Shooting throws spotlight on state of U.S. political rhetoric

QueEx · Jan 9, 2011

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<center>Does this type of rhetoric, have consequences ?



while denouncing criticism of her rhetoric as inciting violence.
By telling Americans "it's not a time to retreat, it's a time
to reload," Pain said she was "telling people that
their arms are their votes."


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Costanza said:
at this "taking our country back" rhetoric.

Look at the darker-than-dark black man looking up at Palin.

TEA PARTY EXPRESS RALLY: Palin declares 'we're taking our country back' to an estimated 8,000 supporters

SEARCHLIGHT -- Sarah Palin rallied a sea of Tea Party supporters under a strong mid-day sun Saturday with a call to oust Nevada Sen. Harry Reid and take the country back from the Democrats.

The crowd thousands strong chanted "Run Sarah Run, Run Sarah Run," followed by shouts of "Sarah, Sarah, Sarah," as the former GOP vice presidential running mate took the stage as the larger-than-life symbol of the conservative Republican movement across America that is fed up with government bailouts and health care reform.

"Thank you Tea Party America!" Palin cried.

Palin rallied the crowd for about 15 minutes in a wide-ranging speech that denounced the mainstream media, "Obamacare," a growing federal budget and reliance on foreign energy.

She urged them to use their votes to change the future of the country, while denouncing criticism of her rhetoric as inciting violence.

By telling Americans "it's not a time to retreat, it's a time to reload," Pain said she was "telling people that their arms are their votes."

"Now media, try to get this right, OK?" she said, adding she was trying to inspire people to get involved.

"We still believe this country is exceptional. It's not her politicians that are exceptional. It's her people."

Palin was the main draw of the "Showdown in Searchlight" desert rally in Reid's hometown, which kicked off a 20-day, 44-city tour by the Tea Party Express on its way to Washington, D.C.

She warned that in the coming days Reid would come back to Searchlight and Nevada and try to "sell you a leftist plan," and she urged the crowd not to support him and the Obama administration that she said has been moving the government toward insolvency by bailing out banks and the auto industry.,

Palin said Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and President Barack Obama are part of a "gang" approving socialistic programs.

"Washington has broken faith with the people they are supposed to be cheering," Palin said, reading from a written speech on sheets of paper that fluttered in the desert wind. She urged people to vote the Democrats out in 2010 and tell them, "You're fired."

"We're taking our country back and we're starting right here in Nevada," Palin said.

Near the end of her remarks, Palin said, "America is going to be just fine -- keep up the good work -- if we stick to our principles.

"Let's take back our country ... God bless you all!"

After her speech, people began streaming off the rally site by the hundreds. Rally organizers said the crowd exceeded expectations of 10,000 and people and their campers vehicles were spread out taking up a large part of the 160-acre site, sitting and standing on every spare space, including the desert hills overlooking the cleared space for people to stand before the stage.

Las Vegas police estimated the crowd at 8,000, and said traffic was backed up for five miles.

No trouble was reported, except the Tea Party Express said their bus was egged by Reid supporters as it made its way through Searchlight a couple of miles away from the rally site. The eggs could be seen dripping from the bus' windshield wipers as the convoy arrived on site, but it wasn't possible to verify who threw the eggs.

Meanwhile, Reid, who was in Las Vegas, said about the crowd assembled in Searchlight, "I'm glad they're there. That's what America is all about. It's a democracy."

Reid, who spoke to the media at the official grand opening of the Clark County Shooting Park, said "I'm glad they know I live there. We need the business. Searchlight has been struggling like a lot of places in our country."

Earlier Saturday, dozens of supporters of Reid gathered starting at 8 a.m. on a cold windswept dusty lot across from the Searchlight Nugget.

They put up signs alongside U.S. Highway 95 saying: "Welcome to Reid country" for passing motorists to see on their way to the anti-Reid "Tea Party Express" rally site 2.3 miles outside town.

The small signs competed with a huge billboard that said "Will Rogers never met Harry Reid," a play on Rogers' comment that he never met a man he didn't like.

Beverly Ciciliano of Henderson drove to Searchlight after dawn to support Reid, and she denounced the Tea Party movement for coming to his hometown to target him for defeat.

"I think it's kind of odd to come to someone's hometown," Ciciliano said. "They seem to be pretty angry, and so I wanted to come out here and show my support for Sen. Reid. He's done so much for Nevada."

Judy Hill, who has lived in Searchlight for 35 years and considers herself a friend of Reid's, said "we are not here to be confrontational -- just to show our support, and Sen. Reid needs it."

