Yellowjackets discussion thread

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The second season of Yellowjackets just started and after seeing a couple of folks interested in it in the TV series thread, I thought it might be cool to have a thread for discussing this show as season 2 unfolds. Seeing none existing, here it is.

Yellowjackets
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Debuts March 24, 2023

We need a dedicated thread for this series.




For the uninitiated, Yellowjackets is the story of a 1996 girls high school soccer team who wins the state championship and travels for a big national match but their plane crashes somewhere in the Canadian wilderness and they are stranded for 19 months. The show follows their time in the wilderness along with their current day lives-- at least those of the survivors.

It has been described as a female Lord of the Flies and also as a cross between Lost and Mean Girls.

Season 1 trailer:


Season 2 trailer:


New episodes are released every Friday... I'll be watching the first episode of the second season tonight or tomorrow and come back with my thoughts and then be watching weekly.

Spoilers to follow!
 

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BGOL is undefeated. Good looking out, fam.

BTW, who is the OP? The Catcher in the Rye is a favorite book of mine so I thought he was cool. :lol:
When haven’t I been cool? This fool doesn’t know me, he’s just on the hunt and deranged.

I’d like it if we could stick to discussing Yellowjackets here…
 

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When haven’t I been cool? This fool doesn’t know me, he’s just on the hunt and deranged.

I’d like it if we could stick to discussing Yellowjackets here…
Like I said, you're cool AFAIK. I was just wondering what lightbright knew that I didn't.

I haven't seen the show yet so I can't discuss it.
 

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Like I said, you're cool AFAIK. I was just wondering what lightbright knew that I didn't.

I haven't seen the show yet so I can't discuss it.
He just doesn’t trust new members, there’s not one thing specific to me that motivated this psycho to stalk me.

Anyway, I have him on ignore and won’t be addressing this any further.
 

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Good looking out. What brother would have a user name like that? Cac Mark David Chapman?
The fag got mad when I called him out...called me a psycho..... said that he put me on ignore...... a brand-new member talking like he's been here a minute... his posting style is so recognizable
sidebar: he was going at it with @Complex too, brand new and wet behind the ears

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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My observations and takeaways from season 2, episode 1:

  • I don't like the supernatural element of the show, which seems to be taking over. But I am curious to see how Lottie developed into Marianne Williamson.

  • Symone’s demands of “seek treatment and step down” seemed forced to up the stakes. Forest Kamala is not going to let Symone destroy her career, so what’s she going to do?

  • I hit pause halfway through, saw the title of the episode and it was very clear what was being referenced. Gross.

  • Didn’t really understand Jeff’s post-coital demeanor at all.

  • Overall rating: B
 

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AV Club recap/review: I disagree with their assessment of Adult Taissa as the only person doing worse than their teen counterpart-- Adult Natilie would like a word! LOL @ the the teeth critique, a valid point.


Yellowjackets season 2 premiere: Hell freezes over

The Showtime sensation returns with a long, brutal winter and a burgeoning murder investigation
By Hattie Lindert

Published March 24, 2023

Showtime’s Yellowjackets ended its excellent first season with the literal bang of a broken-down door, but season two opens with a whisper. An establishing shot coasts over the lake by which our stranded girls soccer team has made a not-so-happy home, moving onto trees now caked with snow. It’s pitch black out, but Natalie (Sophie Thatcher) and Travis (Kevin Alves) are up, preparing to head out to hunt. Before they leave, Lottie (Courtney Eaton)—also awake, and seated at the window—provides them with an ashy blessing: As they leave, she sketches that enduring symbol in the condensation on the cabin window. If it weren’t for the porno magazines Natalie and Travis stuff their jackets with for warmth, an uninitiated viewer would be hard pressed to believe this is 1996 onscreen. Welcome to the wilderness.

Showtime’s Yellowjackets ended its excellent first season with the literal bang of a broken-down door, but season two opens with a whisper. An establishing shot coasts over the lake by which our stranded girls soccer team has made a not-so-happy home, moving onto trees now caked with snow. It’s pitch black out, but Natalie (Sophie Thatcher) and Travis (Kevin Alves) are up, preparing to head out to hunt. Before they leave, Lottie (Courtney Eaton)—also awake, and seated at the window—provides them with an ashy blessing: As they leave, she sketches that enduring symbol in the condensation on the cabin window. If it weren’t for the porno magazines Natalie and Travis stuff their jackets with for warmth, an uninitiated viewer would be hard pressed to believe this is 1996 onscreen. Welcome to the wilderness.

Picking up two months from the events of season-one finale “Sic Transit Gloria Mundi,” the ‘90s half of Yellowjackets’ split timeline finds any remaining airs of “how did we end up like this?” among the survivors dissipated, just like the game Natalie and Travis keep pushing further into uncharted territory to find. There is no more frolicking in the lake, cheering each other on at target practice, or sleeping off shrooms and berry hooch in stained homecoming dresses under the stars. Winter is no longer on the horizon; it’s here.

That means, of course, that everyone has to lean harder on their own creature comforts, however spare those may be. Coach Ben (Steven Kreuger) eagerly organizes hand-drawn maps Natalie has been crafting on the backs of old textbook print-outs. Lottie is diving into her spirituality. Taissa (Jasmin Savoy Brown) and Van (Liv Hewson)—the latter consistently the cheeriest, most down-to-earth member of the bunch—play hand soccer and, at night, tie their wrists together with rope so that Taissa won’t sleepwalk out into the frigid night with her still-mysterious “bad one” on autopilot. (Adult Taissa, living single and without her son Sammy since her wife Simone found their dog Biscuit’s head on a basement altar, may be the only adult counterpart truly faring worse than her teen self.) Shauna (Sophie Nélisse), too, has resorted to brain games like M*A*S*H to stay entertained. But in a move that draws sympathy and disgust from her compatriots in equal measure, she prefers to play them out in the meat shed with the frozen, preserved dead body of her once best friend, Jackie (Ella Purnell), who Shauna hallucinates lengthy heart-to-hearts with.

