Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wrong?

[kefta]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

You can't re-define racism to your benefit. If you don't like a race in general you are racist, period. You can't re-define it to your liking so you can't be called a racist. Forget whites, I know Asians & Indians that will never like a black man no matter what, that's beyond prejudice, that's racism. If you're racist be that shit, don't try to hide from it by creating a different definition of it.​

Its not just about "liking" or "hating". It is about constructing a reality that people out of your group as a "race" are forced to submit too and eventually accept. Its about defining and controlling another group's reality just because they are not of your "race". Its about total control.

 

[Alaskanredman]

You can't re-define racism to your benefit. If you don't like a race in general you are racist, period. You can't re-define it to your liking so you can't be called a racist. Forget whites, I know Asians & Indians that will never like a black man no matter what, that's beyond prejudice, that's racism. If you're racist be that shit, don't try to hide from it by creating a different definition of it.​

Please look up the definition of racism. Not liking a race and thinking your race is the superior race are two different things. Also I will suggest that white supremacy is also at play in these cases, because I have not met any Asian, Black, Native American or whatever who has had that hate for us based on their superiority without yeilding to white supremacy also. Your experience might be different, but that is how I've seen it.

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[Theo_Huxtable]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Please look up the definition of racism. Not liking a race and thinking your race is the superior race are two different things. Also I will suggest that white supremacy is also at play in these cases, because I have not met any Asian, Black, Native American or whatever who has had that hate for us based on their superiority without yeilding to white supremacy also. Your experience might be different, but that is how I've seen it.

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rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm]
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

You want it to be ONE way, but it's not. Racism isn't just about having a power advantage, you can be poor white trash and racist. A lot of white racist are just that, and they hate the government and authority thinking they're all against them as well with no significant power through the system...still makes them racist.​

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm]
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

You want it to be ONE way, but it's not. Racism isn't just about having a power advantage, you can be poor white trash and racist. A lot of white racist are just that, and they hate the government and authority thinking they're all against them as well with no significant power through the system...still makes them racist.​

Racism is not a belief.

 

[Theo_Huxtable]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Racism is not a belief.

The Neo-Nazi's look at it as a belief, almost like religion, and they pass those beliefs down to their children. So what are you talking about...? Racism isn't one particular way. It's a belief, it's a hatred, it's a superiority complex...you can't try to break it down to one specific thing.​

 

[mike123]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

You can't re-define racism to your benefit. If you don't like a race in general you are racist, period. You can't re-define it to your liking so you can't be called a racist. Forget whites, I know Asians & Indians that will never like a black man no matter what, that's beyond prejudice, that's racism. If you're racist be that shit, don't try to hide from it by creating a different definition of it.​

ur post are no more logically and no less emotionally then the 2 trolls



fuck it
u cacs and idiots win
racism is whatever the fuck u guys feel it is at the mom


dont know whats got all the cacs an idiots all riled up but i'm done

 

[Theo_Huxtable]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

ur post are no more logically and no less emotionally then the 2 trolls



fuck it
u cacs and idiots win
racism is whatever the fuck u guys feel it is at the mom


dont know whats got all the cacs an idiots all riled up but i'm done

Riled up, I'm not the one getting emotional or calling people idiots, I'm good. Just pointing out some facts, not opinions.


Like I said, if you're racist...be that, just don't try to act like there's only one way to be racist.​

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

The Neo-Nazi's look at it as a belief, almost like religion, and they pass those beliefs down to their children. So what are you talking about...? Racism isn't one particular way. It's a belief, it's a hatred, it's a superiority complex...you can't try to break it down to one specific thing.​

Prejudice is a belief.


Racism is NOT a belief.

 

[Alaskanredman]

rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm]
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

You want it to be ONE way, but it's not. Racism isn't just about having a power advantage, you can be poor white trash and racist. A lot of white racist are just that, and they hate the government and authority thinking they're all against them as well with no significant power through the system...still makes them racist.​

No because that poor white trash can hate the government, have a criminal record and a GED, but still be able to compete with a black college graduate in getting a job. I'm on my phone but google a 2005 Princeton study about hiring felons. That is power. That is white supremacy. We are all under that system and a lot of non-white races are playing along hoping that they can sit next to white people in the white supremacist ranking.

Also you have to assess the application of any ism to validate the full scope of the belief system. Which is why I was clear in my post about the superiority element of racism and why we keep coming back to how racism is applied. In your rebuttal you used how some Asians have hatred towards black people and I proposed the notion that Asians aren't holding that hatred with a belief of Asian superiority. The ones I've run across see whites as the superior race much like self hating Coons who have no problem attacking other races outside of white and black people... and that is white supremacy.

Why do white people use these proxies like Allen West to spread their racist message? To have cover against being called racist.

