40 Million Dollar Slaves: The Case of O.J. Mayo (Must Read)

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InForty Million Dollar Slaves: The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of the Black Athlete author William Rhoden's thesis is that today's black athletes are akin to pre-Civil War plantation slaves, because slavery had as much to do with power and control as it had to do with wealth.

The big-money sports in America–football, baseball, basketball–are owned and controlled almost exclusively by white men, and yet each has a disproportionately large percentage of black athletes. They are well paid, but they have no direct power over the current and future direction of these sports. More than that, they lack any real control over their roles within these sports.
The author supports his position with a well-researched and thoughtfully rendered survey of the history of the black athlete. From plantation-born jockeys and boxers of the early 19th century, to the NBA of Michael Jordan and Larry Johnson, Rhoden remains focused on prevailing structures of racism. He notes the accomplishments and frustrations of several well-known figures, including Jackie Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Jesse Owens, and Willie Mays, as well as others who have faded from our collective memory. In doing so, he examines the damaging effects of what he calls the conveyor belt in the contemporary sports world, where children as young as 11 and 12 are pegged as prospects and viewed as potential sources of income through middle school, high school, and college.​

O.J. Mayo is the latest example of the of this institutionalized system of oppression. Allegations have emerged that he earned thousands in gifts and cash during his one year college career at USC.

Yet the NCAA rakes in millions every year on the backs of so-called amateur athletes, while telling them that they’re getting the benefit of a free education, then giving them a rigorous schedule of games and practices that make it impossible for classes and studying to be a priority.


USC knew what they were getting when they signed Mayo, a one-and-done commodity who craved the bright lights of Southern California, but will claim ignorance of any knowledge of Mayo’s actions, and will likely avoid any NCAA sanctions.

But the real problem will continue to be ignored.

The topic of players getting handouts — particularly players from economically disadvantaged families, whose idea of prosperity is survival — is as old as sport itself.
With so-called amateur basketball, we're talking about a system that evolved before any of us were born and will remain long after our days have expired.

This is how the system works:

Sports agents, aspiring to gain influence over a big-time player, tell their "runners" to find the right spot and squeeze. The runners cozy up to a family member or a friend of the player, then open a bank account in his or her name. Or maybe, in the fashion of the day, they start a charitable foundation. The goal is to set up access to cash. The money can be used to buy sneakers for the player one day, lease a car the next. The kid needs to supplement his wardrobe or pay a relative's rent? Done. Over time, it's easy for a college athlete to accumulate loot worth well into six figures. The dollars, devoid of diligent investigation, are presumably untraceable.

The player gets paid. The runner gets paid so the player can be paid. The agent gets paid if, indeed, he snags the client. And all the various professional entities know they will eventually be paid, as soon as the athlete starts to generate revenue for them.


So why cast O.J. Mayo to be the 'whipping boy' of a system everyone loves to decry about but no one is willing to work to change. :smh:


How can you shame him for being an unprofessional athlete when the world "professional sports" essentially perpetuates oppression upon him by agents, runner, and the dark underworld of recruiting.
:smh::smh::smh:

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'Wake Up!'

Links I got for this post:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3405148
http://www.blackathlete.net/artman2/publish/College_Basketball_21/Hold_the_Mayo.shtml
http://www.amazon.com/Forty-Million-Dollar-Slaves-Redemption/dp/0609601202

 
"Wake up?"

Tell that shit to them. I'm not rallying for Mayo. Dude get your chips but I'm not going to condone his behavior.

The system is fucked up but the system is the system. Ninjas did some underhanded shit and got caught.

I have no sympathy.:smh:
 
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Like I said in my other post. The NCAA says they get a "free education". That is like working at burger king and at the end of the day, instead of a wage you get a "free burger and fries" for your 8 hours.

IMHO david stern should be sued for making kids have to do one year at the "print money factory" ncaa. Baseball and hockey do not have to do that.

Always special rules for shit we are primarily doing.
 
"Wake up?"

Tell that shit to them. I'm not rallying for Mayo. Dude get your chips but I'm not going to condone his behavior.

The system is fucked up but the system is the system. Ninjas did some underhanded shit and got caught.

I have no sympathy.:smh:

:hmm:

Pleazzzzz - how you gonna come up here talking about no sympathy when these agents and runners are essentially the same as 'predatory lenders' or 'loan sharks'

Did you not read this part:

Sports agents, aspiring to gain influence over a big-time player, tell their "runners" to find the right spot and squeeze. The runners cozy up to a family member or a friend of the player, then open a bank account in his or her name. Or maybe, in the fashion of the day, they start a charitable foundation. The goal is to set up access to cash. The money can be used to buy sneakers for the player one day, lease a car the next. The kid needs to supplement his wardrobe or pay a relative's rent? Done. Over time, it's easy for a college athlete to accumulate loot worth well into six figures. The dollars, devoid of diligent investigation, are presumably untraceable.​

That's straight up exploitation. If that was done by creditors, the government would be all over that protecting consumers but why the blind eye on this - because of the ridiculous amount of $$$ that can be made off a few thousand dispensable athletes (the majority of them being Black and from economically disadvantaged families).

