Zelensky address Ukraine parliament with his Victory plan….Washington heard it last week and wasn’t impressed

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i thought he meant you.


do you want ukraine to win or do you want them to lose?

Lmao if he meant me silly on him, if Guardian sided and is connected to the RePiglets that’s on them. I would’ve never knew that if you didn’t tell me.

Do I want Ukraine to win or lose?
Great fucking question,

that’s a tough question

I’m say it like this Zelensky need to get whatever coming to him. Him and his crew of fuckups.

The Ukrainians needs this to be over with. They need to get back to Ukraine life. The citizens who wants to go back can go back.


Yes I want the Ukrainians to win so this can be over.
 
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During his upcoming trip to the United States at the end of September, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will seek an official invitation to NATO from American leader Joe Biden, as well as commitments to continuously supply modern weapons to Kyiv, Bloomberg reports, citing sources.

This is part of the Ukrainian leader’s “victory plan,” which he has spoken about many times. It also provides for a clear path for Ukraine to membership in the European Union and other agreements on the economy and security.
 

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“Trump does not plan to meet with Zelensky who is in the United States on a visit to participate in events within the UN General Assembly, the AP agency reports.”
 

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Russia is negotiating with Yemen's Houthis via Iran on the transfer of long-range anti-ship missiles P-800 "Onyx" to them, Reuters reports, citing sources.

No decision has been made on the transfer yet, and new meetings are planned in Tehran in the coming weeks.

Houthis attack Western commercial and military ships in the Red Sea.

Let us recall that in June Putin stated that if Western countries allow Ukraine to strike at the Russian Federation, Russia could supply its long-range weapons to the forces that would strike at those Western countries that gave such permission.
 

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Lmao if he meant me silly on him, if Guardian sided and is connected to the RePiglets that’s on them. I would’ve never knew that if you didn’t tell me.

Do I want Ukraine to win or lose?
Great fucking question,

that’s a tough question

I’m say it like this Zelensky need to get whatever coming to him. Him and his crew of fuckups.

The Ukrainians needs this to be over with. They need to get back to Ukraine life. The citizens who wants to go back can go back.


Yes I want the Ukrainians to win so this came be over.
What does this winning mean to you? Maybe it’s the "so this can be over” in your statement/answer that make me ask the question.

Who do you believe is winning at this moment (Sept. 2024)?

Last, why do you want it to be over? Very curious about the last question because history has shown when one conflict ends another is just around the corner.
 

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What does this winning mean to you? Maybe it’s the "so this can be over” in your statement/answer that make me ask the question.

Who do you believe is winning at this moment (Sept. 2024)?

Last, why do you want it to be over? Very curious about the last question because history has shown when one conflict ends another is just around the corner.


WhAt does winning means to me? Winning when a situation is over one side is said to be the winner by on lookers. The win side finish first, have more point, beat the other side up etc…. Those type of things mean winning to me.


Who’s winning? Russia is clearly winning, they just captured a settlement they tried to get 4 times before.

In the Kursk region where Ukraine went into Russian territory with had great success, ain’t looking to good. Russia is working to cut those soldiers off from Ukraine.


Why I want this to be over? I think this conflict is extremely close to springboarding the next world world. That idea is why I’d like it to be over.
I’m skeptical about this ending tho. If the statement that American companies had purchased Ukrainian land is true, this ain’t ending.
 

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Ukrainian men dragged out of nightclubs by army recruiters​

James Kilner
Sun, October 13, 2024 at 10:00 AM PDT·2 min read
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A mobilisation raid before a rock concert in Kyiv

A mobilisation raid before a rock concert in Kyiv - X

Ukrainian military recruiters launched targeted raids at restaurants, shopping centres and a rock concert over the weekend, detaining men and press-ganging them into the army.
“Get away from me!” one concertgoer shouted at three policemen as they pulled him towards a recruiting desk that had been set up on Friday outside the Palace of Sports in Kyiv, where Okean Elzy, a Ukrainian rock band, had been playing.
The man’s face contorted in fear as he strained against the policemen, video footage showed. Several women filmed the policemen on their smartphones, shouting: “Shame! Shame on you!”
Policemen also waited to intercept men at Goodwine, a nearby shopping centre, and Avalon, a popular restaurant, according to reports.
Eyewitnesses said the police checked all the men’s documents. Those who refused to show documents exempting them from military service, or whose documents were considered faulty, were dragged away.



