Is John Oliver's "Last Week Tonight" the best political comedy today?

Art Vandelay

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My favorite is Real Time with Bill Maher-- Way better than the Daily Show IMO. I'd probably put Colbert over the Daily Show as well.

I didn't even think John Oliver's show would enter the conversation but it certainly has.

Looks like they have a lot on Youtube available for free so I'm going to be checking it out. I've only seen the two segments below but a lot of others look interesting. (If anybody can direct me to a spot to download the entire run so far, I'd appreciate it!)

I bolded my favorite line, which is fucking genius and totally true. The whole article is worth reading if you haven't seen the show.

John Oliver won’t be your therapist: How he torpedoed the reassuring tropes of fake news
The "Last Week Tonight" host isn't interested in offering a balm for tough times. He wants you to pay attention
STEVE ALMOND
AUG 14, 2014


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It’s been something of a shock — and a joyous one — to see how quickly John Oliver’s HBO program, “Last Week Tonight,” has gone from an awkward up-and-comer to an outright hit.

Not only is the program wildly popular with critics in the big markets, it’s being hailed in plenty of smaller regional venues. It’s pretty safe to say that landing an extended rave in the Auburn Citizen — circulation 10,000 — means you’ve broken out of the New York City media bubble.

The significance of the show’s surging popularity goes beyond its various laudable, and widely lauded, elements (the more diverse writer’s room, the commercial-free format, and so on). What the success of “Last Week Tonight” suggests, on a deeper level, is that American television viewers may finally be tired of the frantic bombast generated by the Stimulation Media.

What’s more, after years of making do with the therapeutic jibes of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, they are finding in Oliver a figure more interested in making sense of the world than in making them laugh.

This is not to say that Oliver isn’t funny. He and his writers and guests have come up with some uproarious bits, most recently an infomercial supplied by comedian Sarah Silverman urging Americans in dire financial straits to do anything other than borrow money from a predatory payday loan firm. “People will pay you to pee on them,” she confides. “That’s true. Doodies too! Doodies are more. Like double.” But a bit like this is not the point of the show. It’s merely the scatological kicker to a much larger story, one about the rapacity of an industry dedicated to exploiting our most economically vulnerable citizens.

Oliver spent more than 15 minutes detailing what payday loans are, how the industry targets desperate consumers with misleading ads, conceals its draconian fees and dodges regulation. It was a tour de force of explanatory journalism. After eviscerating the obvious targets, Oliver even took aim at those consumers who fail to use common sense in dealing with their debt. Everyone involved had to shoulder some blame.

This was precisely the kind of story that would never appear on a fake news show. First, because it’s not part of the idiotic news cycle that most of those shows wind up aping (i.e., there’s no “hook”). And second, because it happens to be about the segment of our population most underrepresented in the media: poor people.

As much as Oliver has been praised for his radical decision to cover stories about people other than Americans — the election in India, Uganda’s state-sponsored homophobia, Singapore’s gambling problem — the most striking aspect of his editorial vision has been his willingness to turn his gaze away from our shiny temples of wealth and power.

Instead, he’s offered viewers a long, thoughtful disquisition on income inequality, an impassioned deconstruction of the death penalty and, more recently, a cri de coeur about the prison industry, which ran nearly 18 minutes. That’s almost as long as an entire “Daily Show.”



Not only did Oliver point out that America has more prisoners than any other country – nearly 1 percent of the population — he explained the historical reasons for this, the racism inherent in our criminal justice system, and the profound corruptions of privatization. He sprinkled jokes throughout this epic rant, most of which landed. (A clean-cut Brit who favors boxy suits and skinny ties, Oliver exudes the goofy charm of a substitute teacher, which often masks the subversion of a first-class wit.)

But the crucial innovation of his show is that it dares to privilege education over entertainment. And as a viewer, therefore, I’m in a different headspace when I watch “Last Week Tonight.” I’m not constantly waiting to have my outrage lanced with a joke. I find myself more compelled by the ways in which Oliver serves as a cultural narrator rather than a court jester.

For the past two decades, as our civic institutions have become increasingly corrupt and decrepit, Americans, particularly on the left, have turned to our court jesters as a means of opiating our anger and helplessness. Morality gets served up, these days, with a mandatory laugh track.

Oliver and his staff seem to recognize that the vital ingredient isn’t the gags, but the capacity to tell large and disturbing truths about these broken institutions. In contrast to the fake news programs, he doesn’t much rely on punny graphics and rapid-fire video montages. In short: He appears to have evolved past the point of shtick.

