Any IT Security Heads here?

novaprime703

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IMO CISSP is for people that want to go management, if you want to be "red team" or ehtical hackers you gotta look into the OSCP. Put that on your linked in and watch it blow up.
 

novaprime703

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Can a novice ask a few questions?

How old were u guys when you got your certs?
Got my CISSP in early 20s really havent used it but it gets me past the keyword searches by recruiters

Did u go to a college, a two year school, a specialized school, a program, online school...?
College

Did u have a degree previously? And what was it in?
Have both BS and MS in CS

How much did these certs cost?
CISSP = GRIP
OSCP ~ 1500 but you gotta carve out the time to dedicate to it

How difficult was the studying?
CISSP=book cramming
OSCP = practical googling and going deep in depth with hands on stuf

How do you fiND jobs?
saw a company i liked and just applied, also meetups and just finding out about the tech community near me
And how are the internships and are they beneficial and easy to find? Are they competitive?
Didnt have any worked my way up from being sysadmin, didnt want to be a programmer, if I had to do it all over agian i woulda started out as a programmer
 

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The brother on the cybrary website has itil. A recruiter called me a couple days ago offering $36/hr. for ITIL. Is it worth it?
 

HellBoy

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The brother on the cybrary website has itil. A recruiter called me a couple days ago offering $36/hr. for ITIL. Is it worth it?
ITIL is just (IMO) using terms to convey what and who you are dealing with. If you've ever had a project management course, you have heard most of the terms already. Customer, stakeholder, risks, etc. It looks good for government jobs. Its a fairly easy test too (from what I've seen). Only 45 questions.
 

MrSid

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My qualifications
Beng industrial metallurgy
HND systems engineering
C&G IT level 4
Security +
Mcse
Ccna
RHSE
Plus several other qualifications. I m probably at CCNP level at networking .CEH level at security . I manage 500 servers , 10 data centers . 5 years since my last hack .
I do not bother with certs any more for senior level recruitment . If you are in my industry 99% of the time I know you or you know me .
Your work speaks more than your certs .
 

MrSid

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to be honest , certs come and go . A degree will always be forever . Like @kayanation or cyber always advocate build up your resume of your work . I have done dev ops , AWS , CEH this year and not bothered to take the exams . Some people need the certs to get entry , but after a while you start getting head hunted . My last two jobs the recruiters came to me and not me to them .
 

MrSid

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Correction , I got burnt this year by the Zepto virus . I had to write my own code to look for it and destroy it and then did a restore from the backups . Company lost 15 mins of productivity , and we spent 12 hours deinfecting the financial systems .
 

Coldchi

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The brother on the cybrary website has itil. A recruiter called me a couple days ago offering $36/hr. for ITIL. Is it worth it?

ITIL was a requirement for me when i worked at Fujitsu......totally a waste of time unless you're gonna be in project management or running a service desk.
Same as with A+,....unless you plan on running a computer repair shop. After i got my degree in CIS, i started with certs in Network+, MCP, and CCT & CCENT.
Then worked up to CCNA Data Center, CCNA Wireless, and Routing & Switching. I plan on getting CCNP as well in the future. The goal is to be a Network Engineer or Network Architect.
Try to get a job where you will get hands on experience with this stuff. That way it makes a lot more sense to you when you are studying for it. The more exposure you get, the better.
 

BGLR1212000

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ITIL was a requirement for me when i worked at Fujitsu......totally a waste of time unless you're gonna be in project management or running a service desk.
Same as with A+,....unless you plan on running a computer repair shop. After i got my degree in CIS, i started with certs in Network+, MCP, and CCT & CCENT.
Then worked up to CCNA Data Center, CCNA Wireless, and Routing & Switching. I plan on getting CCNP as well in the future. The goal is to be a Network Engineer or Network Architect.
Try to get a job where you will get hands on experience with this stuff. That way it makes a lot more sense to you when you are studying for it. The more exposure you get, the better.
I used to want to work in data centers until I realized they were gonna have me on nights and weekends.
 

