Update: Vice President Kamala Harris is now the Democratic presidential nominee

[donwuan]

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[DC_Dude]

 

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[Lou_Kayge]

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She'll probably be called a cunt by MAGAT Chicago Bears fans. That''s her husband, Jonathan Owens team.

 

[DC_Dude]

 

[DC_Dude]

 

[DC_Dude]

 

[DC_Dude]

 

[DC_Dude]

 

[DC_Dude]

 

[praetor]

Democrats always seem so afraid to do anything the Republicans MIGHT have also done

I think it might be in "poor taste" to dispute it

they want a friendly transfer of power?

I PERSONALLY think they should

but I would not be surprised if they did not.

Imo they need to. There's nothing wrong with investigating the numbers.

The issue with Republicans was that they claimed that the 2020 election was stolen with zero evidence to back up that claim.

If no evidence is found, no democrat candidate will say that this election was stolen.

 

[DC_Dude]

Here's what we do now​ A personal note​ By Greg Palast Being right never felt so horrid. Before the election, I wrote, “How Trump Won.” And on Election night I waited for the returns to make a fool of me. Instead, the returns made the fool a President. And so, my vacation’s cancelled. My life’s cancelled; that is, a life of anything but sleuthing and exposing the details of the heist of our democracy. What’s at stake?​ No way around it, this is one frightening moment. Did the voters or the vote challengers pick our next president? Decades of progress created with sweat and determination face destruction. Within the next six months, we may see the Voting Rights Act repealed — and civil rights set back 50 years; the entirety of our environmental protection laws burnt in a coal pit; police cruelty will be made our urban policy; the Education Department closed to give billionaires a tax holiday; and howling anti-Semites will be appointed White House counselors. But the horror we face is countered by this one hard question the US media will ignore, but I can’t: Did Donald Trump actually win this election? If so, was it really a landslide? Here’s something you won’t read elsewhere: In the last Presidential, according to the official count of the federal Elections Assistance Commission, 2.7 million provisional ballots were rejected. Whose ballots? If you’re Black, Hispanic or Asian-American, the chance you were shunted to one of these provisional ballots is 300% higher than if you’re white. How many Black ballots were thrown in the electoral dumpster? As a former professor of statistics, I know there’s still a lot of sleuthing in the numbers I have to do, but I can tell you this: The number of rejected provisional ballots, the number of voters wrongly purged from the rolls, the number of ballots “spoiled” and not counted, has unquestionably skyrocketed. The result: This is the most “Jim Crow,” racially bent election I’ve covered in 25 years of reporting. Did that make the difference? Don’t ask our “see-no-evil” media. While, before the election, The New York Times (never forget to capitalize the “The”) and MSNBC will run some stories on vote suppression trickery, from crazy ID requirements to rejecting student registrations to suspect purges of voters. However, the establishment outlets will NEVER, EVER say that these ugly, racist electoral swindles changed the outcome of the election. They will wave the flag and tell us that American democracy prevailed again. That’s just horseshit. Excuse my French, but when are we going to face the fact that Jim Crow has returned — this time as Dr. James Crow, systems analyst. In my film Vigilantes Inc.: America’s New Vote Suppression Hitmen, I note that just one Trump-backed group, True the Vote, signed up a posse of 40,000 of self-proclaimed vote fraud hunters who, two months ago, had already challenged the ballots of 852,381 voters, overwhelmingly citizens of color — with a goal, undoubtedly met — of challenging 2 MILLION by this week. Could disqualifying literally millions of ballots affect an election’s outcome? What do you think, Sherlock? Vigilante challenges are a whole new racist weapon, new to 2024. It worked, so they’ll do it again in 2028 and 2032. They are already planning it. So, what are we going to do about it? Same with mass purges: 400,000 in Georgia, 1.2 million in Texas — way over 10 million removed from the voter rolls — no other advanced nation does this, erasing voters’ rights to cast a ballot. And may I remind you, that in a technical report for the ACLU in which the Palast team’s experts literally reviewed every single name on the Georgia and Wisconsin purge lists, we found that Georgia wrongly removed a third of a million