Derrick Rose Traded To The Knicks

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when amare came to the knicks , they was actually putting in work. dolan did the dick head move and traded half the team for melo, because he seen more money to be made. after melo came , tickets prices increased by 200%. knicks have a habit of getting good players and trading them off and those players excels elswhere. the knicks also like getting over the hill players for name sake purposes. rose might have a good year since it's a one year contract. we'll see.
Who that was traded in the melo trade has gone on to prosper?
Gallo ain't played a full season yet and is scoring a lot on a terrible team.

Amare put in a lot of work and then his body began to break down. Where is he now?
 
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This is interesting:

Jamal Crawford emerging as viable option to be part of Knicks supporting cast, tells News he ‘really enjoyed’ his time in NY
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Jamal Crawford talks about his love of playing for the Knicks.
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FRANK ISOLA
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, June 25, 2016, 3:06 PM

Phil Jackson will shoot for the stars (Kevin Durant) during free agency but ultimately the Knicks will focus on more realistic targets like Joakim Noah.

Finally, Jackson will turn his attention to building a supporting cast and one former Knick emerging as a viable option is Jamal Crawford, the NBA's only three-time Sixth Man of Year.

Crawford, 36, has strong support within the Knicks organization and that feeling appears to be mutual.

"I'm not talking about any one team but everyone knows how I feel about New York," Crawford told The News. "I really enjoyed my time there."

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Crawford, who becomes a free agent on July 1st, spent four-plus seasons with the Knicks and played for four coaches, including Larry Brown and Isiah Thomas, who was responsible for signing Crawford.

The Knicks are in the market for a shooting guard and the 6-foot-5 Crawford has the ability to play either guard position. Although he's been in the league 16 years, Crawford is still highly productive based on his winning his third Sixth Man award this past season with the Los Angeles Clippers.

He appeared in 79 games for the Clippers and averaged 15.5 points. Also, Crawford has played at least 69 games in five of his last six non-lockout seasons.

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In 2007, then-Knicks coach Isiah Thomas with Jamal Crawford.
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The Clippers own Crawford's Bird Rights and have expressed a desire to re-sign the player who holds the NBA record with 52 four-point plays.

Knicks not celebrating Derrick Rose move, have more work to do to

With a lineup featuring Derrick Rose, Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis, the Knicks will need scoring off the bench and Crawford has established himself as one of the best in league history.

He's also insurance for Rose, who appeared in 66 games last season but has had a history of injury issues.

The Knicks are hoping to re-sign Lance Thomas and Langston Galloway. Arron Afflalo will opt out of his contract on July 1st and is not expected to return.

Derrick Williams, a Jackson favorite, also opted out of his deal and it is unclear if he'll re-sign.

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A backcourt of Rose and Crawford is WAY better than what the Knicks had last year.
 

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A backcourt of Rose and Crawford is WAY better than what the Knicks had last year.

Yep. I think the issue with the Rose acquisition is the fact that its a lose lose situation. If he balls out then it's like the Knicks are almost forced to re-sign a player that is injury prone and that never works out. Then if he sucks it's like he sucks and it was a waste of time.
 

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Yep. I think the issue with the Rose acquisition is the fact that its a lose lose situation. If he balls out then it's like the Knicks are almost forced to re-sign a player that is injury prone and that never works out. Then if he sucks it's like he sucks and it was a waste of time.
Wrong. If he balls out ur not forced to max him. In fact, there's no scenario where I'd give him max money. It would be incentive laden and based on games played but never max money or not long term.

If he plays poorly or is hurt that's fine too, we'll have $75 million in cap space to grab up stars. The main purpose of this trade Was to rid ourselves of long term contract of Robin Lopez, free cap space & we just may end up getting a valuable piece in Rose. There's little doubt that he will have the best year he's capable of this year. There is zero downside to our current position.
 

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Wrong. If he balls out ur not forced to max him. In fact, there's no scenario where I'd give him max money. It would be incentive laden and based on games played but never max money or not long term.

