8-1 or not, the Celtics are overrated

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8-1 or not, the Celtics are overrated

By Steve Greenberg - SportingNews

Steve Greenberg
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If you're from Boston, where the sky is always blue, the chowder is fresher than anywhere, you can't walk to the corner bar without finding a $20 on the street and your favorite sports teams never, ever lose, chances are you have a fairly bloated opinion about just how good the Celtics are.

Yes, Sean Deveney, I'm talking about you. Last week, my friend Sean's NBA power poll had the Celtics at the top of the heap, which is understandable given their then 7-0 record (now 8-1), the Patriots' then 9-0 start (now 10-0) and the Red Sox's World Series win.

Except those other teams haven't had anything to do with the Celtics' performance.

No, the C's stand on their own. And despite the halfway decent play of Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins, Eddie House and James Posey, the team's Big Three -- Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen -- still, predictably, stand too much on their own. At least when compared with, say, the Spurs' Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, or the Suns' Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion.

You see, folks, those Big Threes -- who are every bit as talented and potent as the trio in Boston -- simply have better supporting casts around them.

To me, the balance of power is as heavily in favor of the Western Conference as ever. Even Sean has eight West teams in his top 10. I don't know for sure which team I think is best. I lean toward the Suns, but I would be extremely confident in either the Suns or the Spurs to outclass and completely wear out the Celtics in a seven-game series.

For that matter, I think the Mavericks are at least the Celtics' equals, and the deep, talented Jazz and the full-strength Rockets might be as well.

I stop before including the Nuggets because, as good as they look, there's still a ton of time left for them to implode.

Here's a thought: I wonder if Kobe Bryant could shoot down the Celtics in a long series if Lamar Odom played well and all those Lakers big guys -- Kwame Brown, Ronny Turiaf, Andrew Bynum, Chris Mihm -- took turns making Garnett earn every inch in the paint. Honestly, I don't see why it couldn't happen.

I'm really looking forward to Friday night's Celtics-Lakers game in Boston. Bryant is better, hands down, than Garnett, Pierce or Allen, and he and LeBron James (who gets the C's in Cleveland on Nov. 27) are probably the only players in the league who could dare try to match the Big Three shot for shot in a fourth quarter and possibly get away with it. You just know Kobe wants that notch on his belt.

And I just know the Celtics are overrated right now. They're the best in a bad Eastern Conference, that's all. And sure as the Red Sox outclassed the Rockies, the C's will be outclassed by a West power -- if they wind up making it that far.

Steve Greenberg is a staff writer for Sporting News. You can e-mail him at sgreenberg@sportingnews.com.



Some of these sports writers must love to say shit for shock value or really love to hear (or in this case see) themselves talk.
 

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I'm really looking forward to Friday night's Celtics-Lakers game in Boston. Bryant is better, hands down, than Garnett, Pierce or Allen, and he and LeBron James (who gets the C's in Cleveland on Nov. 27) are probably the only players in the league who could dare try to match the Big Three shot for shot in a fourth quarter and possibly get away with it. You just know Kobe wants that notch on his belt.

Some of these sports writers must love to say shit for shock value or really love to hear (or in this case see) themselves talk.

:lol:

i guess this dumb fuck is wishing he had waited until after the bucks v. fakers game tonight before handing in this story.

poor bastard claiming tobe is "hands down" better than kevin garnett, paul pierce and ray allen, but couldn't outplay michael redd.

silly trick.

:smh:

as far as his "story" goes, it's just meant to generate some water cooler talk. individually, players are just now getting into playing shape. actually, they'll just be hitting stride come december, by my estimation.

barring more major injuries, realistic impressions of teams as a whole can't be made until everything shakes out around christmas or new year's anyway. miami, new jersey, clippers, hornets to name just a few.
 

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:lol:

i guess this dumb fuck is wishing he had waited until after the bucks v. fakers game tonight before handing in this story.

poor bastard claiming tobe is "hands down" better than kevin garnett, paul pierce and ray allen, but couldn't outplay michael redd.

silly trick.

:smh:

as far as his "story" goes, it's just meant to generate some water cooler talk. individually, players are just now getting into playing shape. actually, they'll just be hitting stride come december, by my estimation.

barring more major injuries, realistic impressions of teams as a whole can't be made until everything shakes out around christmas or new year's anyway. miami, new jersey, clippers, hornets to name just a few.

