Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wrong?

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

And how many races are there as defined by common knowledge today or even by the current classification system in use?

I'm not your child that you can set silly quizzes for me to reply and then you set me another one.
If you wanna say something just say it and I'll retort in kind.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

And how many wars have our cousin in africa fought among themselves? Just because they lack the ability to write,to document their wars like whites, doesnt mean they are any less violent. How do you think your ancestors got here to the states? African tribes warring each other, to obtain slaves to sell to european traders in exchange for more guns to enslave more africans, and gold. Stop this racial superiority crap, blacks are just as violent if not more than europeans, war is what all human races have in common.

 

[gene cisco]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

I was just guessing... when white people want some shit they find ways to pull it together and find ways to separate us.

But we have been force fed that divide and conquer horseshit. How WAWs fighting battles on multiple fronts defeating people who have the home field advantage? And they did this globally. Seriously, everything west of the Mississippi should be a Native American superpower. They had hundreds of years to figure whites out. Now you can't even find a native in some of those states.

 

[kefta]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

I don't think it matters.
People don't really complain about labelled a particular race per se, it's the treatment of them because of the race they are labelled that troubles them.
Race in it's self is a social construct used to lump people into groups based on physical attributes.
We have decided that colour is a major factor in determining differences in race, but as science has advanced we've discovered that this is a poor method differentiating between humans.It has been established that the some Africans have more in common genetically with Europeans than they do with other Africans.

It appears to me that you're getting hung up on your definition of racism.
If you are denied civil rights, ability to provide for your family, access to advance yourself in society,what difference to you does it matter if it is a white man that does it or if it's a china man or any other kind of man.
All that matters is that because of a definition of who and what you are, you are denied liberties and opportunities that had you been classified other would be open to you.

The disease that we are calling racism is not the classification it's the classification and the behavior towards such people. Both the classifications of groups of people and mistreatment of them because of their classification occurs globally and not just by white people, white people have just been very efficient at it.

I repeat, whatever social constructs non-white people had, they were reduced to nothing when the people that classify themselves as white came on the map. That's my point. I am not saying that non-white people have never had any social conflicts prior to the establishment of the system of racism/white supremacy and/or taken part in the construction of certain social constructs prior to the establishment of the system of racism/white supremacy. No I am not say that. All that I am saying, i repeat once more, NON-WHITE PEOPLE DON'T BELONG TO A RACE AND HAVE NEVER BELONGED TO A RACE. THEY STARTED BELONGING TO A RACE ONCE THEY MET THE RACIST MAN AND RACIST WOMAN (WHITE FOLKS THAT BELIVE IN RACE AND PRACTICE RACISM/WHITE SUPREMACY). Thus, racism is white supremacy and white supremacy is racism.

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Kaya. I won't quote your post(it's huge lol), but you do know the Aztecs were some bloodthirsty bastards, right?

I'm assuming you know about the bloodthirsty black Hebrews, right. All the ethnic cleansing.

The Egyptians waged bloody wars.

People in the Pacific raided other tribes for women and killed the men.

Why try to make brutality just a European thing?

They simply became the Apple of the game. Making up excuses doesn't do shit. How do we stop them? That's what is important. They won the last 500 years simply because the rest of the world had incompetent leadership. You can play this shit out in computer simulations and no way it happens like this again. Shit was more luck than anything.

Who told you that about the Aztecs?

The people who conquered them?

 

[Alaskanredman]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

I'm not your child that you can set silly quizzes for me to reply and then you set me another one.
If you wanna say something just say it and I'll retort in kind.

1. Definitions

The basic racial and ethnic categories for Federal statistics and program administrative reporting are defined as follows:

American Indian or Alaskan Native. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North America, and who maintains cultural identification through tribal affiliations or community recognition.

Asian or Pacific Islander. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, the Indian subcontinent, or the Pacific Islands. This area includes, for example, China, India, Japan, Korea, the Philippine Islands, and Samoa.

Black. A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.

Hispanic. A person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Central or South American or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.

White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East.