If he plays poorly or is hurt that's fine too, we'll have $75 million in cap space to grab up stars. The main purpose of this trade Was to rid ourselves of long term contract of Robin Lopez, free cap space & we just may end up getting a valuable piece in Rose. There's little doubt that he will have the best year he's capable of this year. There is zero downside to our current position.
You are wasting your time my dude. All of that logical explaining about why & how much this trade made sense....doesn't matter. They wanna see us fail. Don't want the Knicks to be a contender & prefer to keep the jokes going. Praying & praying for our downfall. But its the other way now!
 

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Wrong. If he balls out ur not forced to max him. In fact, there's no scenario where I'd give him max money. It would be incentive laden and based on games played but never max money or not long term.

If he plays poorly or is hurt that's fine too, we'll have $75 million in cap space to grab up stars. The main purpose of this trade Was to rid ourselves of long term contract of Robin Lopez, free cap space & we just may end up getting a valuable piece in Rose. There's little doubt that he will have the best year he's capable of this year. There is zero downside to our current position.

In what universe do you think If Rose has a year even remotely similar to his mvp year he won't demand the Max? Shit, we're not obligated to max him but what backlash would that give? This is not the NFL, incentive laden contracts don't work in the NBA where almost all contracts are guaranteed.
 

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Bleacher report saying Noah is the Knicks top priority

Derrick Rose recruiting Joakim Noah to Knicks: ‘He knows that I want to play with him’
STEFAN BONDY
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Friday, June 24, 2016, 10:58 PM

If there were any doubts about who Derrick Rose preferred as the Knicks starting center this upcoming season, the new point guard removed them at Friday’s introductory press conference - it’s former Bulls teammate Joakim Noah.

“Oh I want him. He knows that. I think his family knows that. I think everybody knows that," Rose said Friday about his friend who is also a New Yorker and currently a free agent.

"Even last night I was talking to him about it. And it’s the same way. He’s in a position where he got injured twice last year and it was his contract year and he's got to figure out what he wants to do so I can’t get mad with the decision he will make soon or whenever he makes it.

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Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah talk on the Bulls bench at the Garden this past season, but could they both be playing home games here this season?
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“But he knows that I want to play with him.”

Reflective Derrick Rose says he has to make playoffs with Knicks

Rose played eight seasons in Chicago alongside Noah, an NYC product who went to high school at Poly Prep in Brooklyn. The two were spotted Thursday partying at a club in Manhattan, the night before Rose's introductory press conference at the Garden.

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Rose speaks highly of Noah, his long-time teammate in Chicago and current free agent at an introductory press conference Friday.
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Rose said he may switch his strategy and actually recruit free agents for the Knicks, which was something he resisted while with the Bulls -- mostly because it doesn't fit into his low-key personality.

Other top free-agent centers on the market include another former teammate of Rose in Chicago, Pau Gasol - who rejected the Knicks’ courting two summers ago - Dwight Howard and Bismack Biyombo.

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Noah (l.) and Kristaps Porzingis fight for a loose ball last season.
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Noah, 31, is coming off an injury-riddled campaign that saw him play only 29 games last season. The two-time All-Star won the Defensive Player of the Year award in 2014, has a talent for rebounding at both ends and is known for his relentntless hustle - all things that would play well at the Garden.

Derrick Rose drops f-bomb, curses in first Knicks presser

The Wizards are also reportedly interested in Noah and could offer him a max contract. The Knicks have over $30 million to spend on free agents this summer.

"I think the position everybody is in right here and what I’ve been feeling is whoever is willing to come here and willing to do whatever it takes to win, that’s what we’re rolling with," Rose said about the Knicks. “The sense is we don’t have any time to waste. It’s now. And everybody’s got to be on board.”
 

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Derrick Rose recruiting Joakim Noah to Knicks: ‘He knows that I want to play with him’
STEFAN BONDY
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Friday, June 24, 2016, 10:58 PM

If there were any doubts about who Derrick Rose preferred as the Knicks starting center this upcoming season, the new point guard removed them at Friday’s introductory press conference - it’s former Bulls teammate Joakim Noah.

