“I’d rather be a black middle-class person than a white poor person.”

“I’d rather be a black middle-class person than a white poor person.”

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For context, the relevant excerpt from a much-longer article:

Every Thursday for the past few years, 26-year-old Sean McElwee, an autodidact political consultant and leftist Twitter personality known for his Abolish ICE activism, has hosted a socialist happy hour in a dank East Village bar. (McElwee told me I couldn’t name the bar because if I did, it might get stormed by the alt-right Proud Boys.) The happy hour used to be a marginal event, like a sad but beloved open-mic night. Now Democratic politicians in nice clothes Uber in to kiss McElwee’s ring and gain the trust of New York’s young socialist power elite. Like Mike Gianaris, a state senator from Queens standing by the bar one Thursday in November who had originally supported the Amazon deal but, his finger to the wind, reversed himself and turned into an anti-Amazon firebrand. Soon he and McElwee were co-authoring op-eds and retweeting each other. Also there was Jumaane Williams, to gin up support for the upcoming race for public advocate — de Blasio’s old job — which he ended up winning. And those guys are B-list. McElwee boasted to me that Senator Kirsten Gillibrand had been by recently, drinking the “piss bar wine.”

McElwee, a lapsed Evangelical Christian who used to intern at the libertarian Reason Foundation, has through sheer chutzpah transformed himself into one of the go-to voices of New York City socialism. (He tracks the performance of Abolish ICE tweets via Excel spreadsheet.) I saw him again at a happy hour a month later. “What’s your name again?” he asked me. “I always forget white guys’ names.” (McElwee is white.) I bought McElwee a vodka-and-soda — “I’m trying to lose weight. All the white supremacists are making fun of me” — and we chatted with a guy in wire-rimmed glasses and muttonchops who worked at Google and said he was at the Seattle WTO protests in 1999. The beauty of “Abolish ICE,” he told us, was its simplicity. “Build the wall,” “Lock her up”: They’re all perfect for shouting.

McElwee’s Abolish ICE activism has made his brand of immigration politics synonymous with young socialism. But it taps into a deep and awkward divide on the left. Bernie Sanders, for example, has long toed a more conservative line on immigration. To him, unchecked immigration is favorable to the bosses since it leads to an influx of cheap labor. “Open borders,” he has said, “is a Koch-brothers proposal.” A cause like Abolish ICE, in the view of the socialist old school, will galvanize a progressive constituency at the expense of uniting a populist movement, which Sanders has long dreamed of building around class. By that logic, to divide your coalition into competing identity groups is to fracture and doom your movement.

This is also the Jacobin view of socialism. Bhaskar Sunkara, the magazine’s founder, lays out the anti-identity argument in his forthcoming book, The Socialist Manifesto:
“Without the bedrock of a class politics, identity politics has become an agenda of inclusionary neoliberalism,” he writes. “A world where half the Fortune 500 CEOs are women and fewer of them are white would be better than our world today, but still doesn’t mean much if there are just as many poor kids experiencing the same oppression they are now.” Or, as he put it more provocatively in person, “I’d rather be a black middle-class person than a white poor person.”

McElwee couldn’t disagree more. “I don’t ascribe in any way to these ideas that identity politics is bad for us. I think I can take someone who is deeply concerned about patriarchy and I can make them understand how patriarchy intersects with capitalism much more than I can take someone who’s mad because GM took their job away and make them understand socialism,” he said. (DSA’s Cunningham, who is black, sees class versus race as a false choice. “Racism,” she says, “is a tool of capitalism” to divide workers.)

One reason McElwee isn’t bothered about alienating blue-collar whites is that he’s not interested in their votes. Like the Ocasio-Cortez-aligned PAC Justice Democrats, his activism revolves around running candidates in safe blue districts and pushing leftward from within. Which is exactly how ultraprogressive congresswomen and close AOC allies Ayanna Pressley, Ilhan Omar, and DSA member Rashida Tlaib were elected to the House in the November midterm elections.

