NBA Finals 2016-2017 - Golden State wins NBA title 4-1 vs Cleveland Cavaliers...great series!!!

Who's gonna win the trilogy?


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Spectrum

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Peace,



Can't deny much of this except the system a player plays in makes a difference. The willingness of the team to share the ball and "run the offense" (goddamned Bills :smh:) makes a difference.

The team is made up (besides Durant) of primarily players who do well at spotting up and shooting. It fits their skill set to share the ball and score assisted points. They're doing what they're good at and what the personnel was meant to do... that's why it's not a coincidence that late it games they're looking to Durant...the one player on the team who can consistently get a good shot from anywhere on the court. There are teams that are better constructed for set-plays in a half court offense and others who are constructed to play this style of game. it's just ball movement.. it's not a system. The Spurs run a system.
 

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and Lebron was one assist away from a triple double with 39 points. This doesn't hurt his legacy. kyre did what he did last season... it's just that Warriors have Durant...nothing more.
:yes: If anything it shows how great of a team the Warriors are, and this has nothing to do with how great of a player LeBron is or isn't..
 

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and Lebron was one assist away from a triple double with 39 points. This doesn't hurt his legacy. kyre did what he did last season... it's just that Warriors have Durant...nothing more.
I DONT want to argue with you Bruh.... just asking a question. So, to your point about Legacy, the fact that LeBron disappears in the second half, only avg 3 pts in the 4th quarter in games where GS really hasnt been pulling away until the 2nd half, AND getting outplayed in crunch time by KD, doesnt hurt his legacy? If now, why doesnt it?
 

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and Lebron was one assist away from a triple double with 39 points. This doesn't hurt his legacy. kyre did what he did last season... it's just that Warriors have Durant...nothing more.

And Durant takes less than 20 shots and still can get up 25-30 pts

The ill shit in all of this is Curry averaging 28pts 9rebs and 9 assist a game and no one is talking about that lol
 

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Peace,

and Lebron was one assist away from a triple double with 39 points. This doesn't hurt his legacy. kyre did what he did last season... it's just that Warriors have Durant...nothing more.

Agree with this. This really has very little to do with Lebron. No one transcendent player can beat a team with 2/3 of the best players in the world, the 2 best shooters we've ever seen and role players that could easily start on every other team in the league.
 
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Peace,

I DONT want to argue with you Bruh.... just asking a question. So, to your point about Legacy, the fact that LeBron disappears in the second half, only avg 3 pts in the 4th quarter in games where GS really hasnt been pulling away until the 2nd half, AND getting outplayed in crunch time by KD, doesnt hurt his legacy? If now, why doesnt it?

I know you're asking Spectrum but I think fatigue has got to have something to do with it. Also, it's not going to hurt his legacy because he's playing against a once-in-a-lifetime powerhouse.
 

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Yea... i thought he was a Tobe stan. Never see him talk current Bulls.. He mentions Bron alot tho.

Nah hes one of them NY niggas that was a Bulls fan in the 90s cuz of Jordan then became a Laker fan in the 00s cuz Kobe reminded him so much of him.

MJs former coach and Kobes dads ex teammate Doug Collins, openly compared Kobe to MJ his rookie season on NBC broadcasts when he was warming the bench. No one batted an eye because the ring arguments stans rely on didnt exist yet. You can pull it up on youtube.

LeBron had to dominate for 14 seasons and wait til he broke MJs playoff scoring record for it to be OK to compare. And many of his dickriders still say its blasphemy. :lol:
 

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and Lebron was one assist away from a triple double with 39 points. This doesn't hurt his legacy. kyre did what he did last season... it's just that Warriors have Durant...nothing more.

Exactly

Like I said man they replaced Barnes with KD

If it still hasn't sunk in yet I don't know what to tell ya

The Cavs had nothing for that and Lebron knew it that's why he was trying to get "more help" it wasn't to get out the Eastern Conference it was for these niggas
 

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Yea... i thought he was a Tobe stan. Never see him talk current Bulls.. He mentions Bron alot tho.
u see what u wanna see..in many knick threads whenever phil jackson do some fucked up shit i always say he's rocking a bulls jersey underneath his button up cause he's still fucking over the knicks..i've mention how i hated the knicks and basically became a bull fan cause of them.. i hate almost every ny team except the giants..i've mention this various times most of my sports team is anti ny thinks to my cuzz..i've mention many times how rose goin down fucked up my squad... i mention how rip hamilton was a waste of money, only reason why u call me a kobe stan cause my anti rants against lebron.. all lebron stans are the same if u don't care for lebron u gotta be a jordan dickrider or kobe stan in ya book.. juss cause i think mj better than lebron don't mean im a stan juss because i can give props to kobe mean i'm a stan.. u would notice my lebron insults cause ya very protective of that man..ya nigs like t cells and get together and attack whenever u hear insults against lebron
 

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The Cavs had nothing for that and Lebron knew it that's why he was trying to get "more help" it wasn't to get out the Eastern Conference it was for these niggas
He tried to tell yall he needed another playmaker.. Yall said he was "begging" tho. :smh:
 

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Yo I put on NBA 2k17 and had GS play the 96 bulls on CPU mode and watched the game the whole way through... GS beat the bulls 118 to 113 and check this out Durant didn't even play lol
Damn! That shit doesnt bode well for the league fam....

