A White Liberal's Trying To Oust A Progressive Black Congressman. His Comments Could Make That Hard. (AIPAC-Backed Challenger to Jamaal Bowman in NY)

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When Westchester County Executive George Latimer ascended the podium at the Black Democrats of Westchester’s annual reception in late January, he chose to speak about the abundance of Black elected officials who now dot the majority-white, suburban county.

Listing out Black officials — from state Senate Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins and his own hand-picked deputy county executive to more local figures — Latimer described the present moment as the product of decades of hard work toward achieving racial equality.

“That’s a sign of progress,”
Latimer recalled of his remarks. “We haven’t made enough progress, but we’re making progress.”

To some in the crowd though, Latimer’s words betrayed a lack of self-awareness. Latimer is currently running to unseat Rep. Jamaal Bowman, lower Westchester’s first Black representative in Congress, who was in attendance as well. The county executive did not mention his Democratic primary opponent when enumerating Westchester’s accomplished Black elected officials.

“The silence was deafening — he goes out of his way not to mention the fact that Jamaal is the first Black man to represent a very diverse district and the fact that he’s actually really challenging someone,” said Shane Osinloye, a progressive member of the New Rochelle City Council, who was present at the event. “I can’t believe that he doesn’t know what he’s doing when he’s trying to surgically remove representation — not just somebody who looks like me and shares my gender, but someone who represents my issues in a way that very few other elected officials do.”

Leilani Yizar-Reid, a town trustee in Mamaroneck who was also present, called Latimer’s comments “insulting.” She questioned Latimer’s decision to even bring up a sore subject in the context of his primary run.

“I don’t know why he chose that particular topic, but that’s on him,” she said. “Know your audience.”

County Legislator Terry Clements, majority whip on the Westchester County board of legislators and chair of the Black Democrats of Westchester, declined to comment on Latimer’s remarks for this story.

The extent to which Bowman supporters are able to raise questions in voters’ minds about Latimer’s racial sensitivity could play an important role in the county executive’s bid to rob Bowman of the Democratic nomination in June. Since New York’s 16th Congressional District, which also includes a sliver of the northern Bronx, is solidly Democratic, this year’s primary will decide which person — and which wing of the party, Bowman’s anti-establishment progressives or Latimer’s mainstream liberals — gets control of a coveted House seat.

The population of New York’s 16th was about one-third Black and one-fifth Latino when Bowman first won there in 2020. But the exclusion of predominantly Black Bronx neighborhoods like Co-Op City from the district during court-ordered redistricting in 2022 reduced the Black share of the district’s population to about 21%, while maintaining the Latino population at its previous level.

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Latimer and his Black allies insist that the criticisms of his remarks come from people who are angry about his decision to run, and that the denunciations do not reflect his record as county executive or the depth of his relationships with Black constituents and elected officials.

Referring to his remarks at the January reception, Latimer told HuffPost, “Anyone who took offense at that is probably a person who doesn’t support me and is looking to be offended.”

“There are people who are African American who are unhappy that I am in this race,” he added. “They want to impute racial reasons for my candidacy and there are no racial reasons for my candidacy.”

But it’s not just Bowman supporters who are urging Latimer to exercise discretion with his choice of words.

“It’s easy to cross over from campaigning to being patronizing,” said Basil Smikle, a former chair of the New York State Democratic Party who is more aligned with the party’s moderate establishment but has not endorsed a candidate in the primary. “He’ll need to be careful not to lean into the latter in front of both Black and non-Black voters.”

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Invoking His Upbringing

Latimer’s previously unreported comments at the Black Democrats of Westchester event are one of several incidents that his mostly progressive Black critics see as evidence of his tin-eared language on racial matters.

