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This Michael B. Jordan Photo in Vanity Fair Has People Upset — Here's Why
By Mathew Rodriguez18 hours ago
A picture is worth a thousand words. And sometimes a lot of those words are homophobic.
Last week, Vanity Fair published an interview with actor Michael B. Jordan and director Ryan Coogler. They've collaborated on two films now — Creed and Fruitvale Station. But, as an official picture of Jordan and Coogler from the Vanity Fair interview circulated online, a lot of disparaging remarks followed.
Here's the photo in question:
The image of Jordan with his hand on Coogler's head drew crude sexual and homophobic remarks from commenters on more than one Facebook page. When celebrity gossip blogger B. Scott, who runs LoveBScott, posted it on his Facebook, it garnered almost 300 comments, many of them negative.
Most spoke about their problem with the pose, saying the pose seemed emasculating and effeminate.
"No self respecting heterosexual males pose like this naturally," one commenter wrote.
Some other commenters were quick to clap back.
When blogger Son of Baldwin posted a response to the controversy that called out the homophobic remarks, most people agreed, but some people even engaged in homophobia on the Son of Baldwin Facebook page, which is a page about LGBT issues.
"Whether Jordan and Coogler are 'just boys' or something more: It shouldn't matter," the post reads. "Love between black people should always be celebrated given how much violence between black people is always encouraged."
Baldwin began posting that he would delete any comment that equated the word "gay" with negativity. Some of the comments under his post were, however, very supportive of Coogler and Jordan's embrace.
"This deep love is our salvation," one commenter wrote. "We can love and not have it attached to sex/sexuality."
These comments might suggest that the black community is more homophobic than others, but that's actually not the case. The most common anecdote used to point to black homophobia is the role black voters played in the passing of Prop 8 in 2008, a myth that was later debunked. Data showed that their voting was basically in line, if not a bit higher, than most other racial groups. To the contrary, black and Latino voters were directly responsible for passing marriage equality in Maryland four years later.
And most of the U.S.'s remaining anti-sodomy laws — which are unconstitutional and remain on the books more as a display of outright homophobia — are in majority white states.
So, no, this is not a black homophobia issue. It's just a regular old #MasculinitySoFragile problem. Seeing two men embrace one another in a way that even suggests intimacy is sometimes still too much for America's eyes.
Thankfully, not all of America.
This Michael B. Jordan Photo in Vanity Fair Has People Upset — Here's Why
By Mathew Rodriguez18 hours ago
A picture is worth a thousand words. And sometimes a lot of those words are homophobic.
Last week, Vanity Fair published an interview with actor Michael B. Jordan and director Ryan Coogler. They've collaborated on two films now — Creed and Fruitvale Station. But, as an official picture of Jordan and Coogler from the Vanity Fair interview circulated online, a lot of disparaging remarks followed.
Here's the photo in question:
The image of Jordan with his hand on Coogler's head drew crude sexual and homophobic remarks from commenters on more than one Facebook page. When celebrity gossip blogger B. Scott, who runs LoveBScott, posted it on his Facebook, it garnered almost 300 comments, many of them negative.
Most spoke about their problem with the pose, saying the pose seemed emasculating and effeminate.
"No self respecting heterosexual males pose like this naturally," one commenter wrote.
Some other commenters were quick to clap back.
When blogger Son of Baldwin posted a response to the controversy that called out the homophobic remarks, most people agreed, but some people even engaged in homophobia on the Son of Baldwin Facebook page, which is a page about LGBT issues.
"Whether Jordan and Coogler are 'just boys' or something more: It shouldn't matter," the post reads. "Love between black people should always be celebrated given how much violence between black people is always encouraged."
Baldwin began posting that he would delete any comment that equated the word "gay" with negativity. Some of the comments under his post were, however, very supportive of Coogler and Jordan's embrace.
"This deep love is our salvation," one commenter wrote. "We can love and not have it attached to sex/sexuality."
These comments might suggest that the black community is more homophobic than others, but that's actually not the case. The most common anecdote used to point to black homophobia is the role black voters played in the passing of Prop 8 in 2008, a myth that was later debunked. Data showed that their voting was basically in line, if not a bit higher, than most other racial groups. To the contrary, black and Latino voters were directly responsible for passing marriage equality in Maryland four years later.
And most of the U.S.'s remaining anti-sodomy laws — which are unconstitutional and remain on the books more as a display of outright homophobia — are in majority white states.