I was trippin when I realized Steph had more rebounds last nite than Tristan has the whole damn series :lol:
 
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Nah hes one of them NY niggas that was a Bulls fan in the 90s cuz of Jordan then became a Laker fan in the 00s cuz Kobe reminded him so much of him.

MJs former coach and Kobes dads ex teammate Doug Collins, openly compared Kobe to MJ his rookie season on NBC broadcasts when he was warming the bench. No one batted an eye because the ring arguments stans rely on didnt exist yet. You can pull it up on youtube.

LeBron had to dominate for 14 seasons and wait til he broke MJs playoff scoring record for it to be OK to compare. And many of his dickriders still say its blasphemy. :lol:
stop it..never been a laker fan..i hate shaq.. been a bull fan since late 80's never jumped ship..unlike you who was a gay admirer of jordan b4 he shitted on your life..notice u never mention who you like b4 lebron laced them up... 2 yrs and counting who was your team b4 lebron lace them king t??? u still haven't answered that question
 

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Exactly

Like I said man they replaced Barnes with KD

If it still hasn't sunk in yet I don't know what to tell ya

The Cavs had nothing for that and Lebron knew it that's why he was trying to get "more help" it wasn't to get out the Eastern Conference it was for these niggas
Not only did the Warriors get better with KD, West and McGee the Cavs roll players JR, Shumpert and Thompson has taken a step back.. Even Irving is not as good as he was last year....
 

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And Durant takes less than 20 shots and still can get up 25-30 pts

The ill shit in all of this is Curry averaging 28pts 9rebs and 9 assist a game and no one is talking about that lol

It's a super squad full of some of the best shooters of all time...it just makes it easy for all of them.
 

Spectrum

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Exactly

Like I said man they replaced Barnes with KD

If it still hasn't sunk in yet I don't know what to tell ya


The Cavs had nothing for that and Lebron knew it that's why he was trying to get "more help" it wasn't to get out the Eastern Conference it was for these niggas

I'm still shocked how people are underplaying that.
 

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I DONT want to argue with you Bruh.... just asking a question. So, to your point about Legacy, the fact that LeBron disappears in the second half, only avg 3 pts in the 4th quarter in games where GS really hasnt been pulling away until the 2nd half, AND getting outplayed in crunch time by KD, doesnt hurt his legacy? If now, why doesnt it?

That's not even true.

And after Lebron led all players in scoring, assists, rebounds, steals, and blocks against a 73 win team in the Finals, his legacy was etched in stone. He never even had to step on the court again.
 

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Peace,



Agree with this. This really has very little to do with Lebron. No one transcendent player can beat a team with 2/3 of the best players in the world, the 2 best shooters we've ever seen and role players that could easily start on every other team in the league.

Exactly.
 

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Durant basically has put himself in a Robert Horry, Steve Kerr, Derrick Fisher and James Jones shoes where even if he were to win multiple wins, you cannot say he is better than any of the greats due to it not being his team..
For example even when LeBron was on the Heat, all the final MVP's and regular season MVP's went to LeBron, he was the alpha male on every team he played on..
Durant on the other hand 4th wheel roll on a team that already broke the record for most wins ever, will get as much daps as those guys I just mentioned...
This is why nobody in their right mind would ever claim that Robert Horry was better than Kobe and Jordan even though he has more rings....
And this is why the more rings argument is also silly..

The only way some folks will ever be honest about this subject, is if Durant was to break out after two years and join the Cavs with LeBron, then some of you folks will be saying, yeah the Warriors are still a better team because he wasn't really part of the core that allowed the Warriors to win..

Fact remain, that the Warriors have two choices either ask Durant to play the roll of a roll player, that means take ten shots a game, or ask his high % superstars to allow a lower % superstar to take away their shots... Frankly as a coach I would rather Durant shoot at his .483 clip than have Curry, Thompson or Green shoot....

Unless someone can present an argument that suggest they know ways that having Durant will actually increase shots, then its just mathematics and pie splitting...

