Any Brothers on the Board here fight in Vietnam?

COINTELPRO

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I am moving to Vietnam when I get my things setup.

Communism was badly implemented in many of these countries and Karl Marx theories are way off the mark. I read some of his ramblings from the 19th century and they make no sense.
 
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I am moving to Vietnam when I get my things setup.

Communism was badly implemented in many of these countries and Karl Marx theories are way off the mark. I read some of his ramblings from the 19th century and they make no sense.

not done poorly in Vietnam. Place looks like Orlando today. In the cities at least. Still got mines and remains of military equipment littering the countryside.
 

dolemite73

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Brothers, fuck your Colin Powell pics:

The French arrived in Indochina in the 1860s. the natives resisted, in one form or another until April 1975. The French were able to subdue them by co-opting the elite and middle class, but there were still uprisings. From that French educated elite came a group of French speaking Soviet-style Communists, Communist dissenters (mostly Trotskyites), regular socialists, but the majority were plain nationalists - people who wanted independence and a Vietnamese way, independent of Europe, independent of China or any one else.

One of those educated elite from the middle class, who adopted the name Ho Chi Minh, travelled the world as a chef, working in France, West Africa (on a ship), Britain and the UNited States. Ho Chi Minh worked in Harlem and studied the US declaration of independence. He even tried to make a presentation to the Versailles negotiations at the end of WW1 to get self determination. when that failed, he is known to have gone to Moscow, where he became steeped in Marxism for the first time. By the late 1930s he was ready and after 30+ years, returned home. The people wanted to hear what he said, and with Chinese Communist help, he began to organize.

When WW2 started there were the usual debates just like the ones that happened all around the world among colonized people: join the Allies and their militaries or help the Axis powers or wait it out? Few Indochinese helped the Japanese conqeror. Uncle Ho's group, the Viet Minh was known for their rectitude - no corruption and no bowing, literally and figuratively - to any colonial power, white or Asian. When Horoshima and Nagasaki occurred, the French got the remaining Japanese troops to help them to put down Ho's first attempts at revolution. In the last year of the war, the US send a few spies and soldiers to help in the fight against the Japanese.

Ever heard of the Pentagon Papers? They detail the first reports about 1945 - Ho could quote the Declaration verbatim and wrote to Roosevelt (or Truman, I can't remember). that's how he saw the US, as the first country to throw off the colonial shackles. Within months, the French had got combat troops to Indochina and put down the revolution. It took nine years, and a lot of money from Moscow and Beijing (and conversly, Paris and Washington) but the Viet Minh prevailed. Viet Minh fighters in the South moved north - ostensibly to resettle, but Uncle Ho had no intentions.

The first US death in Viet Nam occurred on a street in Hanoi in like November or December 1945. The next one happened in like 1957. It started as a trickle, but former Viet Minh started to return within a year, and they started to orgganize. By 1964 the former Viet Minh had the upper hand agianst the corrupt government in the south and Johnson - fearing being blamed for losing that country to the Communists began to pour in troops beginning in 1965. But the US had already lost 1,000 men by then. Colinn Powell had already been injured as an advisor. By 1968 there were 550,000 US military there but Nixon started teh drawdown so that all combat troops were gone by the Spring of 1973. The embassy closed at he end of April 1975.

So to the Vietnamese, the war took 110 years, or 30 years and they then had to purge their people of collaborators or reeducate them. I know all this because I needed to understand how Wobble Wobble came to be - Pops Wobble Wobble, home from Basic met Mama Wobble Wobble (who happened to be in the US) a few days before he shipped out. My conclusion is the key to understand the Vietnam war is actually understanding the Korean War...
The Ken Burns Vietnam documentary from a couple of years ago really broke this stuff down as to the how and the why for the Vietnam War. Ho Chi Minh was actually a US educated follower of Marcus Garvey and took that ideology back to his people in Vietnam. That war should not have ever been fought and an ocean of blood was needlessly lost in a proxy war against communism.
 

dolemite73

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That's a book/documentary right there: The Lucky Ones - After Nam.

