Official Boxing Thread

[Rollie_Fingaz]

The UK has been where the HW division is the strongest tho so that should hold a lot of weight. He's also had big money fights out there so he can draw money there. I will say that no doubt Hearn has been fucking him over

He fucked him over by not having him fight in America and promoting him more. Even Fury admitted you have to fight in the US to improve your profile. And the ironic part to that is the numbers in his last fight sucked, proving that he needed Wilder more than Wilder needed him to sell a fight. But at least he's trying to get more known in the US.

 

[tpotda]

They need to conquer America to be global star but theres plenty of money just fighting across the pond. AJ been the highest earning HW before he ever crossed the pond, Fury, Bellew, Haye, Khan, Whyte, and goes back to Ricky Hatton and Naseem Hamed etc. UK's always been one of the biggest markets for Boxing. Shit, even Katie Taylor is the highest paid female boxer and the only 1 that made over $1mil last yr. Bob Arum thinks Fury can become a global star and become Undisputed HW champ along with being lineal champ but we'll see how that goes, I really see Arum getting Big Baby Miller licensed in NY and making him Fury's next opp at MSG later this yr

He fucked him over by not having him fight in America and promoting him more. Even Fury admitted you have to fight in the US to improve your profile. And the ironic part to that is the numbers in his last fight sucked, proving that he needed Wilder more than Wilder needed him to sell a fight. But at least he's trying to get more known in the US.

 

[the13thround]

The UK has been where the HW division is the strongest tho so that should hold a lot of weight. He's also had big money fights out there so he can draw money there. I will say that no doubt Hearn has been fucking him over

Two of the top three Heavyweights in the world are Americans.

 

[tpotda]

One you mean, I don't care if Ruiz is born in Imperial Valley which is right at the border, he chose to fight under the Mexican Flag so he's a Mexican HW. Wilder is the only American HW in the top 10 after Big baby miller failed 3 drug tests. 3 of the top 5 HWs are British tho. All those mexicans that live in that part of SD and Mexican border generally hold 2 passports and constantly moving back and forth across the border and rep Mexico more

Two of the top three Heavyweights in the world are Americans.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

They need to conquer America to be global star but theres plenty of money just fighting across the pond. AJ been the highest earning HW before he ever crossed the pond, Fury, Bellew, Haye, Khan, Whyte, and goes back to Ricky Hatton and Naseem Hamed etc. UK's always been one of the biggest markets for Boxing. Shit, even Katie Taylor is the highest paid female boxer and the only 1 that made over $1mil last yr. Bob Arum thinks Fury can become a global star and become Undisputed HW champ along with being lineal champ but we'll see how that goes, I really see Arum getting Big Baby Miller licensed in NY and making him Fury's next opp at MSG later this yr

The big money is fighting in Vegas. All of the big names fight there. Hearn has to stop being pussy and have his fighters fight there.

 

[HeathCliff]

@tpotda I'm curious, who are your top 5 Heavyweights?

Here's mine:

1A - Wilder
1B - Fury
3 - Ruiz
4 - Joshua
5 - Ortiz

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

 

[tpotda]

1 - Fury, went to Germany to beat Wlad, went on a crazy alcohol/coke fueled bender and ballooned up to 400 lbs and after a long layoff came to LA and beat Wilder on pts in my eyes

2- Wilder, resume and technique aren't strong but his right hand whether its straight or overhand is the equalizer, he's always in the fight with any HW for 12 rds as long as he can land that falcon punch. His win over King Kong who was really 49 yrs at the time is not as impressive to me as it might've been to you or some others. If he does rematch Fury and actually KO's fury tho I'll have no choice but to move him up to the #1 spot but til then he's here for me

3- Ruiz, his one L to Parker was a controversial SD that some thought Ruiz got robbed on, he went to New Zealand for it and was matching Parker in speed who is a blur and many believe to be the fastest HW.

4- Whyte, yeah he has a L to AJ but in my eyes he's 1-1 vs AJ as he beat AJ in the amateurs. He also had AJ hurt in their fight when he took the L and since then he's gone on a 9 fight win streak vs good opp, I feel Whyte has looked better since that L to AJ and has gotten better in setting up that left hook of his which also could be a one punch KO like Wilder's right hand. Rivas fight coming up is dangerous as Rivas is a pressure fighter who might give him problems like Chisora did and Whyte we'll see if Whyte can land that left hook to KO Rivas like he did Chisora in the rematch

5-AJ, yeah he has wins vs Wlad, Parker, Whyte, Povetkin, who are all in my top 10 but he's looked only worse since he beat Whyte and Wlad. Wlad caught him with that steel hammer and if he was a bit younger he would've finished him after that before AJ could catch a 2nd wind. Whyte and Povetkin both had him hurt in their fights. AJ has too many glaring weaknesses with gas tank being the biggest 1, footwork, head movement, not a good jab. I think Whyte would've ko'd him with the left hook that night Ruiz beat him the way he looked. AJ barely makes my top 5 right now as I think all 4 HWs I have above him currently would beat him. If he beats Ruiz in the rematch I will move him back up but we'll see how he looks.

