www.sportsmockery.com
You would have thought this was Waldron's first job
Carter is probably going to be a pro bowl player. He grades out 8 points higher than Dexter. You hear his name called, because he affects the game and run defense.
Their line improvement was because of him, they didn't have a good defense last year
Our run defense has gone down without Brisker and Billings who isn't even a great run defender.
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He had a couple of throws that fooled that cameraman and made me think they were interceptions
For all the QBs that have been drafted by the Bears how many have started from Game 1 as rookies?
Well Jordan Davis is a great run defender and he's on the line with Carter along with former double digit sack players Bryce Huff and Brandon Graham as well as Nolan Smith amongst others.
And let's not that at the time that he was drafted he had the reckless driving issue that involved people dying. There were also reports of his bad practice habits and conditioning that was questionable because he couldn't even finish his pro day workout.
Philly was the best situation for Carter to go to due to having teammates and friends that he was comfortable with there along with accomplished vets to keep him in line and put him on the right path. You see Eberflus getting him in line or any vets at the time to do similar? They can't even get Tyrique in line!
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The game one part doesn't matter. It's only 2,000 yards. We've also drafted numerous first round QB's in the past 30 years.
This is the same franchise that has never had a 4,000 yard passer.
Harbaugh didn't start and the team typically turns to rookies a few weeks into the season when all is lost. McMahon may have had the record but his rookie year was the strike season.
Hopefully Caleb will clear that 4,000 uard barrier.
Dude, we've drafted seven first round QB's
Mitch and Justin just in the past five-six years.
You don't have to defend everything Bears, especially when there isn't a reason too.
When have I defended everything Bears? Was I doing it when I criticized Waldron or said that Eberflus should be fired now and Thomas Brown made the interim coach?
My bad for recognizing that Ryan Poles has done some good and not all bad and my bad for remembering the circumstances around Jalen Carter and not trusting this team to develop him correctly as I stated earlier. Apparently you missed that since, according to you, I defend the Bears about everything!!
And actually we've drafted more than 7 1st round QBs. Problem is that many came way back in the day like Sid Luckman. And the most recent ones didn't play as rookies. McMahon, Caleb, Justin and Mitch played as rookies and the team didn't intend on Justin and Mitch doing so. Rex didn't become the guy until his 4th year, Harbaugh was similar.
The other problem is this. Why can't we be like Seattle and SF and develop and WIN with qb's acquired after round one. In the last 45 years most of the Seahawks and Niners best qb's have been anywhere from 2nd round to UDFA's. Their 1st rounders have been ass-most worse than the Bears-McGwire, Mirer, Druckenmiller, Lance. Alex Smith being the exception. The Bears don't develop qb's. They think either drafting a guy in round one or trading a 1st round pick for one is the only route to go.
They've drafted eight first round QB's is in the past 75 years. Modern times where we could have a lot more than 2,000 yards and 11 touchdowns. Jim McMahon, Jim Harbaugh, Rex Grossman, Mitch, Justin. Rex couldn't even win the starting job to play really until his fourth year. Justin played in 12 and started 10. Mitch started 12. Mitch got about 2100. That's high school numbers in 2025.
They've also had 20 starting QB's in the past 16 years, and 35 since 1985. Nobody has 4,000 yards.
What has Poles done good besides the trade to Carolina that makes up a fuckin second round for Claypool, not addressing the O line, drafting Velus and not firing Eberflus? Meanwhile Pittsburgh is drafting a future pro bowl player at center in the second round. Go through his draft picks.
2022: Kyler Gordon, Jaquan Brisker, Velus Jones Jr., Braxton Jones, Dominique Robinson, Zachary Thomas, Trestan Ebner, Doug Kramer, Ja'Tyre Carter, Elijah Hicks and Trenton Gill. Kyler and Jaquan are starters when healthy. Braxton isn't a starting left tackle, maybe another position. Hicks is a solid depth piece.
2023: Darnell Wright, Gervon Dexter Sr., Tyrique Stevenson, Zacch Pickens, Roschon Johnson, Tyler Scott, Noah Sewell, Terell Smith, Travis Bell and Kendall Williamson. Right not Dexter is the best one.
So, it looks like three solid starters and people who will get a second contract. He's done great drafting DB, but that's about it. Question marks for Tyrique and Darnell, they've seemed to have regressed from solid rookie years.
The Steelers got a third and two sevenths for Kenny Pickett and a fourth. We got a sixth for Justin and us hoping Russ gets injured or they sit him for two or three games to get a fourth. Trey Lance got a fourth, no asterisk.
Truly some tallest midget type shit.