Earlier this month, Black Westchester Magazine reported that Latimer accused Bowman of accepting money from the Palestinian militant group Hamas, which perpetrated the brutal Oct. 7 massacre in Israel, while speaking with a skeptical voter at Black History Month event in New Rochelle. Latimer maintains that he was referring to a fundraiser for Bowman organized by pro-Palestine activists sympathetic to Hamas, which the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative outlet, reported on days before the event occurred. Bowman’s campaign responded to the reported remarks by threatening Latimer with a defamation lawsuit.

In addition, when Latimer announced his candidacy in December, he defended himself against charges that he is backed by groups that target candidates of color by noting that he grew up in a predominantly Black part of the town of Mount Vernon, and went on to serve as head of the tenants association in a majority-Black apartment building. “I grew up as a white kid in a Black neighborhood, was I a racist?” Latimer asked in an interview with City & State.

In the same City & State interview, he also said that he would not be able to win against Bowman if New York’s unusual mid-decade redistricting had restored parts of the Bronx to New York’s 16th. Latimer’s detractors interpreted the back-to-back comments as evidence that while he would use his Black friends to defend against racism charges, he would be afraid of running in a seat with more Black voters, since a district with a greater share of the adjacent parts of the Bronx would effectively ensure that outcome.

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Finally, in a March 2021 Facebook post, Latimer likened the push for then-New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo to resign over sexual harassment allegations to the white lynch mob that murdered the Black teenager Emmett Till in 1955. He later edited the post to omit Till.

“It was a foolish reference,” he told HuffPost.

But of the various comments he’s made that have provoked controversy, Latimer otherwise stands by his words. He defended his decision to invoke his upbringing in a Black community, claiming it was not a superficial bid to curry favor with Black voters.

“If you look at me and see I’m white, you might make assumptions about who I am, what I am, what my exposure to the African American community is,” said Latimer, who now lives in the predominantly white coastal town of Rye. “‘He’s living up there in Rye, New York. What does he know?’ And I’m telling you, this is the world I live in.”

“I’m comfortable in my own skin dealing with African Americans as well as whites,” he added. “I do not have the mindset that, ‘Oh my God, I have to speak carefully, because I might offend,’ because I speak honestly and openly.”

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In a separate part of his interview with HuffPost, Latimer asked that people judge him on how he has served Black constituents: As county executive, he’s allocated $1 million for a pilot program to improve Black maternal health in Yonkers; upped funding neighborhood health centers in predominantly Black areas; and invested $40 million in the renovation of a sports complex in Mount Vernon. He also takes credit for lending a hand to aspiring Black politicians: by tapping Ken Jenkins to serve as his deputy after defeating him in the 2017 Democratic primary for county executive, and before that, by stepping aside in 2001 as chair of the Westchester County Board of Legislators, the main county governing body, so that the late Lois Bronz could become the board’s first Black chair.

“That’s what I’m offering,” Latimer said, referring to his accomplishments. “I’m not offering my demographic package versus somebody else’s demographic package.”
And indeed, what Latimer is offering is appealing to at least some prominent Black Westchester residents, including County Legislator Ben Boykin, Pastor Lamont Granby of First Baptist Church in Bronxville, and Bishop Troy DeCohen of Mount Vernon Heights Congregational Church — all of whom have relationships with Latimer that predate Bowman’s tenure in Congress and are now supporting Latimer’s congressional bid.

“He’s always been an aid to our community,” DeCohen told HuffPost. “He’s been a good county exec.”

‘Hamas Supporters’ Or ‘Hamas?’

When it comes to the incident at the Black History Month event in New Rochelle, the three parties involved — Latimer, the woman who confronted him, and A.J. Woodson, the editor-in-chief of Black Westchester, who witnessed the dustup — agree about everything that occurred except for the key detail of what Latimer actually said about Bowman’s donors.

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Latimer was walking around the event unaccompanied, and a woman, who has requested anonymity to ensure her personal safety, approached him to ask why he is running against Bowman. Latimer said that he believes that by being more pragmatic and discreet, he would deliver for the district more effectively than Bowman — an answer that the woman did not find satisfactory.