When Jackie’s ear breaks off of her corpse, Shauna slips it into her pocket. It’s an all-but-subconscious decision that ultimately finds Shauna, close to term in her pregnancy with Jackie’s boyfriend Jeff’s baby, instigating the series’ long-teased cannibalism. Cue Madonna’s “What It Feels Like For A Girl.”

As much as Lottie needs her, as Natalie deems it, “Wicca bullshit” to find some semblance of sense in their predicament, she’s not the only one looking to find the light. Travis, still desperately trying to track down a missing Javi (Luciano Leroux), dutifully lets Lottie anoint him before they head out for an early morning hunt, as Natalie looks on in both jealousy and frustration. Nat’s all but certain that, after two months in the cold, Javi can’t be out there alive. But Lottie continues to encourage Travis’ search, telling him that she knows Javi is. Like the gold necklace the series premiere’s “pit girl” wears, the Travis-Jackie-Natalie love triangle of season one’s back half was clearly just a red herring. What happens between Travis, Natalie, and Lottie stands to ultimately be far more influential years down the line.

Speaking of years down the line: When we last saw grown-up Natalie (Juliette Lewis) in season one, she was being tossed into a van by a collective of unidentified, purple-suited people ostensibly working for Lottie, and wearing talismans with that vaguely malevolent symbol: the same one scratched into the cabin floor and the same one that appeared to form the candle formation Travis died hanging above. Season one’s finale only hinted at adult Lottie’s existence, where season two presents her real and in the flesh (and played by Simone Kessell), standing by a lake much like the one where the late Laura Lee (Jane Widdop) first baptized her. After a few decades, Lottie has found a new coalition of lost souls to lead in a healthy mix of self-help, new-age spirituality, and practices like burying a naked older man alive while wearing animal masks. “Right now, there is a version of you that knows exactly who you really are and what you really want” Lottie preaches. “A primal, elemental self.” She’s not exactly crazy; but she’s not exactly free, either.

All of this, of course, is news to Natalie when she wakes up strapped in leather handcuffs to a bed on Lottie’s cult compound, facing a new and eerily well-cast youthful foe in a purple-suited Lottie emissary who looks quite a lot like a youthful Lewis herself. Although Nat tries to escape like a bat out of hell when given a chance, Lottie stops her—or more accurately, Nat stops herself.

According to Lottie, she has a message for Natalie directly from Travis. As Lewis’ performance in the scene dexterously captures, that’s not something Nat’s willing to just let go of, even if it means signing on for another season of Wicca bullshit.

Lottie’s cult is also news to a devastated Misty (Christina Ricci), who refuses to believe Nat would just abandon a bestie like that. When she uses her powers of creepy persuasion to sneak into Natalie’s old motel room, the splinters on the door give away a struggle, and Misty is officially back on her trail.

For Misty, that means taking a quick break from helping Shauna (Melanie Lynskey) and Jeff (Warren Kole, pitch-perfect as always) cover up the murder of her mysterious, faux art-student ex-lover Adam (Peter Gadiot). Shauna’s daughter Callie (Sarah Desjardins) knows her mom is covering up his death, but doesn’t seem quite yet attuned to exactly what Shauna Shipman is capable of (although Callie’s end-of-episode discovery of Adam’s charred drivers license in her family barbecue pit might turn the tables on that).

Scene re-setting (although admittedly the necessary kind) does bog down the premiere at times. Establishing two new time jumps while also chronicling Lottie’s stay in a mental institution after her rescue isn’t light work, and the Lottie re-introduction especially still feels disjointed from the two central timelines. But especially in the wilderness, where both the physical horror and emotional toll of survival are already leveling up, Yellowjackets doesn’t miss a step in planting the audience right back in that claustrophobic yet all-too-expansive world. Just like the teammates at its center, Yellowjackets is already demonstrating that this is a story built to survive—and in its own fucked-up, traumatized, woo-woo way, thrive.

Stray observations
  • Over the course of season one, Jeff became a sleeper favorite character of mine: At the intersection between doofy and sardonic, that man definitely holds some cache. But never have I appreciated him more than in this episode, jamming out to Papa Roach in a parked car after having weird circumstances sex with his long-time wife. Honorable mention: when he busts out the joke “How do you get an art major off your porch? You pay for the pizza.” Safely stowing that one away for my next Bushwick happy hour.
  • Simone Kessell was born to wear yellow.
  • Adult Taissa and Lydia Tár are absolutely spiritually aligned. Whether they would get along well or absolutely rip each other to shreds I’m not so sure about.
  • In the wilderness, how are everybody’s teeth still kind of good? Not one of these girls is missing a retainer, let alone handling a cavity situation?
  • The introduction of previously-unseen survivor Crystal is a little confusing (we really never saw these girls before?) but certainly bodes well for the show’s dedication to darkly ironic creep-out comedy. It makes so much sense that an out-to-lunch theater devotee who often just forgets she’s singing out loud would survive for months in the wilderness. So method!
  • Do my ears deceive me, or did we receive a first (voice) introduction to Elijah Wood’s new character—described as a fellow citizen detective who ultimately befriends Misty—via the online username “PutTheSickInForensics?” If so: love.
  • I say this in full awareness that our 1996 survivors are primed to begin engaging in cannibalism and full on wilderness worship: Is there a single character on this series right now in more danger than Taissa’s new dog Steve? With all the love and respect in the world towards my sleepwalking, dirt-eating queen: get Steve away from her and her altar!
  • I kind of love Callie’s nothing boyfriend solely for being nothing. I get older, but high school stays the same.
  • Grade: A-
 

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There are some interesting theories out there about the woman working for Lottie who kidnapped Natalie...

