If the institution of marriage were to be redesigned as 5 year terms, how would it work?

[geechiedan]

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An institutional marriage is a formal union that is regulated by social norms and expectations. It is a social institution that is considered the foundation of families and a key to social stability.

Characteristics

• Lifelong commitment: Spouses in an institutional marriage consider it a lifelong commitment.
  
  
• Childrearing: Institutional marriages prioritize childrearing.
  
  
• Division of labor: Spouses typically adhere to a breadwinner-homemaker division of labor.
  
  
• Restrictions: Society places restrictions on marriage based on factors like age, race, social status, and gender.
  

History

• • Marriage has historically been filled with restrictions.
    
  • The institution of marriage has transitioned from a traditional model to a romantic model.
    

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• • Marriage affects the entire society and future generations.
    
  • The structure of rules that govern marriage influence behavior within the marriage.

Considering the redesign of the concept would be 5 year re-up-able deal how would it need to work?

After 5 years...without consent from both parties the marriage automatically dissolves...so what would be the terms of that? factoring in child support and any provable issues of abuse between both parties...

 

[geechiedan]

Everyone complains about marriage..
Now y'all ain't got any ideas on how to change the institution??

 

[TRUFICTION]

Marriage is the only license that does not expire. I believe that it should have and expiration and and term limits. As far as assets, there should be a deliberate division decided between the partners and re-evaluated each time the new contract is signed. Trusts should be established for the children as well. With the option to opt-out. People no longer care if the kids have the same last names and usually are blended families anyway.

 

[Fuckallyall]

This is a non starter, as I don’t think it settles any of the foundational issues that occur. Child rearing involves far more than five year increments, and issues that come about would likely not be ameliorated with five year increments. Women have broken marriage. Men have gone along too much with it. Until that changes, nothing changes.

 

[Fuckallyall]

Marriage is the only license that does not expire. I believe that it should have and expiration and and term limits. As far as assets, there should be a deliberate division decided between the partners and re-evaluated each time the new contract is signed. Trusts should be established for the children as well. With the option to opt-out. People no longer care if the kids have the same last names and usually are blended families anyway.

Then the argument will just start earlier and with more certainty. The blended family is more unstable. The marriages are more likely to fail earlier than first marriages. It doesn’t address the root causes in any way.

 

[TRUFICTION]

Then the argument will just start earlier and with more certainty. The blended family is more unstable. The marriages are more likely to fail earlier than first marriages. It doesn’t address the root causes in any way.

Which root cause? Most marriages don't even make it 5 years and 10 is damn near unheard of these days. At least if there is a goal to maintain family and lifestyle knowing there's an out clause people would work harder todo right by each other.

 

[Fuckallyall]

Which root cause? Most marriages don't even make it 5 years and 10 is damn near unheard of these days. At least if there is a goal to maintain family and lifestyle knowing there's an out clause people would work harder todo right by each other.

Where do you get your data from?

 

[catdaddy]

Not very well.

 

[TRUFICTION]

Where do you get your data from?

DATA ?

 

[Dannyblueyes]

To make that happen you would have to

1) force women to use their maiden name for all legal and financial matters. Otherwise you open the door for widespread fraud

2) require a DNA test for all live births Otherwise you'd have 4-5 dudes paying child support on the same kid.

3) require mandatory prenups.

4) require mandatory wills. No judge wants to divide assets amongst multiple exes

5) switch from a family to skill/merit based immigration system. Otherwise you have to deal with the legal clusterfuck of having a marriage expire in the middle of a green card application.

6) redefine morality. If a Christian couple renewed their marriage licence, but had it lapse due to a backlog is it still okay to fuck?

7) get rid of spousal immunity in criminal court. Otherwise prosecutors could postpone trials until the license expires causing a bigger case backlog.

8) ban divorce. Why should the state put in the work if you can let the license run its course?

9) institute universal health care. Otherwise insurance companies could cut family coverage if the license lapses while your partner is in a coma.