Then, the woman, who told HuffPost that she is a staunch progressive and would have been supporting Bowman regardless of how the interaction went, told Latimer that she considers his reliance on donations bundled by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee to be tantamount to “taking money from the devil.” (She told HuffPost she principally objects to what she sees as AIPAC’s targeting of candidates of color and use of large sums to intervene in Democratic primaries. AIPAC maintains that its electoral considerations are solely based on candidates’ support for Israel and notes that it has backed many candidates of color and sought to unseat several white elected officials.)

According to Latimer, he replied that if the woman took issue with his financial backers, she should know that Bowman had received donations from “Hamas supporters.” The Washington Free Beacon’s reporting that Bowman attended a fundraiser whose co-hosts included someone that condoned the Oct. 7 attack and another person affiliated with a group that declined to condemn it, has not been rebutted. (Bowman immediately condemned Hamas’s actions the day of the attack.)
“If you’re going to talk to me a certain kind of way, I’m not going to be a pin cushion,” Latimer said of his decision to argue with the voter.

Woodson, who was listening in, swears that he heard Latimer say that Bowman received money from Hamas. “He never said [supporters,] he said Hamas,” Woodson recalled. “That’s a pretty strong statement.”

The woman with whom Latimer spoke is less certain than Woodson about which words Latimer actually said. “I cannot remember his verbatim words,” she said. “But I know that A.J. Woodson was literally within a few feet, and a part of this conversation, so I defer to him for the exact wording.”

Regardless, the woman faults Latimer for immediately deflecting the criticism of AIPAC, and for citing a conservative news site to support his point.

“The goal is to try to draw a connection between Bowman and Hamas,” the woman said. “It is like a flashback to the Southern Strategy.”

A Deputy Defends Latimer

Jenkins, Latimer’s deputy, told HuffPost that Latimer’s pugnaciousness when speaking to prickly constituents has nothing to do with race. He is accustomed to seeing Latimer express frustration with any number of advocates or voters —including those griping about issues as mundane as the future of the county airport — who dictate complaints to elected officials rather than have constructive conversations.

“A lot of these things you’re talking about have the same consistent thread, which is, ‘We want to speak truth to power. We want to tell you what to do,’” said Jenkins, who shares Latimer’s exasperation with bad-faith complainers. “Why don’t you look at what we have done? We’re listening to you, otherwise we wouldn’t be here.”
Jenkins currently serves on New York’s Independent Redistricting Commission, where his fellow commissioners elected him chair. The commission proposed a new map of congressional district boundaries on Feb. 15 that surprised observers for its lack of changes, including to New York’s 16th.

HuffPost asked Jenkins whether his presence on the commission, as a Latimer ally, was not a conflict of interest on a panel whose decisions would affect Latimer — and indeed, whose latest map ultimately spared him from having more of the Bronx in his district. On the other hand, though, the proposed map also preserved the liberal communities along the Hudson River, where Bowman retains major support. (Once the commission’s work is officially over in the coming days, Jenkins plans to formally endorse Latimer.)

Jenkins responded by pointing out that the arrangement was legal. “Our attorneys did their due diligence and determined” that his service on the commission was not an illegal conflict of interest, he said.

Jenkins also noted that he cast just one of the votes for the map, which the 10-person, bipartisan commission adopted by a nine to one margin.

Even that part of Jenkins’ input will be limited. The map now heads to the Democrat-controlled state legislature for approval, where it is expected to be rejected following U.S. House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries’ (D-N.Y.) indignant reaction to it.

Jeffries, a Brooklynite, claimed the map violated the state constitution’s ban on partisan gerrymandering, though most observers believe he wants Democrats in the legislature to draw more favorable lines for Democrats. Since Jeffries’ speakership rides to a considerable extent on a strong showing in New York, he is likely to exercise considerable influence over the legislature’s redistricting process.