The dichotomy of (1) the men who were able to "leave Vietnam there;" (2) the ones who couldn't get from under it; (3) the ones who drank and drugged to escape it and the effects of it on their families

I'm sure the stories from Black people vary greatly from those of white people. It would be very interesting to say the least
My family is number 3. Someone should really do a documentary about the black families that were decimated by the Vietnam War after the brothers came home.
 

Wobble Wobble

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The Ken Burns Vietnam documentary from a couple of years ago really broke this stuff down as to the how and the why for the Vietnam War. Ho Chi Minh was actually a US educated follower of Marcus Garvey and took that ideology back to his people in Vietnam. That war should not have ever been fought and an ocean of blood was needlessly lost in a proxy war against communism.
I wouldn't say US educated. He hustled jobs and did a lot of reading and observing the condition of Black people in the US. That was reflected during the war with Brothers who were captured. For the most part the Brothers got treated well - unless they were real Gung-ho. That was on Uncle Ho's orders - same during the French part of the war for African and Arab soldiers: a measure of understanding, unless they were assholes,then the torture started. And before you ask, this was after they got captured. In battle it was "oh well". John McCain described how one Black pilot was tortured heavily because he was a true believer in the US cause. There were others who got special privileges.

Charlie had his shit together.
 

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Mine did
My father told me to never go into the services
Mine did too. One of the last piece of advice he gave me tye day i graduated high school before he 9assed away a month later was" don't go to them devil's" Also my with grade math teacher told us not to mess with the army his words" the army is no place for a black man" my unvle who served active duty told me not to one of my high school feiends who joined the marines said dont do it. Furious styles from boys in the hood. Plenty of black men in my life who served in thr military told me not to mess with it.
 

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My father told me to never go into the services

I'm not bumping heads with you. Just sharing what I was exposed too..

My dad, uncles, cousins didn't have that advice to me.. They told me everything to watchout for and to pick a job that would workout for me when I got!! I picked the electrical trade and went in the army.. I got 5months a year doing electrical and engineering work, but they got 7months a year of army training outta me!! The army training they exposed me too, was put in my back pocket just in case shit would fall apart..
 

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trstar

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I'm not bumping heads with you. Just sharing what I was exposed too..

My dad, uncles, cousins didn't have that advice to me.. They told me everything to watchout for and to pick a job that would workout for me when I got!! I picked the electrical trade and went in the army.. I got 5months a year doing electrical and engineering work, but they got 7months a year of army training outta me!! The army training they exposed me too, was put in my back pocket just in case shit would fall apart..
No issues here at all.
If you get the right advice the services can really work out. Classmates had there med degree and law degrees paid for. Others are chefs, it techs, and equipment operators. Strangely enough I really don’t know any trigger pullers

My dad was the “radar oreilly” at the Air Force base in El Paso in the early 50s.
 

Quek9

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Mine did

Mine did too. One of the last piece of advice he gave me tye day i graduated high school before he 9assed away a month later was" don't go to them devil's" Also my with grade math teacher told us not to mess with the army his words" the army is no place for a black man" my unvle who served active duty told me not to one of my high school feiends who joined the marines said dont do it. Furious styles from boys in the hood. Plenty of black men in my life who served in thr military told me not to mess with it.
This. Props to the military bruhz but I hope they get in and get out.
 

Venom

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I finally saw the movie. It was powerful. Will tell my kids not to join military. I've been to Vietnam twice recently. I got railroaded while serving Uncle Sam and would not want my kids to. I got justice which few bros do. My pops did 9 years Navy. Married a Filipina.
 