2. Utilization for Recordkeeping and Reporting

To provide flexibility, it is preferable to collect data on race and ethnicity separately. If separate race and ethnic categories are used, the minimum designations are:

a. Race:

- American Indian or Alaskan Native
- Asian or Pacific Islander
- Black
- White

b. Ethnicity:

- Hispanic origin
- Not of Hispanic origin

When race and ethnicity are collected separately, the number of White and Black persons who are Hispanic must be identifiable, and capable of being reported in that category.

If a combined format is used to collect racial and ethnic data, the minimum acceptable categories are:

American Indian or Alaskan Native
Asian or Pacific Islander
Black, not of Hispanic origin
Hispanic
White, not of Hispanic origin.

The category which most closely reflects the individual's recognition in his community should be used for purposes of reporting on persons who are of mixed racial and/or ethnic origins.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg_race-ethnicity/



I would assume the US government's classifications for determining the race of it's citizens would work in this discussion. If you have more groups you can list them and what physical traits separates them from the races listed.





Your whole argument has been confusing ethnicity and race. It has been explained to you over and over again... now Kay seems to be using the Socratic method to see if you draw the same conclusions.

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

I repeat, whatever social constructs non-white people had, they were reduced to nothing when the people that classify themselves as white came on the map. That's my point. I am not saying that non-white people have never had any social conflicts prior to the establishment of the system of racism/white supremacy and/or taken part in the construction of certain social constructs prior to the establishment of the system of racism/white supremacy. No I am not say that. All that I am saying, i repeat once more, NON-WHITE PEOPLE DON'T BELONG TO A RACE AND HAVE NEVER BELONGED TO A RACE. THEY STARTED BELONGING TO A RACE ONCE THEY MET THE RACIST MAN AND RACIST WOMAN (WHITE FOLKS THAT BELIVE IN RACE AND PRACTICE RACISM/WHITE SUPREMACY). Thus, racism is white supremacy and white supremacy is racism.

That's because they had a bigger plan, they were trying to conquer the world, so they classified people into bigger groups,the micro classifiations wouldn't have been efficient.
They were just more industrial their approach, but was not a new concept per-se.

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Wow at those wars!

Those people are insane.

it's like they were MMA and we were using kindergarden fighting rules

 

[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

That's because they had a bigger plan, they were trying to conquer the world, so they classified people into bigger groups,the micro classifiations wouldn't have been efficient.
They were just more industrial their approach, but was not a new concept per-se.

So if they were trying to conquer the world then why not start with europe?


Why did it take 200 years after slavery to come up with a concept called race?


It's because it was never about race.

It was about resources but they needed to create a reason so that history wouldn't judge them

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

1. Definitions

The basic racial and ethnic categories for Federal statistics and program administrative reporting are defined as follows:

American Indian or Alaskan Native. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North America, and who maintains cultural identification through tribal affiliations or community recognition.

Asian or Pacific Islander. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, the Indian subcontinent, or the Pacific Islands. This area includes, for example, China, India, Japan, Korea, the Philippine Islands, and Samoa.

Black. A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.

Hispanic. A person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Central or South American or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.

White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East.

2. Utilization for Recordkeeping and Reporting

To provide flexibility, it is preferable to collect data on race and ethnicity separately. If separate race and ethnic categories are used, the minimum designations are:

a. Race:

- American Indian or Alaskan Native
- Asian or Pacific Islander
- Black
- White

b. Ethnicity:

- Hispanic origin
- Not of Hispanic origin

When race and ethnicity are collected separately, the number of White and Black persons who are Hispanic must be identifiable, and capable of being reported in that category.

If a combined format is used to collect racial and ethnic data, the minimum acceptable categories are:

American Indian or Alaskan Native
Asian or Pacific Islander
Black, not of Hispanic origin
Hispanic
White, not of Hispanic origin.

The category which most closely reflects the individual's recognition in his community should be used for purposes of reporting on persons who are of mixed racial and/or ethnic origins.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg_race-ethnicity/



I would assume the US government's classifications for determining the race of it's citizens would work in this discussion.





Your whole argument has been confusing ethnicity and race. It has been explain to you over and over again... now Kay seems to be using the Socratic method to see if you draw the same conclusions.

I'm not confused at all.
That's you classification.
Another one proposed by Carleton S. Coon in 1962

white/Caucasian,
Mongoloid/Asian,
Negroid/Black,
Australoid.