“It’s weird to me that DSA is a coalition of college-educated white people who, like, hate the idea that the Democratic Party should appeal to college-educated white people,” McElwee said. Sanders, meanwhile, is hoping for a somewhat broader appeal.
 

roots69

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My late uncle have always said the more black folks move up in America, the more racist white folks get in America :smh:

Man, you aint kidding!! Black folks making a decent amount of money, makes white folks upset!! For sum reason, they are okay with black pro sportsmen making big cash. But as far as your average black upper middle class goes, it bothers the shit outta white people!!
 

Rembrandt Brown

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You couldnt pay me enough money to be white.
I think it's better to think of this as being about who is better off rather than who you'd personally rather be. (i.e. Like we might talk about who is better off between men and women-- You might think women are better off without necessarily wanting to transform into a female. The conversation is a bit deeper if we avoid personalizing it.)
 

roots69

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Why would anyone want to be poor regardless of color? Poor and white is two strikes against you. Some might disagree but rich whites don't really want to be near poor whites, they look down upon them.

Boy, aint that the truth..
 

cnc

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Why would anyone want to be poor regardless of color? Poor and white is two strikes against you. Some might disagree but rich whites don't really want to be near poor whites, they look down upon them.

Hell I know better off, not even rich, whites who don’t even deal with the “white trash” in their own family. Went to college with a few who WERE poor but had the benefit of having decent genes (were attractive enough to attract a wypo male), had ok, government supported food, housing and medical care (having your teeth fixed does wonders for your life as a kid) and had good enough grades to get into college, where they met the future Mr. CAC, married, got the house in the burbs and hardly EVER go back to their roots even though they are no more than an hour in any direction.

Poor whites play the victim card to a tee and use blacks, and now Mexicans/South Americans, as their proxies for everything wrong with their life. Facts is; they are too ugly or stupid or both to exist in a world where the 1st/2nd/3rd shift 8 hour factory job with union wages and 4 weeks of shutdown (summer and Christmas) plus vacation and a pension doesn’t exist anymore. Instead of figuring out how to maximumize their whiteness to do better, they play victim.
 

BGLR1212000

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I think it's better to think of this as being about who is better off rather than who you'd personally rather be. (i.e. Like we might talk about who is better off between men and women-- You might think women are better off without necessarily wanting to transform into a female. The conversation is a bit deeper if we avoid personalizing it.)
I got what he was asking, but I had to make my point, I'd rather be dead than white. On topic, anybody with that green paper has the advantage in life.
 

Ceenote

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My late uncle have always said the more black folks move up in America, the more racist white folks get in America :smh:


Man i got a friend of mines shes works for the city she makes a nice piece, but in her department its only like 6 of them. 5 black and the other one puerto rican.... they give all them the hardest time! The other department next to them dnt do their jobs but they dnt say shit... plus they dnt make nearly as much and its a mixed crowd... im like they hate that yall make that bread and all yall are black women!..smdh!
 

THE DRIZZY

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Being white and poor is the worst in MuriKKKa. Imagine having an entire economic and political system that was set up in it's inception to protect white patriarchy and having those who they consider sub-human doing better? They have to feel like the ultimate losers.
 

BitchI'llKillYa

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Being white and poor is the worst in MuriKKKa. Imagine having an entire economic and political system that was set up in it's inception to protect white patriarchy and having those who they consider sub-human doing better? They have to feel like the ultimate losers.
But will you get shot for driving in too nice a car in too nice an area?

Fuck them CACs poor and rich alike
 

BronxBomber

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Lost me at or be white.....

