Israel Declares War After Hamas Attacks
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That's why Israelis are dancing around that ceasefire cuz they don't want to admit that they lost !
I read something that Trump said, “Hey agree to the ceasefire and y’all can break it after yall get the hostages”He was supposed to be THEIR man !
That sounds about right
but don’t seem like Hamas has signed the ceasefire deal.“In the last hours, #Hamas is busy scrutinizing every word in the agreement, not just the words and small details, but the position of the word in the sentence and its various interpretations and intent so that it is not deceived or manipulated...
Broadcaster: Isn't it enough for them that we clearly declare a ceasefire and withdrawal from #Gaza?
- No, they don't trust us. They fear that we will write a general sentence that will be an introduction to the return of war. Their main goal is to end the war and withdraw the army, and they will not allow anything less than that, no matter the pressure.”
I bet Trump is arranging it so the cease-fire can begin after his inauguration on January 20th.
How Trump’s ‘salty’ envoy may have forced Israel’s hand on hostage deal
Tue, January 14, 2025 at 10:21 AM CSTSteve Witkoff
The call last week from Donald Trump’s Middle East envoy was reportedly blunt and short on diplomatic nicety.
Steven Witkoff is said to have told aides to Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, that he was headed to Israel on Saturday afternoon.
When informed that would be in the middle of the sabbath, but the prime minister could meet in the evening, his reply was apparently “salty” and clear, according to Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper.
The sabbath did not interest Mr Witkoff, the aides were told.
Mr Netanyahu duly went to his office to meet the US envoy, who afterwards jetted back to Qatar to push further on a ceasefire deal to end the war in Gaza.
The exchange over the weekend illustrated how negotiations stretching more than a year on how to end the war had been shaken up by the impending Trump administration, Israeli sources said.
With Israel and Hamas said to be on the brink of agreeing a ceasefire deal after months of heavy diplomatic efforts, it may be Mr Trump’s election victory which provides the final impetus to get an agreement over the line.
Hamas has accepted a draft agreement for a ceasefire and the release of dozens of Israeli hostages, according to officials involved in the talks, although the last details were being finalised on Tuesday and the plan would still need to be submitted to the Israeli cabinet for final approval.
The enemies have been discussing how to end the Gaza war by swapping Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners for more than a year.
‘Hostages Square’ in Tel Aviv, where Israelis remember the captives of Hamas - Kai Pfaffenbach/Reuters
Discussions stretched into months of secret talks, spurred on by mediation from regional and global power brokers, particularly Washington, Qatar and Egypt.
While both sides had broadly agreed on the principle of halting the fighting in return for the release of hostages held by Hamas, and Palestinian detainees held by Israel, the detail and choreography had remained elusive.
Hamas has always insisted that any deal must lead to a permanent end to the war and Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.
Israel said it would not end the war until Hamas had been comprehensively dismantled.
Throughout 2024, these sticking points proved insurmountable and caused talks to falter repeatedly.
Yet now, the change of administrations in Washington has provided not just a deadline and focus for negotiations, but also injected a dose of uncertainty which has focused minds.
Joe Biden and his team have redoubled effortsto try to seal a deal and get a return on their intense diplomacy before they leave office.
At the same time, the prospect of a maverick, unpredictable Trump presidency has focused minds across the board.
The president-elect has warned that “all hell will break out” if hostages held by Hamas are not released by his inauguration on Jan 20.
At the same time, Mr Netanyahu has reportedly come under significant pressure to accept a deal similar to the the phased approach he rejected as far back as May 2024.
As Mr Trump’s close ally, Mr Witkoff has attended talks alongside Brett McGurk, Mr Biden’s envoy, with the Biden team saying it is vital that Trump officials who will inherit any deal are involved.
As he has shuttled from the Gulf to Israel, he has reportedly put pressure on Mr Netanyahu to give ground.
The Florida property investor is close to the president-elect and was on the golf course with Mr Trump in September when a man is alleged to have attempted to kill the then presidential candidate.
A senior Israeli diplomat told Haaretz: “Witkoff isn’t a diplomat. He doesn’t talk like a diplomat, he has no interest in diplomatic manners and diplomatic protocols.
“He’s a businessman who wants to reach a deal quickly and charges ahead unusually aggressively.”
Attempts at negotiation first began weeks after Hamas fighters stormed into Israel, killing 1,200 people and taking 251 Israeli and foreign hostages.
Furious Israeli retaliation centred on heavy bombardment inside the Strip and a full scale ground invasion which between them have killed more than 46,000 Palestinians, according to the Hamas-run health ministry. Most of Gaza’s population has been displaced.
The first fruits of talks were seen six weeks after the war began. On Nov 21 2023, the enemies announced a seven-day truce to exchange hostages held in Gaza for Palestinians jailed in Israel, and to let in more aid.
About half the hostages – women, children and foreigners – were released in return for 240 Palestinian women and teenage prisoners and detainees. Fighting then resumed on Dec 1.
In the months that followed, talks were on and off again.
The United States, Qatar – which had hosted a Hamas base in Doha since 2012 – and Egypt, neighbouring Israel, all made efforts to mediate.
Gradually, a phased approach emerged and was put on the table in May, but rejected.
Several sticking points have since stopped any deal going forward.
In the first stage, Hamas would release the most vulnerable hostages and Israeli forces would pull back from some areas, allowing some Palestinians to return to their homes and a surge of humanitarian aid.
That would be followed by a second step, negotiated during the first, when the rest of the living hostages would be released in exchange for a lasting ceasefire and the withdrawal of Israeli forces.