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[sharkbait28]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

A lot of confusion here.

Race is a word and concept that was literally invented by "white" people. This isn't really debatable or open to discussion. When talking about "racism" it's important to grasp a simple idea ..... the concept of "racial classification" wherein people of varying backgrounds, ethnicities, and origins were grouped together on the basis of skin color and boxed into a "non-white" category is a white (Western) innovation. It was this system of classification that provided the subtext and rationale for colonialism (and it's ensuing "civilizing" mission), the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and the "peculiar institution" of chattel slavery in America.

This system of "racial" classification persists to this very day and continues to undergird the systemic and institutional racism that informs so much of the American experience (though it's by no means limited to the United States).

Ethnic hatred, prejudice, bigotry, slavery and general human wickedness are certainly not unique to "white" people or the Western world more generally. That's simply a human thing. But this notion of racial classification and institutionalized mistreatment of human beings on the basis of skin color is.

This notion that wholly disparate peoples are the "same" by virtue of the hue of their skin is a bizarre Western idea. A person who has known themselves as Ghanaian their whole lives will be told no... you are "black". It's a bizarre concept that has no real meaningful corollary anywhere else. Again.... bigotry, prejudice, hate and evil are not uniquely "white"... that's a crazy suggestion to make but the reality is that "racism" is a unique Western invention.

 

[oolong tea]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Prejudice is a belief.


Racism is NOT a belief.

Thank you. Please tell your debater that our racist society at least one people have to cope with coerced dependence. Besides, said South Africa and Zimbabwe, where are whites oppressed due to racism?

It's like a rape victim arguing with a rapist, both are involved but one of them never quite gets the concept.

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Sociologist and former American Sociological Association president Joe Feagin argues that the United States can be characterized as a "total racist society" because racism is used to organize every social institution (Feagin 2000, p. 16).

More recently, Feagin has articulated a comprehensive theory of racial oppression in the U.S. in his book
Systemic Racism: A Theory of Oppression (Routledge, 2006).

Feagin examines how major institutions have been built upon racial oppression which was not an accident of history, but was created intentionally by white Americans.

In Feagin's view, white Americans labored hard to create a system of racial oppression in the 17th century and have worked diligently to maintain the system ever since.

While Feagin acknowledges that changes have occurred in this racist system over the centuries, he contends that key and fundamental elements have been reproduced over nearly four centuries, and that U.S. institutions today reflect the racialized hierarchy created in the 17th century.

Today, as in the past, racial oppression is not just a surface-level feature of this society, but rather pervades, permeates, and interconnects all major social groups, networks, and institutions across the society.

Feagin's definition stands in sharp contrast to psychological definitions that assume racism is an "attitude" or an irrational form of bigotry that exists apart from the organization of social structure.

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Racism is practiced in India via their caste system,it is also practiced in the Congo against the Pygmy peoples and again it is practiced by the Indonesians against those from Papua New Guinea.

So no it is not only a white only disease.

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Racism is practiced in India via their caste system,it is also practiced in the Congo against the Pygmy peoples and again it is practiced by the Indonesians against those from Papua New Guinea.

So no it is not only a white only disease.

Appreciate you answering these questions:


1. How many races are there in total?

2. How many races are there in India?

3. How many races are there in the Congo?

4. How many races are there in Indonesia?

 

[Alaskanredman]

Racism is practiced in India via their caste system,it is also practiced in the Congo against the Pygmy peoples and again it is practiced by the Indonesians against those from Papua New Guinea.

So no it is not only a white only disease.

Main Entry:

rac·ism

Pronunciation: \rā-si-zm also -shi-\Function: noun Date: 1933 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Main Entry: 3

race

Function: noun Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza Date: 1580

a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group

b : BREED

c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

Main Entry: 2

ethnic

Function: noun Date: 1941 :

a member of an ethnic group; especially : a member of a minority group who retains the customs, language, or social views of the group


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[DaAssWatcher]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Thank you. Please tell your debater that our racist society at least one people have to cope with coerced dependence. Besides, said South Africa and Zimbabwe, where are whites oppressed due to racism?

It's like a rape victim arguing with a rapist, both are involved but one of them never quite gets the concept.

Whites aren't oppressed in neither of those countries.Their colonial standard of living for some of them was just lost thats all.When in South Africa tha economy and tha land is still in tha hands of said whites in 2012 I wouldn't call that oppression.Tha poor whites are those non educated ones that were given jobs based on them being white and nothing else.These jobs were mainly managerial positions and now that they were replaced by Africans with education they refuse to work any job were they have to answer to an African so they remain as they are.
And all tha Zimbabweans did was take back what was stolen from them but still that doesn't fall under oppression.Oppression would be what happened to tha natives during tha colonial periods.