Peace,

I don't like Kobe either but even I have to admit that this is just what some of my people refer to as hatin'. Just because Kobe's Lakers lost to Redd's Bucks doesn't mean that he's not better than Redd, Garnett, Pierce and Allen. I think it's safe to say that he is - and KG is my favorite player.

Your last point, about not having realistic impressions of teams until Xmas, is valid though.
 

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Uh
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, I aint bout to read all that bullshit.
But wait till they play teams with winning records to judge them.
 

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The greatest strength of the celtics is the unselfishness between their 3 star players. None of them can be classified as chuckers who only care about their own 20 points. Add a good, young, energetic, impressionable PG like Rondo

Pirece and Allen also have a very good understanding of the game. On the defensive side, Garnett's presence changes things. He may play like a SF on offense, but he definitely is a big man on defense



on a side note: funny how no one mentions of the shit going on between Ainge and McHale. Look for McHale to be fired in the future and hired by Ainge. Because he damn sure should get the credit for bringing prosperity back to Boston
 

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The greatest strength of the celtics is the unselfishness between their 3 star players. None of them can be classified as chuckers who only care about their own 20 points. Add a good, young, energetic, impressionable PG like Rondo

Pirece and Allen also have a very good understanding of the game. On the defensive side, Garnett's presence changes things. He may play like a SF on offense, but he definitely is a big man on defense



on a side note: funny how no one mentions of the shit going on between Ainge and McHale. Look for McHale to be fired in the future and hired by Ainge. Because he damn sure should get the credit for bringing prosperity back to Boston

Peace,

Boston cats sure as hell noticed. A few of my friends from Beantown to began to officially refer to McHale as Santa Claus. They said that cat hasn't officially retired from the Celtics.
 

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They have no depth on the bench and their big man is a liability. I give him credit for KNOWING that he is a liability and is continuing to work on his game, but honestly, their record is good because their early schedule was so easy.
 

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Steve Greenberg said:
Here's a thought: I wonder if Kobe Bryant could shoot down the Celtics in a long series if Lamar Odom played well and all those Lakers big guys -- Kwame Brown, Ronny Turiaf, Andrew Bynum, Chris Mihm -- took turns making Garnett earn every inch in the paint. Honestly, I don't see why it couldn't happen.

I'm really looking forward to Friday night's Celtics-Lakers game in Boston. Bryant is better, hands down, than Garnett, Pierce or Allen, and he and LeBron James (who gets the C's in Cleveland on Nov. 27) are probably the only players in the league who could dare try to match the Big Three shot for shot in a fourth quarter and possibly get away with it. You just know Kobe wants that notch on his belt.

:smh: Anyone see the game tonight? Based on the result, it looks like the writer got his money's worth. :rolleyes:
 

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:smh: Anyone see the game tonight? Based on the result, it looks like the writer got his money's worth. :rolleyes:

i don't know about you, but my hatin' ass was awestruck.

the games best player brought his own "shock and awwwww" campaign to the celtics.

i couldn't believe how he put the fakers on his back and kept them in the game in Q1. :rolleyes:

and i would've sworn it was 2 of him on the floor at the same time in Q2 when he took over. :rolleyes:

all i can say is that the celtics were damn lucky he took it easy on 'em tonight, because if he had really wanted to, he could've blown 'em out by hisself.

:cool:

1 FGA in Q2?

:lol:

the exemplar of heart and professionalism.
 

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8-1 or not, the Celtics are overrated

I got home and peeped the standings on NBA.com and the mothafuckin Celtics are 18-2 :eek:

Haven't looked at their schedule but they have already played 11 home games and are only 4-2 vs. the West but I'm interested to see how this plays out.

All in all, that's a ridiculous start. The '95-'96 Bulls started out 23-2.

**EDIT** Looking at their schedule for the rest of the month, the only games I see them having trouble are @ Toronto, home vs. Detroit, home vs. Orlando, and @ Utah.

Even if they drop 2 of those, they can finish 2007 at 25-4 which is very impressive for a 29 game start. Props to the big 3 and Coach Rivers.

Also saw in the box that, "Big Baby" Davis went to work tonight with 16-9 in his first start.
 