In 1950 the United Nations, opted to “drop the term ‘race’ altogether and speak of “ethnic groups”. In this case, there are more than 5,000 ethnic groups in the world.

That would suggest that the terms have an overlap in meaning.

If I suffer specific oppression conditions because I'm a 'Negroid' or because I'm Hutu, what difference does it make?
If it's a 'Caucasian' that is responsible or a Tutsi?

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

So if they were trying to conquer the world then why not start with europe?


Why did it take 200 years after slavery to come up with a concept called race?


It's because it was never about race.

It was about resources but they needed to create a reason so that history wouldn't judge them

All conquering of peoples is about resources whether it be physical ones or human ones.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

I'm not confused at all.
That's you classification.
Another one proposed by Carleton S. Coon in 1962

white/Caucasian,
Mongoloid/Asian,
Negroid/Black,
Australoid.

In 1950 the United Nations, opted to “drop the term ‘race’ altogether and speak of “ethnic groups”. In this case, there are more than 5,000 ethnic groups in the world.

That would suggest that the terms have an overlap in meaning.

If I suffer specific oppression conditions because I'm a 'Negroid' or because I'm Hutu, what difference does it make?
If it's a 'Caucasian' that is responsible or a Tutsi?

No... that is the US government's classification since 1977. They make a specific division between race and ethnicity. How is it possible for the terms to be interchangeable when they don't have the same definition or even similar definitions?

The slimiest way that you can get away with it is by saying that they have the same purpose of classifying different people even though their method are very different, but if we are going with that much of a stretch we might as well say a table and a chair are interchangeable because both are furniture and you can sit on both if necessary.

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

No... that is the US government's classification since 1977. They make a specific division between race and ethnicity. How is it possible for the terms to be interchangeable when they don't have the same definition or even similar definitions?

The slimiest way that you can get away with it is by saying that they have the same purpose of classifying different people even though their method are very different, but if we are going with that much of a stretch we might as well say a table and a chair are interchangeable because both are furniture and you can sit on both if necessary.

It's on record that the ancient Greeks used to classify peoples by race. This is not a US invention.

Doesn't alter the point I'm making.

 

[kefta]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

That's because they had a bigger plan, they were trying to conquer the world, so they classified people into bigger groups,the micro classifiations wouldn't have been efficient.
They were just more industrial their approach, but was not a new concept per-se.

"per-se"... Everything that people create begins with a concept. The concept of mistreating people on the basis of race was new at that time and it was created by the people that classify themselves as white. Plain and Simple. Now, i don't know what other concepts non-white people had that were designed to mistreat people. All i know is that the concept of racism/white supremacy (a concept created by whites) is the worst form of mistreatment that's here today in 2012. I don't need to go back 1,000,000 yrs back to find out if there was a much worser concept. Why? because if there was one, then the concept of racism/white supremacy would not be here now. That's plain logic. Now, lets work on solving the problem instead of goiing one million years back to try and find out if black people were also the same or worse than the racist man and racist woman (white folks that believe in race and practice racism/white supremacy).

And yeah, there is nothing industrial in mistreating people. Thus, when told about the so called western civilization, Gandhi said, "Western" civilization: "I think it would be a good idea."

 

[Alaskanredman]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

It's on record that the ancient Greeks used to classify peoples by race. This is not a US invention.

Doesn't alter the point I'm making.

Did I say it was a US invention? I think you were attempting to attribute the information that I post as if they were my invention and I was setting the record straight.

Kayanation asked a question that you did feel necessary to answer. I assisted to advance the conversation.

I left the floor open for you to add on races and explain the distinction of these races.

I'm not white and race isn't my invention so I left it in the hands of a white institution.

That institution seems to recognize a difference in race and ethnicity.



It seems that you want to go down the path of etymology with race, but for what purpose?

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Did I say it was a US invention? I think you were attempting to attribute the information that I post as if they were my invention and I was setting the record straight.

Kayanation asked a question that you did feel necessary to answer. I assisted to advance the conversation.

I left the floor open for you to add on races and explain the distinction of these races.

I'm not white and race isn't my invention so I left it in the hands of a white institution.

That institution seems to recognize a difference in race and ethnicity.



It seems that you want to go down the path of etymology with race, but for what purpose?