Also, big spoiler alert, just my own theory...

pretty obvious from the second episode that Coach Ben is going to be sacrificed and eaten soon. I saw some speculation toward that from people previewing this season but him being the only person showing contempt for the cannibalism and abstaining really telegraphed it IMO.

Episode 2 grade: A-
 

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I forgot to say-- i think it was certainly Taissa who shit in the bucket.

Episode 2 AV Club review:

Yellowjackets delivers the moment we've all been waiting for
The survivors reach the point of no return, while their adult counterparts run from some hard realities
By Hattie Lindert
Published March 31, 2023 Comments (76)

The original song by Craig Wedren and Anna Waronker that soundtracks Yellowjackets’ opening credits has the snarling refrain: “No return, no return, no reason.” Despite the series’ elemental reality—that a certain number of stranded Yellowjackets soccer players did return from the wilderness, 19 months later—the intro has always felt apt, given that each episode pushes the survivors (and their grown counterparts) closer to a point of no return and an insurmountable level of trauma witnessed, experienced, and unleashed.

But the second episode of season two dives across a line that’s been drawn in the sand (snow?) since the series premiere: cannibalism. Everyone has been surviving off the last of the bear Lottie killed back in the season-one finale (as recapped here by Leila Latif), but rations are running low, meat remains elusive, and Shauna’s eating for two. The threat of starvation—and the gnawing desperation of hunger—has never felt realer. (See Shauna’s season premiere-ending nibble on Jackie’s ear.)

Growing suspicious of what exactly Shauna has been doing with Jackie’s corpse, Taissa goes into the shed one afternoon and sees Shauna’s unstable anguish laid bare. Shauna has been putting makeup on her dead best friend, braiding her hair, and posing her, as Taissa puts it, “like some fucked-up doll.” When Tai lays down the law that it’s time to dispose of Jackie’s body—both for Shauna’s good and the good of her baby—it’s a wildly layered moment of acting and a series best for Savoy-Brown, who quickly emerging as one of Yellowjackets’ most powerful axes. “We can cremate her,” Tai tearfully tells a whimpering Shauna after Shauna insists they can’t bury Jackie with the ground frozen solid. As she mourns for Shauna, Jackie, and the reality of their situation, Tai’s thick skin cracks, revealing a frightened, childlike persona that we’ve previously only seen in the moments after she wakes up from a bout of sleepwalking. Even after months in the cold, some horrors still cut through the numb.

As Tai reveals to the rest of the group during the confrontation, Jackie’s corpse has been serving as a conduit for the most private—and most primal—parts of Shauna’s psyche. There’s the guilt and loneliness, of course—made manifest in the hair-braiding, beautifying, and posing—and the vicious inner critic. “You weren’t always the smart one; you just liked to think you were,” Jackie-via-Shauna’s-thoughts observes during one of their girl-to-dead-girl talks in the shed, before swiftly pivoting: “You know Jeff only had sex with you because I made you into someone else, and you only had sex with him so you could imagine being me.” It’s a real ostentatious shame-on-Shauna gauntlet (and a likely inner monologue), ending with Jackie confronting Shauna about a certain missing ear Jackie insists Shauna is “hungry for” by slicing off a piece of her own skin. Horrified, Shauna begs Jackie to stop, before touching back down in reality and realizing it’s not her best friend goading her. Yet again, Shauna is the one holding the knife.

Ultimately, the first foray into cannibalism plays out as follows: After Shauna lights fire to a funeral pyre for Jackie—on which Travis places a bloodied pair of Javi’s shorts Natalie planted in a desperate attempt to free him from what she’s certain is a fruitless search—everyone heads to bed. In the middle of the night, (while Travis and Natalie engage in a hallucinatory, Lottie-filled hookup), everyone is awoken and called outside again by an unmistakable scent. Maybe it was the wind, or a decisive stroke of fate, but a thick pile of snow shaken off by some lofty fir branch has landed directly on Jackie, extinguishing the blaze beneath her–and leaving her body cooked medium-well. “She wants us to,” Shauna whispers, clutching her stomach and reaching for a charred corner of Jackie’s arm. As Coach Ben retreats to the cabin in both disgust and terror, dinner is unceremoniously served, and devoured.
Finally putting to screen a moment the series has been building to from the beginning comes with serious pressure to perform, and Yellowjackets delivers, delving into the series’ existing surrealism as a way to mitigate the grotesqueness of gorging on your dead friends without losing any of the potent, animalistic horror. Shots of the group cannibalizing Jackie are intercut with visions of them dressed as Grecian gods and goddesses seated around a harvest-laden table in faster and faster time, melding both scenes into one racing montage as the survivors (minus Ben) feast. This is the kind of meal you don’t just get up and walk away from, happy-go-lucky and satiated. If they weren’t bound to each other by secrecy before, they are now.

Although it’s the most arresting one, the consumption of Jackie’s body isn’t the only point of no return the survivors face in episode two. Years in the future, Tai is again fully entrenched in her sleepwalking, pounding espressos to stay awake (and avoid her glaring reflection in the mirror, which has a troubling tendency to move on its own). When Sammy surprises her at home, snuggling Steve and insisting that he just walked right from school, she calls Simone to pick him up. It takes hours before Sammy’s school calls, indignant, wondering why he hasn’t been picked up yet. He was never at Taissa’s; as she realizes she imagined the whole thing, her face hardens, and she revs her car—with Simone in the passenger seat—into oncoming traffic. The more self-destructive Tai becomes, the more involuntary it all seems.

As season two kicks into gear, that sliding scale of culpability is proving to be central connective tissue between the series’ two timelines. Where each woman draws the line between the wilderness and real life, between surviving out there and surviving once home, has blurred considerably. Just ask the grotesque symbol-laden altar Tai confronts with a defeated frown in her basement, or the burned detritus of Adam’s ID in Shauna’s backyard grill, some of the last remaining evidence that she gutted him like game.