voters and Wisconsin tens of thousands. Could this bend an election? Well, Sherlock, is the rancid evidence wafting up your nose yet? Maybe what you smell are those rotting, “spoiled” ballots. The nasty little secret of US elections is that we don’t count all the votes. “Spoilage” is the fancy term in the vote-counting biz for votes that are rejected for all kinds of reasons, from paper ballots that scanners could not read to ballots cast in the wrong precinct. Now, if voters’ spoiled ballots rejected were just a random thing, hey, it wouldn’t matter. But as I pointed out in The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, a Black voter is 700% more likely than a white voter to have their ballot thrown in the reject dumpster. We are talking about, by official count, one to three MILLION ballots in our last presidential elections. Do the math, Sherlock. If we counted all the votes, who really won? What can we do now?​ Cut the tears, crybabies. We have work to do. In 2016, in Rolling Stone, I laid out, in cold numbers, how Trump “won” election through a racially poisonous voter roll purge system called, “Interstate Crosscheck,” which purported to identify and remove criminal double voters from the rolls. If a “James Brown” voted in Michigan and “James Brown” voted in North Carolina, they’d remove this criminal double voter from the rolls. Roughly 1.1 million voters were knocked off the rolls. Combined with the purges, spoilage, provisional ballots rejected and other scummy scams — easily accounted for Trump’s official victory. But here is the good news to remember: A national campaign led by Rev. Jesse Jackson and boosted by the ACLU in court deploying our investigative findings, our films, and our reports completely eliminated the Crosscheck purge system. If we did not continue the battle for voter protection after the 2016 race, Biden could not have won in 2020. And let me make this clear: Our purpose in taking on Crosscheck was not to elect Biden — I’m strictly non-partisan. Our purpose was and remains to let the voters decide. Some weeks ago, Rev. Jackson told President Biden and VP Kamala Harris to watch our film Vigilantes Inc., and then take action. But still, the Justice Department hit the snooze button. What that tells us is that no government agency, no political party, is going to save our democracy. That’s completely on us. And that’s my commitment. Will you join me? Information and facts make a difference​ Today, I’ll be on calls with voting rights attorneys and frontline activist groups preparing for the fierce fight to protect our votes. They are, as you can imagine, requesting our factual reports and findings — about the two-million-plus vigilante challenges, about purges, mail-in ballot rejections and more. And they need our film and print stories of the voters whose ballots were challenged, discarded, blocked. Our films and short PSA have now been seen by more than 8 million — but that’s not enough. Too much has been spent on selling candidates and not enough on simple civic education. Education is our work. With our investigative reports, with our hard and unassailable evidence, we can challenge the legitimacy of the Trump “landslide.” It’s not about bringing down Trump, it’s about shoring up that fragile thing called Democracy. Starting TODAY, we must begin the difficult but necessary work of protecting and restoring voting rights. The 2026 election — and the threat of more purloined elections — is upon us. What we need to keep going…​ Your extraordinary support and faith in our work funded our film Vigilantes Inc., which is now more relevant than ever and being seen by ever more audiences. So, now, I have to hit the road again. North Carolina, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona. It’s a long road. We begin with a request from the Congressional Black Caucus to show Vigilantes Inc. in the Capitol. The more difficult and expensive demand upon us is to educate the Congressional White Caucus about the decay of our voting rights. Is there any choice? Honestly and personally, I was hoping for some rest and time off. But a lifetime of your work and mine is now in the balance. We need your financial support to keep this fight going. All our resources went into raising the alarm before the election. Our post-election actions can’t run on fumes. As Leonard Cohen sang, “Democracy is coming to America.” But it won’t get here by itself. I can’t thank you enough for all the years of support. Alas… our work is not done. – Greg Palast and the Palast Investigations Team

 

[Piff Henderson]

 

[playahaitian]

The story of Trump's win was foretold in New York City

The Democratic Party needs to ask WTF just happened, and the answers may be right there on the 7 train.