:hmm:
 
This is 100% bullshit!!!!

Maybe i'm the only one who knows that these dudes do more than just play sports.


EDIT: Also, white people play sports too. Are hockey players slaves too?
 

the ncaa is what it is...
you can't pay them
because then you would have to pay all college athletes
the only college sports that make money or football and basketball...
that money has to pay for all the other sports...
end of story..

the fucked up thing
the age limit to get in the nba..
look at hanna montana
she is 15 yrs. old making millons
but
a 18 yr. old basketball genuis can't get into the league and get paid for his talent...

pure bullshit..


 
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I'm not gonna sit here and fault an NCAA player who may take a gift here or there...shit they are making MILLIONS off their asses...shit Mayo didn't even want to go to college anyway..they need to change that rule back ASAP and then they won't have to worry about this type of shit..but what are they gonna do instead? They are talking about making players stay TWO years in college possibly in the future..
 
:hmm:

Pleazzzzz - how you gonna come up here talking about no sympathy when these agents and runners are essentially the same as 'predatory lenders' or 'loan sharks'

Did you not read this part:

Sports agents, aspiring to gain influence over a big-time player, tell their "runners" to find the right spot and squeeze. The runners cozy up to a family member or a friend of the player, then open a bank account in his or her name. Or maybe, in the fashion of the day, they start a charitable foundation. The goal is to set up access to cash. The money can be used to buy sneakers for the player one day, lease a car the next. The kid needs to supplement his wardrobe or pay a relative's rent? Done. Over time, it's easy for a college athlete to accumulate loot worth well into six figures. The dollars, devoid of diligent investigation, are presumably untraceable.​

That's straight up exploitation. If that was done by creditors, the government would be all over that protecting consumers but why the blind eye on this - because of the ridiculous amount of $$$ that can be made off a few thousand dispensable athletes (the majority of them being Black and from economically disadvantaged families).

:hmm:

No sympathy.

I have sympathy for starving and abused children in this world but not for O.J. Mayo.

This dude has all of his basic necessities met, i.e. food, clothing, transportation, etc. And all he has to do is ride it out for a year.

O.J. is not dumb. He knew the game and the rules. This dude had a plasma television bought for him which leads me to believe he has no respect for the rules. He thought he was above them.

Like I said, the system is the system. It's jacked up but rules are in place. And Mayo blatantly, whether pimped or not, disrespected the rules.

Exploitation?

C'mon dog. This an 18 year old dude. An adult. He's not dumb. He may have done USC a favor but in the end, he shitted on them.

And this story would have sheep such as yourself sympathizing with him.


You are what is called an apologist.

Should college athletes be paid? Yes. But that's not the infrastructure that's in place at the moment.
 
O.J. Mayo is the latest example of the of this institutionalized system of oppression. Allegations have emerged that he earned thousands in gifts and cash during his one year college career at USC.

So earning thousands in gifts and cash equals oppression? That's the kind of oppression I could get used to.


But the real problem will continue to be ignored.

The topic of players getting handouts — particularly players from economically disadvantaged families, whose idea of prosperity is survival — is as old as sport itself. With so-called amateur basketball, we're talking about a system that evolved before any of us were born and will remain long after our days have expired.

This is how the system works:

Sports agents, aspiring to gain influence over a big-time player, tell their "runners" to find the right spot and squeeze. The runners cozy up to a family member or a friend of the player, then open a bank account in his or her name. Or maybe, in the fashion of the day, they start a charitable foundation. The goal is to set up access to cash. The money can be used to buy sneakers for the player one day, lease a car the next. The kid needs to supplement his wardrobe or pay a relative's rent? Done. Over time, it's easy for a college athlete to accumulate loot worth well into six figures. The dollars, devoid of diligent investigation, are presumably untraceable.

The player gets paid. The runner gets paid so the player can be paid. The agent gets paid if, indeed, he snags the client. And all the various professional entities know they will eventually be paid, as soon as the athlete starts to generate revenue for them.


Maybe I'm just dense, but what is the problem....these kids have worked all their lives to make money...and they should make money; sooooo when they get money, then what's the problem.....

So what if an agent gave them 100k, ain't no contract that can be enforced to make them pay it back, cause no agent who wants to stay an agent is gonna say, "hey, i violated ncaa rules by giving this kid money and he signed with someone else, so can I have my money back?"




:hmm:

Pleazzzzz - how you gonna come up here talking about no sympathy when these agents and runners are essentially the same as 'predatory lenders' or 'loan sharks'

Did you not read this part:

Sports agents, aspiring to gain influence over a big-time player, tell their "runners" to find the right spot and squeeze. The runners cozy up to a family member or a friend of the player, then open a bank account in his or her name. Or maybe, in the fashion of the day, they start a charitable foundation. The goal is to set up access to cash. The money can be used to buy sneakers for the player one day, lease a car the next. The kid needs to supplement his wardrobe or pay a relative's rent? Done. Over time, it's easy for a college athlete to accumulate loot worth well into six figures. The dollars, devoid of diligent investigation, are presumably untraceable.​

That's straight up exploitation. If that was done by creditors, the government would be all over that protecting consumers but why the blind eye on this - because of the ridiculous amount of $$$ that can be made off a few thousand dispensable athletes (the majority of them being Black and from economically disadvantaged families).