A woman holds a sign to remind passing motorists of the Israelis held hostage in Gaza - Hazem Bader/AFP via Getty
However, Hamas has said it will not release the remaining hostages, its most valuable bargaining chip, without assurances that the war will end.
Meanwhile, Mr Netanyahu has said Israel will not end the war until it has destroyed Hamas’ military and governing abilities so that the militant group no longer poses a threat.
The opponents have also clashed on their visions for post-war Gaza. Israel says Hamas can never again rule Gaza, but the group still controls much of the territory.
How these obstacles might be overcome remains unclear, but by Tuesday, the two sides were said to be at their closest yet to signing a deal.
Hamas said it had accepted a draft agreement for a ceasefire in the Strip and the release of dozens of hostages.
An Israeli official said progress has been made, but the details were being finalised.
The plan would need to be submitted to the Israeli cabinet for approval.
If a deal is clinched in the coming days, then both Mr Trump and Mr Biden will try to take the credit.
Jake Sullivan, the US national security adviser, said on Monday: “It’s there for the taking, so the question is now can we all collectively seize the moment and make this happen.”
Still, “we’ve been here before, we’ve been close before and haven’t gotten across the finish line”.
Having it before would be great talking points for him if he’s did before.
“It didn’t get don’t until my envoy joined the talks. Them Hamas people are some tough negotiators. I told Bibi you have to get this over with buddy, if they act up afterwards we gonna level the place. This something sleepy joe couldn’t do”
“I made is clear to Hamas months agree, give the hostage back before I get into office. They knew I meant business and was scared. I would’ve been scared to. You know we have the best military in the history of the world”
It reminds of what Ronald Reagan did to Jimmy Carter, Reagan told the Iranians to hold those US hostages in Iran until I'm inaugurated. & that's what the Iranians did and that made Reagan look like some hero to many.
"On January 20, 1981, the hostages were finally freed—but only after Ronald Reagan had been sworn in as president."
I read something that Trump said, “Hey agree to the ceasefire and y’all can break it after yall get the hostages”
That sounds about right
“In the last hours, #Hamas is busy scrutinizing every word in the agreement, not just the words and small details, but the position of the word in the sentence and its various interpretations and intent so that it is not deceived or manipulated...
Broadcaster: Isn't it enough for them that we clearly declare a ceasefire and withdrawal from #Gaza?
- No, they don't trust us. They fear that we will write a general sentence that will be an introduction to the return of war. Their main goal is to end the war and withdraw the army, and they will not allow anything less than that, no matter the pressure.”
Hamas ninjas ain't fools they know that a ceasefire now means that the Israelis have lost and they'll try anything to save face !
Yep, the ceasefire with Lebanon been in affect and the IDF have bombed them each day since
Yep, the ceasefire with Lebanon been in affect and the IDF have bombed them each day since
Yep ! that's how the IDF flex its muscles when facing people who respect ceasefire deals or collapsed regime (Syria) that army is now officially a JOKE !
I’ve heard this before that the IDF haven’t beat anyone
They really haven’t did nothing in Gaza…
Hezbollah fought them to a stance still until the Lebanon people asked to stop…
Bomb Syrians but hand to hand combat don’t seem to end well for them
IDF's reputation came after that Yom Kippur war
but after what we've witnessed so far on all those fronts (Gaza, Lebanon) we can assume that they're now an empty shell even worst than that they can't adapt in an asymmetrical situation ! it's over !
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I forgot Iran Israelis are strong against the weak and weak against the strong !
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I think that’s why the agreeing to these ceasefire…
I read someone saying, if they conquer all of the Middle East they would never have success in Gaza….
Fuck I don’t know why I didn’t post that shit
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their problem is that a free Palestine is taking shape unable to defeat Hezbollah and Hamas -> all those settlements/kibbutz at the border with Lebanon ant those surrounding Gaza will stay empty !
Relatives of captives ‘fearful’ that ceasefire deal may not bring everyone home
Family members of captives held by Hamas in Gaza have expressed concerns about the terms of the deal and whether their relatives will all be released.
“We are extremely worried and fearful about the possibility of the agreement not being fully completed and some of the kidnapped remaining in captivity,” they said in a statement.
“We call and demand for a swift agreement that ensures all conditions are met to bring everyone back.”
Right…. A report was published that many Israelis don’t want to return to the northern occupied territory of Palestine
The idea of shit popping off haven’t been wasted from thoughts
Seem like the deal is agreed upon
“BREAKING: The majority of Israeli troops are seen withdrawing from the Salahuddeen Axis – the first major sign of an imminent ceasefire”
“BREAKING: Israeli forces are beginning to leave the Philadelphi Corridor”
“BREAKING: U.S. President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will both give a speech today”
“BREAKING: There will be a press conference in Doha tonight, led by the Qatari Prime Minister”
“BREAKING: Hamas' delegation, led by Khalil Al-Hayya, has officially delivered the approval of the ceasefire to the mediators Egypt and Qatar – Hamas to Al Jazeera”
“BREAKING: The majority of Israeli troops are seen withdrawing from the Salahuddeen Axis – the first major sign of an imminent ceasefire”
“BREAKING: Israeli forces are beginning to leave the Philadelphi Corridor”
“BREAKING: U.S. President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will both give a speech today”
“BREAKING: There will be a press conference in Doha tonight, led by the Qatari Prime Minister”
“BREAKING: Hamas' delegation, led by Khalil Al-Hayya, has officially delivered the approval of the ceasefire to the mediators Egypt and Qatar – Hamas to Al Jazeera”