AIDS Vaccine Fails; Virus Infects Volunteers

Well.. It wasnt a complete failure only 2.8 - 3.2% of the people got the HIV.. It just sucks if you fall in that category...

I wonder if it worked for the other people..



the us has highest population of prisoners in the world... We should use them for medical research experiments...
 
I dont see why there is an uproar in this thread.

Every major vaccination has been tried and tested on human guinea pigs.

Many have died from having adverse reaction from these vaccinations, especially polio and small pox during the testing phases.

When the volunteers sign those participant forms, theyre basically donating their bodies to science.

Without these people, you niggas would have super TB with a side of measles right now.

propz to these people who take the ultimate risk throughout time.
 
I realize that the recruits were already exposing themselves through their high risk environments/lifestyles, but all vaccines have some semblance of the virus (weakened or supposedly killed), so that is suspect IMO. Merck is a drug company, we all know how shady they are. The whole situation stinks and they used people as guinea pigs. Crackers would rather make sure that dogs and cats are protected, fuck the people.

Exactly. And the negligible difference between the percentage of infection of those in vaccinated group versus the un-vaccinated group indicates that those given the vaccine had neither a greater or lesser risk of infection than those given the placebo.
 
We've had this discussion on the board before, but there was ample evidence that the HIV virus did not cause aids. Dunno if that is why these "vaccines" failed. There seems to be more to this disease than a single cause.

Also, if this is like the Herpes virus, you can never fully eliminate it. Perhaps that is the problem.

OR
 
Let me get this right, you have to be HIV free to get that shit tested on you? What happened to gettin someone who already have HIV to get tested.

Maybe it's something i'm missing here.


Co-signed, just what I am thinking too. It's not adding up to logic.
 
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so are the people who volunteered for trial vaccinations for polio and small pox fools too?????
nope just the ones who volunteered for that hiv shit

lets see creating a vaccine for a virus that is constantly mutating - for right now slide that shit over there next to turning tin to gold
 
We've had this discussion on the board before, but there was ample evidence that the HIV virus did not cause aids. Dunno if that is why these "vaccines" failed. There seems to be more to this disease than a single cause.

Also, if this is like the Herpes virus, you can never fully eliminate it. Perhaps that is the problem.

OR
what ample evidence is that? go fuck a chick who's HIV positive if you think you won't get AIDS and die horribly or be strung out on medication the rest of your life.
 
Co-signed, just what I am thinking too. It's not adding up to logic.
you aren't adding up to biology :hmm:

Vaccines are used to PREVENT infection by introducing weakened/dead virus to the body, the immune system then creates antibodies for that weakened/dead virus which will destroy any matching virus that they come into contact with.

Basically you can get a working vaccine for HIV1-group M- subtype B and still get infected by HIV-1-groupM subtype A or any other fuckin variation- then there are mutations that go along with that. Might as well shoot up a lottery ticket and see if it works.

The problem with HIV and vaccines are

*there are different serotypes, groups and subtypes
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http://www.avert.org/hivtypes.htm

What are the implications for an AIDS vaccine?

The development of an AIDS vaccine is affected by the range of virus subtypes as well as by the wide variety of human populations who need protection and who differ, for example, in their genetic make-up and their routes of exposure to HIV. In particular, the occurrence of superinfection indicates that an immune response triggered by a vaccine to prevent infection by one strain of HIV may not protect against all other strains. The effectiveness of a vaccine is likely to vary in different populations unless some innovative method is developed which guards against many virus strains.

Inevitably, different types of candidate vaccines will have to be tested against various viral strains in multiple vaccine trials, conducted in both high-income and developing countries.


Anyone fucking with HIV vaccines is fuckin with romperroom science right now unless theyre at Fort Detrick where that shit was most likely made.
 
nope just the ones who volunteered for that hiv shit

lets see creating a vaccine for a virus that is constantly mutating - for right now slide that shit over there next to turning tin to gold

I strongly disagree

the same was said about small pox in the 19th century

and smallpox was deadlier than HIV

that shit killed around 200 million people or more

yet people volunteered to be vaccinated to stop that shit

and theyre doing the same with this HIV bullshit

we need people like this......period

without these human guinea pigs, half of these niggas would be walking around with some hybrid shit called Polioburculous

fuck that
 
I think people are reading this wrong. They are not saying the vaccine gave people AIDS, they are saying, it didn't work and people caught AIDS anyway.
 