Police checked the documents of young men en masse after a recent tightening of conscription laws in Ukraine - X
Under Ukraine’s martial laws, all men between the ages of 25 and 60 are eligible for the army. Men between 18 and 60 are also banned from leaving the country.

Facing a severe shortage of soldiers, Ukraine reduced the mobilisation age to 25 from 27 and scrapped an “only partially eligible” loophole in April. Punishment was also stiffened for men who did not arrive at their summons. Ukraine has also followed Russia by mobilising its prison population.

Western intelligence analysts estimate Russian casualties to stand at more than 650,000 soldiers. The data for Ukraine’s war casualties have not been released, but its casualties are estimated to be a third or a quarter of Russia’s.

Fatigue and fear of being killed on frontlines have sapped Ukrainians’ enthusiasm for signing up to fight in a war that has now lasted for more than two and a half years.

Oleksandr Danylyuk, an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London, said: “Mobilisation has begun to be perceived as a one-way ticket, where the only way to end service is to die or become disabled.”

Some men are so desperate to escape mobilisation that they are risking their lives to break out of Ukraine.

In April, the country’s Border Guard Service said at least 30 men had died trying to flee the country since the start of the war, often drowning while trying to swim across fast-flowing rivers or freezing to death on mountain passes.

Russian forces have been making slow but steady progress along the frontlines in Ukraine, but on Saturday evening Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, said hisforces had secured the frontline in Russia’s Kursk region, which Ukraine invaded in August.

Prosecutors also said that they were investigating the alleged killing of nine Ukrainian soldiers captured by Russian forces in Kursk. They were allegedly stripped naked before being shot.

 

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Victory plan :roflmao3:
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:


Dude kinda low key blackmailing them


Give us this or we’ll bow down to Russia
Even tho they’re doing it with the help….

Apparently, Dude lost half of his soldiers that went to the Kursk region…
What he have left in Kursk, likely to get cut off from Ukraine in the next month or so. Over the last two days, a shitload of soldiers been fighting to not get encircled…
Come Sunday the encirclement might be completely
 

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Zelensky presents 'victory plan' to Ukrainian parliament​

16 October 2024
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky

Ukrainian Presidential Office
Volodymyr Zelensky stressed that "Russia must lose the war against Ukraine"
  • James Waterhouse
  • BBC Ukraine correspondent, Kyiv
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has presented MPs with a long-awaited "victory plan" that aims to strengthen his country's position enough to end the war with Russia.
Zelensky told parliament in Kyiv the plan could finish the war - which began with Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 - next year.
Key elements include a formal invitation to join Nato, the lifting by allies of bans on long-range strikes with Western-supplied weapons deep into Russia, a refusal to trade Ukraine’s territories and sovereignty, and the continuation of the incursion into Russia's western Kursk region.
The Kremlin dismissed the plan with a spokesman saying Kyiv needed to "sober up".
Addressing MPs on Wednesday, Zelensky also criticised China, Iran and North Korea for their backing of Russia, and described them as a "coalition of criminals".
He also said that Russian President Vladimir Putin had "gone mad", describing him as bent on waging wars.
Zelenksky said he would present the victory plan at an EU summit on Thursday.
"We are at war with Russia on the battlefield, in international relations, in the economy, in the information sphere, and in people's hearts," he told parliament.
The plan outlined by Zelensky consists of five key points:
  • Inviting Ukraine to join the Nato military alliance
  • The strengthening of Ukrainian defence against Russian forces, including getting permission from allies to use their long-range weapons on Russian territory, and the continuation of Ukraine's military operations on Russian territory to avoid creation of the "buffer zones" in Ukraine
  • Containment of Russia via a non-nuclear strategic deterrent package deployed on Ukrainian soil
  • Joint protection by the US and the EU of Ukraine's critical natural resources and joint use of their economic potential
  • For the post-war period only: replacing some US troops stationed across Europe with Ukrainian soldiers
Three "addendums" remain secret and will only be shared with Ukraine's partners, Zelensky said.
In the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, residents who spoke to the BBC were mostly supportive of the plan.
"We should not give up territory," Anatoly said, adding that he hoped Ukraine would still have a chance to join Nato and would also get more support from its allies.
Nadia said everything depended on what security guarantees Ukraine would be able to get.
Another woman, Maria, stressed that "people want to end the war as soon as possible".
Zelensky's plan was presented to US President Joe Biden, as well as presidential candidates Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, back in September.
Key allies such as Britain, France, Italy and Germany have also reportedly been shown the plan.
Ukrainian Maria seen on the street in Kyiv

