The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation (circa 1991)

Rocky Miavia

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Hello, After more than 20 years, I've finally decided to tell the world what I witnessed in 1991, which I believe was one of the biggest turning point in popular music, and ultimately American society. I have struggled for a long time weighing the pros and cons of making this story public as I was reluctant to implicate the individuals who were present that day. So I've simply decided to leave out names and all the details that may risk my personal well being and that of those who were, like me, dragged into something they weren't ready for.

Between the late 80's and early 90’s, I was what you may call a “decision maker” with one of the more established company in the music industry. I came from Europe in the early 80’s and quickly established myself in the business. The industry was different back then. Since technology and media weren’t accessible to people like they are today, the industry had more control over the public and had the means to influence them anyway it wanted. This may explain why in early 1991, I was invited to attend a closed door meeting with a small group of music business insiders to discuss rap music’s new direction. Little did I know that we would be asked to participate in one of the most unethical and destructive business practice I’ve ever seen.

The meeting was held at a private residence on the outskirts of Los Angeles. I remember about 25 to 30 people being there, most of them familiar faces. Speaking to those I knew, we joked about the theme of the meeting as many of us did not care for rap music and failed to see the purpose of being invited to a private gathering to discuss its future. Among the attendees was a small group of unfamiliar faces who stayed to themselves and made no attempt to socialize beyond their circle. Based on their behavior and formal appearances, they didn't seem to be in our industry. Our casual chatter was interrupted when we were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement preventing us from publicly discussing the information presented during the meeting. Needless to say, this intrigued and in some cases disturbed many of us. The agreement was only a page long but very clear on the matter and consequences which stated that violating the terms would result in job termination. We asked several people what this meeting was about and the reason for such secrecy but couldn't find anyone who had answers for us. A few people refused to sign and walked out. No one stopped them. I was tempted to follow but curiosity got the best of me. A man who was part of the “unfamiliar” group collected the agreements from us.

Quickly after the meeting began, one of my industry colleagues (who shall remain nameless like everyone else) thanked us for attending. He then gave the floor to a man who only introduced himself by first name and gave no further details about his personal background. I think he was the owner of the residence but it was never confirmed. He briefly praised all of us for the success we had achieved in our industry and congratulated us for being selected as part of this small group of “decision makers”. At this point I begin to feel slightly uncomfortable at the strangeness of this gathering. The subject quickly changed as the speaker went on to tell us that the respective companies we represented had invested in a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our active involvement. He explained that the companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. I remember many of us in the group immediately looking at each other in confusion. At the time, I didn’t know what a private prison was but I wasn't the only one. Sure enough, someone asked what these prisons were and what any of this had to do with us. We were told that these prisons were built by privately owned companies who received funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons. It was also made clear to us that since these prisons are privately owned, as they become publicly traded, we’d be able to buy shares. Most of us were taken back by this. Again, a couple of people asked what this had to do with us. At this point, my industry colleague who had first opened the meeting took the floor again and answered our questions. He told us that since our employers had become silent investors in this prison business, it was now in their interest to make sure that these prisons remained filled. Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice. He assured us that this would be a great situation for us because rap music was becoming an increasingly profitable market for our companies, and as employee, we’d also be able to buy personal stocks in these prisons. Immediately, silence came over the room. You could have heard a pin drop. I remember looking around to make sure I wasn't dreaming and saw half of the people with dropped jaws. My daze was interrupted when someone shouted, “Is this a f****** joke?” At this point things became chaotic. Two of the men who were part of the “unfamiliar” group grabbed the man who shouted out and attempted to remove him from the house. A few of us, myself included, tried to intervene. One of them pulled out a gun and we all backed off. They separated us from the crowd and all four of us were escorted outside. My industry colleague who had opened the meeting earlier hurried out to meet us and reminded us that we had signed agreement and would suffer the consequences of speaking about this publicly or even with those who attended the meeting. I asked him why he was involved with something this corrupt and he replied that it was bigger than the music business and nothing we’d want to challenge without risking consequences. We all protested and as he walked back into the house I remember word for word the last thing he said, “It’s out of my hands now. Remember you signed an agreement.” He then closed the door behind him. The men rushed us to our cars and actually watched until we drove off.

