HBO: Succession

SamSneed

Disciple of Zod
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Media tycoon family drama

I like it.

Asshole family, the million dollar bet to kid about hr. Then just rips it up in his face.

Dad give the family a regift watch. If he sells it he gonna get ripped off or acused of theft.

That Asian guy tho, cold with the daddy shit.
 

SamSneed

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These cac are somethin else

I think the old man is trollin everyone.

Stupid Greg, he could have got them by the balls with the papers

Mr jokester would get kicked in the face. The sister is ugly, fuck.

Not one fine bitch in the whole show
 

dtownsfinest

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Saw the first episode....it was straight. Haven't seen one since then. IT didnt' really grab my attention and am I tripping or is this premise similar to that of Empire?
 

SamSneed

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Tom is a fuckin idiot bully, Greg finally got some balls

Younger brother is a trip
 

tical

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I’m so fucking pissed....this show is ass!

Those fucking kids are like a bunch of 12 year olds...
 

SamSneed

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Sneed you were right I enjoy the show
It's the Royal Tenenbaums without the SUPER ECCENTRIC characterizations
These people bitched up at the end. Younger brother was straight hoe

That old fuck hit his grandson with a fuckin can

Lawyer bitch can go to hell

Logan needs to just die
 

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These people bitched up at the end. Younger brother was straight hoe

That old fuck hit his grandson with a fuckin can

Lawyer bitch can go to hell

Logan needs to just die

I ain't mad at logan
Stop being pussies and take it
If you not gone take it I'm not gonna give it lol

At the same time he raised them so they're a reflection of him

Ideally the one who tried to take it would've had bigger balls and stood up to him

Logsn is a lion presiding over a pride

The old lion don't just say ok cool you got it now

The young lion gotta show him his time has passed it's time to leave the pride to me.


His daughter the only one who has the balls to do it but she's not interested in doing it she's creating her own lane
 

Tdot_firestarta

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Tom is a fuckin idiot bully, Greg finally got some balls

Younger brother is a trip

"Are we on the poop deck of a wayward schooner? is the salty brine wafting into my weatherbeaten face?...no
..... so why the fuck are you wearing deck shoes in the office?! Lmao Tom's passive aggressive shit kills me

Younger brother is basically a human alt right troll...such a lil creep
 

SamSneed

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I ain't mad at logan
Stop being pussies and take it
If you not gone take it I'm not gonna give it lol

At the same time he raised them so they're a reflection of him

Ideally the one who tried to take it would've had bigger balls and stood up to him

Logsn is a lion presiding over a pride

The old lion don't just say ok cool you got it now

The young lion gotta show him his time has passed it's time to leave the pride to me.


His daughter the only one who has the balls to do it but she's not interested in doing it she's creating her own lane
I’ll give you that but he ain’t in his right mind anymore.

I’m sure the vote call is all part of some contract board members have.

Him not leavin the room intimidated the votes.

Rules to this shit.

Once you have board members and people buyin stock, that shit ain’t yours anymore
 

SamSneed

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"Are we on the poop deck of a wayward schooner? is the salty brine wafting into my weatherbeaten face?...no
..... so why the fuck are you wearing deck shoes in the office?! Lmao Tom's passive aggressive shit kills me

Younger brother is basically a human alt right troll...such a lil creep
I wanna punch Tom
 

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I’ll give you that but he ain’t in his right mind anymore.

I’m sure the vote call is all part of some contract board members have.

Him not leavin the room intimidated the votes.

Rules to this shit.

Once you have board members and people buyin stock, that shit ain’t yours anymore

He's definitely not in his right mind

But again him being in the room shouldn't intimidate the voters.
It didn't intimidate the ppl who voted against him

The only one who stood tall was actually his brother because he wasn't voting against him regardless.

His son the mcaulkin is a grown ass man slumped in his seat and was too scared to vote with his brother

That's the type of bitchassness that let's his sick and crazy ass still run the company

1st episode he asked his son did he want to hit him

Instead he cried.

If he would've slapped him and said look it's mine now this series would probably be over.
 

SamSneed

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Bills, this ep,was fuckin sad.

Just take away color, them being cac.

This family is broken cause of the father, what he thinks he’s doin as right is wrong.

That’s not love, love doesn’t push or bully.

To see ken go back to drugs for help, hit me hard.

All I thought of was how I tried to fix me with liquor or rid myself of pain.

Logan is a sorry ass father. I’d rather be poor and have a lovin father than rich af and have a dog like Logan.

I wonder how their real mother was, fuck that bitch Logan has. She only reacts like Logan would.
 

