Israel Declares War After Hamas Attacks
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The crazy part is that a good % of the Black people we are talking about in the region wouldn't see themselves as Black like Us if they were in the US. Sudanese and then Eritrean/Ethiopian after that get wild racist treatment both in the Arab world but also Israel. However, all of them have a strong DR style "me no Black" element in certain classes. It is also funny when you consider that pretty much everybody on this board of a certain age had a father/uncle etc. that was telling them about our roots in Egypt while actual Egyptians are currently upset about Us claiming Egypt.
But the journey through musical history that the 'Kemet: Egypt in Hip-Hop, Jazz, Soul & Funk' exhibition offers has enraged Egyptian authorities, which have accused the museum of "falsifying history" with its "Afrocentric" approach, which they believe seeks to appropriate Egyptian culture.
The museum's archaeologists have reportedly been banned from the necropolis at Saqqara, south of Cairo, a key site for digs. Staff at the museum were shocked, as they have been active for nearly five decades at the vast burial site, a UNESCO World Heritage site, and are currently leading an excavation there.
Museum director Wim Weijland was quoted by the Dutch newspaper NRC as saying that Egypt's reaction was "unseemly".
Why is Egypt saying 'funk you' to Dutch museum's 'Kemet' exhibition?
What was meant to be an empowering celebration of "Egypt in hip-hop, jazz, soul and funk" has instead turned into a culture war...
www.euronews.com
Like I said a while back in this thread, don't bring up the 25th dynasty to Egyptians.
Fascinating question about if folks know Palestinians. I do. Palestinian Americans who can't return home, as well as Palestinians who live in 48, East Jerusalem, and The West Bank. Muslim Palestinians, Christian Palestinians, Druze Palestinians. I've chilled in the African Quarter of Jerusalem, drank tea in the only (I think) Black owned tea shop in the Old City, Bassem's, and chopped it up with Afro Palestinians in Jericho. I've been from the top of Palestine (Acca) to the south (Hebron) and hella places in between including Jaffa, Haifa, Ramallah, and the off the grid bedouin village of Khan Al Ahmar. Here's my thread discussing my time there (apologies for the missing pics, gotta re-upload):
My time in Palestine (requested post)
So a while ago I was asked to create this post, but I procrastinated. I spent a few weeks in Palestine (there is no such thing as Israel, land wise) and it changed my life. I went with a delegation of artists/activists/educators. And I’ll start at the beginning. Warning, Colin didn’t approve...
www.bgol.us
Have you been to The West Bank? If so, where about?
It's just his way of generalizing an entire group of people.
Gotcha
Maybe a titanic ending is what is expected. As a people, it’s the 11th hour for Palestinians right now. Genocide is knocking at the front door. What’s the play here? The only chance you stand to walk out of this with some power or leverage is to get Iran/Hezbollah involved or face extermination.
I don’t see any other move they could’ve made.
All 3 can be true.
We know Hamas has strong funding from Qatar, $30 million let’s say … would you use it on the people for basic needs, or supply it’s military for a solid attack on the enemy? One of them is gonna have to take an L in that scenario and we know full well the quality of life in Gaza.
That’s the first two down..
As far as Israel goes, their biggest regret may lie in not finishing this before the advent of the internet because the world is now watching a population meet its end. There’s gonna be some kind of backlash if it happens cause you’re right. Why not just end this today?
1. Either they can’t … cause their military isn’t that well equipped
2. They’re scared … as we’re watching the list of war crimes grow by the second
3. Or they won’t … with the slimmest chance of peace on the table
The fact they haven’t yet, leans into one of these 3.
If it comes to it, there’s no question they would. We’ll see how it plays out.
Jon Stewart may be the most rational white man on the planet.
He’s 98% on the money (all pun intended and you’ll find out why inna sec) but he’s forgetting the one thing the global south doesn’t hate or reject:
And so long as that exists, people will rally behind Israel regardless of what atrocities were seeing. In fact, it’s happening in real time as we speak.
Call me when he sorts that conundrum out.
