BGOL ETHICS: Is Batman just as GUILTY for letting Joker live?

[playahaitian]

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We all know the Batman has a moral code and he does not kill or use guns. And that essentially The Joker's main goal is to make Batman kill him so that he breaks that code and he gets the last laugh.

However by NOT killing the Joker and allowing him to live escape and kill again and again...

isn't the hundreds of lives lost rest on Batman's head?

The Joker killed Robin crippled Batgirl and many forget that the Joker venom he uses that leaves people with that frozen smile essentially kills them.

Yet time and again Batman refuses to kill him and has STOPPED many others in the DCU from killing the Joker either.

So I wanted to ask IF Batman DOESN'T kill the Joker...

is he responsible for all the death that is caused...

and would that make Batman just as guilty as the Joker?

And do you think the Joker SHOULD be killed and would that make whoever killed him LESS of a HERO to basically becoming just as evil as the Joker himself???

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ImTheGoodGuy/news/?a=75847

http://www.comicvine.com/articles/brutally-honest-should-batman-have-killed-the-joke/1100-146077/

 

[Rocky Miavia]

Yes, he is. And he realizes it in this short film.

 

[playahaitian]

^^^^

 

[curryshotta]

Yes, he is. And he realizes it in this short film.

gonna check this out

short answer yes

If the Joker ever ran across someone like Frank Castle he would have been merked without hesitation first time he fucked up

 

["THE MAN"]

If he kills him, then he can just kill them all. My issue is with security at Arkham and the fact that he is able to use his insanity to escape a death sentence. But Yea punisher would have put an end to him ages ago.

Sent From My Galaxy S5

 

[Rocky Miavia]

gonna check this out

short answer yes

If the Joker ever ran across someone like Frank Castle he would have been merked without hesitation first time he fucked up

Yep. I own this book. Batman was fighting against Punisher to whole crossover...just to save Joker from him.

This crossover was more fitting...

 

[Dark19]

Yes

 

[RoadRage]

If he got rid of the joker, he would be put of business and reduced to fighting street criminals and handing out speeding tickets..

 

[curryshotta]

Yep. I own this book. Batman was fighting against Punisher to whole crossover...just to save Joker from him.

This crossover was more fitting...

shoot didnt even know they had something like this.....

 

[CptMARVEL]

No, because it's not his job to judge those he brings to justice. That job falls to the Gotham City penal system. If anything, it's their fault for not doing a better job of preventing The Joker from escaping Arkham Asylum or Blackgate prison. Nor is it Batman's fault that Gotham's penal system has failed to successfully execute Joker.

Batman is NOT a killer. As he repeatedly demonstrates. If he starts killing his enemies, he's no BETTER than they are.
(Unlike Superman in last years' Man of Steel movie)

 

[cartempire]

I really feel like they fucked up have superman kill I know they wanted to put some edge to the character but they jumped the shark with this one

 

["THE MAN"]

I really feel like they fucked up have superman kill I know they wanted to put some edge to the character but they jumped the shark with this one

Anyone who thinks this is ignoring the fact that Reeve's Superman killed as did Keaton's Batman.

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[kinglickk]

Batman and the joker have an agreement that keeps them both paid. In the end, the fans lose and the villain and the hero win.

 

[Mello Mello]

He is. I've always said it was Batman's fault for not taking out the Joker. He puts him in Arkham Asylum only for him to escape again and again and again. If he really cared about keeping him imprisoned why wouldn't he at least donate some of his money as Bruce Wayne to that shoddy institution making it a state of the art facility that Joker couldn't escape? And Gotham should have called for his execution long time ago. I would've thought Batmans vigilantism would've inspired someone to at least try to kill the joker.

Batman and the joker have an agreement that keeps them both paid. In the end, the fans lose and the villain and the hero win.

^^^^^^ Ultimately this is what the writers are doing.

It's Batmans arch nemesis, the bread and butter, the yin and yang of Batman comics.

 

[godofwine]

you kill evil things because they cannot be rehabilitated or contained. Their ability to manipulate and circumvent make them unfit for a jail cell due to the fact that they will offer some guard money the guard will never see to free them and then wreck hell on tbe world until they can be recaptured. Sometimes you must break your morals

 

[nofrillz]

Here is the truth
Batman is the white man wet dream.

Wayne industry the richest corporation in comic book history, IS A WEAPONS MANUFACTURING COMPANY!!!!!!

Bruce Wayne made the joker to sell guns THAT why Batman won't kill him.

 

[VAiz4hustlaz]

He snapped The Joker's neck in "The Dark Knight Returns," but in "Under the Red Hood" that evil Robin even asked him why he had not killed The Joker, and Batman said something about it would take him down a road that he couldn't return from.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

They need each other. Joker exists (as many of Batman's rogues gallery) b/c he does. Buddy gets restless when Joker ain't out wreaking havoc. True shit.

 

[LSN]

ya I had both the batman/punisher crossover joints...the marvel joint was better

 

[ron_mexico]

This pic is fire!!

 

[playahaitian]

No, because it's not his job to judge those he brings to justice. That job falls to the Gotham City penal system. If anything, it's their fault for not doing a better job of preventing The Joker from escaping Arkham Asylum or Blackgate prison. Nor is it Batman's fault that Gotham's penal system has failed to successfully execute Joker.