There are moments during “Last Week Tonight” when I can sense Oliver’s nervous need to crack wise. This makes all the sense in the world. He made his name at “The Daily Show,” where big laughs were the coin of the realm, and still performs stand-up.

I often find myself wanting to say to him, “Hey, man, you don’t need to prove you’re clever, or make a dumb joke about Cheerios. We’re with you. Just trust the story you’re telling, and the power of your insight, and that’s enough.”

But in fairness, most of the time Oliver seems to have the same instinct. When he makes a joke he rarely luxuriates in the ensuing laughter — as Stewart and Colbert do reflexively. He often actually interrupts the laughter a bit, in his eagerness to get on with the story.

In the end, the segments that have critics and regular old people buzzing aren’t necessarily the funniest. They’re the ones in which Oliver is teaching us something vital that the rest of the media has not seen fit to cover. Or which they cover so simplistically or sensationally as to render unintelligible.

The quintessential example was Oliver’s exploration of those who oppose “net neutrality,” a term I had read and/or heard a hundred times but never (for the life of me) understood. Oliver spent more than 13 minutes explaining why eliminating net neutrality would allow huge cable companies to jack up prices. What people remember about this segment isn’t the cheap laugh he got slagging Sting, or his awkward effort to imitate a mobster. What they remember is the piercing insight he delivered about why the public has yet to raise any hue and cry about net neutrality. “The cable companies have figured out the great truth of America,” he noted. “If you want to do something evil, put it inside something boring. Apple could put the entire text of ‘Mein Kampf’ inside the iTunes user agreement and you’d just go ‘Agree.’”



They might also remember that Oliver helped crash the FCC’s website by encouraging his viewers to send them comments — a call for direct citizen activism almost never seen in the world of comedy news, where the goal is to relieve, rather than incite.

Oliver’s most recent coup was a segment about “native advertising” — sponsored content dressed up as news — that doubled as a sophisticated lesson in the historical relationship between corporations and the Free Press. Among his most prominent targets was the New York Times, the supposed gold standard of journalism in this country. I’m sure this marks me as naive, but I’d never heard the term “native advertising.” I have now.

As corny as it might sound, Oliver is performing a public service with his program. He is following in the tradition of our finest journalists, which is to help us understand the hidden systems of power and injustice in the world around us.

It is my hope that he’ll see the initial success of “Last Week Tonight” as a testament not to his comedic chops but to his moral instincts, and to the stunning, hopeful revelation that Americans want more substance and insight than they’ve been getting from their Fourth Estate — even from a Brit who steps on his own laugh lines.
 

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DVR'd it since the first week, dude gets better with every ep, the ish with one guy (a CAC, go figure!), who runs a hedge fund actually forcing the country of Argentina to not only declare bankruptcy, but actually had another country (Ghana, I believe) detain one of their battleships that was in their port for 3 months, as a means of paying their debt, he made the point that that's the level of hubris American businessmen (read:CACs) have risen to, actually trying to take a warship away from a country!!!!:eek:

I was like, OH SHIT!!!:smh:

Here's an article on the situation from Forbes magazine:

The Real Story Of How A Hedge Fund Detained A Vessel In Ghana And Even Went For Argentina's 'Air Force One'


In their drive to extract full compensation from the Argentine government, a hard-nosed bunch of distressed debt investors have gone to impressive lengths. They’ve pursued the country’s assets around the globe, attempting to seize the presidential plane and menacing the Argentine booth at the Frankfurt Book Fair.

Now they have a big and bizarre fish on the hook: an Argentine naval vessel. NML Capital, a subsidiary of U.S. billionaire Paul Singer’s Elliott Capital, this week won an injunction in Ghanaian superior court to hold the ARA Libertad in the port city of Tema, on the outskirts of the African nation’s capital.

UPDATE: Argentine weekly Perfil reported on Friday that the Argentine state filed a motion before the Supreme Court of Ghana in order to annul the injunction won by NML. Ace Ankomah, lawyer for NML in Ghana, indicated the court scheduled a hearing on the matter for Tuesday October 9 before the commercial division of the high court where the first legal proceeding had started. Ankomah added that if Argentina pays a bond, the boat is free to go.