10) institute third party medical decisions. If your spouse suffers a brain injury, dementia, or Alzheimer's they won't have the capacity to renew a marriage license. So someone else has to be able to make medical decisions for them.

 

[scullydog]

Why not ban marriage all together and fuck who you want. Marriage was created by rich people to keep wealth in a certain group of families. Why keep that shit going? It's easier to have children and take care of your seed.

 

[BlackGoku]

Marriage is the only license that does not expire. I believe that it should have and expiration and and term limits. As far as assets, there should be a deliberate division decided between the partners and re-evaluated each time the new contract is signed. Trusts should be established for the children as well. With the option to opt-out. People no longer care if the kids have the same last names and usually are blended families anyway.

This is a good start. The only issue is with division of assets and things such as IP. How do you prove that your partner didn't give you the idea for the business that made the family millions?

 

[TRUFICTION]

This is a good start. The only issue is with division of assets and things such as IP. How do you prove that your partner didn't give you the idea for the business that made the family millions?

You still couldn't prove it if you are married in the current state of the law.

 

[geechiedan]

To make that happen you would have to

1) force women to use their maiden name for all legal and financial matters. Otherwise you open the door for widespread fraud

I dont think that would be big problem

2) require a DNA test for all live births Otherwise you'd have 4-5 dudes paying child support on the same kid.

I agree

3) require mandatory prenups.

that should be the case anyway

4) require mandatory wills. No judge wants to divide assets amongst multiple exes

every productive adult should be doing that anyway

5) switch from a family to skill/merit based immigration system. Otherwise you have to deal with the legal clusterfuck of having a marriage expire in the middle of a green card application.

The institution of marriage should not be used for that purpose anyway so there should be guards against it period

6) redefine morality. If a Christian couple renewed their marriage licence, but had it lapse due to a backlog is it still okay to fuck?

I dont think that would be a big issue since the religious couple would be more conscientious about being married.

7) get rid of spousal immunity in criminal court. Otherwise prosecutors could postpone trials until the license expires causing a bigger case backlog.

I dunno if that really changes anything since the state cant stop a couple from re-upping their marriage.

8) ban divorce. Why should the state put in the work if you can let the license run its course?

I dont see a need to ban divorce since people can divorce in shorter time period..especially in cases of abuse.

9) institute universal health care. Otherwise insurance companies could cut family coverage if the license lapses while your partner is in a coma.

10) institute third party medical decisions. If your spouse suffers a brain injury, dementia, or Alzheimer's they won't have the capacity to renew a marriage license. So someone else has to be able to make medical decisions for them.

nine and ten





this is what I'm talking about...this is what I was looking for....people putting thought into the scenario...

 

[Dannyblueyes]

This is a good start. The only issue is with division of assets and things such as IP. How do you prove that your partner didn't give you the idea for the business that made the family millions?

Correct to me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't she have to prove that she DID? For that matter, wouldn't she also have to materially contribute to that business?

If Ben's wife said "you and your friend Jerry should start an ice cream company" and did nothing else which she be able to take half of his share just for that one off suggestion?

 

[geechiedan]

This is a good start. The only issue is with division of assets and things such as IP. How do you prove that your partner didn't give you the idea for the business that made the family millions?

Correct to me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't she have to prove that she DID? For that matter, wouldn't she also have to materially contribute to that business?

If Ben's wife said "you and your friend Jerry should start an ice cream company" and did nothing else which she be able to take half of his share just for that one off suggestion?

A Different World dilemma - that episode where Dwayne and Ron fought over percentages with The Baseball Grammar Game

HOW SHOULD HAVE IT BEEN SPLIT OR SHOULD IT HAVE BEEN SPLIT IN THE FIRST PLACE??? Lets establish two things.. 1. Ron did contribute to the core idea so Dwayne shouldn't be 100% sole creator 2. Ron ONLY gave the core idea so his % should NOT be 50-50 Even tho Dwayne did the heavy lifting...

www.bgol.us

 

[Dannyblueyes]

I dont think that would be big problem

I agree

that should be the case anyway

every productive adult should be doing that anyway

The institution of marriage should be used for that purpose anyway so there should be guards against it period

I dont think that would be a big issue since the religious couple would be more conscience about being married.