The clearest example of unreliable narration here is adult Lottie, who finally reveals to Nat what happened the night Travis died.

According to Lottie, Travis called her and told her “the wilderness” had returned to haunt him. When she asked him to expand on that, he hung up. After driving all night to reach his house, she found him paranoid and unstable, insisting that he wanted to get as close to dying as possible as a means to try and suss out what the wilderness wants. It worked for Lottie and Van back in Canada, Travis argues, so why shouldn’t it work for him too? When Lottie falls asleep at Travis’ side, he hightails it from the house. Lottie chases him down to the barn where he was ultimately found; there, she sees him standing amidst candles arranged to form the symbol, feet planted on the ground and neck hooked to a crane.
It’s here where Lottie’s own bias works a charm for the show’s undulating mystery: We don’t know if we can trust her version of events, and we’re not supposed to yet. As Lottie tells it, Travis begged her to help with his plan—choke himself to the point of passing out—until she finally agreed. Then, the crane jammed.

But what the audience sees in this moment is another one of Lottie’s violent visions: a whipping wind extinguishing the candles, a decaying, disjointed representation of Laura Lee’s corpse moving towards Lottie in the barn. Was Travis’ death really a horrible accident? Was the wilderness responsible? Or, just as Shauna finds herself holding the knife and Tai finds herself behind the wheel of a totaled SUV, was it Lottie’s unwitting doing? Each divorced from reality in their own way, are these women destined to repeat the patterns of survival that pulled them from darkness as teens until they immolate the adult lives they managed to build?

As both of Yellowjackets’ timelines apply pressure and squeeze, adolescence and adulthood begin slipping into one, and two very different ways of life start looking interchangeable. It’s a surreal convergence that skillfully encapsulates one of the series’ most enduring themes: trauma and how we live with it. Where is the line between empathy for your past self and refusal to inhabit the reality of what you’ve seen? And at what point do the coping mechanisms the girls once used to shield themselves from emotional and physical destruction—a belief, however legitimized, that the wilderness hears them—turn pernicious in their protection? For as much horror as the survivors have already experienced, co-showrunner Jonathan Lisco has already advised strapping in: Cannibalism is just the tip of the iceberg.
Stray observations
  • At long last, Elijah! After laying ears on him in episode one, we finally have eyes on Elijah Wood’s character Walter, a cargo-short-clad citizen detective who appears at Misty’s nursing home under the guise of needing a new caregiver for his aging mother. Within minutes, a blank note appears in the work fridge. Once Misty realizes it’s written in invisible ink, she’s rewarded with Walter’s perfectly flirtatious appraisal of her: “I have no doubt you’re reading this note because you’re too smart not to have figured it out.” Squeal!
  • Wood isn’t this episode’s only new face. Search Party’s John Paul Reynolds appears mid-episode as a deliciously age-inappropriate love interest for Callie. When they meet at a local bar, he tells her his name is Jay, and he’s just visiting family from Brooklyn; of course, none of that is true. “Jay” is actually Detective Matt Saracusa, who is working alongside Kevin Tan to investigate Shauna’s involvement in Adam’s death. New favorite B plot just dropped.
  • Which Callie one-liner are you: “What if I want to just vape until my head falls off?” or “So you lied to be feminist?”
  • Speaking of that last zinger: Will covering up a murder really be the thing that ultimately changes the weather in Shauna and Callie’s relationship? They’re not exactly fast friends yet, but it feels like we’re only a few not-so-white lies away from them finally acting something like partners in crime. After all, they are!
  • It’s heartening to know that, even under wilderness law, shitting in an open container and leaving it indoors remains unacceptable behavior.
  • All the rest of the survivors may have faced one of their worst weeks to date, but hey, at least Misty and Crystal are having fun.
  • Coach Ben crutching away and locking the doors as everyone else dives into their fucked-up feast feels like one of the few times I’ve stood on the side of pearl-clutching. All the other girls took a strong stand against shitting where they eat and sleep; Ben is well in his rights to take a stand against consuming his team captain’s necrotic corpse. Not to mention she’s a minor.
  • Travis has a lot to learn when it comes to women: namely, threesomes ALWAYS need to involve consent, even if they exist by way of a strange orgasmic religious vision.
  • Grade: A
 

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I binged season one last year on Showtime when they had a free preview.

Since then I got Paramount+ and Season 2 is being uploaded on it.

Gonna try to get the first 3 episodes knocked out this weekend.
 

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My episode 3 thoughts:

No idea what that ending meant- The most meh of the series for me so far.

Misty was the highlight of both timelines. I was surprised young Misty’s performance won applause but it was earned— easily the most entertainment or closest to watching a movie those girls had seen in months. And the slaps adult Misty provoked were a laugh out loud moment for me.

Also interested in where adult Shauna’s story is heading.

Thinking Ben as the next up is so telegraphed that they are probably actually going in a different direction.

I’m kind of a square but I would pass the strawberry lube test.

So uninterested in either Taissa storyline.

My grade: B-
 

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Season 2
Episodes 1 - 2

Watched these last night.

Series is still a slow burn, but more information is slowly coming out on what happened at the crash site.

With what happened with Jackie’s corpse, it’s becoming clear what’s going to happen to the other girls who didn’t make it home and gives some insight on what might have happened to Shaun’s baby.

It’s looking like Lottie is behind some of the sinister shit that went on at the crash site and current day. Natalie looks to be the one to figure it out.

Taissa with her sleepwalking at the crash site looks to have some connection to what is going on. The incident with her ex finding that shit in the basement and their son showing up at her house is showing her unaware connection to either Lottie or something else.

Shauna obviously is the grand connection to everything. Everything we have seen of her at the crash site and her behavior in current day Is what I think is the main clue. We will find out soon.

Will let a few episodes stack up again and catch up at the end of the month.
 

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It’s looking like Lottie is behind some of the sinister shit that went on at the crash site and current day. Natalie looks to be the one to figure it out.