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BitchI'llKillYa

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This shit is insulting













For context, the relevant excerpt from a much-longer article:

Every Thursday for the past few years, 26-year-old Sean McElwee, an autodidact political consultant and leftist Twitter personality known for his Abolish ICE activism, has hosted a socialist happy hour in a dank East Village bar. (McElwee told me I couldn’t name the bar because if I did, it might get stormed by the alt-right Proud Boys.) The happy hour used to be a marginal event, like a sad but beloved open-mic night. Now Democratic politicians in nice clothes Uber in to kiss McElwee’s ring and gain the trust of New York’s young socialist power elite. Like Mike Gianaris, a state senator from Queens standing by the bar one Thursday in November who had originally supported the Amazon deal but, his finger to the wind, reversed himself and turned into an anti-Amazon firebrand. Soon he and McElwee were co-authoring op-eds and retweeting each other. Also there was Jumaane Williams, to gin up support for the upcoming race for public advocate — de Blasio’s old job — which he ended up winning. And those guys are B-list. McElwee boasted to me that Senator Kirsten Gillibrand had been by recently, drinking the “piss bar wine.”

McElwee, a lapsed Evangelical Christian who used to intern at the libertarian Reason Foundation, has through sheer chutzpah transformed himself into one of the go-to voices of New York City socialism. (He tracks the performance of Abolish ICE tweets via Excel spreadsheet.) I saw him again at a happy hour a month later. “What’s your name again?” he asked me. “I always forget white guys’ names.” (McElwee is white.) I bought McElwee a vodka-and-soda — “I’m trying to lose weight. All the white supremacists are making fun of me” — and we chatted with a guy in wire-rimmed glasses and muttonchops who worked at Google and said he was at the Seattle WTO protests in 1999. The beauty of “Abolish ICE,” he told us, was its simplicity. “Build the wall,” “Lock her up”: They’re all perfect for shouting.

McElwee’s Abolish ICE activism has made his brand of immigration politics synonymous with young socialism. But it taps into a deep and awkward divide on the left. Bernie Sanders, for example, has long toed a more conservative line on immigration. To him, unchecked immigration is favorable to the bosses since it leads to an influx of cheap labor. “Open borders,” he has said, “is a Koch-brothers proposal.” A cause like Abolish ICE, in the view of the socialist old school, will galvanize a progressive constituency at the expense of uniting a populist movement, which Sanders has long dreamed of building around class. By that logic, to divide your coalition into competing identity groups is to fracture and doom your movement.

This is also the Jacobin view of socialism. Bhaskar Sunkara, the magazine’s founder, lays out the anti-identity argument in his forthcoming book, The Socialist Manifesto:
“Without the bedrock of a class politics, identity politics has become an agenda of inclusionary neoliberalism,” he writes. “A world where half the Fortune 500 CEOs are women and fewer of them are white would be better than our world today, but still doesn’t mean much if there are just as many poor kids experiencing the same oppression they are now.” Or, as he put it more provocatively in person, “I’d rather be a black middle-class person than a white poor person.”

McElwee couldn’t disagree more. “I don’t ascribe in any way to these ideas that identity politics is bad for us. I think I can take someone who is deeply concerned about patriarchy and I can make them understand how patriarchy intersects with capitalism much more than I can take someone who’s mad because GM took their job away and make them understand socialism,” he said. (DSA’s Cunningham, who is black, sees class versus race as a false choice. “Racism,” she says, “is a tool of capitalism” to divide workers.)

One reason McElwee isn’t bothered about alienating blue-collar whites is that he’s not interested in their votes. Like the Ocasio-Cortez-aligned PAC Justice Democrats, his activism revolves around running candidates in safe blue districts and pushing leftward from within. Which is exactly how ultraprogressive congresswomen and close AOC allies Ayanna Pressley, Ilhan Omar, and DSA member Rashida Tlaib were elected to the House in the November midterm elections.

“It’s weird to me that DSA is a coalition of college-educated white people who, like, hate the idea that the Democratic Party should appeal to college-educated white people,” McElwee said. Sanders, meanwhile, is hoping for a somewhat broader appeal.
 

gene cisco

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Why would anyone want to be poor regardless of color? Poor and white is two strikes against you. Some might disagree but rich whites don't really want to be near poor whites, they look down upon them.
Yeah, In general, even middle-class whites don't want poor whites around. If they were black, it would be called self-hate. :roflmao: That's how bad it is.