You're trying to attribute the classification of the human species by phenotype to white people only.
This is not the case.
All man has always done this since year dot.
This is natural because we have eyes.
They may have tried to formalise it as a science and been better at exploiting it than the rest of us, but it is not a white's only disease.

 

[gene cisco]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Who told you that about the Aztecs?

The people who conquered them?

So were the Ancient Egyptians playing footsies? We know they engaged in wars. People all over the globe did. To get caught slipping like this is crazy. So it's cool to wage war with the people who inhabit a land with you but when WAWs show up all strategy goes out the window?

 

[DaAssWatcher]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

So were the Ancient Egyptians playing footsies? We know they engaged in wars. People all over the globe did. To get caught slipping like this is crazy. So it's cool to wage war with the people who inhabit a land with you but when WAWs show up all strategy goes out the window?

Who did they wage a war with except for Nubia???Why didn't they conquer tha entire continent or try to???
Why didn't any other African empire try to conquer tha continent???

 

[Alaskanredman]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

You're trying to attribute the classification of the human species by phenotype to white people only.
This is not the case.
All man has always done this since year dot.
This is natural because we have eyes.
They may have tried to formalise it as a science and been better at exploiting it than the rest of us, but it is not a white's only disease.

My man... you have had the chance to prove your point and your arguments were picked apart.

Seeing that people look different isn't the issue.
Racism is the issue.
By origin, definition and application the argument is being made that White people are the creators and perpetrators of racism.

You haven't presented an argument to counter this assessment and don't even appear to be attempting to present an argument anymore so I think we are done .

It was a good discussion.

Good night.

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

My man... you have had the chance to prove your point and your arguments were picked apart.

Seeing that people look different isn't the issue.
Racism is the issue.
By origin, definition and application the argument is being made that White people are the creators and perpetrators of racism.

You haven't presented an argument to counter this assessment so I think we are done and don't even appear to be attempting to present an argument anymore.

It was a good discussion.

Good night.

I beg to differ
It is you that have refuse to address my points.
Oh well goodnight.

 

[Retired Mizer]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Niccas

 

[Alaskanredman]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

I beg to differ
It is you that have refuse to address my points.
Oh well goodnight.

What was there to address that I missed?

1) You tried to redefine a word for your argument.

I challenged that premise several times which lead to using the actual English definition.


2) You tried to shift the argument to ethnic conflicts.

I challenged the premise that race and ethnicity are interchanged using their definitions. Through analogies, I have also explained how changing the definition of these terms are absurd.


3) You tried to use the anecdotal evidence of racism between minorities based on your experiences specifically with your encounters with Asian prejudice against black people.

I challenged that premise using the definition of racism and applied my own anecdotal evidence of how my experience with that prejudice doesn't have the element of Asian superiority towards all races, but elements of accepting white supremacy.


4) You kept hitting the well of ethnic conflicts. So Kayanation tried to get you to list the races that exist... I assume so that we can dissect these ethnic conflicts using the racial element in search of racism. You deflected. I brought in the US government's definitions for the different races as a base point and stated that you can add on. You didn't.


5) You tried to differentiate between my assessment of the different races vs your assessment, or I would assume, other assessments of the different races.

I challenged that premise by clarifying that it wasn't my assessment or definitions of the races and explained that you never offered your list of races or any list for the discussion.


6) You tried to say I'm attributing the concept of even recognizing the difference in people's appearances solely to white.

I challenge that premise by clarifying the argument at hand which is about racism.


I believe I've been very direct in addressing your rebuttals and I think all the rebuttals of Einstein's argument have been addressed in this thread. Throughout all the recent threads on this topic it appears that there isn't a clear counter argument, but a lot of emotional responses based in very little logic. I wouldn't challenge the idea that all people are equal, but I do challenge the idea that all groups of people have systematically created/utilize specific belief systems to oppress other groups of people because the distribution of these belief systems are not an equal plight of all mankind...
You might as well say Eskimos are responsible for the horrors of Fascism or that they are fascist.

 

[gene cisco]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Who did they wage a war with except for Nubia???Why didn't they conquer tha entire continent or try to???
Why didn't any other African empire try to conquer tha continent???

Shit. They had a hard enough time keeping Egypt. Let's not forget they had to oust foreign invaders. There is no way they try to conquer the entire continent. And which African empire had the man power and/or technological advantage to succeed?