The crazy part is that a good % of the Black people we are talking about in the region wouldn't see themselves as Black like Us if they were in the US. Sudanese and then Eritrean/Ethiopian after that get wild racist treatment both in the Arab world but also Israel. However, all of them have a strong DR style "me no Black" element in certain classes. It is also funny when you consider that pretty much everybody on this board of a certain age had a father/uncle etc. that was telling them about our roots in Egypt while actual Egyptians are currently upset about Us claiming Egypt.
But the journey through musical history that the 'Kemet: Egypt in Hip-Hop, Jazz, Soul & Funk' exhibition offers has enraged Egyptian authorities, which have accused the museum of "falsifying history" with its "Afrocentric" approach, which they believe seeks to appropriate Egyptian culture.
The museum's archaeologists have reportedly been banned from the necropolis at Saqqara, south of Cairo, a key site for digs. Staff at the museum were shocked, as they have been active for nearly five decades at the vast burial site, a UNESCO World Heritage site, and are currently leading an excavation there.
Museum director Wim Weijland was quoted by the Dutch newspaper NRC as saying that Egypt's reaction was "unseemly".
Why is Egypt saying 'funk you' to Dutch museum's 'Kemet' exhibition?
What was meant to be an empowering celebration of "Egypt in hip-hop, jazz, soul and funk" has instead turned into a culture war...
Like I said a while back in this thread, don't bring up the 25th dynasty to Egyptians.
Also stated earlier, lower and upper Egypt are two different monsters entirely.
I met this FINE ass woman at the Library of Alexandria, who was born is Aswan, raised in Qena but lived in Alexandria and she mentioned the backlash she received from the Cairo populous and all points north during her time there. She said she felt comfortable speaking about with foreigners because we were empathetic and understanding but to raise the issue and awareness in lower Egypt was an absolute no no and could have consequences.
In lower Egypt, you’ll learn about the Arabs more than anything else, as they are the dominant population but travel down to upper Egypt, and it’s a different story entirely. You’ll encounter Black people who are proud af to be black, as far as the eye can see.
There’s an undeniable feeling when a black Egyptian in Egypt says, “welcome home brother.”
American media employs the tactic of pigeon-holing, rather than actually debating ideas as other countries do.
Even our “debates”, in terms of Presidential debates, are an exercise in “yes or no” questions. Congressional hearings also employ this tactic. We don’t do well with context, nuance or complexity in this country.
It always has to be one thing or another.
David Weiss has always been a straight shooter with me. Although he represents a small percentage of Jews, his message is always of peace. I can appreciate that.
That was incredible insight to Palestine and it’s people. Thank you for sharing it.
I bumped it since I feel it’s important for folks to know what it like there.
So much of the thread felt like my own travel experiences when it comes down to the people, the cultures, the FOOD, the women etc. Very humbling and makes you appreciate home a bit more. Makes you realize how good you have it vs everyone else.
If and when this ever dies down and is safe once again, I’ll be on a flight out there off the strength of your thread, no question.
Thanks again.
I'm surrounded by and live amongst Palestinians, Kurds, & so called 'Gypsies'. All of us looking for a place to call 'home'.
30-40% of my students are Palestinians. We have socio/geopolitical discussions often. Kids are more aware than we think.
The kids love me. They absolutely love black culture. They parents show the utmost respect in my presence.
That was incredible insight to Palestine and it’s people. Thank you for sharing it.
I bumped it since I feel it’s important for folks to know what it like there.
So much of the thread felt like my own travel experiences when it comes down to the people, the cultures, the FOOD, the women etc. Very humbling and makes you appreciate home a bit more. Makes you realize how good you have it vs everyone else.
If and when this ever dies down and is safe once again, I’ll be on a flight out there off the strength of your thread, no question.
Thanks again.
Fam, I'll link you with my people's over there when you go. Jerusalem was dope, and Haifa was pretty, but I enjoyed Ramallah the most. It's odd because it's being developed as basically the capital of the West Bank so some blocks are super dope, then others there's rubble. But the people were nice as shit, the women were fine as hell, and the food was the shit. I ate so much and somehow lost weight while I was there. Hebron was the most depressing shit I've ever witnessed, but the people were resilient and amazing.