“Oh I want him. He knows that. I think his family knows that. I think everybody knows that," Rose said Friday about his friend who is also a New Yorker and currently a free agent.

"Even last night I was talking to him about it. And it’s the same way. He’s in a position where he got injured twice last year and it was his contract year and he's got to figure out what he wants to do so I can’t get mad with the decision he will make soon or whenever he makes it.

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Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah talk on the Bulls bench at the Garden this past season, but could they both be playing home games here this season?
(JASON DECROW/AP)
“But he knows that I want to play with him.”

Reflective Derrick Rose says he has to make playoffs with Knicks

Rose played eight seasons in Chicago alongside Noah, an NYC product who went to high school at Poly Prep in Brooklyn. The two were spotted Thursday partying at a club in Manhattan, the night before Rose's introductory press conference at the Garden.

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Rose speaks highly of Noah, his long-time teammate in Chicago and current free agent at an introductory press conference Friday.
(MARY ALTAFFER/AP)
Rose said he may switch his strategy and actually recruit free agents for the Knicks, which was something he resisted while with the Bulls -- mostly because it doesn't fit into his low-key personality.

Other top free-agent centers on the market include another former teammate of Rose in Chicago, Pau Gasol - who rejected the Knicks’ courting two summers ago - Dwight Howard and Bismack Biyombo.

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Noah (l.) and Kristaps Porzingis fight for a loose ball last season.
(NOAH K. MURRAY/USA TODAY SPORTS)
Noah, 31, is coming off an injury-riddled campaign that saw him play only 29 games last season. The two-time All-Star won the Defensive Player of the Year award in 2014, has a talent for rebounding at both ends and is known for his relentntless hustle - all things that would play well at the Garden.

Derrick Rose drops f-bomb, curses in first Knicks presser

The Wizards are also reportedly interested in Noah and could offer him a max contract. The Knicks have over $30 million to spend on free agents this summer.

"I think the position everybody is in right here and what I’ve been feeling is whoever is willing to come here and willing to do whatever it takes to win, that’s what we’re rolling with," Rose said about the Knicks. “The sense is we don’t have any time to waste. It’s now. And everybody’s got to be on board.”

Oh now he wants to recruit....FOH
 

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I'll be honest. I've never followed Noah's career, I just know he was the dpoy a couple of years ago. Why would he be a better fit than Howard who's younger and just as injury prone as him.

Hustle player and he's cheaper. Not to mention he's from BK.

Howard is going to want plays run for him, where Noah will get you boards and will be happy to get the ball every now and then.
 

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Who that was traded in the melo trade has gone on to prosper?
Gallo ain't played a full season yet and is scoring a lot on a terrible team.

Amare put in a lot of work and then his body began to break down. Where is he now?
during that period, the nuggets was a solid team making the play offs, much better than what the knicks had. 2 playoff run. 1 round knockout and a nd rond knockout.
 

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I'll be honest. I've never followed Noah's career, I just know he was the dpoy a couple of years ago. Why would he be a better fit than Howard who's younger and just as injury prone as him.

I don't know if Noah injury prone. Noah is a much better passer if they try triangle it would a needed skill. He doesn't need plays run for him and he would be better for KP growth then Howard.
 

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When you have a team with the potential offensive firepower the Knicks may have you need a player that can be effective without demanding the ball. Noah will get you a lot of put-back dunks and extra possessions from hustle unlike Howard who will just stand there and hope the ball comes to him for a rebound.

Think of a Marcus Camby or a Tyson Chandler type of player.
 
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during that period, the nuggets was a solid team making the play offs, much better than what the knicks had. 2 playoff run. 1 round knockout and a nd rond knockout.
Knicks had the exact same thing solid team making the playoffs winning 50+ games and making 1 first and 1 second round run.

