Why is anyone surprised?
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The only way I see the results changing is if they give Max a time penalty for passing Lewis behind the safety car. From
The cockpit camera it looks like he did, but we need to have a view from the top, showing the front wings. The unlap protest is a slam dunk by the wording, but is the FIA’s own incompetence that caused that so I doubt their going admitted the influence the result.
The cockpit camera it looks like he did, but we need to have a view from the top, showing the front wings. The unlap protest is a slam dunk by the wording, but is the FIA’s own incompetence that caused that so I doubt their going admitted the influence the result.
Brothers, who is this on the British feed, giving what ammounts to a homily in front of stained glass?
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The decision today was to allow the theoretical 2nd place car that is stuck behind lapped cars in a safety car situation to move forward to gain position in the closing laps of a race, will this be the norm for next season? Masi, set a precedent for next race and those following, what will be his ruling if a team decided to do the same Red Bull was allowed to do today and the Stewards penalized them for doing the same. He opened a can or worms that can not be contained.
Brothers, who is this on the British feed, giving what ammounts to a homily in front of stained glass?
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Of course. Thank you. I had Linton Kawesi on my mind. But I knew its wasn't him. Couldn't think of another name. Appreciate it.
Not really. There’s no can of worms. The shit simply indefensible. He literally only let the 5 cars in front Max go ahead. What rationale can he come up with? “For the racing” is not one. Masi fucked up majorly.
They just dismissed the overtaking under safety car protest, which I figured was a slim chance. They said Max did pass Lewis for a short time, but since he was back behind Lewis when they crossed the start line it didn’t have a lasting effect.
All down to the restart call then. I just read that if cars are allowed to unlap themselves they have to be given one lap to catch up to the pack. So clearly Masi didn’t wait for that and only allowed 5 cars to unlap which goes against the wording to let “any car” unlap themselves. The restart protest is clear cut, mark my words they’ll find solution to say they were wrong, but Max keeps his place.
All down to the restart call then. I just read that if cars are allowed to unlap themselves they have to be given one lap to catch up to the pack. So clearly Masi didn’t wait for that and only allowed 5 cars to unlap which goes against the wording to let “any car” unlap themselves. The restart protest is clear cut, mark my words they’ll find solution to say they were wrong, but Max keeps his place.
Article 48.12 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations" regarding lapped cars overtaking under the Safety Car –
Breaking a rule set by the FIA, which Masi being the race director of F1 violated by given the green light to Red Bull to disregard a rule like that will bite him in the ass.
Like I said, Mercedes will be going to court. The stewards aren’t going to rule against the FIA. These muthafucka ruled that the racing director can do what he wants with the safety car therefore calling it in when he did although the rules states after being released the lapped cars have return to the pack on one more lap.
They wanted this CAC to win like no other.
They wanted this CAC to win like no other.
The way the F1 is rigged against Hamilton, I was expecting to see a police car pull LewisHamilton over during the race and ask to see his license and registration to give Verstappen a chance to close the gap. Absolutely rigged. Complete shame. Shambles
FIA is not going over turn the outcome, what comes from it is for future races in the same situation which is common. Masi provided the ground work that a team can over take lapped cars during a yellow and argue in favor why they did it. They can argue the Let them Race rule..
He said this mid race in the video I posted. You know how bad something has to be for cacs on f1 forums to be talking about the same shit we are on here?
Brundle: Resurfaced Masi audio "uncomfortable" for F1
Sky pundit Martin Brundle says resurfaced radio communications with Formula 1 race director Michael Masi at the Abu Dhabi GP are "uncomfortable" to hear.
Audio of a chat between Masi and Red Bull sporting director Jonathan Wheatley was widely circulated on social media on Wednesday, prompting fresh anger from many fans.
In the conversation that is taking place during the late-race safety car, Wheatley says: "Those lapped cars; you don't need to let them go right the way around and catch up with the back of the pack. You only need to let them go, and then we've got a motor race on our hands."
What has caused unease among many is that Wheatley's final comment appeared to have set the tone for Masi's justification of bringing the safety car in early when he was criticised post-race by Mercedes boss Toto Wolff.
Masi replied: "Toto, it's called a motor race, okay?"
While the radio chatter is not new and had been originally released by F1 in the week after the Abu Dhabi race, it had been missed by many amid the furore of the events at the time.
Interestingly, it was also only made available to the public on December 16, hours after Mercedes had elected to drop its appeal over the Abu Dhabi result so the team could not have been aware of that chat before it took its final decision.
Brundle, who was commentating on the Abu Dhabi GP, said that the renewed date the resurfaced audio prompted this week shows the level of anger there remains from fans about the FIA's handling of events.
Speaking to Sky, he said: "It's not new news, and also I think you have to understand that it's not necessarily telling Michael Masi something he didn't already know.
"Let's not assume it's giving Masi information he didn't already know in terms of what he could and couldn't do in terms of the lapped pack.
"Of course it's really uncomfortable, and a lot of people are unhappy: (Lewis) Hamilton fans, Mercedes fans.
"And you don't even have to be a Lewis Hamilton fan to think that forever he should be an eight-time world champion, because, for me, the really crucial regulation that wasn't carried out was that the safety car should have come in at the end of the following lap.
"But we also know that unwritten rules and meetings, which shouldn't supersede anything, were: let's try not to have a race finish behind the safety car.