Tdot_firestarta

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Bills, this ep,was fuckin sad.

Just take away color, them being cac.

This family is broken cause of the father, what he thinks he’s doin as right is wrong.

That’s not love, love doesn’t push or bully.

To see ken go back to drugs for help, hit me hard.

All I thought of was how I tried to fix me with liquor or rid myself of pain.

Logan is a sorry ass father. I’d rather be poor and have a lovin father than rich af and have a dog like Logan.

I wonder how their real mother was, fuck that bitch Logan has. She only reacts like Logan would.

Yeah man I kept watching and thinking..."hes not gonna do it...hes gonna come to his senses and stay clean" but that moment never happened..smh

Seemed like the drugs have him more balls made him stand up to Logan with no fear, looked him in his eyes and made him back down
 

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Bills, this ep,was fuckin sad.

Just take away color, them being cac.

This family is broken cause of the father, what he thinks he’s doin as right is wrong.

That’s not love, love doesn’t push or bully.

To see ken go back to drugs for help, hit me hard.

All I thought of was how I tried to fix me with liquor or rid myself of pain.

Logan is a sorry ass father. I’d rather be poor and have a lovin father than rich af and have a dog like Logan.

I wonder how their real mother was, fuck that bitch Logan has. She only reacts like Logan would.


My argument has never been that Logan is a good person
just that his kids are weak.
Kendall had to get high to deal with the pain and get high to stand up to him
Like I said the children are a reflection of him
For all he's done business wise
He's failed worse than anyone could ever imagine at being a true father to any of his children.

He was right about the daughter marrying that toad with no spine he's worthless
other than that he was dead wrong about everything else.

And fuck the woman he's with right now I don't know why they let her speak lololol
If she ever said anything to me I'd just say "Bitch shut up."

Don't matter if she was saying hello or can I get you some coffee
"Bitch shut up"
 

SamSneed

Disciple of Zod
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Man this ep...

Tom you fuckin idiot :roflmao2:

Ken gettin payback

Bills, I’m tellin you Logan ain’t shit, nigga threatened his daughter and couldn’t say he’d give her away so his bitch did it for him.
 

Tdot_firestarta

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Man this ep...

Tom you fuckin idiot :roflmao2:

Ken gettin payback

Bills, I’m tellin you Logan ain’t shit, nigga threatened his daughter and couldn’t say he’d give her away so his bitch did it for him.

Yeah Ken getting payback, hes on that white girl again but hes focused and fearless, however he doesn't realize hes slowly turning into his father. Peep what hes doing to those art chicks after they rejected his offer

Lmao @ Tom getting a "snowball" and bragging about it...damn pathetic cac cuck...

I thought Greg was gonna have a damn heart attack after snortin those rails
 
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largebillsonlyplease

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Man this ep...

Tom you fuckin idiot :roflmao2:

Ken gettin payback

Bills, I’m tellin you Logan ain’t shit, nigga threatened his daughter and couldn’t say he’d give her away so his bitch did it for him.

Tom is the worst.
The cousin is even worse.
But McCaulkin is slime and the worst of the worst lol

I only feel sorry for Kendall and Chive. that's it.
Those 2 should be way more if not for their father.

Nobody hands clean in this entire thing though for real.
She ain't even check dude for using her. Logan is saying he's just using her. said that from the beginning. Soon as he got into a little heat what he do? Say her name lol
She shouldn't be working for him
 

SamSneed

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Tom is the worst.
The cousin is even worse.
But McCaulkin is slime and the worst of the worst lol

I only feel sorry for Kendall and Chive. that's it.
Those 2 should be way more if not for their father.

Nobody hands clean in this entire thing though for real.
She ain't even check dude for using her. Logan is saying he's just using her. said that from the beginning. Soon as he got into a little heat what he do? Say her name lol
She shouldn't be working for him
Cuz Greg? He’s an idiot

Little brother is how cac say a twat

He said he would go against her family and say shit. She stayed.

I think ken gonna get played in this deal. I’d take the 500mil

And start fresh, move out of ny, just chill
 

SamSneed

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Yeah Ken getting payback, hes on that white girl again but hes focused and fearless, however he doesn't realize hes slowly turning into his father. Peep what hes doing to those art chicks after they rejected his offer

Lmao @ Tom getting a "snowball" and bragging about it...damn pathetic cac cuck...

I thought Greg was gonna have a damn heart attack after snortin those rails
Nigga said it was wild

Wild to cac always means some homo shit.
 

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Cuz Greg? He’s an idiot

Little brother is how cac say a twat

He said he would go against her family and say shit. She stayed.