It'll be interesting to see if you are right because I'm not picking up on that at all.

Though Lottie is my least favorite character because I don't like the supernatural shit, so I probably give less thought to her.
 

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AV Club episode 3 recap:

Yellowjackets recap: There will be blood
Misty forms a fast and furious friendship, Natalie butts heads with Lottie in both timelines, and Taissa is, well....

Has anyone ever faced a more glaring case of hangxiety than Taissa Turner? At the top of Yellowjackets’ third episode, our hungry hungry high-school athletes are finally full, with both a fellow teammate’s corpse and an iceberg of guilt they can’t quite fathom. But whether luckily or unluckily for her, it appears Tai’s alter ego was behind the wheel when the girls tucked in, and the average-teen version of Tai is due for an absolutely horrific realization. The next morning, Van gently breaks the news that it wasn’t a wild animal that ravaged Jackie’s remains, as Taissa suspects: They ate her. It was Taissa, in fact, who ate Jackie’s face. Choking back vomit, Tai screams in agony. Cue opening credits!

Now that the girls aren’t hungry for literal protein anymore (as burgeoning comedienne Mari deadpans the morning after, “I guess no one wants breakfast”), a new type of hunger takes precedence: the desire for some kind of higher purpose to cut through the monotony of what Jackie once aptly deemed “back-to-the-land bullshit.” With Shauna’s pregnancy almost to term—and her terror about motherhood nearly palpable—the girls decide a baby shower is the perfect event to follow up their perverse bacchanal. It’s as much a morale booster as it is a reminder of the traditions and social niceties that defined their lives in New Jersey, which have never felt further away: As Lottie reassures a spiraling Shauna, “You won’t hurt the baby.”

As teen Shauna’s fear of chaos moves towards a fever pitch, adult Shauna is moving in the opposite direction, grabbing a gun from the hands of an attempted carjacker (“Are you Rambo?!” an exasperated Jeff protests) and later, intimidating said carjacker with descriptions of peeling the skin off of a corpse. The more confident Shauna grows in her ability to maintain the appearance of a hum-drum housewife lifestyle, the clearer it becomes that she’s never been that person in the first place.

Shauna’s nose-dive into a life of crime doesn’t exactly bode well for Misty, who is diligently covering Shauna’s tracks while also trying to locate Natalie. Walter, officially angling for the role of Misty’s partner-in-crime, invites her to an interrogation. As Mr. PutsTheSickInForensic tells it, he’s managed to set up a meeting disguised as an FBI interrogation with a witness from Nat’s motel. That witness? The WHS student who puked during “Pump Up The Jam” freshman year, the best friend Jeff has cherished (to Shauna’s chagrin) since high school: It’s the indomitable Randy Walsh. Because Misty and Randy know each other, Misty leads the interrogation via an earpiece Walter wears. When he leans into bad-cop territory, the duo finally get fuzzy details on Lottie’s cult, or as Randy describes them, the purple suited people who drank all the Fantas from the vending machine. It’s not much, but it’s enough to kick Misty’s chase into a higher gear and strap Walter squarely into the passenger seat.

While Shauna and Misty lean into their less-demure personality traits, adult Taissa is also facing her demons head on–literally. After coming to in the hospital next to an unconscious Simone, Tai notices she’s drawn the symbol (which “the bad one” has had a knack for gravitating towards since her wilderness sleepwalking days) on the inside of Simone’s palm. Rushing to the bathroom to clear her head, she comes face to face with her own glaring, autonomous reflection: “the bad one” incarnate. After whispering unintelligibly at her, Tai’s reflection eventually resorts to image-based messaging, placing her fingers across her left eye in a gesture that directly evokes the symbol. That’s reason enough for Tai to immediately hightail it out of the hospital in her assistant’s car, destination unknown. Wherever she goes, she just wants to go fast: the wilderness is always close behind.

If the wilderness has caught up to anyone this episode, however, it’s Coach Ben. After refusing to partake in the Jackie buffet, Coach spends most of the episode in bed, slowly teetering towards starvation. In his weakened state, he finds himself musing on the last few nights he spent with his boyfriend, Paul. Before he left for nationals, Paul encouraged Ben to come out of the closet, move to the city with him, and fully embrace their life together. But Ben wasn’t ready and argued in a crushing moment of irony that if he were to forgo that plane to nationals and commit publicly to Paul, everything in his life would change—a seismic shift Ben just isn’t ready for. In an absolutely prescient read, Paul laments why Ben would want to stay with his team of “vicious little monsters.” Ben agrees, but insists: “They need me.” Poor Ben: If any character is being primed as the survivors’ next meal, it’s him.

Although some important relational strides are made in this episode, the increasingly chaotic nature of both timelines is starting to catch up to Yellowjackets. When the ground is frozen solid outside, laying groundwork is an arduous pursuit, and for the first time, I found myself frustrated at the unevenness of the build. Time jumps didn’t flow as organically (especially given Coach Ben’s flashbacks); more crudely-outlined survivors felt out of place next to their carefully-crafted counterparts; and the growing cast of characters on Lottie’s compound overwhelmed some of the minutiae of Lottie’s belief system. Why did she mount antlers above the door of her locked personal quarters? What’s with the burying alive in episode one? Why the heliotrope?

As it usually is with this series, looking forward requires looking back, and understanding adult Lottie’s mindset requires delving into teen Lottie’s transformation into a certain sort of messiah. Although in episode three, Lottie has managed to draw the devotion of a few survivors—Mari and Akilah most fervently—though Shauna isn’t one of them. In fact, despite the way Lottie supports she’s beginning to sense something utterly sinister about Lottie’s connection with the wilderness and that ever-present symbol, which Lottie sews onto a baby blanket for the child she’s been calling—to Shauna’s discomfort—“him.” In a classic Natalie-Lottie split, Nat insists it’s creepy to put the symbol on a baby’s swaddle, while Lottie argues that cabin guy was using the image as protection. “He died, Lottie!” Natalie shoots back.