Coldchi

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I used to want to work in data centers until I realized they were gonna have me on nights and weekends.
fortunately,.....alot of the shit that i have to do with our domain controllers and servers, i can do remotely.
i only have to physically pull backup tapes once a week.
 

kinfolk

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Man this thread is what I needed! I'm working on a bachelors in Information Security and Assurance that i'll complete December 2017. I'm kinda late to the game and totally new to IT so I know experience will be key in order to make this degree mean something. Having a hard time making the decision to quit my decent paying job to take an internship in the field to get experience vs waiting until I actually have my degree an applying for an entry level job. What was your experiences finding your first job once you got the degree? Did you do internship or have previous IT experience? I have every intention on getting certs as well but that will have to wait until I graduate because full time work and 4-5 classes a semester is kicking my ass lol.
 

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Haven't worked in the industry going on 10 yrs now but had my MCSE, Cisco cert and Checkpoint Security Cert. Am sure the Checkpoint isn't worth anything anymore. Idk.

But something I mention to many guys in IT looking to advance your career, something a bit less of being a slave for a company in IT is to cross over to Project Management and look into getting your PMP. If you have 5 yrs experience you can take the test. There's many courses for it, some shared on here. I keep putting it off, but at this point, not sure if I can still go after it as my time frame may of expired.

But there's dudes making $90+ an hour in Project Management, so if you looking for a change consider it. Personally at times in the past, loved IT, but hated having 15 bosses and all playing against each other. I was running a 500 user environment over 12 offices globally. We barely outsourced anything. Was just me and another dude. Learned a lot back then, but was 24/7 on call basically and traveled alot. So wish I did PMP but had my own businesses making good paper til recession hit me...
 

p5ych3

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Man this thread is what I needed! I'm working on a bachelors in Information Security and Assurance that i'll complete December 2017. I'm kinda late to the game and totally new to IT so I know experience will be key in order to make this degree mean something. Having a hard time making the decision to quit my decent paying job to take an internship in the field to get experience vs waiting until I actually have my degree an applying for an entry level job. What was your experiences finding your first job once you got the degree? Did you do internship or have previous IT experience? I have every intention on getting certs as well but that will have to wait until I graduate because full time work and 4-5 classes a semester is kicking my ass lol.

i'm in that lack of experience boat too. 1 year left on pursuing my degree if i keep up my current pace
but the jobs i'm sys/net admin jobs i see on those job sites are looking for around 5yrs experience.
don't mind coming in entry level, but bills gotta pay. I plan to network the hell outta linkedin. probably
do some youtube tutorial vids etc.
 

Coldchi

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i'm in that lack of experience boat too. 1 year left on pursuing my degree if i keep up my current pace
but the jobs i'm sys/net admin jobs i see on those job sites are looking for around 5yrs experience.
don't mind coming in entry level, but bills gotta pay. I plan to network the hell outta linkedin. probably
do some youtube tutorial vids etc.
apply for those jobs anyway. dont let that "5 years experience" shit sway you.
get in there....take the interview, and let them see that you know your shit.
9 times out of 10, they'll hire you. LinkedIn is a sure thing. The job i have now was through LinkedIn.
 

kinfolk

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apply for those jobs anyway. dont let that "5 years experience" shit sway you.
get in there....take the interview, and let them see that you know your shit.
9 times out of 10, they'll hire you. LinkedIn is a sure thing. The job i have now was through LinkedIn.

Good shit. Did you apply to jobs through Linkedin or put credentials on there and jobs came to you?
 

camdion1

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I just moved to Atlanta from the Northern Virginia. I don't know how it is where you are but the big difference I see here in Atlanta is companies want to hire individuals to run everything from helpdesk to sysadmin to networking to save money, and younger personnel. In Northern Virginia the responsibilities was separated among several divisions so there are lots of job opportunities there. Also almost everything in Northern Virginia requires a security clearance. I got lucky and found a nice IT management gig here but it took a minute. It don't pay what I'm worth so I see myself going after CISSP and my Masters which I will be starting in January to be more marketable. I also have IT experience and training from my career in the Navy. I believe getting a good IT job depends on timing and where you are. I put my Degree and Certs here for you to see so you won't think i'm just talking random shit. I've had other certs but they expired, but I still include them on my resume.