The 103-meter-long sailing ship, which is used as a training vessel for naval cadets, had left Buenos Aires on June 2 and was carrying a reported total crew of 220, including 69 members of the Argentine Navy and 110 students. New York judge Thomas Griesa awarded NML $1.6 billion from Argentina in a lawsuit that the fund filed after it opted not to accept two separate restructuring offers in 2005 and 2010 on the $100 billion in debt that the country defaulted on a decade ago.

The vessel has not been seized, as some media reported, but rather detained, with its crew on board and following their daily routine, the Argentine Navy confirmed to Forbes. (“They’ve been treated very well by the locals,” a naval spokesman said.) Ghana’s courts will now have to decide whether previous rulings in the U.S. and the U.K. are sufficient to move ahead with NML’s case against Argentina. The West African nation ranks 52nd in the CFS’ rule of law index, well above major emerging nations like Brazil, Mexico, and China, and even above so-called advanced countries like Spain, Portugal, and Brazil.

The case is but the latest attempt in a tenacious campaign by the debt holders to seize Argentine assets abroad. In a statement, the Argentine foreign ministry said that “vulture funds had crossed a new limit in their attacks” toward the country, qualifying the latest move as “a trick by the unscrupulous financiers.” The ministry also said that attempting to seize the vessel is a violation of the Vienna Convention’s clause on diplomatic immunity, and called it an attempt at extortion.

Elliott Capital and other holdout bondholders have been tracking Argentine assets, financial and physical, closely, sources said. Back in 2007, a group of bondholders discovered that the Tango 01, Argentina’s presidential airplane, would be in the U.S. for scheduled maintenance and pilot training. They moved to get a court to keep the plane grounded after it landed and to seize fuel money the pilots were expected to bring in cash. The government of the late Nestor Kirchner was warned of the move, though, and cancelled the trip. It then countersued in the U.S. getting California judge William Alsup to declare the presidential Boeing 757/200 was immune from seizure.

It’s not only vehicles they were after. In 2009, Argentina was preparing a stand at the world’s largest book trade convention, the Frankfurt Book Fair. Rumors that assets could be seized forced Argentine to register its stand under a private individual rather than the state, and a showcase of works of art requested by German curators was withheld given concerns they would be seized. A year later, a Tango 01 trip to Germany was cancelled just as Buenos Aires was warned it would be seized.

Holdout bondholders have also gone after the assets of prominent Argentine politicians, including Nestor Kirchner, his wife and current president Cristina Kirchner, and 136 members of her administration, including most of the cabinet. In 2010, Singer’s Elliott got Judge Griesa, who consistently rules against Argentina, to ask Bank of America to disclose all information related to their personal accounts. Elliott has even gone after Argentina’s foreign exchange reserves, coming close to seizing $105 million held at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

While most of their attempts to grab Argentine assets have failed in court, Elliott and other distressed debt investors have recorded some victories. Having bought the debt originally for pennies on the dollar, their strategy is to pursue aggressive means to recover a greater amount.

This year, Elliott subsidiary NML and EM (owned by former billionaire Kenneth Dart) got a judge to award them assets of Argentina’s Banco Hipotecario worth approximately $23 million.

Argentina has been cast out of international debt markets since its default in 2001-2002, after its economy imploded. Years of following IMF policies and a hard peg to the dollar caused the meltdown, as Argentina saw its currency devalue 400% and its economy plunge. As it emerged from those depths, it restructured its debt, first in 2005, and then in 2010, with approximately 93% of bondholders accepting the harsh new terms. Between holdout bondholders and the Paris Club of rich nations, somewhere between 7% and 8% of the original amount remains outstanding.

The country has vowed to fight those remaining bondholders. They accused NML of using the Cayman Islands to avoid legal and tax issues (“a [tax haven] that has been denounced by the G20 and the UN”). “It is President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner’s decision not to cede to the extorsive international and domestic attempts pursued by these vulture funds,” charged the foreign ministry. Given Argentina’s recent track record, it doesn’t seem like they’ll budge.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontev...-funds-tried-to-seize-the-presidential-plane/
 

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Only watched one show so far. But he isnt even in the same class as Stewart ans Colbert, let alone Mahr. He has potential but he seems to be forcing things a bit. I will watch it occasionally.



Djmarkxr7, which episode is the segment you reference from??
 

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Only watched one show so far. But he isnt even in the same class as Stewart ans Colbert, let alone Mahr. He has potential but he seems to be forcing things a bit. I will watch it occasionally.



Djmarkxr7, which episode is the segment you reference from??

I believe it was from 2 weeks ago, he was referring to Paul Singer, as noted in the article, let me take a look, BRB!