:hmm:

Please explain how that is exploitation. An agent gives a kid money while he is in school. Say it is 100k. The kid signs with the agent and makes 1 mil. his first year and pays back the 100k, without interest. What's predatory about that?

And if the kid says fuck the agent, then the agent just pissed 100k down the drain on a gamble.
 
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oppression my ass

anyone would kill to be in their shoes

fuck these millionaires, if im gettin paid millions how is that oppressing me

at the end of the day oj is gettin paid millions
 
"Wake up?"

Tell that shit to them. I'm not rallying for Mayo. Dude get your chips but I'm not going to condone his behavior.

The system is fucked up but the system is the system. Ninjas did some underhanded shit and got caught.

I have no sympathy.:smh:

No sympathy.

I have sympathy for starving and abused children in this world but not for O.J. Mayo.

This dude has all of his basic necessities met, i.e. food, clothing, transportation, etc. And all he has to do is ride it out for a year.

O.J. is not dumb. He knew the game and the rules. This dude had a plasma television bought for him which leads me to believe he has no respect for the rules. He thought he was above them.

Like I said, the system is the system. It's jacked up but rules are in place. And Mayo blatantly, whether pimped or not, disrespected the rules.

Exploitation?

C'mon dog. This an 18 year old dude. An adult. He's not dumb. He may have done USC a favor but in the end, he shitted on them.

And this story would have sheep such as yourself sympathizing with him.


You are what is called an apologist.

Should college athletes be paid? Yes. But that's not the infrastructure that's in place at the moment.

:smh: can't be serious...
 
No sympathy.

I have sympathy for starving and abused children in this world but not for O.J. Mayo.

This dude has all of his basic necessities met, i.e. food, clothing, transportation, etc. And all he has to do is ride it out for a year.

O.J. is not dumb. He knew the game and the rules. This dude had a plasma television bought for him which leads me to believe he has no respect for the rules. He thought he was above them.

Like I said, the system is the system. It's jacked up but rules are in place. And Mayo blatantly, whether pimped or not, disrespected the rules.

Exploitation?

C'mon dog. This an 18 year old dude. An adult. He's not dumb. He may have done USC a favor but in the end, he shitted on them.

And this story would have sheep such as yourself sympathizing with him.


You are what is called an apologist.

Should college athletes be paid? Yes. But that's not the infrastructure that's in place at the moment.

AGREED! You are right on point my brothah!
 
from someone that has played college ball....i can tell u that more than just the star athletes get money and gifts. every freshman on my team got signed under the table. i know football players on the team that got paid after each game. the niggaz needed some motivation...so alumns and coaches would give them like $100 per sack....touchdown....interception....etc. cuz when i played, it was against ncaa policies to have a job and be on scholarship. we had no way to make money at all...and we felt it was unfair. so when boosters came handin out money.....u damn right we gonna take it....white and black athletes alike. the average 18 year old doesnt see that much money coming into college....so when he's faced with the pressure and temptation of taking it when it comes...9 times out of 10 he's gonna succumb to accepting the offer. this shit is nothin new....and it'll continue to happen...99% of this shit goes unheard and unreported anyway.
 
No sympathy.

I have sympathy for starving and abused children in this world but not for O.J. Mayo.

This dude has all of his basic necessities met, i.e. food, clothing, transportation, etc. And all he has to do is ride it out for a year.

O.J. is not dumb. He knew the game and the rules. This dude had a plasma television bought for him which leads me to believe he has no respect for the rules. He thought he was above them.

Like I said, the system is the system. It's jacked up but rules are in place. And Mayo blatantly, whether pimped or not, disrespected the rules.

Exploitation?

C'mon dog. This an 18 year old dude. An adult. He's not dumb. He may have done USC a favor but in the end, he shitted on them.

And this story would have sheep such as yourself sympathizing with him.


You are what is called an apologist.

Should college athletes be paid? Yes. But that's not the infrastructure that's in place at the moment.

So now an 18 year old is an adult riiiigghht, so I guess Soulja Boy is adult music right? So we're sheep because we feel that exploitation is exploitation no matter what the monetary value associated with it is, as opposed to just going along with the rules because thats, "the infrastructure that's in place at the moment" I swear you the same cats thats woulda told Harriet to cool out with all that underground railroad talk.
 
So now an 18 year old is an adult riiiigghht, so I guess Soulja Boy is adult music right? So we're sheep because we feel that exploitation is exploitation no matter what the monetary value associated with it is, as opposed to just going along with the rules because thats, "the infrastructure that's in place at the moment" I swear you the same cats thats woulda told Harriet to cool out with all that underground railroad talk.

