NBA Shooting Guard Mt. Rushmore- 2024 edition

[Costanza]

This thread is the second in a 2024 series revisiting Mt Rushmore selection, following the 2024 Point Guard Mt Rushmore. A position Mt Rushmore has been assessed every five years on BGOL beginning in 2014. See also: 2024 Centers Mt Rushmore.

The 2019 BGOL Shooting Guard Mt Rushmore was Jordan, Kobe, Wade and Iverson.

Five years before that, the 2014 BGOL Shooting Guard Mt Rushmore was Jordan, Kobe, West and Iverson.

For 2024 Sam Jones and Bill Sharman, who received a combined 0.6% of all votes cast last time, will be dropped from consideration. In their places we will have Manu Ginóbili and Jimmy Butler, slightly edging out Demar Derozen.

Disagree with those options? That's why other is a choice. Post who your other is if you vote that way.​

2019 NBA Shooting Guard Mt. Rushmore​

• Michael Jordan​

  Votes: 75- 100.0%

• Kobe Bryant​

  Votes: 70- 93.3%

• Dwyane Wade​

  Votes: 36- 48.0%

• Allen Iverson​

  Votes: 32- 42.7%

• Jerry West​

  Votes: 29- 38.7%

• Reggie Miller​

  Votes: 17- 22.7%

• Clyde Drexler​

  Votes: 11- 14.7%

• George Gervin​

  Votes: 6- 8.0%

• Klay Thompson​

  Votes: 5- 6.7%

• Joe Dumars​

  Votes: 4- 5.3%

• Ray Allen​

  Votes: 4- 5.3%

• James Harden​

  Votes: 4- 5.3%

• Sam Jones​

  Votes: 2- 2.7%

• Bill Sharman​

  Votes: 0- 0.0%

• Other​

  Votes: 2- 2.7%

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• Total voters 75

2014 results (out of 91 votes) for five year context:

1. Michael Jordan
   88 vote(s)
   96.7%
2. Kobe Bryant
   84 vote(s)
   92.3%
3. Jerry West
   54 vote(s)
   59.3%
4. Allen Iverson
   51 vote(s)
   56.0%

With three on the very distant periphery:

1. Reggie Miller
   20 vote(s)
   22.0%
2. Dwyane Wade
   17 vote(s)
   18.7%
3. Clyde Drexler
   15 vote(s)
   16.5%

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[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Allen Iverson was not a shooter.

 

[Costanza]

• James Harden​

  Votes: 4- 5.3%

James Harden at 5% is the worst thing about the 2019 results. He should be in the conversation.

@KingTaharqa made a very good Harden > Wade argument recently:

Harden has had a much better career than D. Wade. Numbers don't lie.

Wade regular season averages (1054 games):
22.0 points
5.4 assists
4.7 rebounds
1.5 steals
0.8 blocks
48.0 FG%
29.3 3PT%
23.5 PER
.554 TS%
120.7 WS (73.3 OWS, 47.4 DWS)
5.0 BPM (4.2 OBPM, 0.8 DBPM)
62.8 VORP

Harden regular season averages (1055 games):
24.3 points
7.1 assists
5.6 rebounds
1.5 steals
0.6 blocks
44.2 FG%
36.5 3PT%
24.1 PER
.611 TS%
165.2 WS (123.0 OWS, 42.2 DWS)
6.6 BPM (5.7 OBPM, 0.9 DBPM)
79.4 VORP

Wade cumulative regular season numbers (1054 games):
23,165 points
5,701 assists
4,933 rebounds
1,620 steals
885 blocks
130 double doubles
5 triple doubles

Harden cumulative regular season numbers (1055 games):
25,661 points
7,471 assists
5,927 rebounds
1,580 steals
594 blocks
344 double doubles
75 triple doubles

Wade playoff averages (177 games):
22.3 points
4.9 assists
5.2 rebounds
1.5 steals
1.0 blocks
47.4 FG%
33.8 3PT%
22.4 PER
.549 TS%
21.6 WS (12.3 OWS, 9.3 DWS)
5.3 BPM (4.2 OBPM, 1.0 DBPM)
12.3 VORP
23 double doubles
0 triple doubles

