Changes at ESPN: No more morning Sportscenter, no more Mike & Mike?

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ESPN mulls moving Mike Greenberg from Mike & Mike to own morning TV show

One of the longest-running partnerships in sports radio could come to an end in the not-so-distant future.

SI.com has learned that ESPN executives are exploring moving Mike Greenberg—one half of the long-running Mike & Mike radio show on ESPN Radio—into a new role as the lead host of a television show that would air between 6–10 a.m on ESPN. The new show would potentially have elements of SportsCenter—which currently airs at that time—as well as a traditional morning show. Such a move would put an end to end to Greenberg’s on-air partnership with Mike Golic, which began in October 1998. Mike & Mike currently airs weekdays on ESPN Radio from 6–10 a.m. ET and is simulcast on ESPN2.

An ESPN spokesman declined comment on Wednesday morning.

It’s important to note these are exploratory talks. No decision is final yet, as ESPN management has been discussing different scenarios to reengineer its morning SportsCentershow. The current early morning SportsCenter group has faced significant ratings challenges this year, through no fault of the talent on set. Consumer choices are heavy in the morning, including sport-specific shows such as NFL Network’s Good Morning Football, a newcomer that has drawn 100,000-plus viewers per show. Such talks regarding Greenberg and other scenarios for ESPN and ESPN2 between the hours of 6–10 a.m. ET are happening because ESPN management has undergone significant changes in the last few months in the programming and production department. With former executive vice president of production and programming John Wildhack leaving to become the athletic director at Syracuse, new ideas are being discussed.

If you want a singular snapshot of SportsCenter’s morning viewership: Last ThursdaySportsCenter drew 269,000 viewers from 6–7 a.m.; 307,000 viewers from 7–8 a.m.; 277,000 viewers during the 8–9 a.m. hour, and 263,000 from 9-10 a.m. Mike & Mike averaged 289,000 on ESPN2 during the same period. No doubt some in management would postulate that a Greenberg-fronted show could draw more than the current SportsCenter if it moved from ESPN2 to ESPN. If such a show comes to fruition, expect opinion-oriented talent (perhaps from CAA, which represent Greenberg) to join him.

During the last 18 months the Mike & Mike brand has been in the news, mostly for potential changes to the show. In May 2015, during its annual upfronts for ad buyers, ESPN boldly announced the show would move from its long-time Bristol, Connecticut, location to ABC’s Times Square studio in New York City, beginning in February 2016. The move was designed to turn Mike & Mike into a Good Morning America-style program, including interacting with the ABC show, which is also under the Disney aegis. The move never happened. ESPN pulled the plug on the idea a couple of months later.

Cris Carter was later added to the show in an attempt (in theory) to give it more juice. He is no longer with ESPN. In March I asked Traug Keller, who oversees all aspects of the ESPN’s audio business, including talent, staffing, national programming content, scheduling and event production, about Mike & Mike’s content.

“I will tell you that a litmus test of mine for Mike & Mike and how it fits in with the brand is I want Mike & Mike to be able to be on with the moms driving the kids in the backseat to school,” Keller said. “We get feedback on that, and it matters. It matters to our brand. Do we want to have the sports show of record where commissioners want to come to get their point of view across? Yes. All that stuff matters. It actually allows us to deliver an audience that advertisers feel very comfortable in and more and more today advertisers are trying to stay away from controversial talk.

“We feel good about the brand we are putting forth. Now ratings are absolutely important. We added Cris Carter in the fall [to Mike & Mike] and it absolutely helped move the ratings. We’ve brought in [His & Hers co-hosts] Jemele Hill and Michael Smith from time to time and that has helped. We are doing things to constantly tweak the ratings. I’m not ceding it but I am telling you there is a larger picture.”

That was then.

If ESPN does break up the Mikes, they would have a large hole to fill on the audio side given the Mike & Mike show has been a revenue-driver for the division for a decade-plus. It’s also the signature show for ESPN in many radio markets across the country. Some at ESPN have postulated that Golic would join his son Mike Jr. (who also works at ESPN Radio) in some sort of Golic & Golic show. But it seems a long shot that such a new show would immediately become ESPN Radio’s signature flagship morning show.
 

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I never thought this would happen. But media consumption is changing. In the late 90s, I watched Sportscenter religiously. It was the only place to go for the highlights. Now its all so easily accessible elsewhere. I've watched live Sportscenter less than 10 times in the last two years, maybe three.

I think the headline here should have been about phasing out morning Sportscenter, not what it would be replaced with.

I know a lot of this thread is going to be Greenberg hate. This paragraph was the key part of the article as far as that is concerned:

“I will tell you that a litmus test of mine for Mike & Mike and how it fits in with the brand is I want Mike & Mike to be able to be on with the moms driving the kids in the backseat to school,” Keller said. “We get feedback on that, and it matters. It matters to our brand. Do we want to have the sports show of record where commissioners want to come to get their point of view across? Yes. All that stuff matters. It actually allows us to deliver an audience that advertisers feel very comfortable in and more and more today advertisers are trying to stay away from controversial talk.​

Greenberg is seen as safe and steady. He's apple pie and ice cream. He's the national anthem before the game. Everything that makes him uninteresting to me is what qualifies him for the job.

