Israel Declares War After Hamas Attacks
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You're confusing me with someone else, I didn't bring up the issue of Iran. You're talking about someone else.
I brought up Iran taking in immigrants and helping in times of peace, then you came in and said most don't want to leave. Like I said, those who want to stay should stay and those who want to be able to and be welcomed by Muslim countries.You're confusing me with someone else, I didn't bring up the issue of Iran. You're talking about someone else.
Again, I never said anything about Iran, you're creating red herrings and you're trying to put words in my mouth. & I did not say "most don't want to leave.." I said "a lot" which is different than "most." Man, you just be making stuff up, don't you?
Yeah, there is no neutral place, either you're on the side of genocide or not: I agree.
And you still arguing just to argue.
Do you disagree that Iran and other Muslim countries should help the Palestinian people in times of peace?
Help them with what exactly? To leave their own home?
You are attempting to gaslight me with that "arguing just to argue" comment when I was simply correcting your incorrect statement about what I said.
As for your comment about the Muslim countries, your premise is misleading: this isn't about religion. This is a racist white settler population using their white supremacist beliefs to dispossess a native population of their land. That's all it is. Nothing more nothing less.
Tell me what Iran is doing. I don't speak Arabic, so what are they even saying in the first vid?
In the second vid, one dude says they are helping, but doesn't say how, so what am I supposed to get from that.
You have to learn that posting 10 sec Twitter vids doesn't mean anything because a 10 sec vid is not enough. You believe Iran is helping in war and in peace, you tell me how. You explain it.
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Complete bullshit, most Israeli’s in Israel aren’t “white” and look just like Palestinians which is why this is genocide they killing basically their own people with a different religion.
No this is not about religion. It is about keeping would be Palestinian immigrants in comfortable settings. That's the help I am talking about. But there's a lot more they can also do, politically, socially, economically... Like I said, in times of peace.
Does anyone in this thread think the 2 state solution is the most just one?
The solution is one state with equal rights but that's not something the US or Israel want
I have yet to encounter an American Israeli who looks anything Middleastern-ish.
In my experience, they've all been snow European white.
I'm certain they exist in Israel, but that Ashkenazi/Ukrainian theory gains ground with more each passing day.
If that is something Palestinians want why did they vote for Hamas?
That’s because the ones here are largely Europeans . Of course the ones in the Middle East will look like everyone else. Just look at how Jesus was described. All those Jews you see around NYC and the rest of the states are Russians and other cacs
I asked about a solution, not a fantasy.
No, Israel isn't about to be just be abolished and renamed Palestine.
So realistically what are you thinking?
What is your main point? You keep on inferring that Palestinians don't belong on their own land and you want to move them.
It’s a nuanced conflict and far from a “one winner takes all” scenario. We’ll never know. There’s only ever been one Goliath in this story. I would say that you have to remember that Jews were expelled from multiple nations, consistently, throughout the course of human history. So either Jews are wrong or the world is wrong. I’ll leave that for you to decide but know, it’s not JUST the Arabs that hate them, so that context is important in answering your question.
That being said, they’ve lived relatively peacefully with each other for 1500 years prior, including Christian’s as well, before this little 75 year old conflict. This new conflict in the modern day is CAC fueled, full stop.
I do believe however, given this thread with some examples posted and many of the people you talk to on the ground, that Israeli & Palestinian people don’t hate each other the way their governments and media want you to believe. They're collateral damage in this. Sure some of Bibi’s latest fascism will pour into the newer generations cause war is all they’ve known, but on the ground its different when these people have lived together since the Middle Ages. It’s the same with Americans when we travel outside the states. People outside believe we represent our government until you show them otherwise and they found out, “damn, this dude is decent.”
You said it right here:
The actual people on the ground are usually starting from a losing position and have little say in the matter.
If there was ever any chance at a two state solution, Hamas most likely tossed that out the window now.
Desperate people turned to a maniac in their desperation and might have signed their own extermination.
What was the alternative that was gonna give them this solution?
Primarily in the west are they Ashkenazi white. Outside the west, they mostly look like Sadaam Hussein.
That isn't what I'm implying at all. Here's a simple example, during every war people are displaced because homes get blown up. Other countries can chose to accept them as refugees or not. Do you think other Muslim countries should accept Palestinian refugees created by this current conflict?
Other countries who are NOW saying they want to help Palestinians, like Lebanon, like Iran, like Quarter, talking about sending volunteer soldiers and stuff like that...They need to be there for Palestinians in times of peace too.
Instead they only pop up when it's convenient, using Palestinian deaths and Hamas because they themselves are in conflict with Israel.
You think Iran would be happy if peace was achieved between Israel and Palestinians?
Hamas was actually the one group most against your idea of one nation called Israel with everyone living together.