"WW C"- COVID-19, GLOBAL CASES SURPASS 676 MILLION...CASES 676,609,955 DEATHS 6,881,955 US CASES 103,804,263 US DEATHS 1,123,836 8:30pm 1/28/24

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At some point we need to treat this the same way we do hurricanes; Nobody can force you to evacuate but they sure as hell aren't coming to get your ass after the fact. We should limit hospital resources/physicians etc. to those who attempted to protect themselves with the vaccine. Let the others continue to use social media to treat themselves. We do it with organ transplants so I don't see why we shouldn't do it with this...
 

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At some point we need to treat this the same way we do hurricanes; Nobody can force you to evacuate but they sure as hell aren't coming to get your ass after the fact. We should limit hospital resources/physicians etc. to those who attempted to protect themselves with the vaccine. Let the others continue to use social media to treat themselves. We do it with organ transplants so I don't see why we shouldn't do it with this...
What about Americans who refuse to lose weight and/or take some fucking personal responsibility? I just put in yet another month of about 140 miles and watching what I eat because I know this virus fucks with puffy people. Mask and vaccine is just half-assing it. So those of us who at least act like we give a fuck about our bodies should get priority with those hospital resources.

 

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What about Americans who refuse to lose weight and/or take some fucking personal responsibility? I just put in yet another month of about 140 miles and watching what I eat because I know this virus fucks with puffy people. Mask and vaccine is just half-assing it. So those of us who at least act like we give a fuck about our bodies should get priority with those hospital resources.


Vaccination status would be way easier to screen than BMI or some other metric for fitness. Besides, it is the unvaccinated causing the strains on the hospital systems. The bulk of the sick, elderly, immunocompromised etc. (high covid risk people) are vaccinated and yet the "healthy" unvaccinated still lead in covid deaths/hospitalizations:

COVID-19 hospitalization rates among 12 - 34 year-olds are 14.9 times higher in the unvaccinated population than in the population receiving at least one booster

A cohort study of more than 1.5 million hospital admissions in Canada through the first 2 years of the COVID-19 pandemic has quantified the benefit of vaccinations. Unvaccinated patients were found to be up to 15 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than fully vaccinated patients

NYC had similarly crazy data a few years back:
32K+ unvaccinated hospitalizations compared to 1k vaccinated.

Coddling these unvaccinated idiots has a deleterious impact on the health system as a whole and I am tired of it. They know more than the scientists, physicians, nurses etc. so let them be the rugged individuals that they claim to be. :smh: :lol:
 

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Vaccination status would be way easier to screen than BMI or some other metric for fitness. Besides, it is the unvaccinated causing the strains on the hospital systems. The bulk of the sick, elderly, immunocompromised etc. (high covid risk people) are vaccinated and yet the "healthy" unvaccinated still lead in covid deaths/hospitalizations:

COVID-19 hospitalization rates among 12 - 34 year-olds are 14.9 times higher in the unvaccinated population than in the population receiving at least one booster

A cohort study of more than 1.5 million hospital admissions in Canada through the first 2 years of the COVID-19 pandemic has quantified the benefit of vaccinations. Unvaccinated patients were found to be up to 15 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than fully vaccinated patients

NYC had similarly crazy data a few years back:
32K+ unvaccinated hospitalizations compared to 1k vaccinated.

Coddling these unvaccinated idiots has a deleterious impact on the health system as a whole and I am tired of it. They know more than the scientists, physicians, nurses etc. so let them be the rugged individuals that they claim to be. :smh: :lol:
They still are able to track that shit though. Shit, in a lot of Americans, it's obvious they overweight and obesity is easy for an eye test. They got the math on 8 out of 10 people being hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese, so let's not protect these cows. They put a strain on our healthcare system in general fam. So between the at-risk unvaccinated and the cows, fuck them all.