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Appreciate you answering these questions:


1. How many races are there in total?

2. How many races are there in India?

3. How many races are there in the Congo?

4. How many races are there in Indonesia?

More than one according to the propagators and the victims.
Furthermore the genetic difference between the Pygmies and those persecuting them in the Conga is probably greater than that of you and any European.

If you are identified by a separate group and persecuted the same way, how is their suffering diminished because you don't classify them as a separate race?

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Main Entry:

rac·ism

Pronunciation: \rā-si-zm also -shi-\Function: noun Date: 1933 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Main Entry: 3

race

Function: noun Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza Date: 1580

a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group

b : BREED

c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

Main Entry: 2

ethnic

Function: noun Date: 1941 :

a member of an ethnic group; especially : a member of a minority group who retains the customs, language, or social views of the group


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This supports my stance.

 

[Alaskanredman]

If you are identified by a separate group and persecuted the same way, how is their suffering diminished because you don't classify them as a separate race?

It isn't diminished. It just isn't racism.



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[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

It isn't diminished. It just isn't racism.



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Look at the definition you posted of what defines a race.
Then you'll see that it qualifies.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Look at the definition you posted of what defines a race.
Then you'll see that it qualifies.

Alright my man... I read the definition and I'm trying to see what you see, but you might as well say the Bloods are racist towards the Crips imo.

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[kefta]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Racism is practiced in India via their caste system,it is also practiced in the Congo against the Pygmy peoples and again it is practiced by the Indonesians against those from Papua New Guinea.

So no it is not only a white only disease.

Wrong. I am writing a thesis on the BATWA or the Abayanda as they like calling themselves. And Sir, the Bakiga or Bafumbira don't view that as a "race" of people. Yes, they are marginalized and most importantly because of the white people that have supported biodiversity conservation than people (indigenous rights). Their marginalization is not based on race. Pls, don't get me started. I have mad info on these people and I also made a field research on their current situation. It has nothing to do with "racism".

Soon you are also going to start saying that the Hutus are racist towards the Tutsis and according to racist/white supremacist propaganda, they are both racist towards the Abayanda.

And Sir, the word Pygmy is a deragotory white constructed term. Pls, refer to them as the Batwa or Abayanda.

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Racism is practiced in India via their caste system,it is also practiced in the Congo against the Pygmy peoples and again it is practiced by the Indonesians against those from Papua New Guinea.

So no it is not only a white only disease.

Appreciate you answering these questions:


1. How many races are there in total?

2. How many races are there in India?

3. How many races are there in the Congo?

4. How many races are there in Indonesia?

More than one according to the propagators and the victims.
Furthermore the genetic difference between the Pygmies and those persecuting them in the Conga is probably greater than that of you and any European.

If you are identified by a separate group and persecuted the same way, how is their suffering diminished because you don't classify them as a separate race?

So you admitted that it is not racism.

You basically addressed the treatment of the people.

You admitted that they are not classified by race.

If they are the same race then it is NOT racism.


Do you now understand?

 

[kefta]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

So you admitted that it is not racism.

You basically addressed the treatment of the people.

You admitted that they are not classified by race.

If they are not the same race then it is NOT racism.


Do you now understand?

Kaya, folks are trying very hard to apply white socially constructed concepts to non-white people's realities. They will even go to the extent of arguing with you that a "class system" existed among the Mayan or Songhai people. If it is black folks i don't blame them. Thanks to Pavlov and them. But if it is white folks, trust me, their intention is to simply justify the current status quo by say, "ALL HUMANS ARE RACIST". They don't want you to ask questions and tamper with their words and definitions. For the most part, the former and the latter are predominantly shaped by white folks and have been used to construct the world as we see it today.

 

[charlie dark]

So you admitted that it is not racism.

You basically addressed the treatment of the people.

You admitted that they are not classified by race.

If they are not the same race then it is NOT racism.


Do you now understand?

No I said 'you' don't classify them as a separate race.
But by the definition of race quoted in this thread they can be classified as a separate race.

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Kaya, folks are trying very hard to apply white socially constructed concepts to non-white people's realities. They will even go to the extent of arguing with you that a "class system" existed among the Mayan or Songhai people. If it is black folks i don't blame them. Thanks to Pavlov and them. But if it is white folks, trust me, their intention is to simply justify the current status quo by say, "ALL HUMANS ARE RACIST".
They don't want you to ask questions and tamper with their words and definitions.
For the most part, the former and the latter are predominantly shaped by white folks and have been used to construct the world as we see it today.

What strikes me is the emotional response from a people who hold objectivity in supposedly high regard.


When it come to racism...... fuck logic, objectivity and all the other bullshit they espouse for others to follow but not themselves.

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

No I said 'you' don't classify them as a separate race.
But by the definition of race quoted in this thread they can be classified as a separate race.

