Debate: Russell Brand says MSNBC reporting is the SAME as Fox News?

playahaitian

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They are a channel for leftists. They pretty much said so.

Ok I see what you saying...

Bias I can see that.

But I think spreading deliberate misinformation is a significant distinction between the two.

I don't find Fox to be journalistically ethical.

I got a question.

we gotta be careful if we define "leftist media "as honest social justice human interest etc...

What we (or you personally) define "right" as?
 
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APOPHIS

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I agree.
He has a brilliant way of articulating simple truths.
Both are biased towards their perspectives.

WION is the only source for unbiased news I could think of.
 

Andeyhollawho

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The difference is MSNBC concentrates on left centered stories that drive towards a leftist audience. It's still news and vetted but left leaning.

Fox News started out the same way for the right in theory but they started to lose the news and vetting part. Now they are reporting things they don't believe in and know are bullshit. Making up shit. That is a journalism death bed!
 

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The difference is MSNBC concentrates on left centered stories that drive towards a leftist audience. It's still news and vetted but left leaning.

Fox News started out the same way for the right in theory but they started to lose the news and vetting part. Now they are reporting things they don't believe in and know are bullshit. Making up shit. That is a journalism death bed!


All of these major networks report on their GIVEN corporate opinions on political matters.
Pundits ranting and airing Op-Eds is the business they all are in.
 

playahaitian

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People who don't agree with the Biden administration are not automatically MAGA.
You sound like you watch a whole lot of MSNBC lol.

^^^^

I 100% agree with that part.

And I think it's all part of the hustle.

The right, trump, incels try to jump on any even slight opposition to social justice, black issues, the left etc etc not even REAL hate just differences in strategy etc.

And then they muddy the waters and cause serious division within a group (the left) that they know would be crazy influential if united despite minor differences.
 

Andeyhollawho

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All of these major networks report on their GIVEN corporate opinions on political matters.
Pundits ranting and airing Op-Eds is the business they all are in.

Op-ed is one person going in for themselves. It's not every personality on the network saying a version of the same story. Like Trump getting the election stolen. All of Fox News talked about it in a positive way even though most of them felt negative towards it. That included "journalists" and talking heads. That wouldn't happen at MSNBC even with all of the money they put out there. That's the difference plain and simple.
 

playahaitian

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All of these major networks report on their GIVEN corporate opinions on political matters.
Pundits ranting and airing Op-Eds is the business they all are in.

You not wrong.

But one is straight up lying period with not even appre

And targets black folk specifically as one of the groups attacked with their misinformation.
 

keone

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some years ago russell was going in on fox news then all of a sudden he flipped flopped and went full MAGA...
i have watched some of his videos and he just goes at anyone that is full of shit
his team does research too
didnt get maga vibes
 

Hey Julian!

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Ok I see what you saying...

Bias I can see that.

But I think spreading deliberate misinformation is a significant distinction between the two.

I don't find Fox to be journalistically ethical.

I got a question.

we gotta be careful if we define "leftist media "as honest social justice human interest etc...

What we (or you personally) define "right" as?
Covid reporting exposed the deliberate lies. The horse medicine shit. Intentionally misrepresenting medicine that won a Nobel price that’s vastly used more in humans than it ever was with animals. I don’t go to none of the major tv networks for news anymore. They all suck.
 

playahaitian

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Op-ed is one person going in for themselves. It's not every personality on the network saying a version of the same story. Like Trump getting the election stolen. All of Fox News talked about it in a positive way even though most of them felt negative towards it. That included "journalists" and talking heads. That wouldn't happen at MSNBC even with all of the money they put out there. That's the difference plain and simple.

^^^^
 

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Op-ed is one person going in for themselves. It's not every personality on the network saying a version of the same story. Like Trump getting the election stolen. All of Fox News talked about it in a positive way even though most of them felt negative towards it. That included "journalists" and talking heads. That wouldn't happen at MSNBC even with all of the money they put out there. That's the difference plain and simple.