People confuse not being able to do something with kindness or some shit. No people on the planet had such an advantage until relatively recently. Prior to the invention of the firearm, everyone from Europe to Africa to Australia to the Americas was basically fighting with sticks and stones.

The gun changed everything. Not reverse engineering the gun was the biggest mistake native peoples made. Without the gun, institutional racism doesn't get invented. There would be no need for it. Europeans wouldn't have been able to conquer shit or try to keep conquering. They wouldn't need racism to keep their actions going.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

You ask the same questions that baffles me. To this day I still have no idea how whites was able to invade other nations/countries with little resistance. Yes they went to other nations kicked their ass and learn all their shit

Look how notorious this kat Alexander was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great

The dude went bananas man. It's crazy.

alexander the great turned into alexander the geek when he saw,

The Candace of Meroe on her Elephant!!

He was NOT FUCKIN WITH NUBIA!!!


Ask yourself, all that fuckin gold and richs in Nubia why wasnt it invaded..

Then find out who was running that shit at the time!!


Alexander the Great feared an African Woman and backed the fuck up out of NUBIA/Kush!!

of course remember who is telling world history, and what parts they choose to keep, and what parts they choose to throw into the lost history category!!

in fact do we hear anything at all about Nubian and Kush kingdoms in history classes in grade school?

Most folks dont even know, Upper Egypt was/is going INTO black dark Nubia, and Lower egypt was closer to greece and europe..

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

What was there to address that I missed?

1) You tried to redefine a word for your argument.

I challenged that premise several times which lead to using the actual English definition.


2) You tried to shift the argument to ethnic conflicts.

I challenged the premise that race and ethnicity are interchanged using their definitions. Through analogies, I have also explained how changing the definition of these terms are absurd.


3) You tried to use the anecdotal evidence of racism between minorities based on your experiences specifically with your encounters with Asian prejudice against black people.

I challenged that premise using the definition of racism and applied my own anecdotal evidence of how my experience with that prejudice doesn't have the element of Asian superiority towards all races, but elements of accepting white supremacy.


4) You kept hitting the well of ethnic conflicts. So Kayanation tried to get you to list the races that exist... I assume so that we can dissect these ethnic conflicts using the racial element in search of racism. You deflected. I brought in the US government's definitions for the different races as a base point and stated that you can add on. You didn't.


5) You tried to differentiate between my assessment of the different races vs your assessment, or I would assume, other assessments of the different races.

I challenged that premise by clarifying that it wasn't my assessment or definitions of the races and explained that you never offered your list of races or any list for the discussion.


6) You tried to say I'm attributing the concept of even recognizing the difference in people's appearances solely to white.

I challenge that premise by clarifying the argument at hand which is about racism.


I believe I've been very direct in addressing your rebuttals and I think all the rebuttals of Einstein's argument have been addressed in this thread. Throughout all the recent threads on this topic it appears that there isn't a clear counter argument, but a lot of emotional responses based in very little logic. I wouldn't challenge the idea that all people are equal, but I do challenge the idea that all groups of people have systematically created/utilize specific belief systems to oppress other groups of people because the distribution of these belief systems are not an equal plight of all mankind...
You might as well say Eskimos are responsible for the horrors of Fascism or that they are fascist.

I thought we were done with this shit????


I did not try to change anything.
Race is an arbitrary concept.
An example of a definition:
race:
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution:

Now as the definition has a degree of fluidity,let's see if we can establish the concept within which we are using it.


We are using it to define racism.

OK what is racism?

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Now as I said again there are numerous examples whereby a population group that are either:

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution:


believe that the difference between them and another 'race' as defined above makes them superior to them and is evidenced by their treatment of such people.

You appear to insist that white people are the only people that exercise such traits,I challenged that view point because numerous populations do it to others.

I am not trying to shift it to ethic wars.
I'm saying, something that you are classifying as an ethnic war is in fact routed in racism.

Definition of ethnic:

Of, relating to, or characteristic of a sizable group of people sharing a common and distinctive racial, national, religious, linguistic, or cultural heritage.