VAiz4hustlaz

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Brothers, fuck your Colin Powell pics:

The French arrived in Indochina in the 1860s. the natives resisted, in one form or another until April 1975. The French were able to subdue them by co-opting the elite and middle class, but there were still uprisings. From that French educated elite came a group of French speaking Soviet-style Communists, Communist dissenters (mostly Trotskyites), regular socialists, but the majority were plain nationalists - people who wanted independence and a Vietnamese way, independent of Europe, independent of China or any one else.

One of those educated elite from the middle class, who adopted the name Ho Chi Minh, travelled the world as a chef, working in France, West Africa (on a ship), Britain and the UNited States. Ho Chi Minh worked in Harlem and studied the US declaration of independence. He even tried to make a presentation to the Versailles negotiations at the end of WW1 to get self determination. when that failed, he is known to have gone to Moscow, where he became steeped in Marxism for the first time. By the late 1930s he was ready and after 30+ years, returned home. The people wanted to hear what he said, and with Chinese Communist help, he began to organize.

When WW2 started there were the usual debates just like the ones that happened all around the world among colonized people: join the Allies and their militaries or help the Axis powers or wait it out? Few Indochinese helped the Japanese conqeror. Uncle Ho's group, the Viet Minh was known for their rectitude - no corruption and no bowing, literally and figuratively - to any colonial power, white or Asian. When Horoshima and Nagasaki occurred, the French got the remaining Japanese troops to help them to put down Ho's first attempts at revolution. In the last year of the war, the US send a few spies and soldiers to help in the fight against the Japanese.

Ever heard of the Pentagon Papers? They detail the first reports about 1945 - Ho could quote the Declaration verbatim and wrote to Roosevelt (or Truman, I can't remember). that's how he saw the US, as the first country to throw off the colonial shackles. Within months, the French had got combat troops to Indochina and put down the revolution. It took nine years, and a lot of money from Moscow and Beijing (and conversly, Paris and Washington) but the Viet Minh prevailed. Viet Minh fighters in the South moved north - ostensibly to resettle, but Uncle Ho had no intentions.

The first US death in Viet Nam occurred on a street in Hanoi in like November or December 1945. The next one happened in like 1957. It started as a trickle, but former Viet Minh started to return within a year, and they started to orgganize. By 1964 the former Viet Minh had the upper hand agianst the corrupt government in the south and Johnson - fearing being blamed for losing that country to the Communists began to pour in troops beginning in 1965. But the US had already lost 1,000 men by then. Colinn Powell had already been injured as an advisor. By 1968 there were 550,000 US military there but Nixon started teh drawdown so that all combat troops were gone by the Spring of 1973. The embassy closed at he end of April 1975.

So to the Vietnamese, the war took 110 years, or 30 years and they then had to purge their people of collaborators or reeducate them. I know all this because I needed to understand how Wobble Wobble came to be - Pops Wobble Wobble, home from Basic met Mama Wobble Wobble (who happened to be in the US) a few days before he shipped out. My conclusion is the key to understand the Vietnam war is actually understanding the Korean War...

:cool:
 

tebriel69

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This thread is awe inspiring. Currently serving. This shit hurts my heart to see the pain our forefathers went through. Once again, our way was paid for by brothas who are largely forgotten. I know this country has shit on us but folks need to remember these sacrifices. As one dude said on here, when folks burn or kneel for the flag....it’s ur right sure. But think about who served to protect your rights to do what u want. And as another brotha mentioned: military is fucked up. But u can get a lot out of it. School is free. They pay for med school, vet school, optometry school. They finally opened up law school for enlisted for the first time ever (trying to get on that but as usual there’s some bull shit stipulations). U can get certifications out the ass if u pick a job that has them. Housing loan, super low rates on credit cards etc. Point being, yea the military has its flaws but u can get a shit ton out of it if u are wise.

props to the creator of this thread. Super props to all the Vietnam vets who have perished.Appreciate y’all’s knowledge and willingness to share your stories and personal encounters with this amazing generation.
 
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