Batman is NOT a killer. As he repeatedly demonstrates. If he starts killing his enemies, he's no BETTER than they are.
(Unlike Superman in last years' Man of Steel movie)

If he kills him, then he can just kill them all. My issue is with security at Arkham and the fact that he is able to use his insanity to escape a death sentence. But Yea punisher would have put an end to him ages ago.

Sent From My Galaxy S5

He is. I've always said it was Batman's fault for not taking out the Joker. He puts him in Arkham Asylum only for him to escape again and again and again. If he really cared about keeping him imprisoned why wouldn't he at least donate some of his money as Bruce Wayne to that shoddy institution making it a state of the art facility that Joker couldn't escape? And Gotham should have called for his execution long time ago. I would've thought Batmans vigilantism would've inspired someone to at least try to kill the joker.




^^^^^^ Ultimately this is what the writers are doing.

It's Batmans arch nemesis, the bread and butter, the yin and yang of Batman comics.

you kill evil things because they cannot be rehabilitated or contained. Their ability to manipulate and circumvent make them unfit for a jail cell due to the fact that they will offer some guard money the guard will never see to free them and then wreck hell on tbe world until they can be recaptured. Sometimes you must break your morals

He snapped The Joker's neck in "The Dark Knight Returns," but in "Under the Red Hood" that evil Robin even asked him why he had not killed The Joker, and Batman said something about it would take him down a road that he couldn't return from.

I've read all the explanations that Batman has given and it all amounts to the same.

Batman would lose his moral center and if he did that then he could do it again and aain and he would be JUST like the Joker.

I disagree.

I aint saying kill EVERYONE.

JUST the Joker...the absolute worst.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

no.

Bats is already a crazy motherfucker. once HE goes down that path there is no return.

he'd be killing folks for jaywalking eventually.

 

[Piff504]

Here is the truth
Batman is the white man wet dream.

Wayne industry the richest corporation in comic book history, IS A WEAPONS MANUFACTURING COMPANY!!!!!!

Bruce Wayne made the joker to sell guns THAT why Batman won't kill him.

Bruce wayne doesnt make guns and dislikes them

 

[spiman22]

Good post I guess he not trying to be a killer but they still consider him a vigilante and he still puts the joker in what is consider the justice system what is corrupt and he knows this so yes he is guilty in a way which would put a mass murderer in an insane home and execute a man for killing a single man or women and he still goes by the law and they can kill but he can't and he is ok with it.

 

[playahaitian]

Bruce wayne doesnt make guns and dislikes them

^^^^

yup you confusing him with Tony Stark

Wayne actually started Batman Inc and put a version in every major country including parts of Africa (Batwing).

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

no.

Bats is already a crazy motherfucker. once HE goes down that path there is no return.

he'd be killing folks for jaywalking eventually.

Anyone that has read Jim Lee's Batman and Robin would see that Batman walks a REAL thin line. If anything he's worse than the criminals he hunts because he was setting niggas on fire and breaking bones to make them suffer.

 

[Flawless]

He is just a rich spoiled kid, he has to keep the bad guys alive so he has someone to play with. How many dirty politicians have you heard batman arresting?

 

[Dark19]

Killed Him Then....Killed Him Now

 

[Z MONSTER]

The Joker explains why Batman will not kill him in this.

 

[mnstrmouf]

No, because it's not his job to judge those he brings to justice. That job falls to the Gotham City penal system. If anything, it's their fault for not doing a better job of preventing The Joker from escaping Arkham Asylum or Blackgate prison. Nor is it Batman's fault that Gotham's penal system has failed to successfully execute Joker.

Batman is NOT a killer. As he repeatedly demonstrates. If he starts killing his enemies, he's no BETTER than they are.
(Unlike Superman in last years' Man of Steel movie)

drags thread out....
this is another argument. superman KNEW he was the only one who COULD kill zod, and what would happen if he didnt. the joker and batman are just normal people, so I kind of feel the argument that the penal system is at least partly to blame

 

[blackras9]

I've read all the explanations that Batman has given and it all amounts to the same.

Batman would lose his moral center and if he did that then he could do it again and aain and he would be JUST like the Joker.

I disagree.

I aint saying kill EVERYONE.

JUST the Joker...the absolute worst.

That's Jason Todd's reasoning but what happens when you decide it's ok to start playing God? Public opinion would say there's no difference between Joker and Batman since they're both costumed killers with different ideologies.

 

[playahaitian]

That's Jason Todd's reasoning but what happens when you decide it's ok to start playing God? Public opinion would say there's no difference between Joker and Batman since they're both costumed killers with different ideologies.

I understand it would be a slippery slope because many of Batman''s rogues gallery are mass murderers.

However I assume then since Batman is so loyal to the justice system that he DOESN'T believe in capital punishment in ANY form.

So if Gotham instituted the DEATH PENALTY would he STOP them from killing the Joker (and other tried and convicted criminals) THEN?

 

[blackras9]

I understand it would be a slippery slope because many of Batman''s rogues gallery are mass murderers.

However I assume then since Batman is so loyal to the justice system that he DOESN'T believe in capital punishment in ANY form.

So if Gotham instituted the DEATH PENALTY would he STOP them from killing the Joker (and other tried and convicted criminals) THEN?

That should be a good story to write. Don't think DC would tackle the issue though.

 

[Alphachino]

its arkhams fault not his. every guard and administration in that revolving door is the problem not batman.

 

[playahaitian]

That should be a good story to write. Don't think DC would tackle the issue though.

Hmmmmmmm?