Asked why Reid seems unpopular according to polls that show him with an all-time low approval rating, Hill shook her head.

"People don't know him," she said. "Harry Reid loves this state. I think he's misunderstood and under appreciated."

The Democratic Party that organized the Reid event said some 200 supporters from Nevada were expected to stop by for tea and donut holes in honor of the Medicare fix in the health care reform law that has riled the Tea Party and Republicans.

Before the rally, the Tea Party Express was leading a convoy of buses from Laughlin more than 30 miles south with buses coming from surrounding states including California, Arizona, Utah and Montana as well as from inside Nevada.

The caravan of buses, RVs, trucks and and even antique cars departed Laughlin shortly before 10 a.m.

The vehicles bore flags, signs and stickers announcing distaste for everything from big government to President Barack Obama to even big business.

About 60 people were on three official Tea Party Express buses, loaded with fliers, T-shirts and public address equipment. A couple dozen onlookers gathered to watch the commotion and follow the buses on the trip to Searchlight.

At the Laughlin departure, former Saturday Night Live performer Victoria Jackson was the biggest celebrity draw.

Jackson mingled for a few minutes before boarding a bus to the event.

"I'm 68 years old and I have never, ever done anything like this before," said Carole Pietras, of San Diego.

Pietras arrived in Laughlin by bus around midnight. She was on the sidewalk with a sign that said "I'm here because I'm a worried grandparent, not a troublemaker."

http://www.lvrj.com/news/palin-issu...e-country-back-from-democrats---89332822.html

thoughtone · Jan 9, 2011

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QueEx said:
<CENTER>Does this type of rhetoric, have consequences ?

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I don't know. I guess the no label people have the answers. Or may be it's the far left's fault.

Their is a truth. Get of the fence.

QueEx · Jan 9, 2011

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thoughtone said:
I don't know. I guess the no label people have the answers. Or may be it's the far left's fault.

Their is a truth. Get of the fence.

Bruh, you seem to have a lil something stuck in your craw. :confused:

QueEx

Costanza · Jan 9, 2011

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I haven't read/seen much about this Arizona shooting but I read that this guy's profile listed The Communist Manifesto (along with other classics such as Mein Kampf) under favorite books. If the fact that the man was a reader doesn't suggest he is not a Tea Partier (j/k), the implied endorsement of or interest in communism seems to.

QueEx · Jan 10, 2011

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By Michael Martinez
January 9, 2011

The tenor of American political rhetoric became a centerpiece in the national debate over Saturday's attack by a gunman in Tucson, Arizona, that killed six people and left local Democratic congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords with a bullet wound to the brain.

Public leaders and others expressed sorrow about "a tragedy for the entire country," as President Obama put it -- a total of 18 people allegedly shot by 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner.

But officials also voiced dismay Saturday over the possibility that highly polarized rhetoric in the conservative hotbed of Arizona may have played a role in the assassination attempt of the Democratic congresswoman, who was targeted during a meet-and-greet with constituents in a shopping center. A federal judge, a girl age 9, and four other people died in the mass killing.

While not stating a motive for the shootings, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik in Tucson used a nationally televised press conference to condemn the tone of political discourse in his state. He charged that public debate is now "vitriolic rhetoric," which has rendered Arizona "the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

Dupnik suggested that such rhetoric can have deadly consequences.

"We need to do some soul searching," Dupnik told reporters. "It's the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business.

"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government, the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this county is getting to be outrageous. Unfortunately, Arizona, I think, has become sort of the capital," Dupnik continued.

"We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry," Dupnik said.

Arizona is a Republican stronghold where the party members hold a two-thirds majority in both chambers of the legislature and occupy the governor's office.

Dupnik is a Democrat.

"People who are unbalanced may be especially susceptible to vitriol," Dupnik said. "It's not unusual for all public officials to get threatened constantly, myself included. That's the sad thing that's going on in America. Pretty soon we're not going to be able to find reasonable people to subject themselves to serving the public."

Dupnik returned to the theme later in the press conference.

"People tend to pooh-pooh this business about the vitriol that inflames American public opinion by the people who make a living off of that. That may be free speech but it's not without consequences," Dupnik said.

Last March, Giffords raised concerns about inflammatory rhetoric after her office was vandalized, and she cited how her name appeared on a website titled "take back the 20" as part of a list originally issued by Sarah Palin against vulnerable House Democrats.

