Update: Vice President Kamala Harris is now the Democratic presidential nominee

Piff Henderson

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And I agree… but did the correct amount of people voting FEEL that this time around?

Because that feeling is all that really matters and if they did, we’d be singing a different tune right about now.

Again, between Harris, Biden, and you could maybe say Obama, there was an overwhelming focus on inclusion and being “woke.” In one form or another. Meanwhile the important matters were forgotten about.

And you can forget about them for a bit but eventually you’re gonna have to address it and win your base back or else we run the risk of the Orange Cheetos motorcade clogging up Pennsylvania Ave. People weren’t gonna give up their basic needs and security just to be inclusive virtue signalers.
No, because the left wasn't on the ballot. Kamala didn't run a left-wing campaign. This is what I'm trying to get across. She veered right. Her failure is not a failure of the left or left-wing agendas. No one who believes that has provided anything to support the claim.

At this point, we're talking past each other because you're addressing straw men arguments and not the ones I'm making. I certainly never said people need to virtue signal. More like focus on what's important.

If people believe sticking it to the pronoun people is more important than social security, healthcare, and education, then they get what they deserve. But, honestly, I don't believe most people do. The problem was there was no real left wing option.
 

T_Holmes

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Dems need to be the new "Republican" (Classic) party.

Today's Republican party is the MAGA Party.

Dems need to shed their own MAGA counterparts, known as the Progressives/Ultra Left.
I do feel like the natural evolution of this process will be the formation of a new centralized party.

Cyclically speaking, we are past due for a third party to form and basically become the new primary party as one party declines. I always assumed that it probably be the Republicans that folded, but now I'm considering that it might be the Democrats who have to be phased out by the more reasonable of factions.
 

DJCandle

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No, because the left wasn't on the ballot. Kamala didn't run a left-wing campaign. This is what I'm trying to get across. She veered right. Her failure is not a failure of the left or left-wing agendas. No one who believes that has provided anything to support the claim.

At this point, we're talking past each other because you're addressing straw men arguments and not the ones I'm making. I certainly never said people need to virtue signal. More like focus on what's important.

If people believe sticking it to the pronoun people is more important than social security, healthcare, and education, then they get what they deserve. But, honestly, I don't believe most people do. The problem was there was no real left wing option.
My exact point. They did and they will. Personally I’ll be laughing when they get deported cause that shit WILL be funny but hey, tough break.

Now I understand your point of her veering right, I do, but with 107 days, how feasible was that gonna be? It was a lose lose situation given the scope of everything. And frankly, whether she did or didn’t run a left wing campaign, would it matter? She’s still a “leftist Democrat liberal” in their eyes. That’s how they view it. Left/Blue=Bad Right/Red=Good. It’s polarization for the sake of polarization. You and I are able to dissect it granularly with nuance but let’s be careful with how much credit we’re giving these folks. Simple is simple.

And I completely understand if you disagree with me but we are here. Talking about concessions and what went wrong.
 

playahaitian

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Some Latinos understand what just happened what trouble they in those the ones that you are talking about. Black people, especially black women near the assignment. Everybody else did not know it.

I posted this would happen weeks ago because this sentiment was so prevalent in the Latino community





The Democrats were slipping.

Never underestimate just bad someone can be especially when the tell you to your face that they are bad.
 

REDLINE

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Ok I just need a one word response to this specific question...

DID THE DEMOCRATS DO ANYTHING WRONG THAT LEAD TO THIS RESULT?

My brother @easy_b believes Democrats dis absolutely nothing wrong and this all lays at the feet of the racist uneducated voters who supported a felon rapist neo nazi.

I disagree.

I think it's much more complicated and while it's true this voter base is very distressing choosing the worst of us to be the leader of free world, the democrats are guilty of a serious disconnect within their party. They have to fix that.

What say yall?

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You said a one word answer and that answer is "Yes".


More than a one word answer. Look at the map below.

Ain't much the democrats can do about that, they just had to hope that the swing states would swing.

2024-us-election-electoral-map-showing-states-won-by-trump-and-harris-as-of-november-6-2024.png


It's my belief that 99% of voters are gonna vote along party lines no matter what's done or what's said.

Then you factor in the voters that don't like women. Don't like minority women, women in power etc and that equals more votes for trump. Whether they're directly voting for trump or choosing not to vote, which in the end equates to a vote for trump because his supporters were coming out in full force.

But yes, there are things that the Democratic Party did wrong. But in this election, there were many factors going against Kamala that weren't politically related.
 

playahaitian

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My exact point. They did and they will. Personally I’ll be laughing when they get deported cause that shit WILL be funny but hey, tough break.

Now I understand your point of her veering right, I do, but with 107 days, how feasible was that gonna be? It was a lose lose situation given the scope of everything. And frankly, whether she did or didn’t run a left wing campaign, would it matter? She’s still a “leftist Democrat liberal” in their eyes. That’s how they view it. Left/Blue=Bad Right/Red=Good. It’s polarization for the sake of polarization. You and I are able to dissect it granularly with nuance but let’s be careful with how much credit we’re giving these folks. Simple is simple.

And I completely understand if you disagree with me but we are here. Talking about concessions and what went wrong.

Mass deportation is gonna be insane.

And all those Latinos who laughed at the SENSITIVE Puerto Ricans?

forget they are citizens.

Yall ain't.
 

playahaitian

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You said a one word answer and that answer is "Yes".