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Keep in mind that KG's T-Wolves have had hot starts before and faded. Even though I believe Paul Pierce and Doc will prevent that from happening here
 

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I got home and peeped the standings on NBA.com and the mothafuckin Celtics are 18-2 :eek:

Haven't looked at their schedule but they have already played 11 home games and are only 4-2 vs. the West but I'm interested to see how this plays out.

All in all, that's a ridiculous start. The '95-'96 Bulls started out 23-2.

**EDIT** Looking at their schedule for the rest of the month, the only games I see them having trouble are @ Toronto, home vs. Detroit, home vs. Orlando, and @ Utah.

Even if they drop 2 of those, they can finish 2007 at 25-4 which is very impressive for a 29 game start. Props to the big 3 and Coach Rivers.

Also saw in the box that, "Big Baby" Davis went to work tonight with 16-9 in his first start.

They didn't lose against the West. they only lost to Orlando and Cleveland.

That being said, they have not taken an extended road trip out west yet. All they have been doing is beating the shot out of their division.
 

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They didn't lose against the West. they only lost to Orlando and Cleveland.

That being said, they have not taken an extended road trip out west yet. All they have been doing is beating the shot out of their division.

Yeah, what I meant was 4-0 against the West.

Their fast start after 20 is still impressive but like Orlando, they'll come back down to reality by the All-Star break.
 

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If Allen, KG and Pierce can stay healthy who's their comp? They arent overrated. But I dont think its a given they could put down a healthy detroit
 

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Chauncey outplayed him when it counted.

agreed.

i hate to say it, but i think coach rivers got out-coached again tonight. he left rondo out on an island in the 2nd half, and chauncey billups went to work.

chauncey billups got to pick and choose his spots, and he's WAY too good of a scorer to be allowed that kind of freedom.

coach rivers literally didn't know what to do, made no substantial adjustments, and the pistons came from behind, took the lead, and then survived the celtics rally.
 

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agreed.

i hate to say it, but i think coach rivers got out-coached again tonight. he left rondo out on an island in the 2nd half, and chauncey billups went to work.

chauncey billups got to pick and choose his spots, and he's WAY too good of a scorer to be allowed that kind of freedom.

coach rivers literally didn't know what to do, made no substantial adjustments, and the pistons came from behind, took the lead, and then survived the celtics rally.

I'm watching the 4th qt now and was wondering why Rivers let Rajon get abused by Billups. He should have had Allen in to guard him down the stretch.

Why don't the Celtics have a backup PG to help with their 2nd year starter? House can't run a team.

Allen and House made the big buckets in the 4th. Final score should have been 87-84 as they gave Walter Ray a 3 with his foot clearly on the line.

20-3 now but I imagine it has to be the most misleading .870 start in NBA history.
 

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agreed.

i hate to say it, but i think coach rivers got out-coached again tonight. he left rondo out on an island in the 2nd half, and chauncey billups went to work.

chauncey billups got to pick and choose his spots, and he's WAY too good of a scorer to be allowed that kind of freedom.

coach rivers literally didn't know what to do, made no substantial adjustments, and the pistons came from behind, took the lead, and then survived the celtics rally.

Like I said the two positions that they are weakest in are the two that are the hardest to replace. THe C's also don't have a quality backup and they have no viable pieces to trade for.

I would see what the Clips would offer for Cassell. He is a defensive liability in the open court, but he has a nice mid-range jumper and a high basketball IQ.

But mark my words..there are 5 high profile PGs that will be free agents in the summer..and they're paying attention to Boston.
 

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Payton Wants To Join Celtics
December 21, 2007 - 6:26 am
Boston Globe -
Ex-Celtics' point guard Gary Payton watched on television from his Las Vegas home Wednesday night as his former team lost to the Pistons. And once Chauncey Billups hit the winning free throws with a tenth of a second remaining, Payton called his agent.

"He called me and said, 'Hey, I'm reminding you that the Celtics are a team I feel like I can help,' " said agent Aaron Goodwin.

The Celtics have been pleased with the play of second-year point guard Rajon Rondo. But there has been a feeling that Boston still needs a veteran backup at the position.

Coach Doc Rivers said the Celtics "would be in trouble" if Rondo got hurt, but he also likes his roster. Rivers said he hasn't talked to anyone in Celtics' management about Payton. Goodwin said that while he has talked to Danny Ainge several times about Payton, the Celtics' basketball boss hasn't shown strong interest. Other available veteran free agent point guards include Earl Boykins and Keith McLeod.