A map on the site showed crosshairs over the contested Democratic districts.

Palin first posted the list in March 2010, naming 20 House members who voted for health care reform and represented districts that Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona won in the 2008 presidential election.

At the time, Giffords responded to the map by saying on MSNBC that her long-serving colleagues had "never seen anything like it."

"The thing is, the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," Giffords said in March. "When people do that, they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."

On Saturday, Palin posted a message on her Facebook page: "My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shootings in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice."

Tom Fuentes, a former FBI assistant director who's a CNN contributor, described Dupnik's remarks as "a very emotional response by a very frustrated, hurt sheriff."

When media cover "hateful" public statements by officials or television personalities, those remarks are often framed as "they're exciting their base," Fuentes said.

"Law enforcement executives out there know, like this sheriff, that it also excites the lunatic fringe," Fuentes told CNN. "In this country, we have no shortage of mentally unbalanced people, and it seems in case after case, they have no trouble obtaining firearms. So when they go over the edge and go public and try to initiate an attack, this is what happens."

Arizona state Rep. Matt Heinz, a Democrat and a Tucson physician, supported Dupnik's remarks.

"I think he is very, very correctly calling attention to some of the vitriol and some of the ways we're talking about each other," Heinz told CNN. "For those with troubled minds, sometimes some of those things that are said are unfortunately taken in the wrong way."

Arizona state Rep. Steve Farley, a Democrat from Tucson, said that the country now faces a challenge of overcoming polarizing politics. His political aide witnessed the shootings and applied pressure to Giffords' wounds, he said.

"The question is can we come together as a state and can we come together as a country and sort of put this harsh hyper-rhetoric that has caused people who are a little unhinged in the first place to go over the edge," Farley told CNN.

"This country is something that deserves no less than a politics that rises above violence," Farley said.

McCain, the state's Republican senator, said he was "horrified by the violent attack on Representative Gabrielle Giffords and many other innocent people by a wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion. ... Whoever did this,

whatever their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human race, and they deserve and will receive the contempt of all decent people and the strongest punishment of the law."

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, was among the many other lawmakers on both sides of the aisle who quickly condemned the shooting. "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society," he said.

Former U.S. Rep. John Boccieri, a Democrat from Ohio, faced a threat last year when a man said he would burn down Boccieri's house. The man is facing jail time.

That threat came amid "the heat of the debate over the health care issue," Boccieri told CNN Sunday. "Intimidation and threats of violence have no realm in our public discourse. We should make sure that we hold folks accountable like that and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law."

In the wake of the shooting in Arizona, Boccieri said, "I would hope that our country would appeal to its better senses so we could tone down th heated rhetoric and discuss with a degree of civility these important concepts and issues."

He added, "Both sides in my opinion are guilty of this and we know that folks are struggling, they're at last end's rope in some instance, and some of this rhetoric could push folks over the top."

But Boccieri also warned against deciding too soon what may have fueled the Arizona shooter, since the facts of the case are still being investigated.

Public officials spoke of the tragic nature of the shootings, in which authorities said they are also seeking a second man as "a person of interest."

But officials inevitably broached the rancor of national politics.

In fact, the U.S. House of Representatives agreed Saturday that it will cease any discussion next week about repealing President Obama's health care reforms -- a law opposed by many Arizona Republicans and voters in a November ballot measure -- and instead address Saturday's shootings.

Tea Party Express Chairman Amy Kremer said she was saddened by the mass shooting.

"These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials," Kremer said. "Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas. An attack on anyone for political purposes, if that was a factor in this shooting, is an attack on the democratic process. We join with everyone in vociferously condemning it."

U.S. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Missouri, chairman of the congressional black caucus, said he was "shocked and devastated by the tragic events of this day."

"Even though we do not have all the answers yet, we are all too familiar with the violent and polarizing climate in which we live," Cleaver said. "There is no place in American society for such senseless and terrible acts of extreme violence. Those of us in leadership must be overly cautious of fanning the flames of extremism in hopes to prevent another horrendous tragedy such as this."

U.S. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, called the attacks "cowardly."

"Our form of government, like all human things, is imperfect and flawed, but one of its greatest virtues is its power to resolve questions of the greatest import without violence," Hoyer said.

Rev. Al Sharpton, president of the National Action Network and a former Democratic presidential candidate, also expressed alarm about the direction of political rhetoric.

"In church services tomorrow, clergymen ought to address the senseless violence that has too often raised its head of late in the social and political discourse of this country," Sharpton said.