I ain't with coddling anyone. Again, fuck'em all. And the funny part is I bet most those unvaccinated people are overweight or obese. Double whammy. :lol: Remember, being a fat ass is a fucking risk factor for Covid. So imagine being fat AND not taking the vaccine.
 

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As new BA.2.86 COVID variant emerges, America lifts middle finger to the same old mandates

“We’re at an inflection point,” said CNN chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

More and more public-health officials are dusting off their old face masks and encouraging Americans to do the same for the new BA.2.86 variant of COVID-19, he explained.

Hearing that, Meghan McCain went to social media and spoke for an entire nation: “Uh no, we ain’t starting this s--- again.”

McCain isn’t some right-wing reactionary. She’s not QAnon. She’s not a wrapped-in-the-flag freedom marcher. On this issue she is very much mainstream.

Her point is that the COVID-19 endemic will be much different than the pandemic. Americans are a lot wiser now about this pathogen and the people who tried to manage it the last time around.

COVID tanked our trust in public health​

That’s important information if you’re a doctor or public health official or epidemiologist.

We’re not starting at the same place we did when COVID-19 arrived on our shores in January 2020.

The American people don’t trust you.

Not the way we once did. Americans barely trust any of our institutions anymore, so health care is not alone on the bottom rungs in our society.

But in the past two years, confidence in health care officials has dropped 10 points from 44% to 34%, according to a Gallup tracking poll.

Trust in doctors, nurses won't be easily restored​

In terms of trust, doctors and nurses used to occupy a high place in our society. But that’s over and probably gone for a generation.

As the son of a pediatric radiologist, I say that with sadness, because I’ve long believed in the medical profession. Such faith was weaved into our family fabric.

No more. Not after what happened with COVID-19.

I also say this as someone not interested in settling scores over the pandemic. All of us went through this 100-year event together. We all got stuff right, and we all got stuff wrong, because these are complicated once-in-a-generation disruptors that are not easily understood in real time.

Public health officials, however, got so much wrong during the COVID-19 pandemic and asserted it with such confidence that they will not soon restore the trust they once enjoyed.

What's killing us? More young Americans are dying – and it's not COVID. Why aren't we searching for answers?

Fauci kept changing his tune on masks, COVID vaccines​

You can begin with Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to Presidents Donald Trump and Joe Biden, who began the pandemic telling the general public not to wear face masks.


Fauci was trying to preserve the short supply of surgical masks for health care professionals, but he would soon change his tune and advise Americans to mask up.

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Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, speaks during a White House briefing on Nov. 22, 2022.
He did the same on herd immunity, changing his estimates throughout the pandemic. He began saying herd immunity would begin at about 60% to 70%, but by the end was saying 90%.

As reported in The New York Times in December 2020, Fauci admitted he fudged the truth: “Dr. Fauci said that weeks ago, he had hesitated to publicly raise his estimate because many Americans seemed hesitant about vaccines, which they would need to accept almost universally in order for the country to achieve herd immunity.

“Now that some polls are showing that many more Americans are ready, even eager, for vaccines, he said he felt he could deliver the tough message that the return to normal might take longer than anticipated.”

America locked down public schools​

Even as Western Europe began to reopen its public schools, backed with new studies that public school children were far less susceptible to COVID-19 and its most harmful effects, the United States resisted.

Teachers unions in America stonewalled and delayed the return. When students did come back, they demanded students be masked.

In-person learning helps mental health: COVID set students back, but there's good news on mental health as new school year starts

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was “file drawering” its own data showing face masks mandates for students had no statistically significant benefit, reported New York magazine, hardly a vessel of the MAGA right.

But it was the George Floyd protests of 2020 that really damaged the credibility of public health officials.

After spending weeks condemning conservative “freedom marchers” for causing super-spreader events with their outdoor protests, the greater portion of the medical establishment gave its blessing to left-wing political marchers protesting police brutality.

Some protests were deemed medically OK. Others weren't.​

More than 1,300 epidemiologists and health workers signed a letter saying the social justice protests “must be supported,” The Times reported: “As public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for Covid-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health.”