Of course, Latimer has a lot of shared history with Democrats in the state legislature as well, having served as a state Assembly member from 2004 to 2013, and in the state Senate from 2013 to 2017. His relationships there could spare him a boundary modification that would re-incorporate still more Black voters into his district.

Should Democratic lawmakers seek to make New York’s GOP-held 17th Congressional District to the North more Democratic, however, they might have no choice but to shift liberal parts of New York’s 16th into the 17th. That would almost certainly require them to bring more of the Bronx into New York’s 16th to backfill the population deficit, presenting the same conundrum for Latimer.

But Latimer’s detractors think he should simply get used to having to fight harder for Black votes.

“Democrats — white candidates and even Black candidates — they take it for granted that they’ve got the Black vote,” Woodson said. “Now you’re challenging the first African American to hold that position, the incumbent Democrat, and you’ve got these comments being thrown around.”

“Is this the real him all along?” he added. “Those questions are being asked by some voters — not all, by some voters.”
 

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In a separate part of his interview with HuffPost, Latimer asked that people judge him on how he has served Black constituents: As county executive, he’s allocated $1 million for a pilot program to improve Black maternal health in Yonkers; upped funding neighborhood health centers in predominantly Black areas; and invested $40 million in the renovation of a sports complex in Mount Vernon. He also takes credit for lending a hand to aspiring Black politicians: by tapping Ken Jenkins to serve as his deputy after defeating him in the 2017 Democratic primary for county executive, and before that, by stepping aside in 2001 as chair of the Westchester County Board of Legislators, the main county governing body, so that the late Lois Bronz could become the board’s first Black chair.

“That’s what I’m offering,” Latimer said, referring to his accomplishments. “I’m not offering my demographic package versus somebody else’s demographic package.”

And indeed, what Latimer is offering is appealing to at least some prominent Black Westchester residents, including County Legislator Ben Boykin, Pastor Lamont Granby of First Baptist Church in Bronxville, and Bishop Troy DeCohen of Mount Vernon Heights Congregational Church — all of whom have relationships with Latimer that predate Bowman’s tenure in Congress and are now supporting Latimer’s congressional bid.

“He’s always been an aid to our community,” DeCohen told HuffPost. “He’s been a good county exec.”
 

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In a separate part of his interview with HuffPost, Latimer asked that people judge him on how he has served Black constituents: As county executive, he’s allocated $1 million for a pilot program to improve Black maternal health in Yonkers; upped funding neighborhood health centers in predominantly Black areas; and invested $40 million in the renovation of a sports complex in Mount Vernon. He also takes credit for lending a hand to aspiring Black politicians: by tapping Ken Jenkins to serve as his deputy after defeating him in the 2017 Democratic primary for county executive, and before that, by stepping aside in 2001 as chair of the Westchester County Board of Legislators, the main county governing body, so that the late Lois Bronz could become the board’s first Black chair.

“That’s what I’m offering,” Latimer said, referring to his accomplishments. “I’m not offering my demographic package versus somebody else’s demographic package.”

And indeed, what Latimer is offering is appealing to at least some prominent Black Westchester residents, including County Legislator Ben Boykin, Pastor Lamont Granby of First Baptist Church in Bronxville, and Bishop Troy DeCohen of Mount Vernon Heights Congregational Church — all of whom have relationships with Latimer that predate Bowman’s tenure in Congress and are now supporting Latimer’s congressional bid.

“He’s always been an aid to our community,” DeCohen told HuffPost. “He’s been a good county exec.”

I think any white man who has been in office for three decades could point to some crumbs that have trickled down.
 

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And who spent the money is probably more important than the amount. So he was doubly fucked.

Disagree. Most people who saw/heard/read their ads don’t know that “the United Democracy Project” is a front for AIPAC and most don’t even know what AIPAC is. And their ads did not talk about Israel or Gaza. This was just about an overwhelming sum of money.
 