Jeff Rogers, the Pima County Democratic Party chairman, made a plea for "civilized discourse."

"There's just a tremendous amount of anger right now, a lot of people fomenting that anger," Rogers said.

"We maybe need to re-examine a lot of things. For instance, one of the first things on the table at the state legislature this year is putting guns in schools. How crazy is that, given what we've seen here today? And I think we just need to have a more civilized discourse in our politics in this country. This state as well," Rogers said.

U.S. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-New York, said he hoped that inflammatory speech will subside in the wake of Saturday's shootings.

"We have no idea what his motivation was, but we do know that Congresswoman Gabrielle's campaign headquarters was shot at during the campaign last year. We do know that death threats were made against her," Nadler said.

"Whenever you have violent political rhetoric, there could be some nut who will take up and reach a conclusion that the speakers didn't want," Nadler added.

CNN's John Helton and KC Wildmoon contributed to this story.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/01/09/arizona.shooting.rhetoric/

QueEx · Jan 10, 2011

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QueEx · Jan 10, 2011

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The Cloudy Logic of 'Political' Shootingshttp://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/the-cloudy-logic-of-political-shootings/69147/

Shootings of political figures are by definition "political." That's how the
target came to public notice; it is why we say "assassination" rather than plain murder.

But it is striking how rarely the "politics" of an assassination (or attempt) match up cleanly with the main issues for which a public figure has stood.

GET YOU HOT · Jan 10, 2011

The radical political movement, is/has been, way beyond Palin, for some time now, call it a runaway train...

Anxiety, fear, confusion and contradiction; these are the hallmarks of what passes for the Tea Party’s principles and platform.

Anxiety and fear: an April NY Times/CBS news poll showed only 7 percent of Tea Partier’s had a favorable opinion of President Obama, compared to 43 percent of all adults.

Confusion: many Tea Partier’s are unemployed; and the Times/CBS poll indicates that 75 percent of them are forty-five or older, and thus nearer to retirement than the average American. Yet they overwhelmingly support Sharron Angle in Nevada who wants to eliminate Social Security and Medicare; and Rand Paul in Kentucky who wants to repeal the Americans With Disabilities Act.

Confused indeed! Party on, dudes.

Click to expand...

Contradiction: the same poll noted above has a mere one percent of Tea Partier’s approving of Congress; but a whopping 40 percent approving of their own representative in Congress. And then, of course, there’s that hands off Medicare sign. Huh?

Source: http://www.silive.com/opinion/columns/index.ssf/2010/07/tea_party_radical_false_populi.html

Gunner · Jan 10, 2011

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Costanza said:
I haven't read/seen much about this Arizona shooting but I read that this guy's profile listed The Communist Manifesto (along with other classics such as Mein Kampf) under favorite books. If the fact that the man was a reader doesn't suggest he is not a Tea Partier (j/k), the implied endorsement of or interest in communism seems to.

Correct. Even his friends labeled him as a left wing lunatic.

Yes Palin has a large following. As someone put it this weekend a character at best.
President material No.

Although I'd have to agree that the political discourse in this country is out of way out of hand.

Obama statements:

“If they Bring a Knife? We Bring a Gun”
calling republicans “hostage takers”
“Argue with neighbors, Get in their face!”
“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
“If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard,”
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose *** to kick.”
“A Republican majority in Congress would mean “hand-to-hand combat”
“It’s time to Fight for it.”
“We’re gonna punish our enemies”
“I’m itching for a fight.”

Gunner · Jan 10, 2011

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire
Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’

By WSJ Staff

[Editor's note: This blog post was published in 2008. In the wake of Saturday’s shooting rampage in Tucson, Ariz., a number of lawmakers and others have called for toning down the political rhetoric and President Barack Obama led a moment of silence this morning for the victims. Click here and here for more. Also, check back with Washington Wire for updates.]

Amy Chozick reports on the presidential race from Philadelphia.

Mobster wisdom tells us never to bring a knife to a gun fight. But what does political wisdom say about bringing a gun to a knife fight?

That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

Sen. Barack Obama talks at a town hall meeting at Radnor Middle School in Wayne, Pa., Saturday, June 14. (AP)
The comment drew some laughs and applause. But it also struck a chord with his Republican rival. John McCain’s campaign immediately accused the Democratic candidate of playing the politics of fear. They also mentioned that Obama said he would use a gun that would be illegal under Obama’s plans to cut down on illegal firearms.