More than a one word answer. Look at the map below.

Ain't much the democrats can do about that, they just had to hope that the swing states would swing.

2024-us-election-electoral-map-showing-states-won-by-trump-and-harris-as-of-november-6-2024.png


It's my belief that 99% of voters are gonna vote along party lines no matter what's done or what's said.

Then you factor in the voters that don't like women. Don't like minority women, women in power etc and that equals more votes for trump. Whether they're directly voting for trump or choosing not to vote, which in the end equates to a vote for trump because his supporters were coming out in full force.

But yes, there are things that the Democratic Party did wrong. But in this election, there were many factors going against Kamala that weren't politically related.

That's ALL I'm saying.

You got dudes in here saying democrats did absolutely nothing wrong.

I don't agree with that.

I think what Kamala accomplished is historic especially under the circumstances

But mistakes WERE made. And much wasn't her fault.
 

ArsenalCannon357

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So many in here are falling for the Okie doke.

White working class voters will never come over to the Democratic party as long as the Democratic party also appeals to Black voters. White Working Class People view Black people as rivals and they do not want Black people to have any success. They view Black success as something that's taking away from their success.

Also one more thing, a lot of these white dudes who are in unions they're about to get a huge wake up call. Because I know they voted for Trump and nobody is as anti-union As Trump and his crew of people.
BRO I JUST TOLD MY HOMIE UNION FOLK ABOUT TO GET THE MOLLY WHOP OF MOLLY WHOPS :lol:
 

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easy_b

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Mass deportation is gonna be insane.

And all those Latinos who laughed at the SENSITIVE Puerto Ricans?

forget they are citizens.

Yall ain't.
Yep, Mexicans, South Americans and Cubans are going to catch hell. And you Cubans in South Florida don’t think y’all excluded from this.
 

REDLINE

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That's ALL I'm saying.

You got dudes in here saying democrats did absolutely nothing wrong.

I don't agree with that.

I think what Kamala accomplished is historic especially under the circumstances

But mistakes WERE made. And much wasn't her fault.
There were definitely mistakes made. Because when members of the same party aren't throwing their support or endorsement because of the agenda shown, political stance or political reasons there's an issue.

At the same time the republicans and their voters stay on code and stand behind a felon, rapists, liar and thief because they want their candidate to win.

Democrats and some of their voters don't have that same thinking or party loyalty.
 

Piff Henderson

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My exact point. They did and they will. Personally I’ll be laughing when they get deported cause that shit WILL be funny but hey, tough break.

Now I understand your point of her veering right, I do, but with 107 days, how feasible was that gonna be? It was a lose lose situation given the scope of everything. And frankly, whether she did or didn’t run a left wing campaign, would it matter? She’s still a “leftist Democrat liberal” in their eyes. That’s how they view it. Left/Blue=Bad Right/Red=Good. It’s polarization for the sake of polarization. You and I are able to dissect it granularly with nuance but let’s be careful with how much credit we’re giving these folks. Simple is simple.

And I completely understand if you disagree with me but we are here. Talking about concessions and what went wrong.
She was handicapped by the short time but also by being Biden's VP. She really couldn't shake the border czar, Palestine, and inflation finger-pointing. It would've seemed disingenuous to run left of Biden.

Now, you may laugh at this, but I believe Walz, had he been the lead on the ticket and selected a running mate not connected to the Biden administration, could've easily won this thing in that amount of time. It helps that he's a white male obviously but he is also left of Harris.

I'm still standing by my hunch that a left-leaning, populist candidate that could rival Trump's right-wing populism and is unconnected to the Biden administration would've did numbers.
 

playahaitian

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There were definitely mistakes made. Because when members of the same party aren't throwing their support or endorsement because of the agenda shown, political stance or political reasons there's an issue.

At the same time the republicans and their voters stay on code and stand behind a felon, rapists, liar and thief because they want their candidate to win.

Democrats and some of their voters don't have that same thinking or party loyalty.

As always much more exact than I

All I was trying to say

Democrats have MAJOR STIDES TO MAKE TO BUILD BACK THAT UNITY OR AT LEASY COHESION OF VISION.

the thing is... are they willing to support and address the members who feel neglected? While keeping the lgbtq Jewish groups folk happy?

How in the hell do you educate a voting body who doesn't believe you trust you and already thinks it knows everything?
 

DJCandle

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She was handicapped by the short time but also by being Biden's VP. She really couldn't shake the border czar, Palestine, and inflation finger-pointing. It would've seemed disingenuous to run left of Biden.

Now, you may laugh at this, but I believe Walz, had he been the lead on the ticket and selected a running mate not connected to the Biden administration, could've easily won this thing in that amount of time. It helps that he's a white male obviously but he is also left of Harris.

I'm still standing by my hunch that a left-leaning, populist candidate that could rival Trump's right-wing populism and is unconnected to the Biden administration would've did numbers.
Nah man, we are in complete agreement here. Sadly, I think anybody other than her might’ve pulled it off given the circumstances. I’m even wondering if Sleepy Joe stayed in there, would he have done it?
 

hardawayz16

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Also one more thing, a lot of these white dudes who are in unions they're about to get a huge wake up call. Because I know they voted for Trump and nobody is as anti-union As Trump and his crew of people.

My brother's white-lead construction union actively encouraged all members NOT to vote Trump because of his anti-union history.

But keep making assumptions, its been working so well for yall.
 
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