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ghour

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Haven't worked in the industry going on 10 yrs now but had my MCSE, Cisco cert and Checkpoint Security Cert. Am sure the Checkpoint isn't worth anything anymore. Idk.

But something I mention to many guys in IT looking to advance your career, something a bit less of being a slave for a company in IT is to cross over to Project Management and look into getting your PMP. If you have 5 yrs experience you can take the test. There's many courses for it, some shared on here. I keep putting it off, but at this point, not sure if I can still go after it as my time frame may of expired.

But there's dudes making $90+ an hour in Project Management, so if you looking for a change consider it. Personally at times in the past, loved IT, but hated having 15 bosses and all playing against each other. I was running a 500 user environment over 12 offices globally. We barely outsourced anything. Was just me and another dude. Learned a lot back then, but was 24/7 on call basically and traveled alot. So wish I did PMP but had my own businesses making good paper til recession hit me...

That's interesting I am going to be looking into the PMP after I get my cloud security knowledge up.
 

gman4gov

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Don't sleep on VMWare as well. I've been working in the IT industry for around 10 years and it changes quickly. I've been looking at CISSP certification, but I'm not looking forward to reading a 1140 page book with the little time I have.
 

rebel

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i'm in infosec...

we should start utilizing slack as a way we can communicate. in this field or in general its good to have sound individuals that might have your best interest in mind for succeeding, we can bounce things around on each other, or drop useful resources and learn together.
 

rebel

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Don't sleep on VMWare as well. I've been working in the IT industry for around 10 years and it changes quickly. I've been looking at CISSP certification, but I'm not looking forward to reading a 1140 page book with the little time I have.
that Shon Harris book is full of filler, I recommend the CISSP Study Guide (Eric Conrad) which covers what you need to know from each domain.
 

HellBoy

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i'm in infosec...

we should start utilizing slack as a way we can communicate. in this field or in general its good to have sound individuals that might have your best interest in mind for succeeding, we can bounce things around on each other, or drop useful resources and learn together.
I was planning on dropping my security news here: http://www.blackwebmasters.com
 

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Update/Backstory: I have 17 yrs. exp. Barely passed 901 A+ with 65 hrs. studying over 12 days. I watched prof. mess vids read a couple chapters of mike myers book and practice exams. I plan to study more the second rd. Myers recommend 60 hrs. min.
 

MrSid

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Update/Backstory: I have 17 yrs. exp. Barely passed 901 A+ with 65 hrs. studying over 12 days. I watched prof. mess vids read a couple chapters of mike myers book and practice exams. I plan to study more the second rd. Myers recommend 60 hrs. min.
I hate saying this but I will . Go and cram that test , and then go write it . Experience is what you need . Practice practice practice.
 

MrSid

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Don't sleep on VMWare as well. I've been working in the IT industry for around 10 years and it changes quickly. I've been looking at CISSP certification, but I'm not looking forward to reading a 1140 page book with the little time I have.
Open stack . Master this and walk into Dev ops . VMware is just another visor , don't get locked in . Kemu , Zen , HyperV , Esxi they is loads of them .
 

Venom

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After A+ the traditional order is Network+ and Security+. Should Apple Macintosh Technician and Itil V.3 be last? Which would get me paid faster? Itil or Network+?
 

camdion1

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After A+ the traditional order is Network+ and Security+. Should Apple Macintosh Technician and Itil V.3 be last? Which would get me paid faster? Itil or Network+?
ITIL is a management cert some companies require for basic knowledge of service agreement. Network+ will get you in at entry level networking. After Network+ you should work on CCNA and other advanced certs.
 
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