I strongly disagree

the same was said about small pox in the 19th century

and smallpox was deadlier than HIV

that shit killed around 200 million people or more

yet people volunteered to be vaccinated to stop that shit

and theyre doing the same with this HIV bullshit

we need people like this......period

without these human guinea pigs, half of these niggas would be walking around with some hybrid shit called Polioburculous

fuck that
I realize the value of people who participate in medical study but do you realize how fuckin nuts an hiv vaccine sounds? HIV seeks out and infiltrates T-Cells, the exact mode of defense vaccines use.

Fuck a vaccine- try gene therapy to replicate the NATURAL IMMUNITY some white people have to HIV-1
Only white people have CCR5
"CCR5 is a seven trans-membrane spanning protein of 332 amino acids that inserts into the cell membranes of human CD4+ T helper cells. HIV particles use CCR5 to gain entry into CD4+ T cells."

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and I dont even know if that will solve HIV in africa since that is HIV-2 and Im not sure if HIV-2 even hits chemokine receptor 5 to infect cells.
 
HIV is a landlord bomb.

http://microbiology.suite101.com/article.cfm/hiv_protection


HIV Protection
CCR5 Chemokine Receptor Mutation

© Judy Arbique

Nov 18, 2006
HIV virions on surface of lymphocytes, CDC/ C. Goldsmith, P. Feorino, E. L. Palmer, W. R.
A mutation in the CCR5 chemokine receptor gene has been discovered that provides protection against infection by HIV-1, the most common strain in North America.

HIV belongs to a family of viruses known as retroviruses (Retroviridae). Retroviruses contain an inner portion or core that consists of two identical strands of RNA and three enzymes not found in human cells that are essential for the virus to replicate. Each strand of RNA has a molecule of reverse transcriptase attached to it. Two other enzymes necessary for viral replication are also included in the viral core - protease and integrase. The core is enclosed in a protein coat known as the capsid, which is further covered or enveloped in a double layer of lipid molecules acquired from the cell membrane of the infected host cell.

Replication of HIV and other retroviruses involves a series of steps or processes:

* Binding: attachment to the host cell
* Fusion: viral envelope becomes “one” with the host cell membrane so that the contents of the viral core can enter the host cell cytoplasm
* Reverse transcription: production of a DNA copy of viral RNA. Human genes are composed of DNA, which is transcribed into RNA and then translated into protein; whereas, the retroviral genes are composed of RNA, which is then transcribed into DNA (opposite direction of human genes = reverse transcription)
* Integration: incorporation of the viral RNA strand and the newly synthesized DNA strand (hybrid molecule) into the host cell DNA
* Provirus synthesis: host cell recognizes DNA/RNA hybrid, and produces (synthesizes) a DNA strand to replace the RNA strand resulting in a double-stranded DNA copy of the original viral RNA or provirus
* Integration: incorporation of the DNA provirus into the nuclear DNA that makes up the chromosomes of the host cell
* Viral transcription: transcription of messenger RNA (mRNA) by the integrated provirus
* Viral protein synthesis: production of new viral proteins by mRNA that was transcribed by the integrated provirus
* Protein cleavage: process whereby the protease enzyme contained in the viral core cuts proteins synthesized by mRNA into functional units
* Viral assembly: assembly of cleaved proteins into new viral particles capable of infecting new cells
* Budding: process during which the newly assembled viral particle is released through the host cell membrane

In order to infect host cells, HIV must first bind to a receptor on the cell surface - a CD4 antigen found on helper T-cells, monocyte/macrophages and some other types of body cells (dendritic cells and glial cells). The depletion of normally functioning CD4 cells eventually leads to immune deficiency. In addition to CD4, a co-receptor is also necessary for HIV entry into the host cell – this co-receptor, CCR5, is one of a group of chemical messengers known as chemokines. A protein, glycoprotein 120, on the surface of the HIV particle binds specifically to CD4 and the co-receptor forming a complex that functions as a key allowing the viral envelope to join with the host cell membrane and the virus to enter the host cell.

An allele mutation has been identified that provides resistance against HIV-1 by blocking attachment to the chemokine receptor so that the virus cannot gain entry. The mutation consists of a 32 nucleic acid deletion that prevents expression of the receptor on the cell surface. In the homozygous state, the mutation provides almost complete resistance, and in the heterozygous state partial resistance is provided with slower disease progress.

The CCR5-Delta32 deletion mutation has been found with a high frequency in European populations, but has not been found in African, Asian, Middle Eastern and American Indian populations. The frequency of the resistance allele is estimated at approximately 10% in European populations.
Scientific controversy exists over the reason(s) for the origin of the mutation and the high frequency in European populations. The absence of the resistance allele in populations outside Europe suggests that it has a recent origin.