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The story of Trump's win was foretold in New York City​

The Democratic Party needs to ask WTF just happened, and the answers may be right there on the 7 train.​

Nate Silver
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I went to bed at 5:45 a.m. last night and woke up at 8:45. So, OK, it isn’t the largest sample size. I haven’t had much “walking around time” or any other form of relaxation.
But when I was walking around New York this morning, I was surprised at how normal it all felt.
Nothing like 2016, the last time Donald Trump became president. That was basically the zombie apocalypse. I took the subway to the ABC News offices on Nov. 9 and the man sitting next to me on the 1 train recognized me but could barely get words out. I think he was trying to communicate sympathy. But he was a bad bluffer. His body language betrayed that his real reaction was, “Bro, what the fuck just happened?”
There was none of that this time. Maybe a little aloofness. But no funny looks. People were going about their day.

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I’d like to think some of that is because, after 2016, people are more prepared for uncertainty and the fact that elections don’t always go their way. Of course, that was easier to communicate in an election where the polls said the odds were literally 50/50.
And I don’t think I was the only one who had a gut feeling that Trump was going to win. That article I wrote for the New York Times was misinterpreted as my secret “prediction” for Trump. As much as I’d like to take credit for it, it wasn’t. The whole point, right there in the headline, was that I didn’t trust anyone’s gut when it comes to presidential elections.
Rather, it was a simple statement of fact: that was just how I felt, and I’d been lying when people asked me and I said I had no gut feeling at all. To the extent there was anything that resembled actual insight, it was that it was much easier to come up with a list of reasons that Trump would win — inflation, immigration, Joe Biden wanting to be president until he was 86, the illiberal backlash around the world — than to make the same list for Kamala Harris. I tried and could maybe come up with 6 or 7 good points for her, but not 24. So that may have weighed on my “mental model” of the race.
But mostly it was the emotional scar tissue of 2016. It was the Trumpification of the media environment, particularly Twitter. And it was living in New York City.
Because for all those profiles of Trump voters as exotic creatures in Youngstown, Ohio diners, almost no place1 has seen a bigger increase in Trump support than the five boroughs.

The 2024 vote counts are preliminary and will probably become slightly more Democratic as more votes are counted. But still. In 2012, Mitt Romney got 19.9 percent of the vote in Queens. Despite it being the borough where he grew up, Trump only improved on that slightly in 2016, taking 21.8 percent. But yesterday, he got 38 percent!
And the Bronx! Trump received 27 percent of the vote in the Bronx yesterday, roughly three times as much as his 10 percent in 2016 or Romney’s 8 percent in 2012. The Bronx, which is only 8.6 percent non-Hispanic white. The Bronx, which used to break my Congressional models because it was so Democratic.2

Even as whites have declined as a share of the population, the Emerging Democratic Majority is neither emerging nor a majority. Instead, Trump will almost certainly win Republicans the popular vote and perhaps an outright majority for just the second time since 1988. And he’s gained the most support among the fastest-growing ethnic groups — in particular, Hispanic voters, according to both exit polls and the ecological evidence.
The other factor is that last night wasn’t even particularly suspenseful. Kamala Harris got some promising early returns in places like Indiana. But the problem was that they were indeed early votes — the Election Day vote came in heavily Trump. As a frequent attendee of sporting events, I know that people are bit more rational about defeat when it comes quickly — you go to a baseball game, the Mets are down 5-0 after the first inning, and you’re not angry so much as disappointed. You realize that “hey, we just don’t have it right now — what can we do to improve?”.
I believe the clarity of this election may prove to be helpful in the long run to Democrats. There won’t be quite so much second-guessing of the little decisions — I’ll shut up about She Shoulda Picked Shapiro because it wouldn’t have mattered when Harris lost every swing state.3 The most important decision — Biden’s choice to run for another term — will and should be scrutinized. But I suppose my gut is that a Whitmer-Shapiro ticket would have won a few of those swing states and probably the popular vote, but still not the Electoral College.
This isn’t the time for the incrementalism of Clinton or Biden or Harris. Rather, this is the election when the party very much should be asking, “Bro, what the fuck just happened?”. And it will need to get its act together quickly. In his second term, Trump will have fewer guardrails and more of a mandate — and his performance may be even more erratic since he’ll be even older than Biden is now by the end of his term.
The Democratic Party’s whole theory of the case is wrong. You’re going to read a lot of diagnoses over the next few weeks about why it was wrong or how it went wrong or what might done to correct it. (I may even give you a few of those myself.) The party has a strong bench, and their congressional candidates outperformed the top of the ticket last night. They’ll probably retake the House in 2026 (and still retain an outside chance of doing so this year) but they’ll have their work cut out for them in the Senate, where the GOP majority will probably be 53 or 54 seats.
For now, I don’t have the answers. But I do know this is a problem the party should have been prepared for, because there was plenty of evidence for it in polls and election data, evidence that was unskewed and denied at every turn. Maybe the first move should be going out to a diner in Queens.