“Barack Obama’s call for ‘new politics’ is officially over. In just 24 hours, Barack Obama attacked one of America’s pioneering women CEOs, rejected a series of joint bipartisan town halls, and said that if there’s a political knife fight, he’d bring a gun,” McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds said in a statement.

Obama made the comment in the context of warning donors that the general election campaign against McCain could get ugly. “They’re going to try to scare people. They’re going to try to say that ‘that Obama is a scary guy,’” he said. A supporter yelled out a deep accented “Don’t give in!”

“I won’t but that sounded pretty scary. You’re a tough guy,” Obama said.

thoughtone · Jan 10, 2011

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QueEx said:
Bruh, you seem to have a lil something stuck in your craw.

QueEx

Because I'm not afraid to call them as i see them, I have something in my craw? Tell me, is the rhetoric brewing since President Obama has been in office mostly based on political disagreements or just mostly hatred? What would a no labeler say?

GET YOU HOT · Jan 10, 2011

Gunner don't try to waterdown Palin's following, bravado... :smh:

thoughtone · Jan 10, 2011

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Gunner said:
Correct. Even his friends labeled him as a left wing lunatic.

Yes Palin has a large following. As someone put it this weekend a character at best.
President material No.

Although I'd have to agree that the political discourse in this country is out of way out of hand.

Obama statements:

“If they Bring a Knife? We Bring a Gun”
calling republicans “hostage takers”
“Argue with neighbors, Get in their face!”
“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
“If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard,”
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose *** to kick.”
“A Republican majority in Congress would mean “hand-to-hand combat”
“It’s time to Fight for it.”
“We’re gonna punish our enemies”
“I’m itching for a fight.”

Bill O'Reilly - 'Tiller the Baby Killer'
Sharron Angle - 'Second Amendment remedies'
Joyce Kaufman - 'if ballots don't work, bullets will'
Sahra Palin - Don't Retreat Reload

nittie · Jan 10, 2011

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This has to scare every politician in America. It will be interesting to see if they try to make this a left vs right incident or if they will unite. If they do unite it should let everyone know there may be several political parties but there is only one political class in this country.

Gunner · Jan 10, 2011

GET YOU HOT said:
Gunner don't try to waterdown Palin's following, bravado...

Dude you guys are grasping for straws. Really.Most of those pics are photo shopped. We'd be all day going back and fourth posting satire. The fact of the matter is he is one of your own left wing nutjobs.

Ponder this?

Where are his parents?

Why isn't the press shoving a microcope up his a@@ digging into his past? Could it be that they are liberals? Not tea party members?

The girl acquaintance of the perp who insists that he's a leftist has been ignored by the press. I guess it doesn't fit their template.

The media is starting to get a bit embarassed by trying to hang this on the right. Just another excuse for more government.

Gunner · Jan 10, 2011

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thoughtone said:
Bill O'Reilly - 'Tiller the Baby Killer'
Sharron Angle - 'Second Amendment remedies'
Joyce Kaufman - 'if ballots don't work, bullets will'
Sahra Palin - Don't Retreat Reload

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This is the United States not Russia. With proper permit it is legal. Dude looks 21 to me. As an aside thats the video msnbc tried to pass off an an "angry white tea-party member". Turn out the guy was black.

Firearms and Fireworks
(ARS Chapter 31)

It is unlawful to deliberately shoot a gun within Phoenix except; (1) in self-defense when other means of protection have been exhausted; (2) at an approved firing range; or (3) within approved hunting areas.

A weapon is considered "concealed" if it is hidden on your person or readily accessible. For example, if you have a gun under a newspaper on your car seat, you could be charged with carrying a concealed weapon. Arizona Revised Statutes state that no one under 21 years of age may legally carry a concealed weapon. BB guns and slingshots are forbidden within the city limits except (1) at an approved practice range; (2) for target practice in a safe location, if the back-stop is capable of stopping all projectiles; and (3) if the BB's do not stray onto other people's property.

Fireworks are against the law, too. Police are authorized to seize any unlawful fireworks in your possession. Public display of fireworks is permitted only upon approval of the Fire Department.

Lamarr · Jan 10, 2011

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thoughtone said:
Because I'm not afraid to call them as i see them, I have something in my craw? Tell me, is the rhetoric brewing since President Obama has been in office mostly based on political disagreements or just mostly hatred? What would a no labeler say?

From a "no-label" citizen..........................Can anyone cite an instance where Pres. Obama has reversed any of the failed Bush policies?