"I like my team, and I would kind of like to play this a little bit longer and see where we go," said Rivers. "Clearly [Wednesday] night, when Rajon was off the floor it changed the game. But we have ways of correcting that. If not, then maybe. But right now we'll just let this team play it out a little bit more."

"We're not panicking. Having said that, we're aware of it; there is no doubt about it. I'm just going to coach the ones now, and we'll worry about the other stuff later."
 

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Travis Best Wants To Join Boston
December 22, 2007 - 1:58 pm
Boston Globe -
Massachusetts' own Travis Best would love to come home from overseas to help out the Celtics.

The ex-NBA player, now playing in Italy for Virtus Pallacanestro Bologna, said yesterday he would be interested in a backup point guard role for Boston.

Best's comments come a day after ex-Celtic Gary Payton's agent said his client would be interested in the job. The Celtics currently have two roster spots open.

"I'd be happy to contribute to that situation in any way," Best said. "I'd like to help the team win. I'd make the situation better. I've been to the [NBA] Finals. I know what it takes. I know how to contribute in a veteran way."
 

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Interesting test for Boston today when they play the Lakers.

With that beat down handed out to the lakers, looks like the Celtics passed that test with flying colors :roflmao:

I was almost certain to expect Wobe to single-handidly shoot them down himself. Too bad it was the wrong team. :rolleyes:
 

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I was almost certain to expect Wobe to single-handidly shoot them down himself. Too bad it was the wrong team. :rolleyes:

so much for the "mature" version of tobe. tobe 2.0 is supposed to be more of a team player and playmaker.

but with tobe having more MISSED fgas than other starters have TOTAL fgas, things are back to normal.
 

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With that beat down handed out to the lakers, looks like the Celtics passed that test with flying colors :roflmao:

I was almost certain to expect Wobe to single-handidly shoot them down himself. Too bad it was the wrong team. :rolleyes:


I don't understand why they didn't go to Bynum more.
 

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so much for the "mature" version of tobe. tobe 2.0 is supposed to be more of a team player and playmaker.

but with tobe having more MISSED fgas than other starters have TOTAL fgas, things are back to normal.

this surprised me as well (Don't say it...I know it shouldn't have)

Notice none of the fanboys on the main board have commented.

They play sooo well as a team of late.(Lakers)

Did Ray Allen's presence give Kobe a point to prove???
 

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Did Ray Allen's presence give Kobe a point to prove???

SP,

take a look at the fakers' losses. it isn't a coincidence that the fakers have lost FIVE of those games in matchups where tobe is headlined against the opponent's marquee scorer.

michael redd
ray allen (twice)
vince carter
lebron james

the poor boy can't keep his emotions in check. i will take this opportunity to point out also that those players all play for eastern teams.

on the other hand, only THREE wins come against opponents with "marquee" scorers.

tracy mcgrady (left game injured :D)
allen iverson (twice)

i will take this opportunity to point out also that those players both play for WORSTern teams.
 

SpiritualPorn

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SP,

take a look at the fakers' losses. it isn't a coincidence that the fakers have lost FIVE of those games in matchups where tobe is headlined against the opponent's marquee scorer.

michael redd
ray allen (twice)
vince carter
lebron james

the poor boy can't keep his emotions in check. i will take this opportunity to point out also that those players all play for eastern teams.

on the other hand, only THREE wins come against opponents with "marquee" scorers.

tracy mcgrady (left game injured :D)
allen iverson (twice)

i will take this opportunity to point out also that those players both play for WORSTern teams.

Good points as usual...

Hope they don't go under 500....Kobe will be back to Upchuck for real


What was up with that Lamar Odom flagrant
 

cranrab

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Good points as usual...

Hope they don't go under 500....Kobe will be back to Upchuck for real

coach jackson observed the EXACT same thing and said so after the bucks win:

"I think Redd got Kobe a little bit distracted out there," Jackson said. "He didn't play as much of a team game as I'd like to have seen him play.

coach winter is his usual broken record:

"He's playing a scattered game," Winter said. "He's taking shots he shouldn't be taking and passing up shots he should be taking."
 
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