I don't have King Kong in my top 5 like you do, he's really 50 yrs old now and I'm not expecting him to look good vs Wilder in upcoming rematch. I have him in the bottom half of my top 10 with Parker, Povetkin, Pulev, Kownacki since I can no longer have Big Baby Miller in my top 10 with those 3 failed drug tests.

@tpotda I'm curious, who are your top 5 Heavyweights?

Here's mine:

1A - Wilder
1B - Fury
3 - Ruiz
4 - Joshua
5 - Ortiz

 

[Pow Wow]

1 - Fury, went to Germany to beat Wlad, went on a crazy alcohol/coke fueled bender and ballooned up to 400 lbs and after a long layoff came to LA and beat Wilder on pts in my eyes

Lets not forget the main reason he was out of the ring for two years stemmed from him testing positive for nandrolone.

Crazy how the media loves to neglect mentioning his PED issues but play up the mental, and alcohol issues.

 

[HeathCliff]

I ain’t got no problem with your list.

Fury cant be #1 in my eyes cause he never defended his belts and his opponents since his return (minus Wilder) has been laughable.

 

[HeathCliff]

Lets not forget the main reason he was our of the ring for two years stemmed from him testing positive for nandrolone.

Crazy how the media loves to neglect mentioning his PED issues but play up the mental, and alcohol issues.

That too

My energy is the same with PED abusers.

 

[tpotda]

@HeathCliff Who do you have as your #1 p4p currently? The last 2 that were clearly p4p #1 to me were Floyd and then Andre Ward but nobody clear cut to me after Ward retired. For me right now i'd have to pick between these 3.

Loma- Had 4 straight opponents go No Mas including the likes of Rigo and Walters. Only blemish on record is the Salido L in his pro debut where Salido came in significantly over weight and fought really dirty with a ton of low blows.

Inoue- Destroyed 3 world class fighters in a row in under 4 rds after moving up to a new weight class. Has 3 devastating punches in his arsenal with left hook, right hook, and left hook to the body. If he beats Donaire in this WBSS final, he should move up to 122 and fight Dogboe and Navarrete, Navarrete should be a difficult match up with his height and length advantage and if Inoue beats him would make a strong case for me as p4p #1

Usyk- Went through the tough WBSS CW tourney which is a tough division to become Undisputed CW champ, did it all in the opponents home countries as well, best CW since Evander Holyfield. If he ends up winning at least 1 HW title if not multiple, he's going to make a strong case for me as p4p #1

 

[Pow Wow]

@HeathCliff Who do you have as your #1 p4p currently? The last 2 that were clearly p4p #1 to me were Floyd and then Andre Ward but nobody clear cut to me after Ward retired. For me right now i'd have to pick between these 3.

Loma- Had 4 straight opponents go No Mas including the likes of Rigo and Walters. Only blemish on record is the Salido L in his pro debut where Salido came in significantly over weight and fought really dirty with a ton of low blows.

Inoue- Destroyed 3 world class fighters in a row in under 4 rds after moving up to a new weight class. Has 3 devastating punches in his arsenal with left hook, right hook, and left hook to the body. If he beats Donaire in this WBSS final, he should move up to 122 and fight Dogboe and Navarrete, Navarrete should be a difficult match up with his height and length advantage and if Inoue beats him would make a strong case for me as p4p #1

Usyk- Went through the tough WBSS CW tourney which is a tough division to become Undisputed CW champ, did it all in the opponents home countries as well, best CW since Evander Holyfield. If he ends up winning at least 1 HW title if not multiple, he's going to make a strong case for me as p4p #1

Crawford has a much better case for being #1 than Loma.

 

[tpotda]

Crawford's resume is too weak for me, blown up Gamboa, washed Khan, Viktor Postol are his best opps

Crawford has a much better case for being #1 than Loma.

 

[Pow Wow]

Crawford's resume is too weak for me, blown up Gamboa, washed Khan, Viktor Postol are his best opps

You mention Loma beating Rigo as some feat, but Rigo moved up two full divisions for that fight.

Loma's last three of Linares, Crolla, and Pedraza aren't murderer's row either.

All in all Crawford's fought more, fought longer, unified all titles at 140 and remained undefeated while doing so.