Domestic policy:
Patriot Act still intact
FISA still intact
Now we have naked body scanners, Nepolitano & Chertoff are happy

Monetary policy:
Our biggest export is our paper dollars courtesy of Ben B.
0% interest rates continue to allow speculators to use "cheap money" to drive up the price of food & energy

Foreign policy:
Dick Cheney would be proud!
Oh yeah, Lameduck Senate Approves Largest Military Spending Bill In History

Before you call me a name or somethin', I'm just tryin to figure out what the man has reversed. I know he repealed Dont Ask, Dont Tell but that was Clintons legislation.

Gunner · Jan 10, 2011

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Lamarr said:
From a "no-label" citizen..........................Can anyone cite an instance where Pres. Obama has reversed any of the failed Bush policies?

Domestic policy:
Patriot Act still intact
FISA still intact
Now we have naked body scanners, Nepolitano & Chertoff are happy

Monetary policy:
Our biggest export is our paper dollars courtesy of Ben B.
0% interest rates continue to allow speculators to use "cheap money" to drive up the price of food & energy

Foreign policy:
Dick Cheney would be proud!
Oh yeah, Lameduck Senate Approves Largest Military Spending Bill In History

Before you call me a name or somethin', I'm just tryin to figure out what the man has reversed. I know he repealed Dont Ask, Dont Tell but that was Clintons legislation.

Prisoners are still at Gitmo as well.

thoughtone · Jan 10, 2011

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nittie said:
This has to scare every politician in America. It will be interesting to see if they try to make this a left vs right incident or if they will unite. If they do unite it should let everyone know there may be several political parties but there is only one political class in this country.

What world are you living in. You think the interests of the wealthiest top 3% intersect with yours?

There are two political classes in the US. The haves and have nots. And I know you are not in the first.

thoughtone · Jan 10, 2011

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Gunner said:
This is the United States not Russia. With proper permit it is legal. Dude looks 21 to me. As an aside thats the video msnbc tried to pass off an an "angry white tea-party member". Turn out the guy was black.

Firearms and Fireworks
(ARS Chapter 31)

It is unlawful to deliberately shoot a gun within Phoenix except; (1) in self-defense when other means of protection have been exhausted; (2) at an approved firing range; or (3) within approved hunting areas.

A weapon is considered "concealed" if it is hidden on your person or readily accessible. For example, if you have a gun under a newspaper on your car seat, you could be charged with carrying a concealed weapon. Arizona Revised Statutes state that no one under 21 years of age may legally carry a concealed weapon. BB guns and slingshots are forbidden within the city limits except (1) at an approved practice range; (2) for target practice in a safe location, if the back-stop is capable of stopping all projectiles; and (3) if the BB's do not stray onto other people's property.

Fireworks are against the law, too. Police are authorized to seize any unlawful fireworks in your possession. Public display of fireworks is permitted only upon approval of the Fire Department.

Nice evasion of the issue!

thoughtone · Jan 10, 2011

Re: Tea Party to field candidate in battle for Harry Reid’s Senate seat

Lamarr said:
From a "no-label" citizen..........................Can anyone cite an instance where Pres. Obama has reversed any of the failed Bush policies?

Domestic policy:
Patriot Act still intact
FISA still intact
Now we have naked body scanners, Nepolitano & Chertoff are happy

Monetary policy:
Our biggest export is our paper dollars courtesy of Ben B.
0% interest rates continue to allow speculators to use "cheap money" to drive up the price of food & energy

Foreign policy:
Dick Cheney would be proud!
Oh yeah, Lameduck Senate Approves Largest Military Spending Bill In History

Before you call me a name or somethin', I'm just tryin to figure out what the man has reversed. I know he repealed Dont Ask, Dont Tell but that was Clintons legislation.

Obama to Reverse Bush Labor Policies

Total bullshit! This fake outrage of rights being stepped on could have ended in 2004, however their was a loud silence when John Kerry was being Swift Boated.

Where are the Tea Baggers calling for GW and Cheney's head? In fact the Tea Baggers want to return to the good ole days of the Compassionate Conservative.

GW Bush and Cheney were never threatened physically by any credible person on the so called left. We want then to be put on trial, but not sentenced with out due process. The right wing wackos want to take the law in to their own hands.

No labels are people afraid to be called republicans and Conservative Democrats!

nittie · Jan 10, 2011

Re: Tea Party to field candidate in battle for Harry Reid’s Senate seat

thoughtone said:
What world are you living in. You think the interests of the wealthiest top 3% intersect with yours?