A million things were going through my mind as I drove away and I eventually decided to pull over and park on a side street in order to collect my thoughts. I replayed everything in my mind repeatedly and it all seemed very surreal to me. I was angry with myself for not having taken a more active role in questioning what had been presented to us. I'd like to believe the shock of it all is what suspended my better nature. After what seemed like an eternity, I was able to calm myself enough to make it home. I didn't talk or call anyone that night. The next day back at the office, I was visibly out of it but blamed it on being under the weather. No one else in my department had been invited to the meeting and I felt a sense of guilt for not being able to share what I had witnessed. I thought about contacting the 3 others who wear kicked out of the house but I didn't remember their names and thought that tracking them down would probably bring unwanted attention. I considered speaking out publicly at the risk of losing my job but I realized I’d probably be jeopardizing more than my job and I wasn't willing to risk anything happening to my family. I thought about those men with guns and wondered who they were? I had been told that this was bigger than the music business and all I could do was let my imagination run free. There were no answers and no one to talk to. I tried to do a little bit of research on private prisons but didn’t uncover anything about the music business’ involvement. However, the information I did find confirmed how dangerous this prison business really was. Days turned into weeks and weeks into months. Eventually, it was as if the meeting had never taken place. It all seemed surreal. I became more reclusive and stopped going to any industry events unless professionally obligated to do so. On two occasions, I found myself attending the same function as my former colleague. Both times, our eyes met but nothing more was exchanged.

As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities.

I officially quit the music business in 1993 but my heart had already left months before. I broke ties with the majority of my peers and removed myself from this thing I had once loved. I took some time off, returned to Europe for a few years, settled out of state, and lived a “quiet” life away from the world of entertainment. As the years passed, I managed to keep my secret, fearful of sharing it with the wrong person but also a little ashamed of not having had the balls to blow the whistle. But as rap got worse, my guilt grew. Fortunately, in the late 90’s, having the internet as a resource which wasn't at my disposal in the early days made it easier for me to investigate what is now labeled the prison industrial complex. Now that I have a greater understanding of how private prisons operate, things make much more sense than they ever have. I see how the criminalization of rap music played a big part in promoting racial stereotypes and misguided so many impressionable young minds into adopting these glorified criminal behaviors which often lead to incarceration. Twenty years of guilt is a heavy load to carry but the least I can do now is to share my story, hoping that fans of rap music realize how they’ve been used for the past 2 decades. Although I plan on remaining anonymous for obvious reasons, my goal now is to get this information out to as many people as possible. Please help me spread the word. Hopefully, others who attended the meeting back in 1991 will be inspired by this and tell their own stories. Most importantly, if only one life has been touched by my story, I pray it makes the weight of my guilt a little more tolerable.

Thank you

Posted by Ivan: @hiphopisread.com http://www.hiphopisread.com/2012/04/secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-music.html
 

KingAddies

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NWA, Too Short and Eazy E came out in '87-'88. Where was the meeting that produced them? They started all this bullshit with the dumbed down lyrics and dope boy anthems. Rakim and EPMD was flowing their ass off and these dudes come out using the same cadence and basic lyrics as "Pee Herman Dance" and "Rappin Duke"
 

geechiedan

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Kwame Coltrane

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Guess this is the new Willie Lynch or Ku Klux Klan thanks the bloods letter. All were probably written by some HBCU student and passed along as FACT by fat broads on facebook :hmm:
 

yureeka9

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Maybe I'm just a born skeptic but someone please explain to me how rap songs on a tape can put me on a path to being an inmate in a private prison. I was the quintessential target for this CIA conspiracy in the late 80s. I was black, in my late teens and raised by a struggling single mother but I never wasted a second of my life trying to decide if I was going to let some niggas on a hip hop record determine if I was going to stay on the right side of the law or not. All of my friends grew up in the same circumstance as well and none of us bought into rap lyrics like that. I just don't get it. :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
 

datboi

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Maybe I'm just a born skeptic but someone please explain to me how rap songs on a tape can put me on a path to being an inmate in a private prison. I was the quintessential target for this CIA conspiracy in the late 80s. I was black, in my late teens and raised by a struggling single mother but I never wasted a second of my life trying to decide if I was going to let some niggas on a hip hop record determine if I was going to stay on the right side of the law or not. All of my friends grew up in the same circumstance as well and none of us bought into rap lyrics like that. I just don't get it. :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
Im not coming at you because I was in the same situation. Growing up in the 80s and 90s in one of the worse cities in America with a single mother trying to navigate the "trappings" of the hood. It wasnt just the rap music but the music was the soundtrack to what was going on. When a messenger is repetitive it becomes ingrained. Some peopele people start to believe it. Next you add the element of Music Videos for the visual effect They would glorify this lifestyle.
 