Look if a team had 83 shots in a game, and as a team the ones taking the most shots all shot for a higher % than Durant...
How exactly are you going to convince me that having Durant take more shots and the top shooters take less is going to improve the team???
The only way is if they were to turn over the ball less, create more turnovers, have more stops on defense, and or hit more free throws..
But even in the free throw department all of their top guys taking shots are all as good or better than K.D.
There is too much reduncancy with this team, and like I said, all they are doing is redistributing the wealth not creating more of it...

Look at what this fool said; this nigga had the nerve to say KD is in Robert Horry role:lol::lol:; Oh I got more :smh::smh:
 

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This is self exlanitory in his .483 shooting % .. The only way this would come to play is if he was taking shots away form people who shoots less than that, but sorry this is not the case...

Its a give and take thing, and this is why players like Bosh and Love run into problems... There is sort of a bell curve when it comes to shooting, especially for a rhythm shooter, take too many shots and your % goes down, but if you take too few, you never have a chance to catch your rhythm and your shooting % also goes down..
Durant has always been the type of player who had to shoot his way out of his slumps, however with this team, there will be no way for him to do it...
So his adjustment and challenge would be to find a way of being efficient right away with much fewer shots to go around..
Or he can do what he has never done in the NBA, that is find ways of being productive even when he is not scoring....

Lets take the last game vs the Cavs for instance, where the Warriors shot 83 shots..
The player Durant is taking place Barnes shot 10 times, at a 3 for 10 clip, a little under 1 and a half shots made from Durant average...
So by math if Durant were to play that game and not take anyone one shot, the Warriors would have scored a three extra points...
Now if Durant were to take more shots he would have been taking shots away from the other players, remember you have a pie split 83 ways that you have to distribute between the other Warrior players..

I am not disagring with any of that, but the formila is simple, if any player comes on a team where he is forced to take shots away from another player or players, either he has to be of efficient (shooting for a higher %) or bring other things to the table that creates more shots, things such as increase steals, rebounds or blocked shots..
But being that the Warriors core all shoot for a high % even from the 3, I don't see Durant increasing the team shooting % nor do I see him increasing the amount of shots they take... But with him shooting for a lower % than the core, there is a chance that he could actually lower the team shooting stats..

As a fan of the game I would have loved seeing the Warriors get a player like Whiteside, someone who would have given them at least 10 more shots per game, now imagine the Warriors with their shooters having 10 more shots vs the Cavs during the finals...
Now that team would be unstoppable...
But we live in a video game era, where the only stat that counts is points scored, so to these people the concept of creating more shots is foreign..

I never said what will happen, who knows maybe Durant will put on his hard hat dedicating himself to being a perfect complementry roll player, increasing shots by grabbing rebounds and playing shut down defense..
Thats not impossible...
What I am saying is that its not likely and based off what Durant has shown me so far, he is best served on a team that would allow him to take his 19.2 shots he is accustomed to...
Notice I never said that the Warriors wont win it all or wont actually be better, I leave that silly boasting to silly fans... All I am saying is exactly what I said when folks talk about the Cavs getting Wade or Durant, that is the numbers so far do not fit the style of play, even though they are such great players..

I want all of you to see this shit right here :lol::lol:
 

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That's not even true.

And after Lebron led all players in scoring, assists, rebounds, steals, and blocks against a 73 win team in the Finals, his legacy was etched in stone. He never even had to step on the court again.
But he did tho and hes proceesed to choke like a motherfucker...

Dude we are talking about THIS series in which hes averaging 3 ppg in the 4th qtr and KD is outplaying him in crunch time. The second finals hes folded in crunch time like this....
 

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but I think fatigue has got to have something to do with it.
He's never tired when they win. I didn't see anything about him being tired while damn near sweeping thru the East.

They were off for almost a week before the first game.
 
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RoadRage

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He's never tired when they win. I didn't see anything about him being tired while damn near sweeping thru the East.
Please there are plenty of games they win and he is exhausted.... Where have you been at, even when they swept through the east there was concerns about his extended minutes... If it was so easy for someone his age to play this many minuets then they would all do it..
 

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It's a super squad full of some of the best shooters of all time...it just makes it easy for all of them.
The spacing they create is devastating for opposing teams because you can't cheat off their man they gotta play em straight up
 

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nd KD is outplaying him in crunch time. T folded in crunch time like this....

KD ain't got to worry about shit all game. He doesn't need to worry about crashing the boards. He doesn't need to be the team's assist man. Only thing has to do is be a primary scorer at the end of the game. That's an easy job to do. We know what KD is made of... he couldn't do the shit when he was in OKC when he had to carry the squad with one other superstar.
 
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