What the guy is saying is true. This is 2010s, not the 1950s. This the age where middle-class black folks talking about micro aggressions. And pigs in the suburbs these days seem to have no fucks to give. They ride one deep and just want to keep the job easy as possible. Fuck being poor and white. Folks reaching like it's back in the day.
 

tallblacknyc

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My late uncle have always said the more black folks move up in America, the more racist white folks get in America :smh:
It's simple..as I've said on here b4 what is a white person without money? Absolutely useless... If you take away their money especially white males they are absolutely useless..money is their only thing they got to keep them in the species race...they have no other desirable trait that would make their women stay with them...take away they bread it's game over for their ass...now if black men started matching them dollar for dollar it's almost like the cac being broke...now we could start buying them out, compete on levels of business, etc...less opportunities for them...which diminish their power and presence...which makes their women start looking elsewhere... They know this that s why they worship money and why they kill themselves when they lose it
 

jack walsh13

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My late uncle have always said the more black folks move up in America, the more racist white folks get in America :smh:
Fuckin rotten ass crakkas can't help themselves. It's in their DNA. They always feel they have to be the best and they will hate and do all they can to destroy and bring down others who are successful who don't look like them out of fear of inferiority.

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big enos burrnet

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Most of use are poor,I know it's a hard pill to swallow for most of us but the truth is most of us are poor and yes there are levels to this shit.

There's nothing worse than a poor white person,their just all around dirt and they go out of their way to show it.
dont they...them m-f's live life foul as fuck...and be swearing they still have to upper hand then us...when i go to car shows showing off my whip
you can tell when poor white trash roll up cause the first thing they will do is try to find a reason to hate...they get very very jealous of black folks
even more then middle class whites...
 

Darrkman

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You're talking about Briahna? Why?
That chick is dumb as a box of rocks. I not sure how she's able to talk with Bernie Sanders dick always in her mouth.

Anyway the Bernie Bros have been upset cause Nikole Hannah Jones been schooling them on their "it's class not race" bullshit

 

roots69

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Being white and poor is the worst in MuriKKKa. Imagine having an entire economic and political system that was set up in it's inception to protect white patriarchy and having those who they consider sub-human doing better? They have to feel like the ultimate losers.

Right on, write on and ride on, bruh!!
 

roots69

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Wouldn't want to be poor period


True!! I grew up not having a lot, but I was lucky(like many others) to have a strong family! My grandmother kept our whole family together!! Anyway, Ive been down that path and I dont wish that on ANYONE!!
 

roots69

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It's simple..as I've said on here b4 what is a white person without money? Absolutely useless... If you take away their money especially white males they are absolutely useless..money is their only thing they got to keep them in the species race...they have no other desirable trait that would make their women stay with them...take away they bread it's game over for their ass...now if black men started matching them dollar for dollar it's almost like the cac being broke...now we could start buying them out, compete on levels of business, etc...less opportunities for them...which diminish their power and presence...which makes their women start looking elsewhere... They know this that s why they worship money and why they kill themselves when they lose it

TRUE!! Bruh, well said!!
 

phanatic

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Being poor, white, and ignorant is the needed conversation. There are some broke white people out there that hustle hard for their families, and then there are some broke dumb white people out there that think they are entitled to certain things, and some people need to be deprived of those same things. This is the classic Tonya Harding scenario...if you can't compete honestly, you have to want the competition out of the game completely.
 

Rembrandt Brown

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I'm very surprised by the poll results. Disregarding one troll vote, right now there's a unanimous 33 votes agreeing with the statement. I expected more of of a contingent arguing that white privilege overwhelms economic class in the effect on someone's life. I think Bhaskar and Briahna defended the statement well but I'm very surprised that dozens of people weighed in and it all came down on one side.
 

Cannibal

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Let's be honest. Would any race of folks really reject their own race for another? I mean you might have a few dimwits and assholes who may want to convert, but by in large, nobody is gonna dump their culture to go with another race.
 
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