:lol::yes::smh::hmm::lol:
 
So now an 18 year old is an adult riiiigghht, so I guess Soulja Boy is adult music right? So we're sheep because we feel that exploitation is exploitation no matter what the monetary value associated with it is, as opposed to just going along with the rules because thats, "the infrastructure that's in place at the moment" I swear you the same cats thats woulda told Harriet to cool out with all that underground railroad talk.

She was wrong muthafucka!!!!!!!!!! Rules were in place and the system was the system!!!!!!!!! How dare she violate those rules, I would have told on her.

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from someone that has played college ball....i can tell u that more than just the star athletes get money and gifts. every freshman on my team got signed under the table. i know football players on the team that got paid after each game. the niggaz needed some motivation...so alumns and coaches would give them like $100 per sack....touchdown....interception....etc. cuz when i played, it was against ncaa policies to have a job and be on scholarship. we had no way to make money at all...and we felt it was unfair. so when boosters came handin out money.....u damn right we gonna take it....white and black athletes alike. the average 18 year old doesnt see that much money coming into college....so when he's faced with the pressure and temptation of taking it when it comes...9 times out of 10 he's gonna succumb to accepting the offer. this shit is nothin new....and it'll continue to happen...99% of this shit goes unheard and unreported anyway.

They don't hear you son...
 
So now an 18 year old is an adult riiiigghht, so I guess Soulja Boy is adult music right? So we're sheep because we feel that exploitation is exploitation no matter what the monetary value associated with it is, as opposed to just going along with the rules because thats, "the infrastructure that's in place at the moment" I swear you the same cats thats woulda told Harriet to cool out with all that underground railroad talk.

Dude are you serious?

Exploitation?

Let's talk about exploitation in the business context.

I work my ass off and the IRS takes %40 of my check.

That's exploitation.

O.J. Mayo single handedly generated a few million dollars for the University of Southern California.

But at what cost?

He's going to be a millionaire in the near future. That is not exploitation. That is called a return on your investment.

A lot of you cats are living in The Matrix, falling for the same sensational ass bullshit, that I myself, used to buy into as a teenager. Old school cats such as Bill Russell and Jackie Robinson would be laughing at O.J. Mayo begging for sympathizers. Grow the fuck up and stop being sheep.

I hope O.J. has a good career, gets his chips, but the hell if I'm going to sympathize with him having to do a year at USC, abide by the rules, only to make millions in the future.

Fuck that. Prisoners are being exploited for their labor. But O.J. Mayo, a million dollar slave?

Comparing this dude to a slave is Coonish in nature alone.

Come the fuck on. Rallying behind this bullshit?

Many of you brothas need to "wake up." And stop following every "revolutionist" with a type writer.

Just like in that Marvin Harrison post the other week. "Good guy/ bad guy."

Let's go. I'm just getting started.
 
oppression my ass

anyone would kill to be in their shoes

fuck these millionaires, if im gettin paid millions how is that oppressing me

at the end of the day oj is gettin paid millions


Maybe I'm just dense, but what is the problem....these kids have worked all their lives to make money...and they should make money; sooooo when they get money, then what's the problem.....

So what if an agent gave them 100k, ain't no contract that can be enforced to make them pay it back, cause no agent who wants to stay an agent is gonna say, "hey, i violated ncaa rules by giving this kid money and he signed with someone else, so can I have my money back?"



Please explain how that is exploitation. An agent gives a kid money while he is in school. Say it is 100k. The kid signs with the agent and makes 1 mil. his first year and pays back the 100k, without interest. What's predatory about that?

And if the kid says fuck the agent, then the agent just pissed 100k down the drain on a gamble.

To CeeloChamp and Leeeee - You 2 just don't understand what exploitation is right? Lets have Oxford's dictionary tell us:

Exploit - verb: make use of unfairly; benefit unjustly from the work of.

Now, how is it not exploitation when you get a couple thousand while the NCAA makes millions of you in terms of jersey, poster, tv time, sold out crowds, and national name recognition.

Second, on your agent point. How come the agent is seen as innocent when all the facts are discovered but the kid is the one seen as the irresponsible and breaking the rules when hes being pursued by agents/runners directly and indirectly through family and friends.

I've read your previous posts and you 2 are smart but you clearly missed the point on this.

I don't have specific sympathy for Mayo - just pointing out that hes part of a larger system that exploits players.

Look at Jordan - The Wizards brought him to their team as Director of Basketball Operations to build some sort of recognition off his name and he was cool enough to even come out of retirement to play for them and donate the money to charity but soon enough when they realized he was expendable, he was fired as the Wizards Director of Basketball Operations by Owner Abe Pollin and felt betrayed... he finally realized the best way not to be used and expoited is to own something yourself and then became part owner of the Bobcats.

So now an 18 year old is an adult riiiigghht, so I guess Soulja Boy is adult music right? So we're sheep because we feel that exploitation is exploitation no matter what the monetary value associated with it is, as opposed to just going along with the rules because thats, "the infrastructure that's in place at the moment" I swear you the same cats thats woulda told Harriet to cool out with all that underground railroad talk.