U rather have Melo or Gallinari & Chandler?
 

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Knicks had the exact same thing solid team making the playoffs winning 50+ games and making 1 first and 1 second round run.

U rather have Melo or Gallinari & Chandler?
i was referring to the knicks in the playoff runs. of course i'll take melo. the issue was that melo wanted to get the trade to happen before the cba expired so he can get the most money possible. donnie walsh was willing to wait because he felt they would be giving away too much. which they did. dolan push the button on trade.
 

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Analysis (not mine) of what the Knicks are getting. :hmm:


"New York clearly sensed an opportunity to acquire a “name” player who fills a position of major need and was available at a low price.“Derrick is one of the top point guards in the NBA who is playoff-battle-tested,” new coach Jeff Hornacek claimed in a press release. That’s simply not true.

While Rose, 27, was the 2011 MVP and an All-Star as recently as 2012, his long history of knee issues has left him a shell of his former self. Last season, he managed to play 66 games—after playing just 100 combined in the previous four years—but he graded out well below average at his position by the major advanced metrics. According to ESPN’s Real Plus-Minus, Rose’s -4.23 RPM ranked No. 81 among 85 point guards, topping only walking disaster Ty Lawson among players who appeared in at least 60 games.

Rose suffers from a number of major flaws at this point of his career: he can’t shoot from the perimeter, he can no longer break down a defense and get to the line like he did during his best seasons and he’s regressed considerably as a finisher. Making matters worse, he posted the worst defensive rating of any Bulls player who logged at least 1,200 minutes last season. With a 2016–17 salary of $21.3 million, Rose is in line to inherit the “Most Overpaid Player in the NBA” mantle from Kobe Bryant.

New York will hope that Rose can benefit from a change of scenery and that his recognizable name will inject some excitement into a roster that’s incredibly lacking beyond Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis. That approach might prove successful on some nights, but it will make life even more difficult for Hornacek, who favored an up-tempo approach in Phoenix. With both Rose and Anthony expected to play major roles, the Knicks will need Hornacek to pursue a new style."
 

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A backcourt of Rose and Crawford is WAY better than what the Knicks had last year.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... i always wanted crawford instead of rip on the bulls pre-rose injury..rip was utterly useless..in fact he taught rose about the injury suit game..that nig served no purpose and was 1 of the reason why the bulls didn't elevate over team voltron.. now crawford mite finally team with rose and it will be in a knick jersey nooooooooooo...at least go to okc crawford..i been saying that for yrs bulls or okc
 

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i told ya last week i saw noah..now this nig rose trying to recruit him noooooooooooooooo...noah hanging out to much in ny in the past 2 weeks(i kno it's his hometown) something tells me his ass mite actually play with these guys....fuck fuck fuck..knick fans mite actually become happy again fuck fuck..need more ny dark ages need more nyk misery
 

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i told ya last week i saw noah..now this nig rose trying to recruit him noooooooooooooooo...noah hanging out to much in ny in the past 2 weeks(i kno it's his hometown) something tells me his ass mite actually play with these guys....fuck fuck fuck..knick fans mite actually become happy again fuck fuck..need more ny dark ages need more nyk misery

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i told ya last week i saw noah..now this nig rose trying to recruit him noooooooooooooooo...noah hanging out to much in ny in the past 2 weeks(i kno it's his hometown) something tells me his ass mite actually play with these guys....fuck fuck fuck..knick fans mite actually become happy again fuck fuck..need more ny dark ages need more nyk misery

I'm actually liking the idea of Noah instead of Howard
 

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Hustle player and he's cheaper. Not to mention he's from BK.

Howard is going to want plays run for him, where Noah will get you boards and will be happy to get the ball every now and then.
Well said
Noah just plays his ass off ,especially on the defensive end.
Howard sometimes brings attention that's non basketball related.
In the NY media?
Could be a distraction
 

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No sure who got the best end of this deal.

The Knicks got a BROKEN player, Rose went to a BROKEN team.

:smh::smh:
 
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