 

[tpotda]

Rigo was the smaller fighter but Rigo was a top 5 p4p boxer to me at the time, he pitched a shut out on Donaire imo and I see that win as a way better win than the Gamboa win for Crawford. I still view the Rigo, Walters, Russel Jr. as wins over elite opp. I just don't have Crawford top 3 on my p4p list and probably won't be anytime soon since it doesn't seem like Arum's even gonna get him Kell Brook for his next fight who would be his best opp up to this point. All the fighters that could improve his resume are with Al Haymon

You mention Loma beating Rigo as some feat, but Rigo moved up two full divisions for that fight.

Loma's last three of Linares, Crolla, and Pedraza aren't murderer's row either.

All in all Crawford's fought more, fought longer, unified all titles at 140 and remained undefeated while doing so.

 

[HeathCliff]

@HeathCliff Who do you have as your #1 p4p currently? The last 2 that were clearly p4p #1 to me were Floyd and then Andre Ward but nobody clear cut to me after Ward retired. For me right now i'd have to pick between these 3.

Loma- Had 4 straight opponents go No Mas including the likes of Rigo and Walters. Only blemish on record is the Salido L in his pro debut where Salido came in significantly over weight and fought really dirty with a ton of low blows.

Inoue- Destroyed 3 world class fighters in a row in under 4 rds after moving up to a new weight class. Has 3 devastating punches in his arsenal with left hook, right hook, and left hook to the body. If he beats Donaire in this WBSS final, he should move up to 122 and fight Dogboe and Navarrete, Navarrete should be a difficult match up with his height and length advantage and if Inoue beats him would make a strong case for me as p4p #1

Usyk- Went through the tough WBSS CW tourney which is a tough division to become Undisputed CW champ, did it all in the opponents home countries as well, best CW since Evander Holyfield. If he ends up winning at least 1 HW title if not multiple, he's going to make a strong case for me as p4p #1

Man honestly I don't do pound for pounds because the so called experts "The Ring, ESPN, (fill in the blank) et. al" don't all use the same measure and keep it standardized across the board. My standard is who has stood the test of time and has an impressive resumé while moving up in weight. I really don't pay all that no mind because in the end of the day, Pound 4 Pound really don't mean much to me cause #1-#5 won't be getting in the ring and duking it out no time soon to determine who is the true king so I let all the talking heads have at it.

If I were king of the hill I would have Terrance Crawford as the Pound 4 Pound king. And I would eliminate anybody who has only stayed on 1 weight class their whole career aka Golovkin. Crawford is the only current undisputed champion that has earned belts in multiple weight classes.

Most people got Lomachenko but I can't overlook the how nigga had like 11 fights before they started crowning him and Terrance Crawford had a better resumé at the time, and undisputed.

 

[Pow Wow]

Rigo was the smaller fighter but Rigo was a top 5 p4p boxer to me at the time, he pitched a shut out on Donaire imo and I see that win as a way better win than the Gamboa win for Crawford. I still view the Rigo, Walters, Russel Jr. as wins over elite opp. I just don't have Crawford top 3 on my p4p list and probably won't be anytime soon since it doesn't seem like Arum's even gonna get him Kell Brook for his next fight who would be his best opp up to this point. All the fighters that could improve his resume are with Al Haymon

Im w/ you on Rigo. I still love him as a pure boxing talent, but he was on the other side of 35 in the Loma fight. Old, small, and moving up in weight? Meh.

Walters had been out of the ring for about a year before his fight w/ Loma. And the fight before this (Sosa) he arguably lost. Walters was solid, but definitely shouldn't be considered an elite win.

The Russell win is going to age extremely well, but at the time Russell was very unproven w/ an inflated record filled with nothing but cans.

I think Brook is done. The Golovkin fight started it, and the Spence fight cleaned up whatever was left of him.

 

[HeathCliff]

I think Brook is done. The Golovkin fight started it, and the Spence fight cleaned up whatever was left of him.

Yeah I was holding onto dear hope that this wasn't true.

But the way that boy Michael Zerafa was touching him up something mean

Yeah Kell Brooke might be done unfortunately

 

[tpotda]

So the rumor is that Endeavor is looking to acquire PBC for $600 million

 

[HeathCliff]

 

[sickwidit]

So the rumor is that Endeavor is looking to acquire PBC for $600 million

That’s gotta he just a brand move and time buy because none of the fighters are actually signed to PBC.

 

[tpotda]

Cliffs

• Waddell & Reed is desperate to sell to recoup some of their investment.
  
• Endeavor is looking at going the league model and having Haymon stay on in the Dana White role.
  