:lol::smh:

I agree with you! Its not even the 18 year age that the exploitation begins but earlier - many of these basketball players are seen as prospects from early as 15,16,17 and are pursued by the underworld of agents to find their weakness and squeeze them.
 
Dude are you serious?

Exploitation?

Let's talk about exploitation in the business context.

I work my ass off and the IRS takes %40 of my check.

That's exploitation.

O.J. Mayo single handedly generated a few million dollars for the University of Southern California.

But at what cost?

He's going to be a millionaire in the near future. That is not exploitation. That is called a return on your investment.

A lot of you cats are living in The Matrix, falling for the same sensational ass bullshit, that I myself, used to buy into as a teenager. Old school cats such as Bill Russell and Jackie Robinson would be laughing at O.J. Mayo begging for sympathizers. Grow the fuck up and stop being sheep.

I hope O.J. has a good career, gets his chips, but the hell if I'm going to sympathize with him having to do a year at USC, abide by the rules, only to make millions in the future.

Fuck that. Prisoners are being exploited for their labor. But O.J. Mayo, a million dollar slave?

Comparing this dude to a slave is Coonish in nature alone.

Come the fuck on. Rallying behind this bullshit?

Many of you brothas need to "wake up." And stop following every "revolutionist" with a type writer.

Just like in that Marvin Harrison post the other week. "Good guy/ bad guy."

Let's go. I'm just getting started.

Since its a popular term on this board lately I will use it here.

You my friend are using "working class white logic".

Wah, wah, what about me. Wah, wah wah, the Irs takes 40% of my check. Wah, wah wah the old timers would have been happy.

There is no logical reason mayo should have to be pimped by the ncaa for a year, none, its horseshit and the rule should be fought, if not fought I wouldnt respect it for a damn.

I would have my school on probation like a muthafucka, in that one year I would get all I could.

And I respect any athlete that say "fuck the ncaa" I could be making mills right now and here I am risking injury playing against a bunch of future fucking IT guys and school teachers.

Why do fans always compare their situation to athletes? Or old time situations, when sports wasnt big money cept for gambling to today?

Look at greg oden, he missed out on a year of earning potential and for what, he hurt anyway.
 
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I agree with you! Its not even the 18 year age that the exploitation begins but earlier - many of these basketball players are seen as prospects from early as 15,16,17 and are pursued by the underworld of agents to find their weakness and squeeze them.

Jackpot. You played yourself.

First you begin your post arguing O.J. is being exploited by the white infrastructure. Right?

But with this statement, you're admitting that he was exploited by his black agents. His black agents. His black agents.

So what is it? A race issue or a money issue?

Either way, welcome to American.


Challenge the system but at the end of the day, O.J. Mayo is going to be a millionaire.

Stop comparing athletes to slaves. I wish I could resurrect a real slave to slap the shit out you for even entertaining such a thought. And that author.

My M.O., I don't like sensationalism. I'll attack you every time. That's my bait.
 
Dude are you serious?

Exploitation?

Let's talk about exploitation in the business context.

I work my ass off and the IRS takes %40 of my check.

That's exploitation.

O.J. Mayo single handedly generated a few million dollars for the University of Southern California.

But at what cost?

He's going to be a millionaire in the near future. That is not exploitation. That is called a return on your investment.

A lot of you cats are living in The Matrix, falling for the same sensational ass bullshit, that I myself, used to buy into as a teenager. Old school cats such as Bill Russell and Jackie Robinson would be laughing at O.J. Mayo begging for sympathizers. Grow the fuck up and stop being sheep.

I hope O.J. has a good career, gets his chips, but the hell if I'm going to sympathize with him having to do a year at USC, abide by the rules, only to make millions in the future.

Fuck that. Prisoners are being exploited for their labor. But O.J. Mayo, a million dollar slave?

Comparing this dude to a slave is Coonish in nature alone.

Come the fuck on. Rallying behind this bullshit?

Many of you brothas need to "wake up." And stop following every "revolutionist" with a type writer.

Just like in that Marvin Harrison post the other week. "Good guy/ bad guy."

Let's go. I'm just getting started.

I agree with you that there are other pressing issues like prison reform, inner city poverty, and drug law reform that is worth more talking about and I don't mean to sensationalize anything by this post by using the term slave but the real point is exploitation.

O.J. Mayo single handedly generated a few million dollars for the University of Southern California.

But at what cost?

He's going to be a millionaire in the near future. That is not exploitation. That is called a return on your investment.

Mayo earned millions for USC while setting pennies in comparison back in the form of a few grand in cash/gifts. You say thats ok because soon he'll be making millions of his own in the NBA right.

Ok lets follow that logic. Lets use someone like LeBron James.

Sure James got a 90 million sneaker contract with Nike for 7 years and then recently signed a 60 million extension with the Cavs. Sure he must be getting paid right now right.

Well, not exactly since the NBA & Commissioner Stern make many times that same amount over just based upon someone like James through INTERNATIONAL marketing and selling of game rights to companies.