Some epidemiologists wrestled with the contradiction afterwards.

“I certainly condemned the anti-lockdown protests at the time, and I’m not condemning the protests now, and I struggle with that,” said Catherine Troisi, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston. “I have a hard time articulating why that is OK.”

Mark Lurie, a professor of epidemiology at Brown University, said, “Instinctively, many of us in public health feel a strong desire to act against accumulated generations of racial injustice. But we have to be honest: A few weeks before, we were criticizing protesters for arguing to open up the economy and saying that was dangerous behavior.”

Like so many of our institutions, American public health had been captured by ideology. It was putting politics before the best evidence at the time.

Don't censure. Just give us the facts.​

As we came to understand later, the threat to both sets of marchers was not particularly great.

“The C.D.C. vastly overstated the risks of outdoor spread of the virus, which (at least until the emergence of the Delta variant) appears to be closer to 0.1 percent than as high as 10 percent,” noted New York Times columnist Bret Stephens in his July 27, 2021, column “COVID Misinformation Comes From the Top, Too.”

As the BA.2.86 variant rears itself in America, public health is at a new starting point.

Without the trust of the American people, it is more important than ever that medical professionals tell the truth and not twist it to produce desired outcomes.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/ot...de31cbd562da1d3&ei=51&fullscreen=true#image=1
Don’t try to censor pushback. Meet it with your best evidence.

Be honest. Be transparent.

That’s the approach Meghan McCain’s father used to call “straight talk.”


 

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“Countless mainstream media outlets are now pushing "Eris", a new "Covid variant" named by the WHO after the Greek goddess of discord and strife”

Man this shit don’t stop
 

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As new BA.2.86 COVID variant emerges, America lifts middle finger to the same old mandates

“We’re at an inflection point,” said CNN chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

More and more public-health officials are dusting off their old face masks and encouraging Americans to do the same for the new BA.2.86 variant of COVID-19, he explained.

Hearing that, Meghan McCain went to social media and spoke for an entire nation: “Uh no, we ain’t starting this s--- again.”

McCain isn’t some right-wing reactionary. She’s not QAnon. She’s not a wrapped-in-the-flag freedom marcher. On this issue she is very much mainstream.

Her point is that the COVID-19 endemic will be much different than the pandemic. Americans are a lot wiser now about this pathogen and the people who tried to manage it the last time around.

COVID tanked our trust in public health​

That’s important information if you’re a doctor or public health official or epidemiologist.

We’re not starting at the same place we did when COVID-19 arrived on our shores in January 2020.

The American people don’t trust you.

Not the way we once did. Americans barely trust any of our institutions anymore, so health care is not alone on the bottom rungs in our society.

But in the past two years, confidence in health care officials has dropped 10 points from 44% to 34%, according to a Gallup tracking poll.

Trust in doctors, nurses won't be easily restored​

In terms of trust, doctors and nurses used to occupy a high place in our society. But that’s over and probably gone for a generation.

As the son of a pediatric radiologist, I say that with sadness, because I’ve long believed in the medical profession. Such faith was weaved into our family fabric.

No more. Not after what happened with COVID-19.

I also say this as someone not interested in settling scores over the pandemic. All of us went through this 100-year event together. We all got stuff right, and we all got stuff wrong, because these are complicated once-in-a-generation disruptors that are not easily understood in real time.

Public health officials, however, got so much wrong during the COVID-19 pandemic and asserted it with such confidence that they will not soon restore the trust they once enjoyed.

What's killing us? More young Americans are dying – and it's not COVID. Why aren't we searching for answers?

Fauci kept changing his tune on masks, COVID vaccines​

You can begin with Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to Presidents Donald Trump and Joe Biden, who began the pandemic telling the general public not to wear face masks.


Fauci was trying to preserve the short supply of surgical masks for health care professionals, but he would soon change his tune and advise Americans to mask up.