I think ken gonna get played in this deal. I’d take the 500mil

And start fresh, move out of ny, just chill

Everyone is getting played
It's logan fault
Instead of loving his kids and having them as his best allies he did the opposite and they're his biggest threats
 

sharkbait28

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I tried watching this but kinda hated all these fucks by episode 2 or so.... no characters with any redeeming value, not sympathetic to any of them :smh:

That episode with the baseball kid was when I noped out
 

Tdot_firestarta

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Greed Is Not Good: The Anti-Capitalist Message of ‘Succession’
Whenever the money-hungry are depicted in film or TV, it just makes the audience hungry. Not so with the HBO dramedy, which captures the emptiness of chasing dollar signs.
By Jason Concepcion Jul 26, 2018, 8:05am EDTSHARE
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In “Prague,” the eighth episode of the HBO dark comedy Succession, Tom, a sycophantic executive at the media conglomerate Waystar Royco who was recently tasked with destroying evidence of the systematic sexual misconduct on the company’s cruise line, celebrates his looming nuptials to Shiv Roy, the daughter of Waystar’s powerful paterfamilias Logan Roy, by swallowing his own load at a subterranean, high-concept art party in Brooklyn. There’s a metaphor here. Something about how unrestrained capitalism must eventually devour itself, or maybe how its success contains the seeds of its own destruction. Whatever.

Tom’s recounting of the incident to “Cousin” Greg, great nephew of Logan Roy, is hilarious in and of itself because it’s clear he didn’t do it for intrinsic gratification derived from an intimate moment with another person. He did it because of the perceived status it conveys. And the rarer a thing is … the more valuable it must be. Right? After Greg reacts with utter confusion to the admission, Tom, almost in tears, struggles to recall the term for the act he has just taken part in. “It’s a thing. There’s a word for it. I can’t remember what it is right now,” he says. Then he takes a long, cleansing pull on a bottle of water. In Succession, greed isn’t merely a lust for money and power. It’s a pathetic species of FOMO.

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I watched this scene unfold and thought, Finally! Here is a show about greed that gets it right. It’s the first show or movie about money that successfully makes villains of its heroes. There are countless filmed stories about the evils of rampant capitalism. They all have the same problem: They make bottomless avarice look glossy and awesome and aspirational. To paraphrase a famous François Truffaut line about anti-war films: There’s no such thing as an anti-greed film (or show).

It’s the Gordon Gekko problem. Gekko (Michael Douglas channeling Pat Riley) was the villain of Oliver Stone’s 1987 anti-capitalist parable Wall Street. Ostensibly, at least. Gekko was a ruthless corporate raider. He made his appallingly luxurious living using borrowed money to surreptitiously amass ownership stakes in companies, firing the employees of those companies en masse, then carving up the carcass for choice bits to sell off. He did just that to Bluestar Airlines, where the protagonist Bud’s father worked as a mechanic and union leader. Gekko made millions; Bud’s father lost everything.

But when I think about Gordon Gekko now, here’s what I remember: Michael Douglas standing in his bathrobe on the beach, somewhere out east on Long Island, dawn breaking over his shoulder, waves crashing at his feet, cradling a fucking enormous cellphone. Funny thing, that phone—it’s a Motorola DynaTac 8000X, the world’s first true mobile phone, and it sold for $3,995 in 1984, which is more than ten grand in today’s money.

I’m sorry, but that looks great to me. Context aside (and my gosh the context is so complicated, which is part of the problem with creating fiction out of high finance), that is a mood. I suspect it looks much the same to you, reading this at work or at school or wherever, certainly not at your beachfront manse, scrolling the screen of some device that costs a fraction of what Gekko’s nearly 40-year-old phone once did.

Gekko’s notorious “Greed is Good” speech—in which he rationalizes the dismemberment of Teldar Paper, and the ruination of its workers, while waxing rhapsodically about the clarifying truth, and the overarching justice of selfishness—was supposed to be a dark manifesto, a window into the capacious hunger, and unfillable emptiness inside the man and the system he represents. The serpent making his pitch in front of the Tree of Knowledge. Instead the speech is one of the cultural touchstones of the 1980s—a rallying cry for the scoundrels Stone attempted to vilify. That, in a nutshell, is the issue: In these kind of stories, the bad guy invariably has the best bars.

It’s the same case with Martin Scorsese’s The Wolf of Wall Street. Lounging on the deck of a yacht with beautiful woman on each arm, sipping fine wine, bouncing fresh-caught lobsters off the back of a retreating James Comey, making it fucking monsoon from a wad of cash as thick as a baby’s thigh? Sign me up. Please.