You said that as if the trade with Carolina wasn't significant. He got a haul which we never get. Usually we're the ones on the wrong side of deals involving picks like trading 2 1sts for Rick Mirer or giving up way too much to move up 1 spot for Trubisky. Terrell Smith has been solid when he plays. Wright has regressed though this time last year we weren't worried about him for the most part. And again, I said weeks ago that Chris Morgan should have been fired but I support everything that the Bears do. The team entered that 1st draft with 4 or 5 picks and ended up with more than double that and we got Braxton Jones in the 5th. And let's not forget that Sweat has to be counted as a part of the draft as well.
What does Zach Frazier have to do with the Bears since you keep bringing him up? It's not like the Bears passed him. Hell they recently used a 1st round pick on a LT named Broderick Jones. He's not playing particularly well. They also drafted a QB in the 1st round a couple years back and he's not with the team anymore. Teams get some right and some wrong. The talent on the Bears is better than it was before Poles got there and the salary cap situation is alot better as well.
2022: Even without a first round pick, Poles drafted three starters. Braxton Jones is worthy of a second contract. He would look much better if he wasn't dealing with an idiot for an OC for much of his career. I'm not going to justify VJJ. That was a miss.
2023: Darnell Wright was a solid pick. You just posted an article that said Waldron was putting Wright and Jones on islands without help. Tough to put the performance of the tackles on the players when you consider just how bad Waldron was. Stevenson and Johnson are both solid. Stevenson needs better coaching and Johnson was not getting the play calls he should've under Waldron. Smith is a good depth piece as well. Fair to say that Gervon is looking good, but you also have to consider the silly shit Waldron was doing with Wright and Jones.
The trade to Pittsburgh was Poles doing what was best for Fields and acknowledging that Fields was drafted into a shitty situation. He sent him to a good franchise. The thing is that once bad habits are ingrained and not corrected with good coaching, after a certain amount of time, they are probably there for good. The Bears fucked up with the way they did Fields. I'm not even a Cubs fan, but the mofo had to be part Shawn Dunston to take snaps. Then consider the crappy receivers besides DJ and Kemet he had.
Poles does need to address both lines. After coaching, the talent on both lines needs to be addressed. The Bears are missing another pass rusher and depth at DT. Another safety is a need as well. A starting center and another guard is needed on the offensive line. I hate to think that the Bears would force the cover 2 on another HC but it's been before. The HC should decide what system he wants to run on offense and defense.
Poles restocked the cupboard with talent. You also didn't mention signing Edmonds and Edwards. He didn't resign Jaylen Johnson during the season last year but he was smart enough to resign him in the off-season. He resigned Kemet. Even if Jenkins was resigned, there needs to be depth behind him because he's injury prone. I think that we have depth players starting but the team is only a handful of players and a good HC away from being a contender for the playoffs.
The Bears problems can be addressed this off-season and I'd be surprised if they weren't. The bargain bin shopping for starting talent needs to come to an end.
You made and make some good points but I'm not ready to give up on Poles. He has held onto Flus too long. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Pace got four years, Poles deserves at least that much. Plus Poles gave Williams talent his first year. The offensive center should have been better addressed last off season.
Lessons have been learned as frustrating as it is for us to watch as fans. Poles isn't mortgaging the future to win now (like Pace). He also isn't afraid to (most likely) force the HC hand and cut bait with a truly reprehensible hire in Waldron. Luckily Brown has the offense looking respectable, but in true Bears fashion, now the defense looks average at best.
Flus is a dead man walking, Brown needs a courtesy interview and the lines need more talent.
I keep bringing up Zach Fraizer, because Poles has barely addressed the offensive line and we were in desperate need for a center and he could have traded up
It's what good franchises do. Not use band aids in Shelton and Bates. They don't draft projects who were injured their last year of college in the third.The trade with Carolina was common sense to anyone who wasn't devoted to Justin, but then he turned around and messed it up by keeping Flus. You were supposed to get a new coach and QB. He's displayed too much loyalty to people who didn't deserve it, Nate Davis, Velus and Flus.
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key word "projects". We don't have a strong enough coaching staff to develop projects. See Velus Jones and to a lesser extent, WR Tyler Scott. 0 catches in 11 games. Dafuq?I keep bringing up Zach Fraizer, because Poles has barely addressed the offensive line and we were in desperate need for a center and he could have traded up
Definitely. He's done at the end of the year, but even so it's time to let Washington call the Defense on game day allowing Flus to be the whole HC. Nothing to lose at this point, but can gain some efficiency in-game.
This didn't age well at all. Scott has been invisible. Possibly through no fault of his own.