Harden playoff averages (160 games):
22.7 points
6.3 assists
5.5 rebounds
1.7 steals
0.5 blocks
42.4 FG%
33.8 3PT%
22.0 PER
.585 TS%
20.6 WS (14.5 OWS, 6.1 DWS)
6.2 BPM (4.9 OBPM, 1.4 DBPM)
11.9 VORP
35 double doubles
4 triple doubles

Wade career accolades:
2004 all rookie 1st team
13x NBA all star
2x all NBA 1st team
3x all NBA 2nd team
3x all NBA 3rd team
3x all defensive 2nd team
2006 NBA Champion
2006 NBA Finals MVP
NBA scoring champion (2009)
19x Player of the Week
6x Player of the Month
2x Top 5 in MVP voting (2009, 2010)
Gold medal (2008)
Bronze medal (2004)
Top 75 NBA Hall of Fame
$199,499,205 career NBA salary

Harden career accolades:
2010 all rookie 2nd team
10x NBA all star
6x all NBA 1st team
all NBA 3rd team (2013)
3x NBA scoring champion (2017-2020)
2x NBA assists champion (2017, 2023)
26x Player of the Week
11x Player of the Month
2012 NBA Sixth Man of the Year
2018 NBA MVP
6x Top 5 in NBA MVP voting ('14, '15, '17, '18, '19, '20)
Gold medal (2012)
Top 75 NBA Hall of Fame
$305,039,833 career NBA salary


Harden is a better scorer, playmaker, rebounder. The gap in their offense is wider than the gap in their defense. D Wade was never MVP of the NBA he had a 2 year window of 1st team all NBA play, but Hardens run has lasted longer and he did more in the playoffs despite less team success. Trust me, this won't be difficult for fans in the future to decide, you're being a homer for Wade. He barely won 1 playoff series without Bron or Shaq as his teammate. Harden taking teams to the 2nd round and WCF for over half a decade was more impressive.

James Harden at 34:
17.7 points
8.3 assists
5.1 rebounds
1.1 steals
0.9 blocks
44.7 FG%
40.8 3PT%
19.4 PER
.683 TS%
7.4 WS
3.5 VORP
16 double doubles
1 triple double

Clippers are 37-19 with Harden as their starting point guard. Harden wasn't even selected as an all star reserve.

D Wade at 34 (2016 season):
19.0 points
4.6 assists
4.1 rebounds
1.1 steals
0.6 blocks
45.6 FG%
15.9 3PT%
20.3 PER
.517 TS%
4.9 WS
2.2 VORP
2 double doubles
0 triple doubles

Heat went 43-31 in games Wade played. He made his last all star appearance as a reserve that season.

One plays with much higher expectations than the other and has been a much more productive star, try to guess which one.

 

[Costanza]

Allen Iverson was not a shooter.

I don't think "a shooter" and "a shooting guard" are the same thing. He has been voted onto the Mt Rushmore twice so obviously most disagree with you.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

I don't think "a shooter" and "a shooting guard" are the same thing. He has been voted onto the Mt Rushmore twice so obviously most disagree with you.

This is a name recognition thing. If you set perimeters a good chunk of the names would just disappear as if Thanos came through.

If you’re talking about shooting, why isn’t Joe Johnson on this list? Where is Rudy Gay on your list? Shit, where is Demar Derozen? There are shooters who are effortless at this game.

 

[Costanza]

This is a name recognition thing. If you set perimeters a good chunk of the names would just disappear as if Thanos came through.

If you’re talking about shooting, why isn’t Joe Johnson on this list? Where is Rudy Gay on your list? Shit, where is Demar Derozen? There are shooters who are effortless at this game.

I'm talking about the shooting guard, not necessarily just shooting.

Your question is specifically addressed in the OP.

The options are finite, only can name so many.

"Where is Rudy Gay?"

In their places we will have Manu Ginóbili and Jimmy Butler, slightly edging out Demar Derozen.

Disagree with those options? That's why other is a choice. Post who your other is if you vote that way.