It’s at that moment the wilderness decides to settle the beef: Shauna’s nose starts bleeding, dripping onto the embroidered symbol. Almost immediately, clattering noises ring out against the roof. When the girls step outside to see what’s happening, they find dozens of dead birds that have rained down around the cabin, almost as if they fell immobilized from the sky. Although Natalie warns the birds may be diseased, her protestations go unheard: Most of the girls have already begun dropping the birds at Lottie’s feet, after Lottie deemed them “blessings.” When a possessed Lottie insisted “You must spill blood” back in season one, she wasn’t kidding. It would feel like a cheat code, if the implications weren’t so scary. If a few drops of blood can bring in more game than Nat has caught in months, what could a few liters do?

Decades down the line, Nat and Lottie’s at-odds relationship doesn’t look all that different, and Nat still refuses to inhabit Lottie’s world as anything more than an outsider. In a pivotal “we’re not talking about what we’re actually talking about” sequence, adult Lottie shows adult Natalie the assembly of beehives she’s cultivated carefully on her compound, urging her towards more active participation in the cult intentional community. Each ecosystem of bees stems from one original hive, Lottie explains in an eerie coo: In the winter, the bees cluster around their queen, vibrating to keep her warm. But the niceties end once a new queen hatches. Her first act, Lottie explains, is to “sting all the other unborn queens to death.”

“It isn’t brutal. It’s natural,” Lottie tells Nat after she sarcastically comments that it makes sense Lottie would worship a queen like that. “It’s simply what has to be done. Otherwise they starve. We all do.” Wilderness law and the ethics that guide the survivors’ lives–Lottie’s especially–continue to look one and the same.
If episode three accomplishes one thing, it’s bringing the cliff the girls are trudging towards—in Taissa’s case, literally—into sharper view. The man who was once their leader is starving and terrified of them; Shauna’s due date is imminent; and Lottie’s blood magic is proving more frighteningly effective than Natalie specifically is ready to admit. “You’re lucky, you know,” Nat tells the bag of Jackie’s remains she brings for “burial” at the crash site. ”I think shit is gonna get a lot worse out here.” She pauses, then continues: “But you’re already dead, so way to make everyone jealous of you one last time.” Even at the end of all things, girls really will be girls.

Stray observations
  • A baby shower? A tearful recited monologue from Steel Magnolias? Coach Ben on death’s door dreaming of his long-lost lover? Welcome to Travis’ least relevant episode yet. (Seriously, we see him for all of thirty seconds.)
  • All this talk of beehives and killer queens—not to mention Lottie’s bloody episode-ending vision—certainly makes it seem like Reddit’s “no queens in the deck” theorists are onto something.
  • The moment where Natalie follows Lottie to the beehives, dramatically swinging her shoulders after refusing to join in any of the compound activities, conjures this clip from America’s Next Top Model so effectively, I laughed out loud. Sometimes, you just can’t take the pressure of it.
  • If Van is going to continue playing detective by following the sleepwalking Taissa, she could really use a pair of, well, Vans. Seriously, nobody wore slip-on shoes on the plane? The ’90s really were a different time.
  • “Dude, I don’t even know what socks I put on today”—Randy Walsh, my choice for Wiskayok poet laureate.
  • As much as I love Coach Ben, I hope Paul found someone else. He deserves to share his toiled-over clam chowder with someone who appreciates the subtleties of cumin (or a lack thereof!).
  • Funniest moment of the episode hands down: when Jeff, distressed at the idea Shauna may be bored in their marriage, tries to take her on a “spontaneous” trip to Colonial Williamsburg, asking his incredulous wife: “I’m taking us out of our comfort zone, baby. You ever churn butter? I haven’t.” As the words leave his mouth, he nearly hits the man who ultimately jacks their car. Oh, Jeff; no one has ever deserved more points for trying.
  • Taissa calling Jessica Roberts…get ready to let that line ring, mama!
  • Grade: B
 

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If Lottie won the contest, completing the season was in doubt for me.

Adult Shauna’s issues were the only interesting thing about the episode for me. I’m hoping the adult Misty shit is going somewhere.

“Three cheers for Lottie” :rolleyes:

The show creators and actors openly talked about Van being cast as an adult, so the fact that the surprise was very widely spoiled before the season made it a poor choice for an episode ender.

I think Lisa’s mom is a misdirection— She was adopted and has to be the child of a Yellowjacket.

I just don’t care about the symbol in the woods and all the mysticism. I’m going to finish the season but if they continue going this heavily in this direction, I’m probably done after that. I was interested in “female Lord of the Flies” and that was a very heavy element in the first season but so far the second season is totally Lost.

My grade: F
 

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Yellowjackets recap: Happy hunger games​

A not-so-friendly competition between Nat and Lottie divides the survivors as the wilderness’ influence deepens on their adult counterparts

By Hattie Lindert, Published April 14, 2023, Comments (47)

If Yellowjackets’ teen timeline refutes one classically-held ism, it has to be “cleanliness is closest to godliness.” As the months in the wilderness drag on, the laundry list of unmentionable acts the survivors are bonded over keeps getting longer; in short, they’ve never been more desperate for a miracle. In this world, clean hands don’t get you closer to devout spirituality and the blessings that may or may not come with it—starvation does.

