Yvette Carnell vs Boyce Watkins. Yvette goes in on Boyce
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Yvette offers nothing. Just talk. No solutions. No strategy, nothing
The only thing that I kinda agree with her is that descendants of slaves are different than African immigrants
A lot of the people attacking Boyce were raised on his platform. Boyce did pay her where some of these places pay nothing. She makes some points but she fails to understand that whites never have and never will give black folk squat without bloodshed. Is she ready for that?
There's two sides to every story so I'll wait for Boyce to respond. But a lot of these beefs with his surrogates started around the time when he decided to hook up with Dame, a huge mistake IMHO.
There's two sides to every story so I'll wait for Boyce to respond. But a lot of these beefs with his surrogates started around the time when he decided to hook up with Dame, a huge mistake IMHO.
I fuck With Yvette more than Boyce cause Boyce always comes off as that dude who always trying to sell you something.
Neither Watkins or Carnell, are wrong in their way of thinking , where Boyce says be cut off and build your own in community and Yvette feeling the government needs to step in cause they really do owe us.
I just wish our "leaders/ activists" can get along. And stop dividing us more, or just keep the beef under wraps and not in public.
Neither Watkins or Carnell, are wrong in their way of thinking , where Boyce says be cut off and build your own in community and Yvette feeling the government needs to step in cause they really do owe us.
I just wish our "leaders/ activists" can get along. And stop dividing us more, or just keep the beef under wraps and not in public.
Boyce damaged his brand letting this crazy chick talk loco on his platform. Now he payin the price. It doesnt pay to be a SUPER SIMP. Smarten up Boyce.
I watched that whole video and 95% of what she said rang legit.
Yeah Boyce does come off like you said. Matter fact, the way he breaks shit down, it comes down to the only real solution being found in signing up for a paid subscription to his Black Wealth Boot Camp. At this point, he rejects activism of any sort as he shits on Black Lives Matter with lies made up by right wing whites. When I think of great Black leaders of the past, I think of people like Fred Hampton, Dr. King, Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X. These people spoke truth to power and...
...They actually got their hands dirty. They put themselves at risk. They didn't charge for what they did. There were tangible results to their actions that exist TODAY. The Panthers pioneered free breakfast programs for school kids and free clinics in the hood. Dr. King's actions led to desegregation in the South and the Voting Rights Act. Malcolm founded the Organization for Afro-American Unity. He was one of the early Pan-Africanists. Garvey may have been THE first prominent Pan-Africanist. He advanced the ideas of establishing our own sovereign Nation on the Continent, building and controlling our own infrastructure Each of these men paid the ultimate sacrifice of losing their lives or their freedom in working for the liberation of our people. None of them sought personal profit.
Boyce is one third of the triumvirate of prominent allegedly conscious Black people who urged Black folks not to vote in the 2016 Presidential election - the other two individuals being Umar Johnson and Tariq Nasheed. Purportedly, the idea was that neither Hillary nor Trump represented our interests. While true, it is irresponsible to urge Black folks not to vote. Not if you haven't worked to prepare the road to provide a viable alternative. In other words, four years ago, did any of them push for abolishment of the electoral college? Limits to campaign funding? The restoration of the freedoms guaranteed under the Voting Rights Act? The ending of Voter ID cards, racial redistricting and crosschecking? Did they organize individuals to monitor and police Republican vote fraud? Did they spend those four years grooming a candidate who represents our interests and then did they galvanize Black folks to support that candidate?
The answer to all of the above is NO. Now we are stuck with a budding Adolph Hitler - not because of Boyce, Tariq and Umar - but no thanks to them. I take none of them seriously at this point.
Yea when he brung that Zaza Ali chick on his platform I knew it would be trouble. We wouldn't even know who she is if boyce didn't let Yvette on his platform.
This chick grates on my nerves with her incessant whining. She's not always wrong, but you gotta have some integrity about yourself & your people. Both her & Boyce are in the business of selling Black folk a dream, but at least Boyce provides some inspiration & pride with his pitch. Personally, I agree with Boyce's stance on both voting & promoting black wealth.
I don't believe in not voting, but I do believe in strategic voting. That means withholding your vote if you deem it necessary. It may be a battle of wills, but eventually either they will come to you with issues you care about or you will seek a candidate that does.
Similarly to the path of Jewish people in America, I agree that wealth accumulation is key factor in swaying favorable legislation and promoting industry in our community. They're not all united or orthodox, but they are very good at thinking of their friends first when there's a chance to make money, promoting within, & uniting when they have to.
I don't believe in not voting, but I do believe in strategic voting. That means withholding your vote if you deem it necessary. It may be a battle of wills, but eventually either they will come to you with issues you care about or you will seek a candidate that does.
Similarly to the path of Jewish people in America, I agree that wealth accumulation is key factor in swaying favorable legislation and promoting industry in our community. They're not all united or orthodox, but they are very good at thinking of their friends first when there's a chance to make money, promoting within, & uniting when they have to.