Now if you can't see the overlap in those two definitions that's cool with me,I have no vested interest in you accepting the definition as I see it.
My main focus and the point I am seeking to address,is that racism requires the classification of a sections of the population and the treatment of them based on their classification. If it were just a case of classifying people but they were all treated the same it would be a non issue, the issue arises in that they are treated differently because of their classification. Now the problem as the persecuted people see it is not that they are classified but that they are persecuted because of it.
So my argument is that racism is not about the classification it's about the persecution and perception of the peoples of the persecuted.

In the UK in the 1950's and earlier Irish people were persecuted because they were Irish they were considered stupid and less able than the English.
Today in England if you discriminate against someone because they are Irish you contravene the race relations act.

The Race Relations Act 1976

The Race Relations Act 1976 was established by the Parliament of the United Kingdom to prevent discrimination on the grounds of race.

Items that are covered include discrimination on the grounds of race, colour, nationality, ethnic and national origin in the fields of employment, the provision of goods and services, education and public functions.



You don't go to war/conquer and enslave people that you feel are your equal, now as I said people may not have theorized it to the degree as Europeans but they've acted on that basis.

What is your motive for wanting to lay racism at white people's door only?

So the fucked up shit we and other people do can be excused because you've managed to reconcile in you're mind that it's not racism. A word that is not even yours but that belongs to the English??


What you're trying to do is speak with 'forked tongue'.
Isn't that what the Indigenous American Indians said about the white man???

Racism has always existed in humans.
Some more or less so than others.

Anyway I'm guessing neither of us will convince the other of our view point so I suggest we kill this and argue on a new topic in another thread.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

alexander the great turned into alexander the geek when he saw,

The Candace of Meroe on her Elephant!!

He was NOT FUCKIN WITH NUBIA!!!


Ask yourself, all that fuckin gold and richs in Nubia why wasnt it invaded..

Then find out who was running that shit at the time!!


Alexander the Great feared an African Woman and backed the fuck up out of NUBIA/Kush!!

of course remember who is telling world history, and what parts they choose to keep, and what parts they choose to throw into the lost history category!!

in fact do we hear anything at all about Nubian and Kush kingdoms in history classes in grade school?

Most folks dont even know, Upper Egypt was/is going INTO black dark Nubia, and Lower egypt was closer to greece and europe..

word! Let me find out. I didn't know this about Nubia.

My African history classes were short lived, so a lot of things were left out.

 

[Alaskanredman]

I thought we were done with this shit????


I did not try to change anything.
Race is an arbitrary concept.
An example of a definition:
race:
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution:

Now as the definition has a degree of fluidity,let's see if we can establish the concept within which we are using it.


We are using it to define racism.

OK what is racism?

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Now as I said again there are numerous examples whereby a population group that are either:

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution:


believe that the difference between them and another 'race' as defined above makes them superior to them and is evidenced by their treatment of such people.

You appear to insist that white people are the only people that exercise such traits,I challenged that view point because numerous populations do it to others.

I am not trying to shift it to ethic wars.
I'm saying, something that you are classifying as an ethnic war is in fact routed in racism.

Definition of ethnic:

Of, relating to, or characteristic of a sizable group of people sharing a common and distinctive racial, national, religious, linguistic, or cultural heritage.

Now if you can't see the overlap in those two definitions that's cool with me,I have no vested interest in you accepting the definition as I see it.
My main focus and the point I am seeking to address,is that racism requires the classification of a sections of the population and the treatment of them based on their classification. If it were just a case of classifying people but they were all treated the same it would be a non issue, the issue arises in that they are treated differently because of their classification. Now the problem as the persecuted people see it is not that they are classified but that they are persecuted because of it.
So my argument is that racism is not about the classification it's about the persecution and perception of the peoples of the persecuted.

In the UK in the 1950's and earlier Irish people were persecuted because they were Irish they were considered stupid and less able than the English.
Today in England if you discriminate against someone because they are Irish you contravene the race relations act.

The Race Relations Act 1976

The Race Relations Act 1976 was established by the Parliament of the United Kingdom to prevent discrimination on the grounds of race.

Items that are covered include discrimination on the grounds of race, colour, nationality, ethnic and national origin in the fields of employment, the provision of goods and services, education and public functions.



You don't go to war/conquer and enslave people that you feel are your equal, now as I said people may not have theorized it to the degree as Europeans but they've acted on that basis.