I only listen to or watch two ESPN programs at this point. The Dan Le Batard Show on ESPN Radio and PTI on ESPN, via the podcast. Le Batard discusses race and culture nearly as much as sports-- It's amazing that network has that show following Mike & Mike with the standards they've set out.
 
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Obviously, Sportscenter has outlived its usefulness at that time. (Or is there a way to fix it?)

I would think it would make more sense to make Mike & Mike a TV show if they were going to go in that direction. They're a proven commodity with good chemistry (at least, as I recall-- haven't listened in years) where Greenberg solo is totally unproven.

There has to be someone else better for a solo show at that time. I'd say, off the top of my head, throw some money at Dan Patrick and don't fuck up what you have on the radio.
 

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put Bomani Jones on in the morning

“I will tell you that a litmus test of mine for Mike & Mike and how it fits in with the brand is I want Mike & Mike to be able to be on with the moms driving the kids in the backseat to school,” Keller said. “We get feedback on that, and it matters. It matters to our brand. Do we want to have the sports show of record where commissioners want to come to get their point of view across? Yes. All that stuff matters. It actually allows us to deliver an audience that advertisers feel very comfortable in and more and more today advertisers are trying to stay away from controversial talk.

I don't want to see a neutered Bomani, I'm not sure he would accept it under the conditions they would put forth and I don't think the real Bomani is at all what they want.

I think my #1 pick would be Keith Olbermann but that's obviously ridiculous. I don't think Bomani is that different as an option. The most enlightening and entertaining people are too good for ESPN if they're looking for a sports version of the Today Show.
 

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The only reason I listen to Mike & Mike in the morning is because I don't have Sirius Radio any more. Straight BS Cleveland AM/FM. I hate his sly BS racist takes, and the Martin Luther Coon...um King shit he did a few years back didn't go lost on me - I'm fully awake, bitch. Sad for Golic, but he's a goofy color guy and easily replaced. If they are gonna do that to Greenberg, they may as well as move him to CNN, because I aint listening.

For my Cleveland fam, we have an afternoon host named Aaron Goldhammer, a mouthy Jew (see a trend) who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, and he is paired with a cool ass Cleveland dude Emmett Golden from 3-5 on WKNR, ESPN Cleveland. Goldie is fun, and funny, and without him on the show I don't listen. If he vacations, so do I.

The only thing they betta not fuck with is Mike & Jemele His & Hers. I can listen to their show a week old and it's still cool and funny.
 

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They can blame pretending poke is a sport and having fine hoes talk about a sport they only hang around to get wifed up. Fuck Mike and the other Mike. Fuck Screamin A Smith. The only one i gives a fuck about is Bomani, Michael Smith, Shannon and Marcellus Wiley.
 

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I would think it would make more sense to make Mike & Mike a TV show if they were going to go in that direction. They're a proven commodity with good chemistry (at least, as I recall-- haven't listened in years) where Greenberg solo is totally unproven.
Thats the thing though, they are essentially a tv show now. The sports talk game has changed. And people now have options. Also think part of the issue is a good portion of their core demo has started to age out of daily viewing. They were always a very vanilla and safe morning show time filler.. It worked once upon a time but not so much now in the era of social media and options.
 

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Thats the thing though, they are essentially a tv show now. The sports talk game has changed. And people now have options. Also think part of the issue is a good portion of their core demo has started to age out of daily viewing. They were always a very vanilla and safe morning show time filler.. It worked once upon a time but not so much now in the era of social media and options.

That's what I was gonna say. That shit is a TV show. They air it on one of them ESPN channels. Most of them are. Dan Patrick got his. ESPN has a few others.
 
I'm not checking for some social media social commentary youtube version of sports. If not Fox sports or Espn its the major MLB, NFL, NBA etc etc only based for highlights.
 

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Thats the thing though, they are essentially a tv show now. The sports talk game has changed. And people now have options. Also think part of the issue is a good portion of their core demo has started to age out of daily viewing. They were always a very vanilla and safe morning show time filler.. It worked once upon a time but not so much now in the era of social media and options.

Crazy that vanilla is a prerequisite, even from a Disney company.

They're basically going for soccer moms over people who actually watch soccer, football, etc. Not sure that's wise.
 

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Crazy that vanilla is a prerequisite, even from a Disney company.

They're basically going for soccer moms over people who actually watch soccer, football, etc. Not sure that's wise.
Not anymore... They've gotten rid of alot of the traditional (whitebread) sports voices and gone a more current route of catering to diverse tastes imo... Lebatard, Van Pelt, Jalen & Jacoby, Bomani, even First Take where they essentially just yell at each other for 90 minutes.... all very good shows (or highly rated) with a very modern feel.
 

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ESPN didn't adjust when Pros and College started their own networks.