Even Billions, which I very much enjoy, is really the story of two Difficult Men and their all-consuming dick-measuring competition, which just so happens to take place at the fraught nexus of finance and governance. I’m not sure Billions has a real villain. Greed and power aren’t seen as corrupting evil forces, they are presented as natural phenomena, like gravity. Even when Bobby “Axe” Axelrod’s Axe Capital imposes austerity measures on an upstate New York town—decimating its economy, laying off firefighters, cops, teachers, and librarians because a casino deal fell through—he does it with swagger and style, and with the support of his childhood sweetheart, the mother of his two sons. We never see the people his company hurts. This past season, Axe advised Kevin Durant on how to run his foundation. Seems pretty great.

I could go on. Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross; Boiler Room, which is like if Alec Baldwin’s Glengarry monologue took place entirely in the mind of a Staten Island guido. The characters in these stories may be awful, but they’re awful in a confident way. They live by a code, even if that code is reprehensible. They are seductive in their shittiness.

Not so the characters on Succession.

Logan Roy, the show’s lion in winter Rupert Murdoch stand-in, recently peed in his son’s office, punched his grandson, and pursued a secret and generally reckless plan that may still scuttle his company.

Connor Roy is Logan’s eldest son from his first marriage. He’s currently involved with a much younger woman who is basically an escort and who openly despises him.

Kendall Roy, Logan’s second son by his second wife, and the show’s protagonist, thirsts for acceptance in a way that makes him hyper self-aware. He’s like Michael Scott with a billion dollars. Kendall is so desperate for street credibility that he buys a pair of $670 French calfskin sneakers on the way to a meeting with the creators of an app called “Dust,” then comments on the co-developer’s earrings by noting that they’re “Very cool. Very Bauhaus.” Log off Hodinkee, my guy. His pitch culminates with an excruciating “I am not like these other rich guys” speech, after which he performatively tries to throw the shoes out the window. The developers turn down his funding offer. Which is to say that Kendall is such a fuck-up and his last name so unpalatable that he can’t give away money. It’s also notable that the only time he’s able to see the matrix outlines of his family’s dysfunction is when he’s high.

Roman is Kendall’s younger brother, and he’s a petty bully whose attempts at looking strong come across as pathetic in a way that makes you squirm in your seat. Kendall, with their father’s encouragement, and possibly at Roman’s behest, used to keep Roman in a dog cage when they were young.

Shiv, Logan’s daughter from his second marriage, is a political consultant for Gil Eavis, the show’s version of Bernie Sanders. Her strategy for getting him elected to higher office is to force him to pivot to the political center. Won’t this alienate his base? Is there a political center? These questions don’t linger long in her mind because she’s too busy cheating on Tom with an old flame who is also about to be married.

Tom swallowed his own load at his bachelor party, not because he wanted to or because it would please the partner who he had just met, but for bragging rights.

I could watch these idiots grope around in the darkness of their own gilded cages forever.



My interpretation of Truffaut’s anti-war film nugget is that the visual medium is naturally inclined to depict even horrible things in ways which are aesthetically pleasing. Succession is well-shot and has firecracker dialogue and a talented cast that is easy on the eyes. But it doesn’t elevate its characters, horrible people all; it exposes them.

Much of the criticism of Succession revolves around these characters. They’re hard to relate to (Of course. They’re richer than God). They’re unlikable (GOOD!). They’re underdeveloped, weak. This, I think, is precisely what the show is going for.

I have this theory that the characters that people most often find off-putting are the ones most like real people. Skyler White was widely hated by the Breaking Bad fan base (so much so the actress who portrayed her, Anna Gunn, somewhat soured on the show itself) because she reacted to finding out her husband was a drug dealer much the way an actual person might. The Roys act like real people. People I recognize. Occasionally myself. Kendall pumping himself up with rap music on the way to a big meeting? I relate. Roman’s tinhorn cruelty? Ditto. Tom’s cloying need to impress? See it everyday. Shiv’s knee-jerk desire to stick it to her right-wing family by working for a left-wing candidate whose message she doesn’t believe in and is plotting to water down? We live in that world right now.

Stories work because of our innate empathy. But no one wants to empathize with someone who makes stupid mistakes, misreads social cues, works against their own interests, cheats, and doesn’t even get any pleasure from the cheating. We don’t empathize with characters who spend most of their time trying not to appear ashamed of who they are by being a louder version of who they think they’re supposed to be. That’s too much like us. That’s why I love this show.


 
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