• The Ali Act could be a problem if they do want to make this the "UFC of Boxing".
• Endeavor tried to buy a piece of TR too

Starts at about 16:50

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

@HeathCliff Who do you have as your #1 p4p currently? The last 2 that were clearly p4p #1 to me were Floyd and then Andre Ward but nobody clear cut to me after Ward retired. For me right now i'd have to pick between these 3.

Loma- Had 4 straight opponents go No Mas including the likes of Rigo and Walters. Only blemish on record is the Salido L in his pro debut where Salido came in significantly over weight and fought really dirty with a ton of low blows.

Inoue- Destroyed 3 world class fighters in a row in under 4 rds after moving up to a new weight class. Has 3 devastating punches in his arsenal with left hook, right hook, and left hook to the body. If he beats Donaire in this WBSS final, he should move up to 122 and fight Dogboe and Navarrete, Navarrete should be a difficult match up with his height and length advantage and if Inoue beats him would make a strong case for me as p4p #1

Usyk- Went through the tough WBSS CW tourney which is a tough division to become Undisputed CW champ, did it all in the opponents home countries as well, best CW since Evander Holyfield. If he ends up winning at least 1 HW title if not multiple, he's going to make a strong case for me as p4p #1

Right now, got to go with Usyk over Inoue (barely). Being undisputed solidified his spot the way it did for Crawford at 140. It could change if and when Inoue wins the WBSS.

I know he just got to heavyweight, but if Usyk strong-arms his way to a title shot and wins he'd be a clear p4p.

 

[tpotda]

Per the California State Athletic Commission, purses for the Top Rank Boxing on ESPN card Friday night at the Pechanga Resort Casino in Temecula: lightweight world titleholder Richard Commey $350k (plus an additional $20k from Ray Beltran’s purse for his failure to make weight), Beltran $160k (after a commission-imposed fine of $40k fine for missing weight); Carlos Adames $30k, Patrick Day $50k, Saul Rodriguez $30k, Miguel Angel Gonzalez $5k, Junior Fa $15k, Dominic Guinn $15k, Vicente Morales $3k, Ruben Rodriguez $4k, Augustine Mauras $3k, Raymond Muratalla $4k, Joaquin Chavez $5k, Elvis Rodriguez $6k, Jose Antonio Meza $4k, Dmitry Yun $5k, Prisco Marquez $3k, Christopher Zavala $5k, Osbaldo Gonzalez $3k, David Kaminsky $3k.

 

[HeathCliff]

The fights this weekend

DAZN


ESPN


Showtime

@21:53, I fucks with that nigga Jermell but he will always make it hard to like him

 

[the13thround]

@21:53, I fucks with that nigga Jermell but he will always make it hard to like him

I'm going to the Charlo fight on Saturday.
Should be exciting for however long it lasts.
And you know Jermell makes me sick.

 

[HeathCliff]

I'm going to the Charlo fight on Saturday.
Should be exciting for however long it lasts.
And you know Jermell makes me sick.

If you end up going to that thing Fred set up, let us know how it turned out.

 

[tpotda]

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Yeah, I was about to post this.

 

[the13thround]

If you end up going to that thing Fred set up, let us know how it turned out.

I'll be tied up during that LDBC event but I'll definitely meet them at the fight.
I went to the press conference yesterday and I met Blue Blood Sports.
Blue Blood, BlackFightFan, Fred, and BoxingEgo are all here.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

I'll be tied up during that LDBC event but I'll definitely meet them at the fight.
I went to the press conference yesterday and I met Blue Blood Sports.
Blue Blood, BlackFightFan, Fred, and BoxingEgo are all here.

Cool.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Hatton knows damned well he never fought like that in his career, even after Floyd Sr. got a hold of him.

 

[Mack1052]

Good fight on ESPN right now. Day vs Adames

 

[shamone]

Im w/ you on Rigo. I still love him as a pure boxing talent, but he was on the other side of 35 in the Loma fight. Old, small, and moving up in weight? Meh.

Walters had been out of the ring for about a year before his fight w/ Loma. And the fight before this (Sosa) he arguably lost. Walters was solid, but definitely shouldn't be considered an elite win.

The Russell win is going to age extremely well, but at the time Russell was very unproven w/ an inflated record filled with nothing but cans.

I think Brook is done. The Golovkin fight started it, and the Spence fight cleaned up whatever was left of him.

and in that spence vs brook fight,that fight was going back and forth until the 8th rd.

 

[the13thround]

Hatton knows damned well he never fought like that in his career, even after Floyd Sr. got a hold of him.

If he would have gone to Floyd 5 years before he did, his career would have lasted much longer.
He fought a bruising, bar fight, take two to land one kinda style.
I wouldn't teach my son to fight like that either.