That's not strategic. It's lazy. It's that armchair shit. Sitting back and waiting for someone to notice us. As I said before, what Boyce and company are promoting is bullshit considering they let 4 years go by and did NOTHING to prepare for 2016. That includes seeking out and running a candidate who is responsive and dedicated to our concerns - or for that matter getting together with the latinos (who comprise a huge base of voters) to get a candidate who is dedicated to both groups concerns - relative to who our choices have been thus far.
I'm not interested in Boyce's pitch to get pride. As long as he's got something to sell and posits his product as the path to our liberation, I ain't trying to hear him, at this point.
Jason Black tells you exactly how to empower yourself.
What's lazy is voting for the same people if you don't feel like your getting what you want out of the deal. Active refraining is different from passive absenteeism. I'm not saying you have to wait for anything. You can vote for who you want to anytime (including 3rd parties), or not. But I don't agree that you have give it to anyone everytime, including the dems. Sometimes it takes drastic action to effect change. You might need to take take a step backward to move forward. What if black people as a whole randomly alternated voting for dems, repubs, 3rd party, or no one every year until we had a candidate that spoke to our interests & broke the pattern? Maybe candidates from both sides of the isle would compete to act as if they gave a fuck about our interests, instead of lip service from just one.
If there has been zero preparation over the span of four years for the upcoming election, to suggest to "actively" refrain is some lazy eleventh hour bullshit. Telling Black folks to do that is basically admitting you didn't do shit for those years before there was a Presidential election. I'm glad that for the most part, none of us listened to that ignorance from Boyce, Tariq and Umar. If I am not mistaken, Yvette advocated the same thing, but judging from the video seems to have changed her stance somewhat.
Boyce and company needed to have educated themselves and gotten themselves involved in the process. That's what they should be doing RIGHT NOW if they are to be taken seriously. Start by with dealing with election fraud. That is what got Trump in office - the illegal discarding of millions of Black and Latino votes - through mishandling of ballots, crosschecking and caging. It was coordinated and it was paid for. It cost Hillary Clinton the election. First and foremost, we need to be dealing with exposing THAT and not letting it happen again.
Secondly, they need to be constantly involved in pushing for the electoral college to be dismantled and the popular vote be what decides our Presidents.
Thirdly, we select a candidate and run them. Now. Begin looking now. Had Boyce and his contemporaries been involved in doing that, then it would not have come down to the only choices being either Hillary or Donald.
Since Boyce and company didn't do ANY of those things or anything else I previously mentioned, they need to shut the fuck up telling people not to vote. Especially Tariq, who recently called people coons and sellouts for questioning him about that.
Furthermore, let's not act like Donald Trump was merely the lesser of two evils. He WAS THE EVIL ITSELF. We saw during the election that he had the potential to be an authoritarian dictator. We saw the way the white supremacist groups 100% galvanized behind him. We saw him say that in the old days they would have simply lynched Black protestors. We saw him talking about deporting muslims. We saw him calling Mexicans murderers and rapists. Hillary might have been an asshole, but she had governing experience. She would not have tried to roll back any positive things President Obama established. She would not have appointed a known white supremacist as her personal advisor and another as Attorney General. She was someone who could at least be talked to. 45 cannot be talked to nor trusted in any way, form or fashion.
Outside of making a profit, I have not seen Boyce do anything significant for Black folks. I have not seen Boyce put himself on the frontlines for justice - EVER. But I've seen him sit on the sidelines and criticize those who did - simultaneously throwing out right wing, white supremacist invented lies at the protesters like a damn paid coon. He seems to be a nice guy. He's said some things I liked. I don't dislike him as a person. But I'm not blind either.
I'm willing to agree to disagree on this voting matter. I actually like your enthusiasm for actively finding a candidate to promote if dissatisfied. I'm just not as willing to disparage Boyce's thoughts on the matter because you don't like the messenger. Mainly because I agree with a lot of Boyce's messages. He doesn't have to be a frontline activist for me to entertain the merits of his opinion on a subject. I can see he's not perfect (at times he's mad petty), but black leaders never are. That does't mean they are wrong. He's created a lane and a platform based upon something he's proven he does know very well (finance stuff) and, as a capable thinker, he's chosen to expand in to other topics. As long as he can back up his argument with reasoned thought & minimal coercion, I'm happy to listen.
As far as Hillary goes, I think we were due for black man president backlash regardless. If she won, it would have been delayed 4-8 years. Crazy/racist presidents & white hysteria have followed every major black achievement in this country (Johnson after civil war, Nixon after civil right, & now Trump after black presidency). Maybe I'm too ambivalent about affecting change politically, but I half hope to continue Trump's crazyness so these people can see how their own racism has put them on the edge of destroying all the good they helped to create. But hey, that's just me. Reasonable people can disagree.