What is your motive for wanting to lay racism at white people's door only?

So the fucked up shit we and other people do can be excused because you've managed to reconcile in you're mind that it's not racism. A word that is not even yours but that belongs to the English??


What you're trying to do is speak with 'forked tongue'.
Isn't that what the Indigenous American Indians said about the white man???

Racism has always existed in humans.
Some more or less so than others.

Anyway I'm guessing neither of us will convince the other of our view point so I suggest we kill this and argue on a new topic in another thread.

I have a long day at work so I open this back up when I read you comment this morning.

I have no motive for laying racism at the feet of white people. I was open for discussion and presented an argument for debate.

Now the overlap is that race is used as a component in determining ethnicity along with multiple components, but racism is specifically about race. Which is why I and others wanted to look at the actual racial element of your rebuttals. Once you open the scope to larger reasons for conflicts or hatred then it is no longer racism by definition.

I never tried to diminish any oppression or hatred by limiting the responsibility all conflicts to one group. I just wanted to be clear about racism and what persecution is a reflection of racism. That is not saying other groups of people are angels. That is saying not all oppression, conflicts and etc. are racism and that there are different belief systems that generate conflicts.

Conflicts, hatred, oppression, persecution has always existed based on written history, but written history does not show that racism always existed. Which is why I used the examples of Inuits and fascism because we all are fascist right? Or men have always created different belief systems to justify their society and actions. Racism is one.

Its cool if we are done, but I needed to kill time.

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[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

It's on record that the ancient Greeks used to classify peoples by race. This is not a US invention.

Doesn't alter the point I'm making.

Post a link to back this up if you can.





I have never seen this shit ever!


Are you making shit up now?

 

[Alaskanredman]

Post a link to back this up if you can.





I have never seen this shit ever!


Are you making shit up now?

I had a philosophy class back in the day and it was either Socrates or Aristole that used the term "race" in a way that we currently use "class" to discribe social order. People of a certain "race" would be suited to be politicians, others would be workers and so on base on their personalities. It was a completely different meaning then and would be described as classism today.

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[water]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

I had a philosophy class back in the day and it was either Socrates or Aristole that used the term "race" in a way that we currently use "class" to discribe social order. People of a certain "race" would be suited to be politicians, others would be workers and so on base on their personalities. It was a completely different meaning then and would be described as classism today.

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That is why he refused to answer my question.

"And how many races are there as defined by common knowledge today or even by the current classification system in use?"



Jesus was the lamb of God
See? Back in the day they used to call people animals so therefore the belief people came from animals went way back



That's the kind of logic he is using

 

[charlie dark]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

Post a link to back this up if you can.





I have never seen this shit ever!


Are you making shit up now?

If you wanna engage with me,loose the sarcastic emoticons.
I've not disrespected you in any way shape or form and I expect the same in return!!

 

[FIVEFIVE]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

A lot of confusion here.

Race is a word and concept that was literally invented by "white" people. This isn't really debatable or open to discussion. When talking about "racism" it's important to grasp a simple idea ..... the concept of "racial classification" wherein people of varying backgrounds, ethnicities, and origins were grouped together on the basis of skin color and boxed into a "non-white" category is a white (Western) innovation. It was this system of classification that provided the subtext and rationale for colonialism (and it's ensuing "civilizing" mission), the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and the "peculiar institution" of chattel slavery in America.

This system of "racial" classification persists to this very day and continues to undergird the systemic and institutional racism that informs so much of the American experience (though it's by no means limited to the United States).

Ethnic hatred, prejudice, bigotry, slavery and general human wickedness are certainly not unique to "white" people or the Western world more generally. That's simply a human thing. But this notion of racial classification and institutionalized mistreatment of human beings on the basis of skin color is.

This notion that wholly disparate peoples are the "same" by virtue of the hue of their skin is a bizarre Western idea. A person who has known themselves as Ghanaian their whole lives will be told no... you are "black". It's a bizarre concept that has no real meaningful corollary anywhere else. Again.... bigotry, prejudice, hate and evil are not uniquely "white"... that's a crazy suggestion to make but the reality is that "racism" is a unique Western invention.