You're right, he does seem to be forcing things a bit, especially with the way he ends episodes, the last one was a riff on Russia trying to beat the US to the punch (as far as sanctions go) by canceling their imports of chicken & soybeans, he had people in chicken & soybean costumes come out and "dance" on poles, to show Russia what they were missing, it was just plain stupid and took away from the points he just made!:smh:

Did you see the one he did on predatory lenders, aka "Payday Loan Companies", it was posted on the board, ish is TRULY a sad state of affairs, a friend got caught up in one of those!:smh:


Edit: Yeah, it's part of Episode 13, it aired on August 3rd, he starts by going in on the CIA director who stated just weeks ago that for ANYONE to think that the CIA would actually hack into the Senate Intelligence Committee's computers would "be proved WRONG!", and then had to apologize when it was found that they indeed DID, he goes in on Obama as well for still backing a guy who either lied, or has NO IDEA of what his own people are doing!!!:smh:

It's on HBO GO, not sure where to find download, but it's probably on torrent.
 
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You're right, he does seem to be forcing things a bit, especially with the way he ends episodes, the last one was a riff on Russia trying to beat the US to the punch (as far as sanctions go) by canceling their imports of chicken & soybeans, he had people in chicken & soybean costumes come out and "dance" on poles, to show Russia what they were missing, it was just plain stupid and took away from the points he just made!:smh:

Did you see the one he did on predatory lenders, aka "Payday Loan Companies", it was posted on the board, ish is TRULY a sad state of affairs, a friend got caught up in one of those!:smh:

Edit: Yeah, it's part of Episode 13, it aired on August 3rd, he starts by going in on the CIA director who stated just weeks ago that for ANYONE to think that the CIA would actually hack into the Senate Intelligence Committee's computers would "be proved WRONG!", and then had to apologize when it was found that they indeed DID, he goes in on Obama as well for still backing a guy who either lied, or has NO IDEA of what his own people are doing!!!:smh:

It's on HBO GO, not sure where to find download, but it's probably on torrent.
You know, i actually saw the second half of last weeks show as well and saw that sanctions bit. It was awful. Didnt see the predatory lender segment though. I will look for it.

Props on the info. I have HBO Go and will check it out.
 

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No, hes not responsible for the best political comedy show. Meet the press with David Gregory is pretty hilarious. In fact all those Sunday morning gab fests are pretty hilarious. As for Oliver, the show is way too preachy for me. The material is wack too.
 

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Steadily improving. I really wanted it to beat The Daily Show and Colbert Report and for the first two or three episodes, felt that he wasn't ready. Now, I see what he's doing: Doing something outside, going more in-depth.

What Stewart, Colbert, Mahr and now Oliver are now doing is real journalism and the major networks are entertainers.
 

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You know, i actually saw the second half of last weeks show as well and saw that sanctions bit. It was awful. Didnt see the predatory lender segment though. I will look for it.

Props on the info. I have HBO Go and will check it out.

BOTH segments are good viewing, it's a damn shame that a "comedy" show is where one has to go to find real journalism nowadays, these pols REALLY need the spotlight shone on them bright as fuck so that peeps can know and take them down in their respective elections!:yes:

Hit up this thread again, if you can, after you see them.:cool:
 

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Only watched one show so far. But he isnt even in the same class as Stewart ans Colbert, let alone Mahr. He has potential but he seems to be forcing things a bit. I will watch it occasionally.

What are you thinking nowadays?

Maher’s mind has been totally ruined by the Trump era and Colbert’s falloff is even worse (by far— I see him as totally worthless since he went to CBS).

Oliver beats both of them by default IMO.

I thought Stewart was overrated in the past but I’m enjoying his Daily Show comeback.
 

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What are you thinking nowadays?

Maher’s mind has been totally ruined by the Trump era and Colbert’s falloff is even worse (by far— I see him as totally worthless since he went to CBS).

Oliver beats both of them by default IMO.

I thought Stewart was overrated in the past but I’m enjoying his Daily Show comeback.
Still cant get into the guy (NO HOMO YOU SICK FUCKS!). Maybe its his accent i cant get past, but i probably havent watched since this thread was started. Time flies YP.

And you're right on Maher. His incessant whining and "anti-woke" soft conservative pandering bullshit has turned me away from him the past few years.

Stewart's still the best of the bunch. I catch his show when i can.
 

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I like the show a lot and it is clear and informative. The recent episode breaking down the West Bank is good.
 
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