At the top of the episode, we slowly regain consciousness with both teenaged and adult Taissa (Jasmin Savoy Brown and Tawny Cypress, respectively), entering both scenes as if awakening from a dream and giving the viewer a new angle into her fractured psyche. Usually, we’re asked to discern how and when “the bad one” is maneuvering Tai’s body; this time, we’re thrust into her perspective, coming to groggy and beleaguered only to realize blurry visions of being outside her body weren’t her unconscious imagination; her astral proclivity has gotten the best of her again. As an adult, Tai awakens at the wheel of her car, pulled over on the side of a rural road with an empty gas tank and Jessica Roberts’ files on the Yellowjackets in the passenger seat. As a teen, she wakes up to the sound of an awestruck Van’s voice calling her name, pointing out to her that yet again she led them to a tree engraved with a symbol. Frightened and insistent she doesn’t know anything about it, Tai lays down the law when Van (Liv Hewson) asks her to just tell Lottie (Courtney Eaton)—now fully cemented as the group’s unofficial high priestess—what’s going on: “It’s none of her fucking business.”

Unfortunately for Tai, her aversion to Lottie’s eerie abilities (and her own) places her squarely on one side of a brewing war between the hungry, haggard survivors. On one hand, there’s the camp that believes in Lottie’s blood magic and wants to use it to their benefit: Misty (Samantha Hanratty), Akilah (Nia Sondaya), Travis (Kevin Alves), Van, and—most zealously of them all—Mari (Alexa Barajas). Months in the wilderness spent listening to incessant dripping from the cabin attic that only she seems to be able to hear have hardened Mari’s deadpan feistiness into something more animalistic and self-preserving. When Coach Ben (Steven Kreuger) asks if she would eat him like they ate Jackie when Mari accuses Ben of stealing bear meat on the grounds of believing he’s “so much better” than the rest of them, Mari doesn’t say no (which, at this point pretty much means yes).

In the other camp, there’s the majority of the core four: Shauna, Tai, Nat, and an increasingly weak Coach Ben. As we’ve seen before, Nat’s at odds with Lottie for more than a few reasons, from jealousy surrounding Travis to genuine fear of Lottie’s abilities. The opposing viewpoints bubble over into some real-life ire when Mari opines that Nat’s the reason they still don’t have any food—for months they’ve been eating starling soup from the birds that dropped dead onto the roof, which Mari steadfastly asserts Lottie told them to do. In Mari’s mind, it’s Lottie, not Nat, who is responsible for keeping them alive. Outraged, Nat proposes a contest: both she and Lottie go out for the day and whoever comes back with an edible prize first wins. Misty eagerly steps in to set the rules: leave any game you find right where it is, return to home base for assistance, and be back by sundown. If that latter clause isn’t followed, Misty assures the group will come searching for anyone who needs help. With that, they off, Nat slinging the gun and Lottie armed with just a knife, both of them sporting the straps fashioned out of seatbelts they’ve long since fashioned into jacket straps, an echo of the perceived safety they never really had in the first place. Let Yellowjackets’ own version of the hunger games begin.

As adults, Lottie (Simone Kessell) and Nat (Juliette Lewis) aren’t at war with each other anymore; within themselves, each woman has bigger fish to fry. Nat, who is finding herself more and more down to clown with Lottie’s way of life, goes on an off-commune expedition with Lisa (Nicole Maines)—who she stabbed just a few episodes earlier—and ends up meeting Lisa’s disapproving mother, whose protestations towards Lisa’s way of life leave Nat surprisingly defensive of alternative healing, even forgoing a whiskey shot at the bar while chatting about suicidal ideation later that night. Meanwhile, Lottie is desperately seeking traditional medicine and begs her longtime therapist for a higher dose of her medication to quell her visions. “It keeps happening, and it needs to stop...they need to stop,” Lottie shares. “The last time, it became something different. It can’t happen again.” That “something different” is left unexpanded upon, hanging in the air like the series premiere’s ill-fated pit girl.

When her therapist questions what Lottie believes the visions might mean, Lottie is taken aback: “Nothing, because they’re not real.” So terrified of her own mind she’s rejecting the very visions that guided her moral compass through more than a year of wilderness survival and into a life dedicated to imbuing those gifts in others, Lottie has never seemed more vulnerable. Towards the end of the episode, after a persistent vision of a queen of hearts card with her eyes scratched out sends Lottie spiraling (Reddit detectives, your moment is nigh), she slices her hand to spill blood on a private commune altar, begging to whatever out there might hear her: “Can this just be enough? Please?” Beyond the spiritual connotations of the sequence, the question feels poignantly prescriptive. How much will it take for Lottie to free herself—whether through empathy, therapy, or a whole lot of bloodletting—from what happened to her as a girl?

Speaking of that: The competition for game goes about as well as could be expected. At first, Nat’s discovery of a dead moose frozen in ice at the center of the lake (the same animal Nat hallucinated last time she visited the crash site) suggests she’s clinched a win. But the survivors struggle to pull out the cumbersome corpse with ropes. When they lose their grip, they lose the animal (which Nat had hoped would feed them until spring) to the depths of the lake. Meanwhile, Lottie’s journey takes her to a considerably less earthly place. After encountering a snow-covered altar ostensibly fashioned by dead cabin guy, Lottie wanders into a clearing that reveals his plane, the same one that exploded with Laura Lee (Jane Widdop) inside during her faithful and fatal season one attempt to save the team. When Lottie looks inside, Laura’s bear Leonard sits intact on the seat; her sparkling gold cross necklace is there, too. By the time Lottie’s hallucination leads into an astral-plane mall food court, Laura Lee steps in, telling Lottie if she doesn’t get warm soon she’ll die. Unlike Jackie (Ella Purnell), Lottie has an irrefutable higher power on her side, keeping her alive even in the most hypothermic moments. The questions are, at what cost— and why?

