Most Zionists are European. Their trades weren’t learned, practiced and refined in Jerusalem. They were done across Europe.
Real Jews are from the Middle East who are not Zionists.
Bibi Netanyahu come to Washington & left with greenlight/assurance to start war with Lebanon/Hezbollah. Israel started bombing Lebanon
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Real Jews are from the Middle East who are not Zionists.
Of course Zionists are European....duh.
So you understand what’s being said then. Great.
Again, I am against the state of Israel and Zionism in all forms.
As you should be and as all of us are. Just don’t think that this started yesterday with Bibi clogging up traffic on Pennsylvania Ave for 3 days..
Him and his people (Zionists) started this long before this country ever came into effect. They’re not here for “freedom, democracy, liberty..” or any other that patriotic bullshit these media outlets peddle.
They’re here for the money.
Yours and my hard earned tax dollars at work.
He’s mostly correct but what he fails to mention is that Zionists were in fact in high political power during the inception of Britain’s imperialism.
The Zionist tactics that flourished throughout much of Europe by this point, and their return coincides to near perfection with the birth of British imperialism, in the late 1500’s and early 1600’s.
Working their magic behind the scenes, they were allowed re-entry in Britain from Holland, Portugal, Spain, etc.. places where their money management and skills were the standard. Their power lies in being the puppet masters behind the scenes, working and controlling by proxy.
The USA is the current example.
Ask yourself why all of them are magicians and why they’re obsessed with deception.
Again, you're confusing Zionism with being Jewish. Zionism did not exist in the 1500s or the 1600s.
There’s zero confusion here. Today, you can separate the two. Back then, they were more or less the same thing, spawned from the same cloth. One may have come later but the idea, the ethos, the practices and many of the people, were the same.
Modern Zionism piggybacks on authentic Jews simply to lay claim on the Middle East, but since its inception, that ethos has been kicked out of country after country for Millenia. You’ll have to lose the granular literalness of it all to see the grandest picture of all.
Yes, there is confusion on your part, you are conflating Judaism and Zionism so we are not having the same discussion. You're the one thinking Zionism has been around since the 1500 and 1600s.
Again, you have to remove the literal granularness from it to comprehend. Their ethos is the same whether you harp on the semantics or not.
It's not semantics at all, Theodor Herzl created the Zionist Movement in the late nineteenth century and they had their first Zionism conference in 1897 in Basel, Switzerland. Those are not semantics, those are facts.
Those are definitely the facts, but that’s not the point. Sometimes you have to look beyond the facts because those can be inaccurate as well. Google isn’t the end all be all life determining factor. These stats only paint half a picture.
That Zionist idea didn’t spawn because he was an African, A China man, an Arab.. it spawned because he was a Jew.
So you want me to ignore facts? I couldn't have an honest discussion with you if facts weren't involved, if not fact then what are we supposed to base this discussion on? Huh?
as for what you said:
"That Zionist idea didn’t spawn because he was an African, A China man, an Arab.. it spawned because he was a Jew."
That really doesn't mean anything, because most of Jewish establishment during that time were against Theodor Herzl & his Zionist ideas.
Correct, they were and many were also for a Jewish homeland after persecution.
How exactly did that pan out?
Shall we ask a Palestinian?
Better yet, shall we ask an American?
Man, what are you talking about? My point is that you were conflating Zionism and Judaism, I was stating that there is a difference. Now you want to spew random stuff.
Lol you got it man. There’s nothing random about any of it. You’re stuck on the word “Israel” and not seeing the entire history behind that word and can’t move past it cause Google says it was created in the 1930’s or whatever by Theodor Herzl. And as I’ve clarified, while factual, there’s a far greater and much more important context of facts about these people that you’re failing to see. Unfortunately, you’re not gonna understand that context with a such a microscopic and literal lens on this situation.
The initial point however remains, that this group of people have long since owned this country (and others) and will continue to feed the masses Democrat v Republican values, while they collect checks from both sides and these average US citizens will eat it up in November.
When you pull out and see it for what is, we can circle back. If not, I appreciate the exchange either way. Stay blessed.
Bibi really had to tell them stop clapping lmao
They know who runs this country
You're excuse for not learning about Zionism is that I have a microscopic lens, whatever dude. You just don't want to read & learn so you have to accuse me of being too hyper-focused. Alllrighty then.
Make it make sense.
Yeah, I peeped that....lol. That was crazy.
Fam, I minored in Jewish and Israeli studies. I’ve sat with Rabbi’s and Jewish scholars, going in depth on all of this. I’ve also mentioned on this forum before that I’m very close to a former US cabinet member of Jewish/Israeli decent. There’s nothing here you’re going to teach me as what you have posted is already well known. I also didn’t disagree with you or any clips or pieces you posted either, did I? I simply added beyond the basic context given to paint the entire picture.
They are factual but you have to look past the box score. Many times, the final score, doesn’t reflect the full game that was played. That was a sports analogy for reference.
Fam, it doesn't matter what you minored and majored in if you don't know the difference between Zionism and Judaism. & I'm not trying to teach you anything, because I assumed I thought you knew there was a difference between the two until I realized you had no clue. Man, you literally thought Zionism existed in the 1500 and 1600s and now you claim to have a Jewish studies degree.
Make it Make sense!
It sounds like you're making excuses at this point.
You cats don't realize that Bibi is the king of false flags.
Not only has he armed and bankrolled Hamas to keep a 2 state solution from happening and to allow Israel to play victim to terrorists.
He also is intent on widening the conflicts in the Middle East to help Trump get back to the white house.
He is a corrupt criminal and has lost standing not only in Isreal but all over the world including here.
He needs to cause fear at home that will allow him to remain in power and trump will play an important part of that if he gets re-elected
Don't overlook Bibi having missiles shot at his own people
Not only has he armed and bankrolled Hamas to keep a 2 state solution from happening and to allow Israel to play victim to terrorists.
He also is intent on widening the conflicts in the Middle East to help Trump get back to the white house.
He is a corrupt criminal and has lost standing not only in Isreal but all over the world including here.
He needs to cause fear at home that will allow him to remain in power and trump will play an important part of that if he gets re-elected
Don't overlook Bibi having missiles shot at his own people
The facts are written right there. Read back through and look at the context. I didn’t say anything that was false.
Yeah, Zionism being created in the 1500/1600s were facts to you?
Full context, was that what was said? Quote it if so and don’t leave anything out.
Bro, I already quoted it in our discussion. smdh.
And contextually it was explained.
Again, the Zionism was created by Theodor Herzl created the Zionist Movement in the late nineteenth century, what about that don't you understand, Mr. Jewish Studies degree?
You're saying that most obvious things....., this conversation is exhausting. What, you wanted him to be Mormon?
Of course not. And yes it is. You simply fail to understand that at one point in time. the words “Jewish” and “Zionism” went hand in hand, which is why a majority of the world, to this very day, struggle with that distinction. I honestly don’t blame you because everyone is stuck on that and it needs to be pointed out that those are two different things and even Jews amongst themselves are torn on this notion because Zionism was not founded by anyone else but Jews. The same Jews that honed and mastered their skills and trade in Europe, not current day Palestine, centuries before Theodore Herzl was a twinkle in his daddy’s eye. Those same Jews that helped facilitate British Imperialism. The same Jews that are documented as slave and boat owners during the Trans Atlantic slave trade. Many of those same Jews became Zionists.
All of this is stated.
For the 900th time, the context will ALWAYS matter.
But if it’s easier, feel free to stick to those quick Google facts as gold. Everyone else does.