Yea I get that but seem like religious beliefs is the root, I may be wrong tho
My ninajs don’t leave no rocks unturnedraaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwww
bof of them
Sounds good man, can’t wait.
I mentioned earlier in this thread that my pops worked for the UN for decades, so Palestine/Israel is somewhere he lived for a long time and held close to his heart. He always mentioned the cities he was stationed in from Ramallah to Haifa to Jericho, Nabulus, Hebron and said they’re beautiful in their own way. Some amazing, others ran down due to war, but a mix of both overall and a sight to behold once you understand where you are. As you mentioned previously, life changing.
How’s the movement there? Egypt, more or less is a free country when it comes to freedom of movement, which is like most places I go. I like to be free to do my own thing and visit certain areas on my own accord, but knowing movement is somewhat limited in Palestine and constant run ins with IDF it seems, i’m assuming it’s best to go with a local guide? And ofc with that little blue US passport in hand
Definitely best to know folks if you're gonna be moving in and out of The West Bank. They'll know the best checkpoints at what time to go through for time purposes. Also there are some set checkpoints that are there all the time, but then they have pop-up ones randomly on roads. The IDF will give you dirty looks and try to intimidate you but they're fucking children who are ultimately afraid of that blue passport. Every time one tried some shit I just flashed that jawn and they got in check. Made me realize the privilege I had.
While it's not illegal to go to The West Bank don't tell folks at the airport that's where you're going or they may turn you around. They don't need a reason not to let you in. I only mentioned the places in 48 that I was going to; Jerusalem, Haifa, Jaffa, and Nazareth (we ended up not going to Nazareth though. We were supposed to link with some emcees there).
Don't be surprised if people randomly wanna come up to talk to you. Palestinians stopped me in every city to talk. Especially in the north (Haifa and Acca/Acre) Like literally pulled their cars over and double parked in some cases. They were friendly and in most cases invited us to their houses for food or tea.
Lastly, be vigilant if you maneuver through West Jerusalem. We were buzzing and walking back to our hotel from this bar and the homie who'd been there the most thought he knew a shortcut. We got lost on the West side. We had young Zionists following us the entire way. I think they wanted to start some shit but we're all pretty tall so they just talked shit to us from a distance. With the exception of this old ass Zionist at a gas station I almost got into a fight with. Pretty sure he called me a nigg*r in Hebrew. I told him I'd wash him before the fam pulled me away. I really gotta learn to chill.
Also, don't be shocked if you get detained at Tel Aviv Ben Gurion for a while. Especially if you have certain stamps on your passport. They detained my home Gabe for a couple hours interrogating him about his trip to Egypt. They stopped me literally when I got off the flight (which was routed through Moscow, Aeroflot, never fly them fam! lol). Not for anything on my passport, but because I'm Black. She admitted it. She was trying to get me to say I knew the only other Black person on the flight. It was weird as shit. I kept my cool and they let me go after a while.
Yeah this sounds like Egypt to a tee, in terms of walking around and people just randomly coming up to you and talking to you. I’ve seen whole cars bust U-turns, just to have a conversation. Made you feel a little super-starish not gon lie, but similar to Palestinians, folks are very humble and appreciative of your time to entertain them. I’m usually on guard about stuff like that but it slowly begins to peel away the more and more you get immersed in the culture.
One guy invited us to dinner at his family home, which an American is rather strange just because we don’t do that stuff here, but over there it’s common practice and you know that it’s coming from a well-meaning place. And again, the food is nuts. Eat like a pig and just lose all kindsa weight.
Looks like I’m gonna have to renew my passport and get a set of fresh empty pages or I’m fucked lol ..
But yea, I’m used to Israeli’s and their lack of, what we call decorum, so it’ll be what it’s gon be. Be interesting to see what these right wing Isaraeli Zionists are about. I’m sure it’s no comparison to the ones we see in the US, so I’m sure they talk more shit and do the most, until they realize their shit talking is only backed by the very country I’m from.