yureeka9

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Im not coming at you because I was in the same situation. Growing up in the 80s and 90s in one of the worse cities in America with a single mother trying to navigate the "trappings" of the hood. It wasnt just the rap music but the music was the soundtrack to what was going on. When a messenger is repetitive it becomes ingrained. Some peopele people start to believe it. Next you add the element of Music Videos for the visual effect They would glorify this lifestyle.
I agree with all that. But if you grew up in the 80s like I did then you know that there was a helluva lot more than gangster rap videos on TV. And that's where all of it remained. I feel sorry for a person that can't leave show business on the screen or the radio. I listened to all the music, watched the videos and struggled through all the horror flicks of the 80s and all I an say looking back on it was "wow! I was really entertained!" Kudos to the creative efforts of all the contributors. But it had nothing to do with my journey in the real world.
 

John Million

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Maybe I'm just a born skeptic but someone please explain to me how rap songs on a tape can put me on a path to being an inmate in a private prison. I was the quintessential target for this CIA conspiracy in the late 80s. I was black, in my late teens and raised by a struggling single mother but I never wasted a second of my life trying to decide if I was going to let some niggas on a hip hop record determine if I was going to stay on the right side of the law or not. All of my friends grew up in the same circumstance as well and none of us bought into rap lyrics like that. I just don't get it. :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

you don't think music can have either positive or negative affects on young impressionable minds? you don't think "some" teenagers (not you or your friends) can be influenced by music or other forms of media?
 

yureeka9

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you don't think music can have either positive or negative affects on young impressionable minds? you don't think "some" teenagers (not you or your friends) can be influenced by music or other forms of media?
Of course. The proof is everywhere. I think people that are influenced to the point of criminality by music are already flawed though. The music was just the catalyst that initiated the behavior.
 

John Million

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Of course. The proof is everywhere. I think people that are influenced to the point of criminality by music are already flawed though. The music was just the catalyst that initiated the behavior.

Yes so it's not too much of a jump that music can be One of the catalysts leading to criminal behavior. It's really easy to see imo. There are forms of rap music that encourage anti-social behavior.
 

yureeka9

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Yes so it's not too much of a jump that music can be One of the catalysts leading to criminal behavior. It's really easy to see imo. There are forms of rap music that encourage anti-social behavior.
Not sure how you process this but I'm completely clueless as to how listening to a well paid entertainer say "fuck the police" can somehow hypnotize me into picking up a gun, going outside and committing felonies over the objections of my own mother that I see working hard every day to keep me away from that shit. I guess I'm just not wired that way.
 

TIMEISMONEY

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Maybe I'm just a born skeptic but someone please explain to me how rap songs on a tape can put me on a path to being an inmate in a private prison. I was the quintessential target for this CIA conspiracy in the late 80s. I was black, in my late teens and raised by a struggling single mother but I never wasted a second of my life trying to decide if I was going to let some niggas on a hip hop record determine if I was going to stay on the right side of the law or not. All of my friends grew up in the same circumstance as well and none of us bought into rap lyrics like that. I just don't get it. :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
Businesses advertise for a reason! People are not the same, we all know this. Some are strong, but most are weak. You’re frontal lobe isn’t fully developed by at least 25, I think. If you don’t have the right guidance at early age, it’s very easy to become prey listening to nothing but negative messages about you and your people on a loop thinking that’s normal.
 

yureeka9

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Businesses advertise for a reason! People are not the same, we all know this. Some are strong, but most are weak. You’re frontal lobe isn’t fully developed by at least 25, I think. If you don’t have the right guidance at early age, it’s very easy to become prey listening to nothing but negative messages about you and your people on a loop thinking that’s normal.
Can't argue with that....
 