So, no, this is not a black homophobia issue. It's just a regular old #MasculinitySoFragile problem. Seeing two men embrace one another in a way that even suggests intimacy is sometimes still too much for America's eyes.
Thankfully, not all of America.
Is Michael gay or is it the other guy?
I feel like I should know this?
I feel like I should know this?
if they had on basketball jerseys instead of suits i imagine that no one would bat an eye.
i get more of a teammate/brother vibe more than anything
i get more of a teammate/brother vibe more than anything
I see Scorcesee and DeNiro in black
I don't think either one is gay. But you got a bunch of dudes saying its a gay look. I find that funny cause those are the same dudes that think Odell Beckham Jr dancing in a circle with a bunch of other dudes is cool.
Millenials are always hustling backwards.
So neither is gay? What am I supposed to be angry about? Either way, I'm angry as hell right now. I hope I get credit for that.
Right. Who posses like that?? Nigga neck had to be hurting.cats going to act like they don't see it
And Im not even gonna go that far and say its a "gay" look.But Im sure the photographer and editor knew what they were doing.
Michael and dude probably weren't even paying attention.
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There are some really homophobic dudes that do some faggy shit. We've seen the videos of a bunch of dudes dancing with each other in a club and holding onto each other...that's a hell of a lot gayer than the pic of Micheal B Jordan. I swear to god if I shake another dude's hand and I get that soft limp hand...I'm going to fucking lose it.
brotherly love
but i am sure you manicure getting mofokrs see something gay
but i am sure you manicure getting mofokrs see something gay
I really don't see the issue besides the fact that two young brothers looking sharp suited up successful and are comfortable around each other.
We been programmed to hate US
If this was Matt Damon and Ben Affleck in the same EXACT pose not a second look
Oh they brothers the bond the brotherhood
but US?
its a sign of weakness cause THEY say so.
But if they were in street clothes, football jerseys or basketball gear it would good right?
Hood shit...
If one of them had a gun a baseball bat on their shoulder it would be gangsta mafioso style.
I think all that homo stuff says more about the people SEEING that.
Don't get me wrong I aint cool with ANYONE patting me on the head like a kid
that is just a Black thing I guess...I understand
but this aint that.
This is THEM programming Black people to to only see hate in each other.
We been programmed to hate US
If this was Matt Damon and Ben Affleck in the same EXACT pose not a second look
Oh they brothers the bond the brotherhood
but US?
its a sign of weakness cause THEY say so.
But if they were in street clothes, football jerseys or basketball gear it would good right?
Hood shit...
If one of them had a gun a baseball bat on their shoulder it would be gangsta mafioso style.
I think all that homo stuff says more about the people SEEING that.
Don't get me wrong I aint cool with ANYONE patting me on the head like a kid
that is just a Black thing I guess...I understand
but this aint that.
This is THEM programming Black people to to only see hate in each other.
this Image could have a lot of underlying meaning, my perspective, black male over 50.
#1 No man puts his hands in my head. that's like getting sonned, back in the day.
the move symbolizes dominance one over the other, be it sexual or not.
#2 the gazing at the camera, thirsty look in their eyes, THAT"S GAY!
#1 No man puts his hands in my head. that's like getting sonned, back in the day.
the move symbolizes dominance one over the other, be it sexual or not.
#2 the gazing at the camera, thirsty look in their eyes, THAT"S GAY!
ain't no way you a black man over 50 and using getting sonned in your vernacular.
the picture depicts the love and protection of one brother to another. classic trust posture which would be different if a stranger did it but in this case it shows a bond...
gazing into a camera is gay.....smdh......
Did he publicly say this, or did you just see pics of him with white women and make that determination?
see the funny thing about that pic is the thing they calling a homo vibe would actually be especially in the 90's a "sonning" vibe...i kno more dudes that would've been pissed about that pic or would've said something like i ain't letting no nig put his hand on my head like i'm his son or some lil nigga..i ain't no bitch nig or weak nig or some kinda herb and u ain't my pops or older bro so u ain't gonna put ur hands on me like i'm some betta lol..that's the reaction a lot of dudes would've said in the 90's..in fact that use to be a game "yo u my son" and a nig would put his hand on somebody head like he some bitch nig..shit would piss people off crazy
So when basketball players on the same team, embrace each other by doing that, it's gay?
Of course they are looking at the camera, their picture is being taken.
If you see a thirsty look, then you need to question yourself.
Come on man, you over 50, you should have more sense than that.
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