 

[Costanza]

 

[God-Of-War-420]

Yes! Finally more goat and mount Rushmore discussions about basketball! Can we please get a thread on Jordan vs LeBron, I think it's a conversation we definitely need to finally have. Lmao maybe we can invite that unhinged lunatic king whatever the fuck his make is to ruin this thread with his manic ramblings!

 

[Costanza]

Yes! Finally more goat and mount Rushmore discussions about basketball! Can we please get a thread on Jordan vs LeBron, I think it's a conversation we definitely need to finally have. Lmao maybe we can invite that unhinged lunatic king whatever the fuck his make is to ruin this thread with his manic ramblings!

It's a rolling reassessment, I think it's interesting comparing the 2014 and 2024 lists.

Not so much this position because there are no new entrants but Steph was not in the conversation in 2014 for point guards. Oscar Robertson has dropped some, John Stockton a ton. How does Jokic change the dynamic with centers? That's not an overdone conversation at all.

 

[God-Of-War-420]

It's a rolling reassessment, I think it's interesting comparing the 2014 and 2024 lists.

Not so much this position because there are no new entrants but Steph was not in the conversation in 2014 for point guards. Oscar Robertson has dropped some, John Stockton a ton. How does Jokic change the dynamic with centers? That's not an overdone conversation at all.

I came in hot lol I'm just over how often NBA discussion comes down to comparing across generations, goat conversations and of course kingtashithead ruining any and all NBA threads with his Kobe slander and LeBron worship

Carry on lol

 

[Amajorfucup]

Steph Curry needs to be in the list.

 

[Costanza]

Steph Curry needs to be in the list.

If we polled NBA players, a supermajority would categorize Steph as a PG. Same if we polled fans, coaches or the media.

Your point is valid but it's just not the world we live in.

 

[Costanza]

I came in hot lol I'm just over how often NBA discussion comes down to comparing across generations, goat conversations and of course kingtashithead ruining any and all NBA threads with his Kobe slander and LeBron worship

Carry on lol

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It's across generations but divorced of reputation.

 

[BrownTurd]

For me it was

MJ
kobe
Wade
klay

AI was a technically a point guard. James Harden played no defense so he can’t be on my list.

If it was about pure scoring then he would

 

[Costanza]

@KingTaharqa

 

[KingTaharqa]

@KingTaharqa

He was playing point guard and had 13 assists. He didn't have a great shooting night, but hardly the meltdown they tryna make it out to be. James Harden is better than D Wade. Let's see if the Clippers give him a big contract this summer. When Wade was his age, Miami didnt.

 

[EGO-TRIP]

Jerry West should be in the top four . Older players did not last long in the NBA like they do now until Kareem made everyone realize nutrition was important

 

[KingTaharqa]

 

[Costanza]

Steph Curry needs to be in the list.

If we polled NBA players, a supermajority would categorize Steph as a PG. Same if we polled fans, coaches or the media.

Your point is valid but it's just not the world we live in.

The conversation you have been waiting for:

 

[prose00]

1.MJ
2.Kobe
3.Logo
4.AI

5. Iceman
6. Wade
7. T-Mac
8. Harden
9. Vince
10. Ray

 

[Tdot_firestarta]

Kobe, A.I, Jordan, Reggie

 

[Costanza]

I settled on Reggie but Klay, D-Wade, Dumars etc could inhabit that spot

My first thought was "Klay or Reggie over D-Wade is crazy."

But maybe it depends on era. Maybe Wade was better suited for the 2000s and earlier but maybe Klay is better suited for the era he helped usher in (and, while all the credit goes to Steph because he was the better of the two, more respect probably needs to be put on Klay's name for his role in that) and Reggie could be even higher value now.

 

[Costanza]

 

[Tdot_firestarta]

My first thought was "Klay or Reggie over D-Wade is crazy."

But maybe it depends on era. Maybe Wade was better suited for the 2000s and earlier but maybe Klay is better suited for the era he helped usher in (and, while all the credit goes to Steph because he was the better of the two, more respect probably needs to be put on Klay's name for his role in that) and Reggie could be even higher value now.

Yeah man, that's the EXACT way I was looking at it....I was judging with this eras game in mind.

 

[therealjondoe]

Jimmy Butler is not a sg