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Disagree. Most people who saw/heard/read their ads don’t know that “the United Democracy Project” is a front for AIPAC and most don’t even know what AIPAC is. And their ads did not talk about Israel or Gaza. This was just about an overwhelming sum of money.
Not sure what i said that could be remotely disagreeable. Further, whether or not most people know who AIPAC is is immaterial. Their resources and, agenda, influence matter. And only compounded Bowmans issues.

Spending and spending power are invaluable tools in elections.. Power and influence are as well. Seabrooks was outspent by a similar margin and she managed to win.
 

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Not sure what i said that could be remotely disagreeable. Further, whether or not most people know who AIPAC is is immaterial. Their resources and, agenda, influence matter. And only compounded Bowmans issues.

To make it plain, your post came off like Jewish money is more powerful than other money.

At the end of the day, $20 million is very powerful regardless of who spends it especially when, to reiterate my point, the public doesn’t understand where the money is coming from.



Spending and spending power are invaluable tools in elections.. Power and influence are as well. Seabrooks was outspent by a similar margin and she managed to win.

There is a big difference between spending in a statewide election vs a congressional district. AIPAC blanketed the airwaves in a way that Trone did not. And the underdog wins sometimes— AIPAC has lost races. But exceptions don’t disprove the rule and all this money corrupts the process and makes the monied candidates much more likely to win.
 

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To make it plain, your post came off like Jewish money is more powerful than other money.

At the end of the day, $20 million is very powerful regardless of who spends it especially when, to reiterate my point, the public doesn’t understand where the money is coming from.





There is a big difference between spending in a statewide election vs a congressional district. AIPAC blanketed the airwaves in a way that Trone did not. And the underdog wins sometimes— AIPAC has lost races. But exceptions don’t disprove the rule and all this money corrupts the process and makes the monied candidates much more likely to win.


"Way back in January, well before AIPAC even spent a dime, the Latimer campaign had internal polls showing him up 10 points over the incumbent: That’s a massive lead for a non-incumbent, which testifies to Bowman’s weaknesses. Latimer later won by 17 points. What really made the difference in the race were Jewish voters themselves: people who live in the district, some of whom voted for Bowman previously, some of whom did not—the majority of whom could not stomach his rhetoric around the war in Gaza, exacerbated by an indifference bordering on hostility to their fears and feedback."

"There are about 130,000 Jews in Westchester, representing 9 percent of the population, who typically account for 20 percent of the vote. This year they reached 24 percent, with more than 50 percent of the mail-in vote coming from likely Jewish constituents, thanks in large part to a GOTV operation called Westchester Unites. Westchester Unites identified a universe of 27,000 likely Jewish Democrats, focusing on those who had voted in one of the last four primaries, casual voters rather than prime voters. It then ran an aggressive organizing campaign to turn out a staggering 15,000 Jewish voters, among them approximately 2,000 Republicans and Independents whom it re-registered as Democrats—an underhanded and ultimately unnecessary move given Latimer’s margin of victory. However, as a 501(c)(3), Westchester Unites was expressly forbidden from pushing a candidate. It canvassed, phone banked, and sent mailers full of information about how to vote without any mention of a candidate, and organized throughout the 40 Jewish institutions in the district, across religious denominations. Its main message was “antisemitism is on the ballot,” betting that Jews would do their own research and find Bowman’s words and actions sufficiently motivating."

"By framing the race as a proxy battle with the “Zionist regime we call AIPAC,” Bowman ended up treating Jewish voters in the district as if they themselves were foreign to it, as opposed to people with legitimate concerns about his representation of their concerns. As one Jewish, J-Street-aligned former Bowman supporter put it in a recent HuffPost story: “He created alliances that shouldn’t be created. I shouldn’t be allying with an AIPAC candidate.” Things veered into hypocrisy when Bowman rallied outsideof the district with Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez—arguing that right-wing billionaires were trying to buy the district, when only 10 percent of his own contributions came from within."

Bowman did this shit to himself. Big money spending can move a race a few points - not 17.