There are two political classes in the US. The haves and have nots. And I know you are not in the first.

I make enough to be in that 3% you consider as haves evidently you don't.

GET YOU HOT · Jan 10, 2011

Gunner said:
Dude you guys are grasping for straws. Really.Most of those pics are photo shopped. We'd be all day going back and fourth posting satire. The fact of the matter is he is one of your own left wing nutjobs.

Ponder this?

Where are his parents?

Why isn't the press shoving a microcope up his a@@ digging into his past? Could it be that they are liberals? Not tea party members?

The girl acquaintance of the perp who insists that he's a leftist has been ignored by the press. I guess it doesn't fit their template.

The media is starting to get a bit embarassed by trying to hang this on the right. Just another excuse for more government.

Some of my friends are teabaggers lol :angry:

Nope wrong again...Where do you get your news??

SPIN SPIN SPIN...He is a grown ass man. Gibbons connected the dots.

The spineless hate mongers of America are feeling the bite/spite and its fight or flight. It's already apparent Palin is feeling the heat and she took the website propaganda down... :hmm:

actinanass · Jan 11, 2011

Dude, Gunner, you know it has to be the conservative movement's fault. I'm surprise they haven't found a way to put Bush in the category. Seriously.

They need Palin, Rush, Hannity, and whoever to be the enemy. It's their nature. They tend to forget all the actions the left promote.

*Making a movie/book on the assassination of President Bush. Obama talking about "if they bring a knife to the fight, bring a gun"...* I can go on....

Miss me yet?

GET YOU HOT · Jan 11, 2011

Does this type of rhetoric, have consequences ?

Gunner · Jan 11, 2011

actinanass said:
Dude, Gunner, you know it has to be the conservative movement's fault. I'm surprise they haven't found a way to put Bush in the category. Seriously.

They need Palin, Rush, Hannity, and whoever to be the enemy. It's their nature. They tend to forget all the actions the left promote.

*Making a movie/book on the assassination of President Bush. Obama talking about "if they bring a knife to the fight, bring a gun"...* I can go on....

Miss me yet?

Seriously, I heard a brother saying just this evening that the tea party and Palin sent this dude to kill all of those people. Then had the nerve to say the FBI is currently investigating Palin. Really? And these people actually vote. Many in this country really need to be able to pass a 9th grade civics test before they are allowed to vote.

thoughtone · Jan 11, 2011

actinanass said:
Dude, Gunner, you know it has to be the conservative movement's fault. I'm surprise they haven't found a way to put Bush in the category. Seriously.

They need Palin, Rush, Hannity, and whoever to be the enemy. It's their nature. They tend to forget all the actions the left promote.

*Making a movie/book on the assassination of President Bush. Obama talking about "if they bring a knife to the fight, bring a gun"...* I can go on....

I can go on....

Click to expand...

Please do....

Ya can't! The list is a whole lot longer from the right. And I can post fools who have actually carried out violence.

Go back in to your hole.

Miss me yet?

Glenn Beck jokes about poisoning Nancy Pelosi:

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Glenn Beck talks about strangling Micheal Moore:

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thoughtone · Jan 11, 2011

Attempted mass murder – inspired by Glenn Beck and Fox News

QueEx · Jan 11, 2011

Gunner said:
Dude you guys are grasping for straws. Really.

Dude, that "Dude" is really a female, with a really nice set of tata's. Really.

Gunner said:
Most of those pics are photo shopped. We'd be all day going back and fourth posting satire. The fact of the matter is he is one of your own left wing nutjobs.

Nut job? Most probably.

Left wing? At this point, who knows ???

You co-signed Constanza above who apparently believes that because the shooter is a leftist because he says The Communist Manifesto is among the books he has read. Actually, at this point, none of us know whether the guy has read or was even capable of understanding the the book.

Moreover, if he read it, was it because he believed in the Manifesto, or, was it because he wanted to critique it and stand it on its head ???.

Ponder that.

And, ponder whether the shooter being left, right, center or just plain up-side-down is the real point here.

Gunner said:
Ponder this?

Where are his parents?

What??? Are they too embarrased to be seen? Are they too mourning the dead, sorrowful for what their son has done? What???

Just what conjecture do you want us to Ponder ???

Gunner said:
Ponder this

Why isn't the press shoving a microcope up his a@@ digging into his past? Could it be that they are liberals? Not tea party members?

Who here doesn't believe that if the media had unfettered access to the shooter that it would have by now shoved a microphone up his ass, a camera down his throat and a thermometer in his gut to be sure his ass was cooked, well done ???