Selective pressure arising from the Black Death and Great Plague pandemics in Europe (bubonic plague) has been suggested as a reason for the mutation and its high frequency in the European population, with the CCR5 mutation providing protection against Yersinia pestis, the bacterium responsible for plague. Although this hypothesis is gaining widespread acceptance, the smallpox virus (Variola major) has also been suggested as a likely candidate for providing the selective pressure that resulted in the CCR5 mutation. Galvani and Slatkin suggest that ongoing smallpox epidemics in the last 700 years in Europe represent a weaker, but more continuous selection for the CCR5 mutation that provides protection against HIV infection as well as smallpox. Galvani and Slatkin support their hypothesis by pointing out that HIV and pox viruses both infect leukocytes resulting in dysfunction of cellular immunity, and gain entry to leukocytes by using chemokine receptors; whereas, the clinical characteristics of HIV and Yersinia pestis are quite distinct.

Despite the disagreement concerning the origin of the mutation that confers protection against HIV infection, there is general agreement that the discovery has promise in the treatment of HIV. By interfering with the expression of the chemokine receptor necessary for HIV-1 cell attachment, scientists may be able to prevent the virus from invading new cells in those already infected.
Sources:

Galvani AP, M Slatkin. Evaluating plague and smallpox as historical selective pressures for the CCR5-delta 32 HIV-resistance allele. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA. 2003;100(25):15276-15279.

Galvani AP, J Novembre. The evolutionary history of the CCR5-Delta32 HIV-resistance mutation. Microbes Infect. 2005;7(2):302-9.

Sabeti PC, E Walsh, SF Schaffner, P Varilly, B Fry, HB Hutcheson, M Cullen, TS Mikkelsen, J Roy, N Patterson, R Cooper, D Reich, D Altshuler, S O'Brien, ES Lander. PLoS Biol. 2005;3(11):e378.
 
They were on some Dr.Isaacs shit. They givin' niggas that Resident Evil. Looks like we might have a real life Umbrella Corp. on our hands gentlemen...
 
I think people are reading this wrong. They are not saying the vaccine gave people AIDS, they are saying, it didn't work and people caught AIDS anyway.


Yeah. I was wondering what all this hyperbole was based on. I almost started believing it myself. The study was based on the correlation of the drugs effectiveness which wasnt shown.

Even if they had contracted HIV "from the researchers" being that they were at risk anyway...it would be difficult -though not impossible- to determine if it was not user end/cross contamination.
 
I hope all you guys talking shit about the medical establishment don't ever need a doctor or treatment. People really need to quit this conspiracy bullshit. This study sounds like it was done responsibly. I'd be willing to wager the infection rate were on par with infection rates for this at-risk-population. They were sex-workers, iv drug users etc. I'm glad companies are still trying to get a damn vaccine for this disease.
 
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so are the people who volunteered for trial vaccinations for polio and small pox fools too?????

Yes.

I'm glad somebody did that shit, but I sure as hell wouldn't do it or let anybody in my life do that shit.

I hope all you guys talking shit about the medical establishment don't ever need a doctor or treatment. People really need to quit this conspiracy bullshit. This study sounds like it was done responsibly. I'd be willing to wager the infection rate were on par with infection rates for this at-risk-population. They were sex-workers, iv drug users etc. I'm glad companies are still trying to get a damn vaccine for this disease.

Have you ever heard of Tuskegee?

Hell, AIDS itself has been theorized to have been triggered by a smallpox vaccine.

They call it "practicing" medicine for a reason.
 
I don't even get flu shots, so how in the fuck do you slip up in the seat and roll your sleeve up for this one? I'll bet $3.10 these all white people. LOL!

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Not really understanding the need for a placebo in this instance. a placebo is the equivalent of a sugar pill for lack of a better term. right? Then why administer it at all? Can someone explain that one to me?
 
this title is misleading. the virus didn't infect volunteers. the volunteers continued their behavior and caught HIV independently. at least according to what this article conveyed to me. dissenters?
 
:lol: People keep falling for the trickology that Western medicine
provides.


Funny how you here the word Vaccine thrown around
instead of cure....hmmmm $$$$$$$$$
 
Did i miss something where in the article did it say the vaccine infected people?

i thought it said that it did no prevent infections, i wonder if anyone else read the artical before commenting.
 
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