The very WORD "RACE" implies the White classification system, like the word "CASTE" implies the hindu classification system. "Race" is basically a totem pole in which white people placed themselves on TOP and everyone else below. They INVENTED the shit. The rest of the world bought into the concept.....so RACE-ISM is a WHITE thing. NO ONE ELSE can own it. To be RACE-IST is to operate and believe in that system, and support it. You cant be a Black or non-white racist, thats an OXYMORON. Racism as a system that places Blacks lower than whites. Thats what it MEANS. If you hate Whites, you're not RACIST. You're prejudiced. Thats not what "RACISM" is.

 

[sharkbait28]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

The very WORD "RACE" implies the White classification system, like the word "CASTE" implies the hindu classification system. "Race" is basically a totem pole in which white people placed themselves on TOP and everyone else below. They INVENTED the shit. The rest of the world bought into the concept.....so RACE-ISM is a WHITE thing. NO ONE ELSE can own it. To be RACE-IST is to operate and believe in that system, and support it. You cant be a Black or non-white racist, thats an OXYMORON. Racism as a system that places Blacks lower than whites. Thats what it MEANS. If you hate Whites, you're not RACIST. You're prejudiced. Thats not what "RACISM" is.

Exactly.... this isn't really a difficult concept. Unfortunately it's widely (purposefully?) misunderstood and obfuscated. Every people are capable of; being nasty, committing genocide, commiting ethnic cleansing, enslaving others, oppressing others etc etc etc. We're all humans after all. But this idea of creating a "racial classification" system where various disparate ethnicities and peoples are grouped together, exploited and oppressed based on skin color alone.... where the whole process is institutionalized and an entire psuedo-science is propagated to support it is wholly unique to the Western ("white") world.

 

[kefta]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

The very WORD "RACE" implies the White classification system, like the word "CASTE" implies the hindu classification system. "Race" is basically a totem pole in which white people placed themselves on TOP and everyone else below. They INVENTED the shit. The rest of the world bought into the concept.....so RACE-ISM is a WHITE thing. NO ONE ELSE can own it. To be RACE-IST is to operate and believe in that system, and support it. You cant be a Black or non-white racist, thats an OXYMORON. Racism as a system that places Blacks lower than whites. Thats what it MEANS. If you hate Whites, you're not RACIST. You're prejudiced. Thats not what "RACISM" is.

 

[Theo_Huxtable]

Re: Albert Einstein Said Racism Is “A Disease Of White People”........... was he wron

No because that poor white trash can hate the government, have a criminal record and a GED, but still be able to compete with a black college graduate in getting a job. I'm on my phone but google a 2005 Princeton study about hiring felons. That is power. That is white supremacy. We are all under that system and a lot of non-white races are playing along hoping that they can sit next to white people in the white supremacist ranking.

Also you have to assess the application of any ism to validate the full scope of the belief system. Which is why I was clear in my post about the superiority element of racism and why we keep coming back to how racism is applied. In your rebuttal you used how some Asians have hatred towards black people and I proposed the notion that Asians aren't holding that hatred with a belief of Asian superiority. The ones I've run across see whites as the superior race much like self hating Coons who have no problem attacking other races outside of white and black people... and that is white supremacy.

Why do white people use these proxies like Allen West to spread their racist message? To have cover against being called racist.

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That poor white trash has no access to shit once they believe the system is against them and don't even use whatever benefits you feel they have. They're still POOR white trash obviously, no matter what hypotheticals you want to throw out there. And I don't know what Asian you got in Alaska but the ones here want their Asians with Asians typically. Other than that they're daughters just better be with someone successful, no matter what the color. But even then that's just generalizing and not representation of all of them, just a few that do fall under that stereotype.​

Prejudice is a belief.


Racism is NOT a belief.

The fuck are you talking about? Prejudice thoughts can be changed, racism can't. I've had my prejudices (pre-judging which is what prejudice really is) against certain people and they've changed after certain situations. That's what makes racism more of a belief. Pre-judging is something that can be converted & change unlike peoples racist beliefs. I've never seen a racist suddenly say, "you know what, maybe I'm wrong" after an incident or two. But someones prejudices about how a certain way a race is supposed to act has been changed. Like I said, you're redefining things to your liking instead of actually looking at them as what they really are.​