 

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[DC_Dude]

For the life of me, I get it prices and shit was high, but whatever happened to accountability and knowing how to fucking budget your got damn money.....

 

[Piff Henderson]

You know what I want this to happen so people could feel the pain really quickly because nobody is not buying new cars and everyone got cars that come from overseas or the parts come from overseas. I want people to feel the pain quickly.

You and me both, fam. I've now embraced the doctrine of accelerationism. I urge everyone to save your money and buy only necessities. With a combined effort, we can do great damage to the US economy and exacerbate the misery of the American people.

They'll have no one to blame but Trump and the Republican Congress.

 

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[easy_b]

 

[playahaitian]

@Camille​

 

[donwuan]

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[playahaitian]

We should

But We won't

 

[dugington]

I would think this would be the case.
But then I remember how 'kumbaya' this generation can be with dwight mann at times.

 

[kes1111]

How do you think the PUBLIC will respond if Kamala demands a recount and/or investigation much like Al Gore wanted to do?

Democrats always seem so afraid to do anything the Republicans MIGHT have also done

I think it might be in "poor taste" to dispute it

they want a friendly transfer of power?

I PERSONALLY think they should

but I would not be surprised if they did not

They absolutely should demand a recount and investigation, especially since Biden still has a few months left. As @easy_b said, the numbers don’t look right.

trump said Virginia was blocked by a federal judge from purging voters and she won Virginia he didn't say anything about Pennsylvania Michigan or Wisconsin

 

[Duece]

And this type of shit has to stop.

I'm in New Orleans and it's only a matter of time before our hoe-ish ass mayor gets indicted.

 

[playahaitian]

@easy_b​

 

[playahaitian]

trump said Virginia was blocked by a federal judge from purging voters and she won Virginia he didn't say anything about Pennsylvania Michigan or Wisconsin

holy sh*t

 

[DC_Dude]

Immigration camps. Wow

 

[easy_b]

 

[Piff Henderson]

Way ahead of you. There's really no celebrities out there, Black or anything else, who I support. I watch and listen to all of my entertainment for free.

I urge everyone to do the same.

 

[Piff Henderson]

@easy_b​

Is Change.org still up and operational? Maybe we should use that as well.

 

[easy_b]

These people is about to bankrupt this country

 

[RUDY RAYYY MO]

We should

But We won't

Focus shoukd be on the mid terms now he's in it is what it is...folks should but won't

 

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[slewdem100]

This here is exactly why Democrats lost. If you refuse to hear out where you fucked up, what message does that send? Secondly, how exactly do you learn from your mistakes? And third, who on earth would vote for you? People do not resonate with far left liberal ideologies. The faster Democrats understand that, the faster they can heal from this and move on. Blaming others is a historically Red move. I know it’s raw right now so I’ll give some grace but you’re better than that.

These current Dems are not far left in the least besides gay, tranny type issues...certainly not on economic issues...for the record, liberals are not far left....the true far left would be popular if their message was ever able to get to the masses unfiltered...this will not happen in this society...the far left and progressives have been beaten down so successfully that others have usurped their identity...but they are not the real thing

I do agree that blaming the electorate is nonsense if the Dems plan to move forward...Biden has a 40% approval rating...she said she wouldn't do anything different from Biden...the Dems did some things to deal with it the economy and inflation and the indicators are it's beginning to turn around (Trump will inherit this)...for whatever reason the Dems were unable to communicate the incoming success