The far left does this every time they lose. They're just like Trump in that regard. They have never lost. It has always been rigged.

Bernie? Rigged
Nina Turner? Rigged
Bowman Rigged

Instead of doing some self reflection.

Bowman spent months cosplaying as a Palestinian protester with his friends online. Then when the election came, he realized Gaza ain't in his district. Palestine ain't in his district. And there aren't a lot of Arabs or Muslims in his district. but there were a shit ton of Jews in his district.

It's like a white politician trying to win an election in Harlem after spending months aligning himself with All Live Matter.
 

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Bowman did this shit to himself. Big money spending can move a race a few points - not 17.

So AIPAC spent all that money for fun. Either that or they’re idiots who don’t understand money in politics as well as Big Tex. :rolleyes:
 

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Bowman heard Tlaib and Omar talkign about "From the river to the sea" and thought he would join in too. But Omar and Tlaib have a lot of muslims and Arabs in their districts.

You know who did not join in with all that "From the river to the sea" and hard line pro Palestinian talk? Sandy.

AOC talked about ending genocide. And not funding it. That's about where she drew the line. AIPAC spent money against her. And she won with 80% of the vote.

So why didn't the all mighty AIPAC money get her booted out?

Because she's actually a smart politician. She was able to make her point without offending her constituents. So when they heard the AIPAC ads, they ignored them because they already had a favorable view of her.
 

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So AIPAC spent all that money for fun. Either that or they’re idiots who don’t understand money in politics as well as Big Tex. :rolleyes:
So why didn't the AIPAC money beat AOC? They spent in her race too.

I'll await your explanation.
 

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So AIPAC spent all that money for fun. Either that or they’re idiots who don’t understand money in politics as well as Big Tex. :rolleyes:
Also WHY WAS BOWMAN ALREADY DOWN 10 POINTS BEFORE AIPAC SPENT ONE DIME?

Please answer that.
 

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The far left does this every time they lose. They're just like Trump in that regard. They have never lost. It has always been rigged.

Bernie? Rigged
Nina Turner? Rigged
Bowman Rigged

Instead of doing some self reflection.

Your strawman is a lie. The left has never pushed the sort of conspiracy theories Trump does.

We’re pointing out influence. We’re not claiming election fraud.

Anyone on here who hates Trump should be disgusted with conservative Democrats like Big Tex who push lies that help by right by pushing this false equivalence with the left.

Guess what? Bowman made mistakes. I understand that. But I’m discussing the factor that is much more important moving forward.
 

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Also WHY WAS BOWMAN ALREADY DOWN 10 POINTS BEFORE AIPAC SPENT ONE DIME?

Please answer that.

I easily could address that but I insist you respond to my one clear question, which you completely skipped past, first. And then maybe I’ll have some more insight for you in the afternoon.
 

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"Between the lines: "What AIPAC is doing here is they see a vulnerable member they don't like on their issue and they go after them," said a House Democrat.

  • The lawmaker added: "Whatever you think of [AIPAC], they're pretty intelligent. They've got some skin in this in the sense that if Bowman wins, that's egg on their face. They're very strategic."
  • "When that group saw an opportunity to make a point against someone they think is vulnerable, it doesn't surprise me. The number is pretty staggering," said another House Democrat.
Yes, but: Several House Democrats argued to Axios that Bowman's personal liabilities were a far greater issue for him than AIPAC's spending.

  • "Every situation is unique, this one is particularly unique," said pro-Israel Rep. Brad Schneider (D-Ill.), saying Bowman "went out of his way to punch, to kick, to offend."
  • "I know there's a large Jewish population in his district ... people want someone that reflects well on their community," Schneider added.
  • Said another Democrat more bluntly: "AIPAC didn't pull a fire alarm. AIPAC didn't speculate about 9/11."
But as I say after every election the far left loses...

KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING :lol:

Keep blaming the voters for being so dumb they let money tell them how to vote. I assume you think Republicans can turn all the blue states red just by spending and Trump can win all 50 states.