DJCandle

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Not sure how you process this but I'm completely clueless as to how listening to a well paid entertainer say "fuck the police" can somehow hypnotize me into picking up a gun, going outside and committing felonies over the objections of my own mother that I see working hard every day to keep me away from that shit. I guess I'm just not wired that way.
This is anecdotal but I’ll give you an example. When I was growing up in DC in the 80’s, there was a guy on my apartment building that would always have the freshest clothes and stacks of cash on him. He always wore the black Jordan’s with the cris cross straps in purple and orange. I remember that vividly cause I always wanted a pair. I’d see him everyday and he’d always show us love. One day, he’s out on the stoop of our building and the ice cream truck rolls by. Some of the kids I was playing with ran to it, but me and my homey didn’t cause we ain’t have no money. He peeps that and calls me over.. “you ain’t gettin nothin?” I told him nah, we don’t got no money.” He reaches into his pocket and pulls out a fat stack with 100’s and pulls out a $20. He says “get you and ya boy sum, and bring me back a WWF bar.. the Randy Savage one..” I said bet. I run to truck, put in the order, grab everything and by the time I turn to walk back, he was gone. I waited there for him til night but he never came back. Figured I’d catch him the next day so I took the money w/ me to school. Fast forward the next day am I’m leaving school and my elementary school was on the same block we lived on. I’m walking home at about 2-3pm and I see police tape across the street from our building. Outside that apartment was a bloodied sheet with two feet laid out and what was on those two feet? Those black Jordan’s I mentioned earlier. The sleeve that was peeking through was also this white and purple Sergio Tachinni jacket he used to always wear so I instantly knew that we as him. That was the last time I had ever seen a body up close like that and I ain’t put it together til I got older but he was the neighborhood dealer and he was adored. I remember wanting to be like that guy and if it weren’t for pops wanting to get our fam tf outta DC, I coulda ended up down that same road.

Long story short, young kids are extremely impressionable and music is very influential on young impressionable minds. Youth wanna be cool and gangsta like the entertainers they see and emulate because of all the accolades come with it. They haven’t deciphered that it’s marketing and an image portrayed cause they don’t have the mental capacity at a young age to do that. The movie Paid in Full is a great example. It’s passed down from generation to generation. Seeing the local hustlers w/ chains, fresh gear, whips, adoration… a young mind roaming the streets with zero options don’t stand a chance against that and sadly, the music is the soundtrack to that lifestyle. They go hand in hand.

It’s great that you never bought into that and I’m sure there’s folks out there like you as well, (I for one owe my pops everything) but the majority of youth will gravitate to what’s cool and what they friends think are cool. Back then it was drugs and hustling, today it’s taking those drugs and being suicidal.

The impact is there and those who run the show know it, exploit it, and capitalize for their gain.
 

Dannyblueyes

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Okay let's break this down.

In 1991 there's a meeting of 25 people who are very influential in the hip hop game but somehow nobody knows each other. Even though a lot of them are in direct competition.

31 years later it stands to reason that many if not most of these attendees have retired, changed industries, or passed away. Yet not a single one of them, or their surviving family members, have named any names. The staff who worked the event haven't named anybody either.

To put this in perspective, you have people from the Nixon administration who have blatantly come out and said that the war on drugs was a plot to fill the prisons. You've had top level government officials who have publicly come out to cast doubt on the Kennedy assassination. Not only were they naming names, but some even published books on the subject.

This indicates that a small group of shady music executives have more power than every branch of the US federal government combined!

Even if all 25 people did keep a secret they couldn't have made this change on their own. It would have required the participation of radio station owners, programming directors, DJs, music television executives and their VJs.

Folks that couldn't have been at that meeting, had no NDA violate, yet somehow none of them publicly commented on their entire industry making a massive shift over a period of months. Nobody has ever said who they got their marching orders from even though there was absolutely nothing to stop them.

Now let's look at the rappers who reached gold and Platinum status during 1991 and 1992.

Hardcore criminals masquerading as musicians like boogie down productions, the fu-shnickens, MC Hammer, the Beastie boys ,a tribe called quest, Eric B and Rakim, Kris Kross, House of Pain, Gangstarr, etc.

The biggest problem is that according to sound scans statistics anytime a rap album went gold or platinum 70% of the people who bought it were white!

How many of them went to prison?

This meeting never happened. If it had it would have been one of the most harebrained schemes and music history!
 

Mello Mello

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CIA vibes.

Prison industrial complex is very real and the music culture does promote criminality.

But to say they created gangsta rap... Perhaps indirectly by creating the conditions that fueled the war on drugs which created the circumstance and realities that gangsta rap could grow from.