"Hugely unacceptable. I met so many fans that were new to Formula 1 last year particularly, and fans in general, that were hugely upset by what happened."
Brundle feels that the Abu Dhabi event showed how wrong it was that teams were able to lobby race control directly to try to get events pushed their way.
"We cannot - and we know it's going to change - have teams getting at the referee while he's trying to make critical decisions with cars on the track and marshals and breakdown vehicles," he added.
"The car was on fire at certain times. He's trying to manage that and he's getting lobbied left, right and centre. You can imagine that on the football ground or rugby ground is completely unacceptable. And that will change.
"It's not pretty for Formula 1 at all, but I don't think this audio changes the really uncomfortable narrative of what happened."
The FIA is due to present the findings of its investigation into the events of Abu Dhabi to the F1 Commission on Monday.
It is also expected to propose changes to the FIA race control structure and rules to ensure there are no repeated errors in the future.
Masi's position remains unclear and the FIA has admitted that he could be replaced for the 2022 season.
Brundle thinks it is difficult for the Australian to continue in his role, because of the extreme scrutiny he would be put under for every decision made about Hamilton.
"I made a comment that changing Michael Masi won't fix the problem, meaning that it's way too big a job for one person," he said.
"That doesn't mean to say I'm in full support for Michael Masi. I think he'll struggle to keep that position.
"The trouble is that the spotlight will be on him, and every single decision will be analysed.
"What happens if Lewis is up for a penalty? Will he be lenient on that? I think he's in an untenable situation."
Sky pundit Martin Brundle says resurfaced radio communications with Formula 1 race director Michael Masi at the Abu Dhabi GP are "uncomfortable" to hear.
Audio of a chat between Masi and Red Bull sporting director Jonathan Wheatley was widely circulated on social media on Wednesday, prompting fresh anger from many fans.
In the conversation that is taking place during the late-race safety car, Wheatley says: "Those lapped cars; you don't need to let them go right the way around and catch up with the back of the pack. You only need to let them go, and then we've got a motor race on our hands."
What has caused unease among many is that Wheatley's final comment appeared to have set the tone for Masi's justification of bringing the safety car in early when he was criticised post-race by Mercedes boss Toto Wolff.
Masi replied: "Toto, it's called a motor race, okay?"
While the radio chatter is not new and had been originally released by F1 in the week after the Abu Dhabi race, it had been missed by many amid the furore of the events at the time.
Interestingly, it was also only made available to the public on December 16, hours after Mercedes had elected to drop its appeal over the Abu Dhabi result so the team could not have been aware of that chat before it took its final decision.
Brundle, who was commentating on the Abu Dhabi GP, said that the renewed date the resurfaced audio prompted this week shows the level of anger there remains from fans about the FIA's handling of events.
Speaking to Sky, he said: "It's not new news, and also I think you have to understand that it's not necessarily telling Michael Masi something he didn't already know.
"Let's not assume it's giving Masi information he didn't already know in terms of what he could and couldn't do in terms of the lapped pack.
"Of course it's really uncomfortable, and a lot of people are unhappy: (Lewis) Hamilton fans, Mercedes fans.
"And you don't even have to be a Lewis Hamilton fan to think that forever he should be an eight-time world champion, because, for me, the really crucial regulation that wasn't carried out was that the safety car should have come in at the end of the following lap.
"But we also know that unwritten rules and meetings, which shouldn't supersede anything, were: let's try not to have a race finish behind the safety car.
"Hugely unacceptable. I met so many fans that were new to Formula 1 last year particularly, and fans in general, that were hugely upset by what happened."
Brundle feels that the Abu Dhabi event showed how wrong it was that teams were able to lobby race control directly to try to get events pushed their way.
"We cannot - and we know it's going to change - have teams getting at the referee while he's trying to make critical decisions with cars on the track and marshals and breakdown vehicles," he added.
"The car was on fire at certain times. He's trying to manage that and he's getting lobbied left, right and centre. You can imagine that on the football ground or rugby ground is completely unacceptable. And that will change.
"It's not pretty for Formula 1 at all, but I don't think this audio changes the really uncomfortable narrative of what happened."
The FIA is due to present the findings of its investigation into the events of Abu Dhabi to the F1 Commission on Monday.
It is also expected to propose changes to the FIA race control structure and rules to ensure there are no repeated errors in the future.
Masi's position remains unclear and the FIA has admitted that he could be replaced for the 2022 season.
Brundle thinks it is difficult for the Australian to continue in his role, because of the extreme scrutiny he would be put under for every decision made about Hamilton.
"I made a comment that changing Michael Masi won't fix the problem, meaning that it's way too big a job for one person," he said.
"That doesn't mean to say I'm in full support for Michael Masi. I think he'll struggle to keep that position.
"The trouble is that the spotlight will be on him, and every single decision will be analysed.
"What happens if Lewis is up for a penalty? Will he be lenient on that? I think he's in an untenable situation."
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Hulkenberg and Magneson are back! We are definitely getting a crash for the season opener.Damn,
Hulkenberg replaces Vettel in Bahrain after positive COVID-19 test
I suspect it’s gonna be a lot of people going off track with these new cars. Teams haven’t dialed those cars yet.
One thing for sure is that Toro Rosso was in cahoots with redbull to slow down Mercedes, and the other teams did not put up any fight against Max over taking them, yet Hamilton took them all on with no support from his team mate. I hope Russell knows his place like Checo does and does not race against Hamilton.