Who ???

You ???

Gunner said:
Ponder this

The girl acquaintance of the perp who insists that he's a leftist has been ignored by the press. I guess it doesn't fit their template.

What is that to ponder ??? What does it matter whether the shooter was leftist or rightist ???

You ponder my ponder, just below.

Gunner said:
Ponder this

The media is starting to get a bit embarassed by trying to hang this on the right. Just another excuse for more government.

Really ???

Ponder this:

Does incendiary public political talk find a ready audience among the gullible, the weak minded, the mentally unbalanced, and the political cheerleaders of the world who suck up every word, perhaps, not even themselves realizing that they may be mere pawns in the political pep rally ? ? ?

QueEx

QueEx · Jan 11, 2011

actinanass said:
Dude, Gunner, you know it has to be the conservative movement's fault. I'm surprise they haven't found a way to put Bush in the category. Seriously.

They need Palin, Rush, Hannity, and whoever to be the enemy. It's their nature. They tend to forget all the actions the left promote.

*Making a movie/book on the assassination of President Bush. Obama talking about "if they bring a knife to the fight, bring a gun"...* I can go on....

Miss me yet?

See, Pondering and Cheerleading, just above.



QueEx

Majestic Lion · Jan 11, 2011

@ all this.

If anything this thread shows just how effective US political rhetoric has been and continues to be.

Gunner · Jan 11, 2011

QueEx said:
Dude, that "Dude" is really a female, with a really nice set of tata's. Really.

Nut job? Most probably.

Left wing? At this point, who knows ???

You co-signed Constanza above who apparently believes that because the shooter is a leftist because he says The Communist Manifesto is among the books he has read. Actually, at this point, none of us know whether the guy has read or was even capable of understanding the the book.

Moreover, if he read it, was it because he believed in the Manifesto, or, was it because he wanted to critique it and stand it on its head ???.

Ponder that.

And, ponder whether the shooter being left, right, center or just plain up-side-down is the real point here.

What??? Are they too embarrased to be seen? Are they too mourning the dead, sorrowful for what their son has done? What???

Just what conjecture do you want us to Ponder ???

Who here doesn't believe that if the media had unfettered access to the shooter that it would have by now shoved a microphone up his ass, a camera down his throat and a thermometer in his gut to be sure his ass was cooked, well done ???

Who ???

You ???

What is that to ponder ??? What does it matter whether the shooter was leftist or rightist ???

You ponder my ponder, just below.

Really ???

Ponder this:

Does incendiary public political talk find a ready audience among the gullible, the weak minded, the mentally unbalanced, and the political cheerleaders of the world who suck up every word, perhaps, not even themselves realizing that they may be mere pawns in the political pep rally ? ? ?



QueEx

I didn't see tatas. Tatas please?

Dude only a few hours after the shooting, the left was scrambling to point blame at the right. You know it, I know you don't miss much.
It has become a habit of the you and your buddies to equate disagreement with liberals and liberalism with hate. You guys are soooo convinced you seem of the virtue of your cause that the only possible explanation for resistance to it must be hatred.

thoughtone · Jan 11, 2011

Gunner said:
I didn't see tatas. Tatas please?

Dude only a few hours after the shooting, the left was scrambling to point blame at the right. You know it, I know you don't miss much.

Funny how you base your opinions on the so called 'Obama Care" on lies and rumors, but the actual history of a killer is up to speculation.

BTW, why is it that a Black person that steals or kills is immoral or their character is in question, but a white person that kills is mentally troubled, incapable of their actions?

The right sucks!

QueEx · Jan 11, 2011

Gunner said:
Dude only a few hours after the shooting, the left was scrambling to point blame at the right. You know it, I know you don't miss much.

Does incendiary public political talk find a ready audience among the gullible, the weak minded, the mentally unbalanced, and the political cheerleaders of the world who suck up every word, perhaps, not even themselves realizing that they may be mere pawns in the political pep rally ? ? ?

QueEx

Gunner · Jan 11, 2011

QueEx said:


Does incendiary public political talk find a ready audience among the gullible, the weak minded, the mentally unbalanced, and the political cheerleaders of the world who suck up every word, perhaps, not even themselves realizing that they may be mere pawns in the political pep rally ? ? ?



QueEx

Don't get it twisted, you started the post. You highlighted the words. Now you want to back off and play Jesus as usual. Typical...... I guess you're a no label today.

Shooting throws spotlight on state of U.S. political rhetoric

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