Do you know that there are alone 300 million NBA fans in China alone? Do you know how big of a market that is?

Nike exclusively sells 2 James sneakers only in China where there is Museum dedicated to him in Shanghai!!

Lets face it, the NBA and others are making up to 10 times the amount they are paying him.
 
Since its a popular term on this board lately I will use it here.

You my friend are using "working class white logic".

Wah, wah, what about me. Wah, wah wah, the Irs takes 40% of my check. Wah, wah wah the old timers would have been happy.

There is no logical reason mayo should have to be pimped by the ncaa for a year, none, its horseshit and the rule should be fought, if not fought I wouldnt respect it for a damn.

I would have my school on probation like a muthafucka, in that one year I would get all I could.

And I respect any athlete that say "fuck the ncaa" I could be making mills right now and here I am risking injury playing against a bunch of future fucking IT guys and school teachers.

Why do fans always compare their situation to athletes? Or old time situations, when sports wasnt big money cept for gambling to today?

Look at greg oden, he missed out on a year of earning potential and for what, he hurt anyway.


Man. First of all, I'm using logic and common sense. White working class? What are you doing to not get taxed? Tell me your secret, please.

Anyway.

These athletes are not being exploited because they choose to play for the NCAA. And that my friend, is an investment to possibly make millions in the future. An investment.

And you say that the NCAA pimped O.J. Mayo? I would say he pimped them. He's in the clear. He won. And good.

But he had a right not to play which is not a characteristic of slavery.

Y'all cats keep posting like playing in the NBA is a right. The NBA is a corporation. The NCAA is a corporation. And they've laid down the guidelines for their businesses. You don't like it, cool. Don't play. Boycott. But never compare a voluntary athlete to slavery or exploitation. That's rubbish.

And Greg Oden is pimping the NBA too. That dude got millions this year for what?

SMH.
 
I agree with you that there are other pressing issues like prison reform, inner city poverty, and drug law reform that is worth more talking about and I don't mean to sensationalize anything by this post by using the term slave but the real point is exploitation.



Mayo earned millions for USC while setting pennies in comparison back in the form of a few grand in cash/gifts. You say thats ok because soon he'll be making millions of his own in the NBA right.

Ok lets follow that logic. Lets use someone like LeBron James.

Sure James got a 90 million sneaker contract with Nike for 7 years and then recently signed a 60 million extension with the Cavs. Sure he must be getting paid right now right.

Well, not exactly since the NBA & Commissioner Stern make many times that same amount over just based upon someone like James through INTERNATIONAL marketing and selling of game rights to companies.

Do you know that there are alone 300 million NBA fans in China alone? Do you know how big of a market that is?

Nike exclusively sells 2 James sneakers only in China where there is Museum dedicated to him in Shanghai!!

Lets face it, the NBA and others are making up to 10 times the amount they are paying him.

There is no such a thing as equal market value. That's not how the world works.

Do you think your place of employment are paying you what they are making off of you?

That's with any industry. The NFL, IBM, Cisco, ESPN, etc.

Welcome to the real world man.

These athletes are not entrepreneurs. They are employees like many of us.

If I use your logic, we're (employees) all slaves.

The difference between myself and O.J. Mayo is that he's going to be a rich slave, according to your logic. And you're asking me or anyone of us to sympathize with him?
 
Jackpot. You played yourself.

First you begin your post arguing O.J. is being exploited by the white infrastructure. Right?

But with this statement, you're admitting that he was exploited by his black agents. His black agents. His black agents.

So what is it? A race issue or a money issue?

Either way, welcome to American.


Challenge the system but at the end of the day, O.J. Mayo is going to be a millionaire.

Stop comparing athletes to slaves. I wish I could resurrect a real slave to slap the shit out you for even entertaining such a thought. And that author.

My M.O., I don't like sensationalism. I'll attack you every time. That's my bait.

I don't think I ever specifically called this a race issue of exploitation. There are elements of race involved. The larger aspects nevertheless are dominated by class but the fact that the ruling class is white is not something that can be ignored. Aside from MJ and Robert Johnson of the Bobcats, all the other owners are white...

Stop comparing athletes to slaves. I wish I could resurrect a real slave to slap the shit out you for even entertaining such a thought. And that author.

My M.O., I don't like sensationalism. I'll attack you every time. That's my bait.

The term slave is the author's, I'm driving at the point of exploitation which can be done by anyone.

BTW, a slave is not limited to being defined as property but another accepted definition is "a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something."

Excessive control ... hmmm - doesn't that sound a little like what those agents, runners, and all the people involved in the underworld of recruiting are doing to teenagers by pursuing them through every single means.
 
Man. First of all, I'm using logic and common sense. White working class? What are you doing to not get taxed? Tell me your secret, please.

Anyway.

These athletes are not being exploited because they choose to play for the NCAA. And that my friend, is an investment to possibly make millions in the future. An investment.

And you say that the NCAA pimped O.J. Mayo? I would say he pimped them. He's in the clear. He won. And good.