Yvette was quick to point out what Trump was doing when he was talking pics with the HBCU presidents but got silent when Trump talked about taking away funding for buildings on HBCU campuses. I really didn't like that. Plus she has no social media and her facebook age is only open to her friends. Those were red flags to me. I still listen tho because she does bring something to the table.
More division. This will surely help us and solve our problems.
I saw this a mile away.Boyce youtube channel was tolerable,until he start letting this crazy woman on there and even then I agree some of the stuff she was saying,but over time she got crazier and crazier.I had to stop going to the channel.
I definitely stop fucking with her,after she attacked Cress Welsing after it was announced she died.
If,you're going to integrate people to your channel at least let them know what the deal is.Don't let them bully you on your own channel.
I used to be a more avid follower of Boyce than I am now. He was more balanced before. It seems like over the couple of years that he's taken up with Tariq Nasheed, he's taken on some of Tariq's bad habits. By that, I mean his bashing of BLM, Roland Martin, Black feminism as a whole and this non-voting b.s. I also don't like how he acts like financial literacy is THE key to our liberation. I could hear his viewpoints with more of an open ear, if he wasn't openly hating on the footsoldiers. BLM's leaders don't spend time publicly bashing people who have other pathways to Black people's liberation.
Boyce is a PhD and former university professor. I expect him to approach things from a scholarly, fact based standpoint. As one who is a disseminator of information who is educated and has a huge audience, he needs to always be able to show receipts for his claims. His murky repetitions of the lie that George Soros is financing Black Lives Matter is divisive and gossipy. A sister on his own YouTube channel completely debunked that claim in July of last year, but Boyce seems not to have gotten the memo!
As well, like Tariq, Boyce attacks Black feminism without knowing its history or its definition and without interviewing any leading academic voices of the movement in order to gain education and provide balance. If he did that, he would know that there are those Black feminists who hate men and are lesbian and those who are straight, love men and are all about family. They are varied in how they manifest their Black feminism.
Thanks for the dialogue. I appreciate it.
What did she say about Dr. Welsing?
Saying she was a homophobic and went to the "she never did anything for black people " card.
If,she really had a problem with Cress Welsing,she could of said all that before she died.
I don't respect anyone,who waits to open their open about someone,if you're quiet about someone before they died you should be quiet after they're dead.
not dame's fault. people were saying for the longest why he had other people on his channel talking shit. he didnt want to listen, he made his bed.
Sadly, this is not totally unexpected.
This is just further proof that; in general, "Black YouTube" is a fucking joke.
It's full of greedy, color struck, pseudo intellectual, "wanna be" celebrities who are self absorbed gender war advocates and who are all basically full of shit.
This is just further proof that; in general, "Black YouTube" is a fucking joke.
It's full of greedy, color struck, pseudo intellectual, "wanna be" celebrities who are self absorbed gender war advocates and who are all basically full of shit.
I stopped fucking with Boyce's channel a while ago. It was a combination of him starting to have random people put their solo videos on his channel and him making videos about random shit that didn't have anything to do with his overall message and often seeming moist/catty for jumping into the Tariq/Roland Martin situation. I still fuck with him, just not his channel. Moreover, I've only heard this Yvette chick speak for a few minutes while doing vids with Boyce and I have zero interest in anything she has to say.
Isn't that what primaries are for? You vote for the best candidate within your party or (if voting locally) benefits your interests at the time?
No. Because in this case it got us Trump and we can only head downhill from there. Sometimes keeping your enemies away from power is the best that can be done at that time.
I like some things thisnlady says and I definitely noticed she flew the coop a while back but her going directly at Boyce (who I also don't like) is corny. Funniest part is she comes at him for not paying her, and says that basically internet channels don't pay- but then she left him- she started her own internet channel that she wants us to pay her for.
Damn shame.
She has SOME minute points but overall she's blowing smoke like the rest of em.
Damn shame.
She has SOME minute points but overall she's blowing smoke like the rest of em.
I really can't get into her everything just comes off as constant bitching.
I like some things she says too and don't like other things she says - the same way I feel about the rest of these YouTube speakers. But to address what you are saying:
IF what Yvette says is true about Boyce throwing subliminals at her over the course of several videos, then I don't find it to be a problem for her to respond to him in a video directly - addressing what he said about her. I do wish she would have given the titles of the videos where she alleged Boyce called her out.
Secondly, What is an internet channel? Did you mean a YouTube channel? Or where you referring to her website? I didn't hear her saying anything about YouTube channels paying or not paying. Yvette spoke on her having done unpaid work for Boyce for years. She alleges that it was communicated to her that she would be compensated for that work. According to her, Boyce did not break bread with her in the way he promised.
As Boyce goes, he charges quite a bit of money for his Black Wealth Boot Camp and materials associated with it. That's his money-making business - his career.
That is not comparable to Yvette urging people to sign up for her website's 2 dollar a month weekly newsletter.
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