Then according to you,

How many races are there?

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Then according to you,

How many races are there?

According to me?
According to me there is one race that began it's migratory journey from East Africa 70,000 years ago resulting in numerous ethic groups across the globe we have now.

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

According to me?
According to me there is one race that began it's migratory journey from East Africa 70,000 years ago resulting in numerous ethic groups across the globe we have now.

Well then to you racism doesn't exist.


Isn't that a fair conclusion based on your belief?

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Wrong. I am writing a thesis on the BATWA or the Abayanda as they like calling themselves. And Sir, the Bakiga or Bafumbira don't view that as a "race" of people. Yes, they are marginalized and most importantly because of the white people that have supported biodiversity conservation than people (indigenous rights). Their marginalization is not based on race. Pls, don't get me started. I have mad info on these people and I also made a field research on their current situation. It has nothing to do with "racism".

Soon you are also going to start saying that the Hutus are racist towards the Tutsis and according to racist/white supremacist propaganda, they are both racist towards the Abayanda.

And Sir, the word Pygmy is a deragotory white constructed term. Pls, refer to them as the Batwa or Abayanda.

I have no problem identifying them by their correct name.
I'll confess to being ignorant of their correct names and I appologise.

According to the definition of race as defined in this thread they are being racist.The fact that they may not see it that way does not stop it exhibiting all the attributes of racism.
If it exhibits all the attributes of racism, then I'm afraid it qualifies.

What I'm interested in is your and Kaya's motives for wanting it to be classified other than racism?
Then I may have a better understanding of where you're coming from.

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

I have no problem identifying them by their correct name.
I'll confess to being ignorant of their correct names and I appologise.

According to the definition of race as defined in this thread they are being racist.The fact that they may not see it that way does not stop it exhibiting all the attributes of racism.
If it exhibits all the attributes of racism, then I'm afraid it qualifies.

What I'm interested in is your and Kaya's motives for wanting it to be classified other than racism?
Then I may have a better understanding of where you're coming from.

Racism is a system defining relationships between races.


You still have not answered my question.


How many races are there?

How many races are there in India?


You are avoiding the question and pretending the ball is in my court.

The board is witnessing your evasiveness

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Well then to you racism doesn't exist.


Isn't that a fair conclusion based on your belief?

Yes it does exist because it's a social construct.

But what we are arguing here is about the semantics of the English language.
That's not my purpose.
My point is that the system of governance, persecution and suffering that is grouped under the term 'racism' is not the sole preserve of 'white' people.

 

[kefta]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

I have no problem identifying them by their correct name.
I'll confess to being ignorant of their correct names and I appologise.

According to the definition of race as defined in this thread they are being racist.The fact that they may not see it that way does not stop it exhibiting all the attributes of racism.
If it exhibits all the attributes of racism, then I'm afraid it qualifies.

What I'm interested in is your and Kaya's motives for wanting it to be classified other than racism?
Then I may have a better understanding of where you're coming from.

My personal motive is to stop promoting confusion and reveal the truth that is based on evidence and logic with the intention to not mistreat anyone. The Abayanda, Bakiga, Bafumbira, Bahutu and Batutsi DO NOT BELONG TO A RACE. Unless of course the usual suspects told them that they do. I am not doubting that there is mistreatment that is going on among non-white people. All that I am personally saying is that that msitreatment is not based on the concept of "race" and/or racism. Consequently, that mistreament is taking place within the context of racism/white supremacy. E.g. the situation with the Bahutu and Batutsi in what we loosely refer to as the "RWANDAN GENOCIDE". Remember that? Soon after the whole situation cooled down, people came out with historical eveidence that the racist man and racist woman (White Folks) had been to that part of the world and that they had told the Batutsi that they are a superior group to the Bahutu just because some of their features resembled those of the racist man and racist woman (White Folks) .

And yeah, sorry for sounding all adamantly right in my previous response. That's not kefta. I just don't like it when people apply white constructed social concepts to the realities of all non-white people. Thus, i am against the understanding that AFRICA needs DEMOCRACY.

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Racism is a system defining relationships between races.


You still have not answered my question.


How many races are there?

How many races are there in India?


You are avoiding the question and pretending the ball is in my court.

The board is witnessing your evasiveness

Those emoticons add no value to your statements.
I can read whether you agree with me or not and require no graphical representations of your emotions.

I answered your question.
You've altered it slightly and to if I'm honest I don't know,but there is more than one there are several.
And this is not even including the descendants of slaves that reside there.

S

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Yes it does exist because it's a social construct.

But what we are arguing here is about the semantics of the English language.
That's not my purpose.
My point is that the system of governance, persecution and suffering that is grouped under the term 'racism' is not the sole preserve of 'white' people.

How many races are necessary for racism to exist?