But he had a right not to play which is not a characteristic of slavery.

Y'all cats keep posting like playing in the NBA is a right. The NBA is a corporation. The NCAA is a corporation. And they've laid down the guidelines for their businesses. You don't like it, cool. Don't play. Boycott. But never compare a voluntary athlete to slavery or exploitation. That's rubbish.

And Greg Oden is pimping the NBA too. That dude got millions this year for what?

SMH.

I am saying I here your argument coming from white working class fans that alway complain about how good athletes got it. Well if they had talent to do something they would have it good also, I dont get the hate.

Everybody pays taxes, so that goes without saying and shouldnt be mentioned.

OJ. mayo wasnt successful in his pimping unless he gets the USC program put on probation. :yes:

That would be sweet revenge for having to toil around with the future stockbrokers when he should have been on the pro court earning 7 figures.

Let the stupid ass NCAA keep investigating these star players, they shooting themselves in the foot.

These top tier players would be better off playing with pros in europe for a year, earning a check than coming back to the NBA. Fuck the NCAA.

Yeah its a rule, so was a lot of unfair dumb ass shit. And nobody can explain to me why MLB and baseball do not do this?
 
There is no such a thing as equal market value. That's not how the world works.

Do you think your place of employment are paying you what they are making off of you?

That's with any industry. The NFL, IBM, Cisco, ESPN, etc.

Welcome to the real world man.

These athletes are not entrepreneurs. They are employees like many of us.

If I use your logic, we're (employees) all slaves.

The difference between myself and O.J. Mayo is that he's going to be a rich slave, according to your logic. And you're asking me or anyone of us to sympathize with him?

No one is asking for equal market value, just FAIR MARKET VALUE.

The rationale for this post using Mayo was to highlight the corrupt system of recruiting! Irrespective of anyting, the dude made it, he'll get paid and be the rich "slave" (even though a slave can mean just more than being a piece of property- see previous post).

The point of this post is show the double standard of the NCAA and the NBA in not going after the recruiters, agents, and other actors that act as try to trap these young talented players without facing any consequences when their payments are found.

If this is America, I can live with it. I just want to raise awareness about the fukery.

I too am generally against sensationalism but sometimes you need to say crazy shit to wake people up.
 
from someone that has played college ball....i can tell u that more than just the star athletes get money and gifts. every freshman on my team got signed under the table. i know football players on the team that got paid after each game. the niggaz needed some motivation...so alumns and coaches would give them like $100 per sack....touchdown....interception....etc. cuz when i played, it was against ncaa policies to have a job and be on scholarship. we had no way to make money at all...and we felt it was unfair. so when boosters came handin out money.....u damn right we gonna take it....white and black athletes alike. the average 18 year old doesnt see that much money coming into college....so when he's faced with the pressure and temptation of taking it when it comes...9 times out of 10 he's gonna succumb to accepting the offer. this shit is nothin new....and it'll continue to happen...99% of this shit goes unheard and unreported anyway.

I hear you ColChi - my point is that why bust the balls of the players when the 1 percent it does get reported and investigations go into the player and not those who set him up for the ride and the fall.

That's the bs I'm against.
 
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To CeeloChamp and Leeeee - You 2 just don't understand what exploitation is right? Lets have Oxford's dictionary tell us:

Exploit - verb: make use of unfairly; benefit unjustly from the work of.

Now, how is it not exploitation when you get a couple thousand while the NCAA makes millions of you in terms of jersey, poster, tv time, sold out crowds, and national name recognition.

Second, on your agent point. How come the agent is seen as innocent when all the facts are discovered but the kid is the one seen as the irresponsible and breaking the rules when hes being pursued by agents/runners directly and indirectly through family and friends.

I've read your previous posts and you 2 are smart but you clearly missed the point on this.

I don't have specific sympathy for Mayo - just pointing out that hes part of a larger system that exploits players.

Look at Jordan - The Wizards brought him to their team as Director of Basketball Operations to build some sort of recognition off his name and he was cool enough to even come out of retirement to play for them and donate the money to charity but soon enough when they realized he was expendable, he was fired as the Wizards Director of Basketball Operations by Owner Abe Pollin and felt betrayed... he finally realized the best way not to be used and expoited is to own something yourself and then became part owner of the Bobcats.



:lol::smh:

I agree with you! Its not even the 18 year age that the exploitation begins but earlier - many of these basketball players are seen as prospects from early as 15,16,17 and are pursued by the underworld of agents to find their weakness and squeeze them.


i feel you but

how bout this tho?

the man is getting a free education at a school thats probablly like 25,000 a semester

how is he getting exploited?

for 1, he has his choice of any degree

2, he's getting into the nba where he will get about 3 to 5 million for just being a lottery pick, not to mention his sneaker contract which will be iprobablly between 10 and 20 million

i think its a pretty fair exchange

thats just me tho

i would kill for duke to to give me a full scholarship and make millions off of me

meanwhile im just dribbling a ball with a very high chance of being a lottery pick and having a promising career in the nba
 
Dude are you serious?