Not quite.
KEITH OLBERMAN was at MSNBC and all he ever did was spew his personal thoughts.
Whether he had a point or not isn't the case here. I'm just showing that they are more alike they are are different.
 

playahaitian

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Covid reporting exposed the deliberate lies. The horse medicine shit. Intentionally misrepresenting medicine that won a Nobel price that’s vastly used more in humans than it ever was with animals. I don’t go to none of the major tv networks for news anymore. They all suck.

An overall mistrust of all major media...

I can understand and respect.

I ain't gonna get into the rest of the stuff.
 

Andeyhollawho

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Not quite.
KEITH OLBERMAN was at MSNBC and all he ever did was spew his personal thoughts.
Whether he had a point or not isn't the case here. I'm just showing that they are more alike they are are different.

You named one person to dispute what I said about one person vs a whole network agenda! :lol:

Bruh you missed the whole point. :smh:
 

Hey Julian!

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MSNBC is biased but Fox blatantly lies and caters to racists. They also ignore stories that criticize the Republikkklans. MSNBC often goes in on Dems who aren’t left enough. Not even close to the same thing.
If you listening to news to here your perspective you already in the wrong. News is news, just report the facts. News was boring a fuck before they discovered the 24hrs breaking news cycle now everything is sensationalized. I roll my fucking eyes anytime some shit pops up as breaking news now.
 

Dr. Truth

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If you listening to news to here your perspective you already in the wrong. News is news, just report the facts. News was boring a fuck before they discovered the 24hrs breaking news cycle now everything is sensationalized. I roll my fucking eyes anytime some shit pops up as breaking news now.
I don’t watch MSNBC , News Nation is the only national news channel that isn’t biased .
 

HAR125LEM

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I agree with Brand. But that Dude has been on a weird conspiratorial Right-Wing trip for the last few years anyway.

But I really think that CNN could take huge advantage of this. That network is currently in a schizophrenic state. Not knowing what it wants to be. If Chris Licht was really smart, he would platform CNN back to its origins of just being a NEWS ONLY network. Focusing on real Journalism and Investigative detailing of larger stories. Save the opinionated stuff for a few shows on weekends. Leave that shit to FOXNews and MSNBC.
 

Non-StopJFK2TAB

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I agree with Brand. But that Dude has been on a weird conspiratorial Right-Wing trip for the last few years anyway.

But I really think that CNN could take huge advantage of this. That network is currently in a schizophrenic state. Not knowing what it wants to be. If Chris Licht was really smart, he would platform CNN back to its origins of just being a NEWS ONLY network. Focusing on real Journalism and Investigative detailing of larger stories. Save the opinionated stuff for a few shows on weekends. Leave that shit to FOXNews and MSNBC.
Americans aren’t interested in news. And corporations are in the business of making money.
 

playahaitian

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If you listening to news to here your perspective you already in the wrong. News is news, just report the facts. News was boring a fuck before they discovered the 24hrs breaking news cycle now everything is sensationalized. I roll my fucking eyes anytime some shit pops up as breaking news now.

^^^^

That's what I think the overall point is and why I can't just lump every one together

If Fox is specifically NOT doing what you yourself just defined as real journalism...

They not only not the same

but dangerous.
 

lazarus

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In the fact they both present news with a bias. That's not even debatable. Fox promotes white men, racism, and blonde bimbos. MSNBC promotes lesbians, gays, and black women independence.

If you want more neutral news - NPR, BBC, Reuters. Facts only.
 

Diomedes3000

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MSNBC isn't quite fox but it's damn near close. When I visit mom dukes she has that bullshit on constantly and it makes my head hurt. There is a lot of truth stretching and intentionally trying to lead viewers where they want them to go. Nobody just reports the news and let's you come to your own conclusions.
 

playahaitian

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In the fact they both present news with a bias. That's not even debatable. Fox promotes white men, racism, and blonde bimbos. MSNBC promotes lesbians, gays, and black women independence.

If you want more neutral news - NPR, BBC, Reuters. Facts only.

I always hear that about BBC

I really want to know how they earned that reputation and if the the UK and the rest ofvthe world agrees.

Cause at one time al jazeera had that rep too.
 
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