ESPN was the middleman to view what you wanted to watch.

Now you can go directly to the source.

Why watch Sportcenter for a hour to get highlights when I can go to NBATv, NFL Network, MLB Network or their Youtube channel without the filter?
 

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Not anymore... They've gotten rid of alot of the traditional (whitebread) sports voices and gone a more current route of catering to diverse tastes imo... Lebatard, Van Pelt, Jalen & Jacoby, Bomani, even First Take where they essentially just yell at each other for 90 minutes.... all very good shows (or highly rated) with a very modern feel.
I know-- That's why ESPN Senior Vice President Traug Keller's litmus test seems so odd to me. It's like they think that particular timeslot needs a certain sanitized element.
 

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They over saturated the market with competing channels and shows.

Not to mention a lot on air talent no one respects.

With how the sports world works, by the time you watch a show you may like, the commentary may already be obsolete. So it really hurts when there are too many shows to keep up with in an average work day. You have to put energy into ignoring other stations and constant news feeds from various media sources on top of that. Add to the fact that you don't want to feel left behind when major developments happens. Ultimately, channels can't control the flow of info.

And yes. There are many shows who employ troll journalist and former athletes that aren't good enough in their best years to professionally critique championship teams now. This stands out when they try to copy another show's formula.
 

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I can't beleive ESPN has gotten so lost

after spending MILLION revamping the sportscenter studio..for essentially no damn reason

and continuously re-doing all these shows to no avail...

they just keep throwing money around instead of fully investing in talent and building a reliable BRAND

they need to strengthen their streaming services.

Make all shows have podcasts and have video channels for all their sports shows.

be a REAL news entity stop all the trolling sh*t

their should be a at least a quarterly if not WEEKLY The Undefeated TV news show like Real sports concentrating on Black Sports issues.

they should have a regular show for ESPN W too.

Oh this right wing dam n near tea party commentators got to go, dissenting opinion is FINE but these blatant rascist sh*t is obvious and has SERIOUSLY hurt their brand.

Give Bomani the greenlight.

And find a way to program your schedule better to be prepared for how games end and can effect scheduled programming...

its been decades and they STILL can't figure that sh*t out.
 

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I watch Mike and Mike all the time. When was Greenburg racist? Dude is scared of his own shadow. I think they work better together than apart.

 

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Would be a loss in my market for morning sports talk radio as the only other options is this Clay Travis, Out Kick the Coverage show; just replaced Fox Sports Daybreak (Andy Furman and Mike North) a few weeks ago and Travis is a pompous, self gloryfing asshole in the mold of Jim Rome.

Bomani couldn't be himself and be the morning lead; too much revenue on the line for ESPN. At a minimum 'The Evening Jones' would be no more. Notice how, as His and Hers has gotten more mainstream day airtime, the podcasts have become fewer and fewer. The TV show is sanitized.

IMO Greenberg isn't strong enough of a draw to hold down a show solo; Golic as a former pro and with a kid who played top level D1 brings a perspective that's much more sports aligned then Greensbergs journalistic side. But as a tandem they click; apart would be a nightmare; I can see Greenberg having sports guest after sports guest and getting completely outclassed by them.
 

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I can't see the Mike's splitting up especially in today's climate. From Cowherd & Whitlock, to Stephen A & Kellerman to Libtard and the crew, it seems like they're trying to forge more shows where there's contrasting ideas rather than going the singular route.

Greenie is decent on his own, but Golic is the jelly to that peanut butter sandwich. Together, they just work.
 

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I was a SportsCenter JUNKIE growing up. In the 2000s, tho? Very, very, VERY, rarely.
dat became my morning cartoons as a teen..had to see who won the games..who hit how many hrs, the highlights, the stats i was a sports junkie my teen yrs
 

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My wife and mother in law to sports radio. I can see that demographic tuning to a Greenberg show.

ESPN has to do something because they are the king of a rapidly diminishing kingdom with usurpers coming for the crown.
 

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They can blame pretending poke is a sport and having fine hoes talk about a sport they only hang around to get wifed up. Fuck Mike and the other Mike. Fuck Screamin A Smith. The only one i gives a fuck about is Bomani, Michael Smith, Shannon and Marcellus Wiley.

Yeah you see these niggas going the fox news route fine hoes who only speak when some chick gets bear by men, outside of that these girls know little about sports, they losing they're appeal.

Honestly, I don't even watch sportscenter, I can literraly go to youtube to find sas speaking on only a certain topic, I think tv for some instances is just dying right now, people want spefics...

bama fans want bama news, not lsu news...

I would def get rid of sportscenter, people lose interest, takes too long to get to the point, too pc, no personalities anymore and people don't have the time they used too, espn needs to figure out a way to be more brief and more mobile..

ala netflix, right to the point, all the shows drop one time, cheap, keep it moving lol
 

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Yall still fuck with ESPN?

When the Adrian Peterson story broke, thats when I made a conscious decision to only watch ESPN during football season.
 
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