Exploitation?

Let's talk about exploitation in the business context.

I work my ass off and the IRS takes %40 of my check.

That's exploitation.

O.J. Mayo single handedly generated a few million dollars for the University of Southern California.

But at what cost?

He's going to be a millionaire in the near future. That is not exploitation. That is called a return on your investment.

A lot of you cats are living in The Matrix, falling for the same sensational ass bullshit, that I myself, used to buy into as a teenager. Old school cats such as Bill Russell and Jackie Robinson would be laughing at O.J. Mayo begging for sympathizers. Grow the fuck up and stop being sheep.

I hope O.J. has a good career, gets his chips, but the hell if I'm going to sympathize with him having to do a year at USC, abide by the rules, only to make millions in the future.

Fuck that. Prisoners are being exploited for their labor. But O.J. Mayo, a million dollar slave?

Comparing this dude to a slave is Coonish in nature alone.

Come the fuck on. Rallying behind this bullshit?

Many of you brothas need to "wake up." And stop following every "revolutionist" with a type writer.

Just like in that Marvin Harrison post the other week. "Good guy/ bad guy."

Let's go. I'm just getting started.

well then lets get started.
You get pimped by the IRS, ok so your opening salvo is, hey i ve been wronged so automatically since you took shit and ate it, or have no way of stopping it, fuck everyone else, is that right?

Then you talk about a return investment, this is faulty logic, the rule is you have to play a year in NCAA what if it were two, what if you had to be a senior before opting out (which would put some pressure on education) and then you had an Oden going from number one in the draft to hurt for who knows how long? Fair? Of course not, there is no investment in the future this is a system and institution designed to make money off of resources that the primary rapist cannot manufacture themselves, they are taking advantage of young boys and families in dire (not all but most) situations and hiding behind academia.

And where is the line drawn in your argument, so what if he wasnt going to make millions, then it would be wrong, what if wasnt a top ten pick but a top 25? 50? so when you get drafted affects if its wrong?

Your logic some yahoo could say "oh Sean Bell thats sad, but (insert next victim here) he did have a record so its not really that bad, or well he was only shot three times by a cop" wrong is wrong daddy, at the end of the day its exploitation....... of us.......again
 
well then lets get started.
You get pimped by the IRS, ok so your opening salvo is, hey i ve been wronged so automatically since you took shit and ate it, or have no way of stopping it, fuck everyone else, is that right?

Then you talk about a return investment, this is faulty logic, the rule is you have to play a year in NCAA what if it were two, what if you had to be a senior before opting out (which would put some pressure on education) and then you had an Oden going from number one in the draft to hurt for who knows how long? Fair? Of course not, there is no investment in the future this is a system and institution designed to make money off of resources that the primary rapist cannot manufacture themselves, they are taking advantage of young boys and families in dire (not all but most) situations and hiding behind academia.

And where is the line drawn in your argument, so what if he wasnt going to make millions, then it would be wrong, what if wasnt a top ten pick but a top 25? 50? so when you get drafted affects if its wrong?

Your logic some yahoo could say "oh Sean Bell thats sad, but (insert next victim here) he did have a record so its not really that bad, or well he was only shot three times by a cop" wrong is wrong daddy, at the end of the day its exploitation....... of us.......again

Stop it. You're doing way too much reaching for me to even vibe with you dog. If you can't read the above mentioned points and come to a logical conclusion then I can't fuck with you.

Now let's examine your fucking logic. Your dictation is full of hypothetical situations and we could go around and around all day with that.

And you called these athletes young boys? Young boys? And you bring up Sean Bell in a debate about college atheletes? You're sensationalizing and just plain rambling. And I can read right threw your grammar, i.e. advertisement for a rise out of me.

:smh:

You know the difference between a debate and an arguement? Do you. A debate is an arguement without emotion. And you my friend are trying to argue. I'll lay this out for you one more time. And I'm not going to "argue" with you in a no winning situation because your opening statements told me a lot about your intentions. And I'm not running. You'd be in here all day throwing smoke screens and I'm not going to extinguish them.

Now. OP: 40 Million Dollar Slaves:

First of all WTF is a 40 Million Dollar Slave?

Second, The NCAA is a corporation. Don't like it, play oversees. O.J. Mayo volunteerily signed his name on the NCAA Clearinghouse form, cosigning their rules, cosigning their rules, cosigning their rules. He signed a fucking contract.

The NBA is a corporation with rules. Don't like it. Play oversees. The NBA is not a right. If you get hurt in college, you didn't make it. You're not owed shit. That's the problem with a lot of us, we think people owe us shit. That's why we can't advance as a people.

And finially. O.J. Mayo was not exploited. He invested a year in college to make millions in return. So the fuck what if he got hurt. Get your degree then. Adjust. I'd do a year in the pen if I knew I had millions waiting for me when I got out. With the chance of getting hurt.

Still SMH.

You can respond if you want. But I'm not chasing your ass around here rebutting hypothetical situations. I've stated facts, no smoke, no mirrors.

Peace.
 
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