Ukrainian resident Maria said "people want to end the war as soon as possible"
On Wednesday evening, Zelensky spoke to Biden to brief him about his "victory plan".
He also thanked America for a new $425m (£327m) defence assistance package for Ukraine, which included air defence systems and long-range weapons.
The White House said the package comprised "a range of additional capabilities", including air defence and artillery systems, as well as ammunition and hundreds of armoured vehicles.
It said of Zelensky's "victory plan" that "the two leaders tasked their teams to engage in further consultations on next steps".
Last month, US officials were quoted by the Wall Street Journal as saying that the Biden administration was concerned that the plan lacked a comprehensive strategy, and was little more than a repackaged request for more weapons and the lifting of restrictions on the use of long-range missiles.
Analysts both in Ukraine and the West have also suggested that the White House is keen to show that it wants to avoid further escalation with Russia in the run-up to the US presidential election.
But Oleksandr Merezhko, a member of Zelensky's Servant of the People party, reiterated his leader's playing down of concerns about what a Trump win would mean for the war.
He told BBC Newshour that "no matter who becomes the next American president, he or she will have to follow American interests and it is in the best American interest to support Ukraine".
Zelensky's conditions for peace are increasingly at odds with the situation which surrounds him.
In front of MPs, he acknowledged the growing fatigue in his country. His own tiredness was etched across his face as he said that "victory has become for some an uncomfortable word and it’s not easy to achieve".
National morale has gradually been crumbling under the weight of a mounting death toll, a controversial mobilisation law and never-ending Russian assaults on Ukrainian territory.
It’s increasingly thought any peace deal would have to involve Ukraine conceding territory in exchange for security guarantees.
However, there was no hint of a compromise to bring the end of the war closer. Instead, Zelensky doubled down on wanting to force Russia to negotiate and to not cede Ukraine’s territory, through the strengthening of his own military.
Merezhko stressed that Zelensky's speech did not hint at any territorial concessions, which he described as "out of the question".
He also claimed his extensive plan could be implemented with the agreement of his allies, and not Russia.
In public, Zelensky evidently still sees this war as existential, and warned of Russian President Vladimir Putin continuing to strengthen his position.
He also seemed to frame his vision as an investment opportunity for Western allies in terms of natural resources and economic potential.
The Ukrainian president wants his exhausted troops to keep fighting.
But with his army so reliant on Western aid, his "victory plan" will need the approval of the next US president.
Reacting to Zelensky's plan, Nato's new Secretary General Mark Rutte described it as a "strong signal" from Kyiv.
"That doesn't mean that I here can say I support the whole plan - that would be a bit difficult because there are many issues that we have to understand better."
Mr Rutte added: "I am absolutely confident that in the future, Ukraine will join us [Nato]."
Immediately after Zelensky finished speaking, the Kremlin rubbished his "ephemeral peace plan," saying Kyiv needed to "sober up".
The only way the war would end was Ukraine to "realise the futility of the policy it is pursuing," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.
 

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dude really said replace American soldiers in Europe with Ukrainians soldiers


:lol:

 

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Zelensky presents 'victory plan' to Ukrainian parliament​

16 October 2024
  • Joint protection by the US and the EU of Ukraine's critical natural resources and joint use of their economic potential

..who'da thunk it?
 

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⚡ The US has rejected Zelensky's so-called victory plan, but is not telling him about it openly, The Economist reports.

The publication notes the difficult situation of Ukraine. Kyiv is losing both the territories held by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Donbass and financial support from Western countries.
 

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Over 600,000 Ukraine men have died between the ages of 18 - 35 yrs old. They started snatching up men 40 - 50 and sending them to the front line
talk about population control... and women THINK they equal with men, I bet not one woman in that country talking

that psycho feminsit delusional dumbshit.. we don't need me, we independent blah blah blah....

yea war is how the rich control the global masses...

we need to flip the script and send the rich to war, have them fighting each other.....
 

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⚡ The US has rejected Zelensky's so-called victory plan, but is not telling him about it openly, The Economist reports.

The publication notes the difficult situation of Ukraine. Kyiv is losing both the territories held by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Donbass and financial support from Western countries.
This is what "winning" looks like huh...
 

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This is what "winning" looks like huh...


Dawg ukRaine ain’t nowhere close to winning…. Russia been masterful against these cats. If NATO is actually leading this operation, this is pathetic. The advancements been clinical.

There’s a running joke in the YouTube comments. It’s something like the Russian are retreating forward while the Ukraine are advancing backwards.
 
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