AA14qq4g.img

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, speaks during a White House briefing on Nov. 22, 2022.
He did the same on herd immunity, changing his estimates throughout the pandemic. He began saying herd immunity would begin at about 60% to 70%, but by the end was saying 90%.

As reported in The New York Times in December 2020, Fauci admitted he fudged the truth: “Dr. Fauci said that weeks ago, he had hesitated to publicly raise his estimate because many Americans seemed hesitant about vaccines, which they would need to accept almost universally in order for the country to achieve herd immunity.

“Now that some polls are showing that many more Americans are ready, even eager, for vaccines, he said he felt he could deliver the tough message that the return to normal might take longer than anticipated.”

America locked down public schools​

Even as Western Europe began to reopen its public schools, backed with new studies that public school children were far less susceptible to COVID-19 and its most harmful effects, the United States resisted.

Teachers unions in America stonewalled and delayed the return. When students did come back, they demanded students be masked.

In-person learning helps mental health: COVID set students back, but there's good news on mental health as new school year starts

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was “file drawering” its own data showing face masks mandates for students had no statistically significant benefit, reported New York magazine, hardly a vessel of the MAGA right.

But it was the George Floyd protests of 2020 that really damaged the credibility of public health officials.

After spending weeks condemning conservative “freedom marchers” for causing super-spreader events with their outdoor protests, the greater portion of the medical establishment gave its blessing to left-wing political marchers protesting police brutality.

Some protests were deemed medically OK. Others weren't.​

More than 1,300 epidemiologists and health workers signed a letter saying the social justice protests “must be supported,” The Times reported: “As public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for Covid-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health.”

Some epidemiologists wrestled with the contradiction afterwards.

“I certainly condemned the anti-lockdown protests at the time, and I’m not condemning the protests now, and I struggle with that,” said Catherine Troisi, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston. “I have a hard time articulating why that is OK.”

Mark Lurie, a professor of epidemiology at Brown University, said, “Instinctively, many of us in public health feel a strong desire to act against accumulated generations of racial injustice. But we have to be honest: A few weeks before, we were criticizing protesters for arguing to open up the economy and saying that was dangerous behavior.”

Like so many of our institutions, American public health had been captured by ideology. It was putting politics before the best evidence at the time.

Don't censure. Just give us the facts.​

As we came to understand later, the threat to both sets of marchers was not particularly great.

“The C.D.C. vastly overstated the risks of outdoor spread of the virus, which (at least until the emergence of the Delta variant) appears to be closer to 0.1 percent than as high as 10 percent,” noted New York Times columnist Bret Stephens in his July 27, 2021, column “COVID Misinformation Comes From the Top, Too.”

As the BA.2.86 variant rears itself in America, public health is at a new starting point.

Without the trust of the American people, it is more important than ever that medical professionals tell the truth and not twist it to produce desired outcomes.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/ot...de31cbd562da1d3&ei=51&fullscreen=true#image=1
Don’t try to censor pushback. Meet it with your best evidence.

Be honest. Be transparent.

That’s the approach Meghan McCain’s father used to call “straight talk.”


It's crazy to look at all the 'misinformation' that came from trusted sources. That's why not one person with fucking sense trusts censors who block what is 'misinformation' one day, then true the next. The article didn't even bring up the shit in the middle of 2021 with vaccine/dropping mask fiasco. :smh: Shit some of us called bullshit on in this very thread.

Yeah, no need to touch on the batshit blatant shit coming from the far right. But the mainstream coming out the gate lying about masks and other shit just has killed trust. To think those of us who pushed for masks in March 2020 would have been censored(possibly banned) for spreading 'misinformation' is crazy(I'm talking about the standards that have emerged since that time on 'misinformation' and censoring). That's why I'm team FUCK CENSORSHIP. They killed trust and have no one to blame but themselves.

Stay safe everyone. Nothing wrong with doing your own research if you know how to source. This thread has proof of that going back 3.5 years.
 

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