Thankfully, episode four isn’t all failure and frostbite. Consistently proving to be a light and buoyant note in both timelines, Misty continues to experience two kinds of love: a blossoming bestie-ship with fellow crash survivor and musical theater aficionado Crystal (Nuha Jes Izman), and a tiptoeing romance with her eager partner in citizen detective work Walter (Elijah Wood). Episode four finds Walter and Misty fumbling through a scenario worthy of any great rom-com: an impromptu road trip (set to the Evita soundtrack, Misty’s choice) that turns into an even-more-impromptu overnight. On the hunt for the commune where Lottie’s “intentional community” has swept Nat off to, Walter suggests they share a room nearby before Misty hedges. After they retire to their separate suites, a sweet split-screen montage demonstrates just how alike the duo are, each plastic-bagging the TV remote to avoid leaving fingerprints and falling asleep on their side to the soothing sounds of “Sleep Kitty” and “Birds of the Tropics” respectively. For better or worse, Misty truly seems to have found some sort of other half. Walter revealing that he’s a secret multi-millionaire thanks to a negligent scaffolding company, a wayward ton of bricks that landed on his head, and a very successful lawsuit, certainly doesn’t hurt either.

Although they don’t arrive until the end, this episode of Yellowjackets is defined by two major returns, both of which center around Taissa and the still-nebulous workings of her dead-eyed alter ego. As a teen, while searching for another symbol-engraved tree to complete a pattern Van is convinced other Taissa has been spelling out in her sleep, they find none other than Javi (Luciano Leroux) racing through the woods. God only knows how or why he survived out there (and what helped him do so), and the once-shy boy now has a decidedly sullen, silent air about him.

The way Nat shies away from the group as they welcome him back in—alive and intact, just as Lottie predicted—all but puts the nails in the coffin for her and Travis’ increasingly at-odds relationship. Whether or not it will come to light that she forged the bloody, torn trousers of Javi’s she “found” during a hunt, Nat’s decisions—as benevolent as they are self-interested—seem primed to bite her in the ass. Despite her sharp tongue and airs of orneriness, Nat has always displayed a sense of team spirit so profoundly ingrained she wishes a frostbitten Lottie “good game” after both of them nearly die on the hunt for food.

As an adult, however, the return is one Taissa makes on her own, although not consciously at first. After ditching her car and hitching a ride with a friendly trucker who voted for her in the election, Taissa arrives at a dusty small-town video store sporting a rainbow flag out front. When Tai walks in the door, there she is at the counter, as nonchalant as ever, scars faded into the lines of age on her face: Van (Lauren Ambrose). Since news of Ambrose’s casting confirmed Van as a survivor back in August 2022, a reunion for her and Tai has been inevitable—that Tai herself sought out the one person who seemed willing and able to piece together the fragments of her psyche makes the moment all the more affecting. Van loved Tai despite and because of the things she keeps closest to her chest, so close they can barely even exist on the same plane. It’s no wonder, then, that teetering over an abyss, Tai and her subconscious finally agreed on something: getting in that car and finding Van.

Stray observations​

  • Van’s face has healed incredibly well. The girls don’t seem to be patting themselves on the back enough for this!
  • Hello, a brand new Alanis Morrissette cover of the series’ theme song! Wouldn’t it be fabulous if they found different artists from the era to put their own spin on the credits?
  • The only thing better than a sweet new little mouse friend for Akilah is her finally getting even the slightest character arc of her own.
  • Although this was a decidedly Shauna-light episode, adult Shauna struggling to be honest with Callie about her past (and the circumstances of Adam’s death) has to be a series-best moment between the two. Loving your mother and learning to see her as a complex, imperfect person is a real knifes edge, and the more Callie takes on secrets of her own, the more she seems both opposed to her mom’s choices and uncomfortably understanding of them. All I know is after this episode, I needed to call my mom.
  • The way the girls use seat belts from the plane to hold together their makeshift jackets is such an incisive costuming choice. It speaks to the fact that the girls are still in many ways trapped in that moment of trauma when the plane went down, the exact point that split their lives into two unique timelines, but are also reforming the last environment where they felt some sense of safety–real or perceived–into something that can suit them. They’re building their own safety nets; they have no choice.
  • Grade: B+
 

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Watched these this afternoon.

Van and Taissa got deeper into Taissa sleepwalking and the symbols with how they are connected. It’s becoming clearer to them that there is something supernatural going on.

Javi, who supposedly was declared dead made a surprise return. The question is how did he survive all this time.

Shauna comes clean with her daughter about the murder. Now all 3 of them are in the loop. Callie found out her crush is a cop investigating the murder. So things will get interesting going forward.

Charlotte’s visions are returning.

Episode 4 ended with a big reveal in modern day with confirmation of another survivor. And it’s Van which is a big surprise.

Crystal met her end by Crazy Misty, no surprise there.

Natalie came out from going into a trance with Lottie revealing some details with Travis along with an alternate history of the crash. A real quick Easter Egg is shown, if you blinked, you missed it.

Shauna, back in the 90s goes into labor. Getting close to what happened to her first kid.

Gonna let a few episodes stack up before watching.
 

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Episode 5 thoughts:
  • Not sure smelling the semen was realistic.
  • I don’t think this is heading there but strawberry of all flavors after the strawberry lube discussion seems notable.
  • I thought Callie was going to tell the cop everything, interested in where that is heading.
  • We really really need to defund the police if this show’s depiction of a police investigation is even half-realistic.
  • “I think we’re asking the wrong questions about the moon landing”-- Such a great line.
  • All commentary I have seen on Walter/Misty speculates that Crystal's fate was foreshadowing and Misty will kill Walter either accidentally or intentionally. I don't rule that out but I don't think he'll be an innocent victim if that is the case-- I suspect Mr. Citizen Detective has not been upfront about his intent. He's targeting Misty because she's a Yellowjacket or, more likely, investigating Adam's death and seeking to nail her in connection to that.
  • My grade: C+
 

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Shit man....I'm on the new season...shit maybe 3 or 4 episodes in.....I've come to grips this shit is just not moving at all. Boring as hell.

I liked the first season and the second season is not living up to it IMO. I gave episode 4 an F so we're on the same page as far as where you are! Did you like the first season and come back to it? Or did you watch it all in one block and this is how you feel about it all?
 
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