I dunno if that really changes anything since the state cant stop a couple from re-upping their marriage.


I dont see a need to ban divorce since people can divorce in shorter time period..especially in cases of abuse.


nine and ten





this is what I'm talking about...this is what I was looking for....people putting thought into the scenario...

It would be a hard sell because America idealizes marriage and family. We have an unspoken belief that strong families create strong communities which in turn create a strong nation.

You can see it in our laws. Soldiers can't be deployed to war if their brother was KIA. In some states the baby is automatically yours no matter who your wife slept with. It's why an Indian software engineer can get a PhD from Harvard and still need an H1-B 10 years later, but a high school dropout from Canada can marry an Oakland chick and get a green card. More telling, it's why we never elected a divorced president until 2016

Issuing 5-year marriage licenses would mean admitting our deepest held cultural value is false. Changing this institution would have a ripple effect across all other areas of American life.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

A Different World dilemma - that episode where Dwayne and Ron fought over percentages with The Baseball Grammar Game

HOW SHOULD HAVE IT BEEN SPLIT OR SHOULD IT HAVE BEEN SPLIT IN THE FIRST PLACE??? Lets establish two things.. 1. Ron did contribute to the core idea so Dwayne shouldn't be 100% sole creator 2. Ron ONLY gave the core idea so his % should NOT be 50-50 Even tho Dwayne did the heavy lifting...

www.bgol.us

Ron shouldn't get shit!

Ideas for businesses, inventions, songs, etc can come from any and everywhere.

My dad ripped the seal off of one gallon milk jug and got the idea to invent a plumbing flashing which became a huge success.. Who should get the money for that? The grocery store? The farm? The cow?

Smokey Robinson chatted up a clerk at the department store who said "I second that notion" only she screwed up and said "I second that emotion". For anyone else it would have been a passing joke. Smokey turned it into a number one hit. Why should he give her anything?

It takes a lot more than inspiration to make a successful business. You got to roll up your sleeves and make it happen. Anyone who doesn't should consider themselves lucky for anything they get.

 

[geechiedan]

Ron shouldn't get shit!

Ideas for businesses, inventions, songs, etc can come from any and everywhere.

My dad ripped the seal off of one gallon milk jug and got the idea to invent a plumbing flashing which became a huge success.. Who should get the money for that? The grocery store? The farm? The cow?

Smokey Robinson chatted up a clerk at the department store who said "I second that notion" only she screwed up and said "I second that emotion". For anyone else it would have been a passing joke. Smokey turned it into a number one hit. Why should he give her anything?

It takes a lot more than inspiration to make a successful business. You got to roll up your sleeves and make it happen. Anyone who doesn't should consider themselves lucky for anything they get.

in all of those examples their strangers...ron is his best friend.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

in all of those examples their strangers...ron is his best friend.

Then Dwyane Wayne should give him something as a friend. But he doesn't owe him anything. Same would apply if they were married and Ron filed for divorce.

However, if Ron helped with the coding, marketing, packaging, bookkeeping or whatever else that would be different.

Million dollar ideas are a dime a dozen. People rarely see them for what they are. Even when they do they are either unwilling or unable to execute them.

Like my old roommate who sketched a cuddly anthropomorphic covid virus and wanted me to introduce him to a millionaire I knew so he could make it into a toy line.

I refused. This guy doesn't deal with toys or invest in other people's projects. He sticks to his own hustle because he knows it'll work. My roommate got butt hurt and complain that nobody listens to his great ideas. I got fed up and finally said to him "if your idea is so great why haven't you put any money into it? Why are you expecting him to take all the risk for you?"

Never heard another word about it.

 

[Fuckallyall]

Yeah, data.

DATA ?

Or, are you just talking out your ass?