In hindsight and seeing the way things are now law enforcement and private prisons have entrenched themselves into rap and hip hop music and use it as a segway into the lives of criminals, misfits and 'hangers on'.
 

yureeka9

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This is anecdotal but I’ll give you an example. When I was growing up in DC in the 80’s, there was a guy on my apartment building that would always have the freshest clothes and stacks of cash on him. He always wore the black Jordan’s with the cris cross straps in purple and orange. I remember that vividly cause I always wanted a pair. I’d see him everyday and he’d always show us love. One day, he’s out on the stoop of our building and the ice cream truck rolls by. Some of the kids I was playing with ran to it, but me and my homey didn’t cause we ain’t have no money. He peeps that and calls me over.. “you ain’t gettin nothin?” I told him nah, we don’t got no money.” He reaches into his pocket and pulls out a fat stack with 100’s and pulls out a $20. He says “get you and ya boy sum, and bring me back a WWF bar.. the Randy Savage one..” I said bet. I run to truck, put in the order, grab everything and by the time I turn to walk back, he was gone. I waited there for him til night but he never came back. Figured I’d catch him the next day so I took the money w/ me to school. Fast forward the next day am I’m leaving school and my elementary school was on the same block we lived on. I’m walking home at about 2-3pm and I see police tape across the street from our building. Outside that apartment was a bloodied sheet with two feet laid out and what was on those two feet? Those black Jordan’s I mentioned earlier. The sleeve that was peeking through was also this white and purple Sergio Tachinni jacket he used to always wear so I instantly knew that we as him. That was the last time I had ever seen a body up close like that and I ain’t put it together til I got older but he was the neighborhood dealer and he was adored. I remember wanting to be like that guy and if it weren’t for pops wanting to get our fam tf outta DC, I coulda ended up down that same road.

Long story short, young kids are extremely impressionable and music is very influential on young impressionable minds. Youth wanna be cool and gangsta like the entertainers they see and emulate because of all the accolades come with it. They haven’t deciphered that it’s marketing and an image portrayed cause they don’t have the mental capacity at a young age to do that. The movie Paid in Full is a great example. It’s passed down from generation to generation. Seeing the local hustlers w/ chains, fresh gear, whips, adoration… a young mind roaming the streets with zero options don’t stand a chance against that and sadly, the music is the soundtrack to that lifestyle. They go hand in hand.

It’s great that you never bought into that and I’m sure there’s folks out there like you as well, (I for one owe my pops everything) but the majority of youth will gravitate to what’s cool and what they friends think are cool. Back then it was drugs and hustling, today it’s taking those drugs and being suicidal.

The impact is there and those who run the show know it, exploit it, and capitalize for their gain.
That was a sobering read. It sounds like your experience was similar to what I saw growing up as well. Yes, there has always been the call and allure of the streets. We all hear it. But what I heard more frequently and at a louder volume was the same thing you heard. A concerned parent's voice. My mother had absolute veto power over any outside influence. Period. Sounds like your father did as well. Thanks for sharing. If you don't mind, can you find a picture of those kind of shoes and post it up. I've never heard of them.
 

Heavenlywings77

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you don't think music can have either positive or negative affects on young impressionable minds? you don't think "some" teenagers (not you or your friends) can be influenced by music or other forms of media?


In a vacuum yes. But there are infinitely more influences around a person aside from music.
 

DJCandle

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That was a sobering read. It sounds like your experience was similar to what I saw growing up as well. Yes, there has always been the call and allure of the streets. We all hear it. But what I heard more frequently and at a louder volume was the same thing you heard. A concerned parent's voice. My mother had absolute veto power over any outside influence. Period. Sounds like your father did as well. Thanks for sharing. If you don't mind, can you find a picture of those kind of shoes and post it up. I've never heard of them.
Definitely similar. Your mother did an excellent job of being that louder decibel to what’s going on out there, but we also have to remember that many aren’t privy to that and even some who are, still can’t escape it’s allure. The whole point of being a kid is finding who you are and what works for you and many times, these youth don’t have resources or the the ears to steer them into the proper direction. I coach football (soccer) in the inner cities today, and seeing what these kids are up against breaks my heart at time. We do our best to give them alternatives but their home lives are often shattered beyond repair.

It was these. Musta been the early 90’s.

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