Don't ever, ever start looking at your candidates and taking some responsibility.

Just keep yelling RIGGED and STOLEN. andkeep getting what you're getting.
 
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Your strawman is a lie. The left has never pushed the sort of conspiracy theories Trump does.

We’re pointing out influence. We’re not claiming election fraud.

Anyone on here who hates Trump should be disgusted with conservative Democrats like Big Tex who push lies that help by right by pushing this false equivalence with the left.

Guess what? Bowman made mistakes. I understand that. But I’m discussing the factor that is much more important moving forward.




 

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I easily could address that but I insist you respond to my one clear question, which you completely skipped past, first. And then maybe I’ll have some more insight for you in the afternoon.

They saw a weak candidate already losing and decided to pile on. Now easily address whether Republicans can flip every district in NY State red and flip the state to vote for Trump just by spending, because you're claiming that money is what bought this seat.
 
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Your strawman is a lie. The left has never pushed the sort of conspiracy theories Trump does.

We’re pointing out influence. We’re not claiming election fraud.

Anyone on here who hates Trump should be disgusted with conservative Democrats like Big Tex who push lies that help by right by pushing this false equivalence with the left.

Guess what? Bowman made mistakes. I understand that. But I’m discussing the factor that is much more important moving forward.

It's not a lie to suggest if you live in a district with a large Jewish population, that you probably shouldn't come out as anti jew if you want them to vote for you. Now, YOU may nbot think he was anti Jew, but THEY thought he was anti Jew and they had no obligation to vote for him.

You're the one claiming the AIPAC money bought that seat. To do that, you'll need to show polls showing Bowman winning before the AIPAC money, they show him losing after they started spending.

So make you claim and post them polls

And "you think they were spending that money for fun" is not proof. We need actual polling and data. So prove your point of stfu.
 

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They saw a weak candidate already losing and decided to pile on.

So you know so much but you aren’t able to answer that very simple question.

This exchange isn’t worth my time if you’re not interested in an actual discussion.
 

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Better yet Dems could just go outspend Republicans in Texas and Florida and turn those states completely blue and uber progressive right @Costanza
 

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So you know so much but you aren’t able to answer that very simple question.

This exchange isn’t worth my time if you’re not interested in an actual discussion.
What question are you talking about?

You started it by making accusations, then you get all sassy when someone presses you to produce facts.

Show the polls showing the affect of the money on the polling. Show polls that show Bowman would have won without AIPAC spending.
 
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To make it plain, your post came off like Jewish money is more powerful than other money.
No idiot. I clearly stated that the money as well as their influence and power compounded matters. I swear you argue just for the sake of being disagreeable most days. I literally made the distinction between the two TWICE and noted how both were independent hurdles that proved too high to overcome.

And yes they can blanket airwaves... and not "just" because of the money. Its also because they largely fucking control industry and entertainment which provide placements for ads you dumb muthafucka.
 

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So you know so much but you aren’t able to answer that very simple question.

This exchange isn’t worth my time if you’re not interested in an actual discussion.
Oh, and whatever question you're trying to hide behind, I don't knwo the answer, I was wrong, whatever you want the response to be.

NOWWWW


Answer my questions and post them polls plehboi.
 

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No idiot. I clearly stated that the money as well as their influence and power compounded matters. I swear you argue just for the sake of being disagreeable most days. I literally made the distinction between the two TWICE and noted how both were independent hurdles that proved too high to overcome.

And yes they can blanket airwaves... and not "just" because of the money. Its also because they largely fucking control industry and entertainment which provide placements for ads you dumb muthafucka.

Man, you need to stop with the insults.

I have read a lot about this and I have never seen anyone assert AIPAC gets favorable ad rates or placement.

So if you know something everyone else doesn’t, you should write a fucking op-ed and inform the world. I think it is anti-Jew conspiratorial nonsense.
 
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