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BGOL THEORY: Checkers Vs. Chess

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* The last few years a common phrase used is that you should be playing checkers not chess...

the point usually being that chess is a game that needs its players to plan multiple moves ahead to be successful as opposed to checkers which is is for some reason defined as just a series of rapid quick thinking reactionary moves.

while I always understood the thought process...

is this an accurate assessment?

First off is checkers REALLY that simple to play and master?

In business and in life couldn't the ability to make quick decisions after seeing the entire field and make assessments on the fly a valuable skill also?

 
shanebp1978 said:
I've got into fights over Chess.

Do the math.
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I can't front I haven't played in chess years and YES dudes get very emotional over a loss but what I'm saying is checkers may be a simple game to learn/ play but I have seen some REAL skill and more experienced players straight EMBARRASS competition on a checker board.

Again this is just a fun debate...

All I'm saying is that many of the qualities that make someone a good player at checkers could be applied in real life also.

And I have seen chess player COMPLETELY out think themselves out of a win
 
Attacking an issue or a subject and dealing with an immediate problem is a checkers move as opposed to seeing the big picture and examining the consequences from your actions then weighing if the outcome is indeed better than the original problem.
A example of this would be a man getting upset of a ally cat meowing at nights keeping him up, and in his rage, decides to kill them all, only to be kept up during the following weeks from the noises of the thousands of rats that overtook his back yard..
This is what gets many of our younger youth in trouble especially when it relates to gang violence, where often their main course of action is to ride on their enemies, retaliation for a injustice or disrespect to their set, not knowing that by doing so their actions may result in a gang war that can linger on for decades, resulting in the death of hundreds of their comrades.
Generally speaking using common sense or simple solutions for complexed problems is looked upon as thinking in checkers while deep thinking before action or talking, is viewed as chess..
As a rule older guys are much more deeper thinkers due to years of experience and understanding how simple problems may be much more compelled than they appear.. This is why its important for younger guys to learn from their elders the way their elders had to learn from the elders when they were young..
 
Also once you really get into chess and start to master it, checkers feels almost like tick tac toe... I remember really being into chess, and refusing to play this girl, who was nice in checkers, only because the game bored me..
when we finally played I beat her by locker her down and her not being able to move..
I don't think she lost more than two pieces in that game..
In my opinion if two chess masters were to play checkers the game would end that way every time, with the guy who moved first winning...
 
Checkers used to be my shit,until I started playing chess again,a few years ago...I don't think I played a game of checkers since....:smh::smh::smh::smh:
 
Like I said I haven't played in years...
but I heard so many people using this comparsion, who either don't play actually play chess or apply the principles these idea is showcasing in their actual lives.

Thought it was an interesting topic to dissect because there COULD be some value in actually playing checkets in some situations.
 
Chess derives most of its complexity through differentiated pieces; with checkers the complexity comes from the interaction between pieces. The result is a series of elegant graph problems where the viable paths change with each move of your opponent. To draw an analogy with chess, imagine if moving your knight could allow your opponent’s bishop to move like a rook. Add to that the potential for traps and manipulation that come with forced capture and you have one of the most remarkable games of all time.

It’s not unusual to hear masters of both chess and checkers to admit that they prefer the latter. So why does chess get all the respect? Why do you never see a criminal mastermind or a Bond villain playing in a checkers tournament?

Part of the problem is that we learn the game as children so we tend to think of it as a children’s game. We focus on how simple the rules are and miss how much complexity and subtlety you can get out of those rules.

~ Mark Palko
 
Yet to calculate is not in itself to analyze.

A chess-player, for example, does the one without effort at the other. It follows that the game of chess, in its effects upon mental character, is greatly misunderstood. I am not now writing a treatise, but simply prefacing a somewhat peculiar narrative by observations very much at random; I will, therefore, take occasion to assert that the higher powers of the reflective intellect are more decidedly and more usefully tasked by the unostentatious game of checkers than by all the elaborate frivolity of chess.

In this latter, where the pieces have different and bizarre motions, with various and variable values, what is only complex is mistaken (a not unusual error) for what is profound. The attention is here called powerfully into play. If it flag for an instant, an oversight is committed, resulting in injury or defeat. The possible moves being not only manifold but involute, the chances of such oversights are multiplied; and in nine cases out of ten it is the more concentrative rather than the more acute player who conquers.

In checkers, on the contrary, where the moves are unique and have but little variation, the probabilities of inadvertence are diminished, and the mere attention being left comparatively what advantages are obtained by either party are obtained by superior acumen.

~ Edgar Allan Poe -- "The Murders in the Rue Morgue"
 
Uncontainable_Spirit said:
Chess derives most of its complexity through differentiated pieces; with checkers the complexity comes from the interaction between pieces. The result is a series of elegant graph problems where the viable paths change with each move of your opponent. To draw an analogy with chess, imagine if moving your knight could allow your opponent’s bishop to move like a rook. Add to that the potential for traps and manipulation that come with forced capture and you have one of the most remarkable games of all time.

It’s not unusual to hear masters of both chess and checkers to admit that they prefer the latter. So why does chess get all the respect? Why do you never see a criminal mastermind or a Bond villain playing in a checkers tournament?

Part of the problem is that we learn the game as children so we tend to think of it as a children’s game. We focus on how simple the rules are and miss how much complexity and subtlety you can get out of those rules.

~ Mark Palko
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Uncontainable_Spirit said:
Yet to calculate is not in itself to analyze.

A chess-player, for example, does the one without effort at the other. It follows that the game of chess, in its effects upon mental character, is greatly misunderstood. I am not now writing a treatise, but simply prefacing a somewhat peculiar narrative by observations very much at random; I will, therefore, take occasion to assert that the higher powers of the reflective intellect are more decidedly and more usefully tasked by the unostentatious game of checkers than by all the elaborate frivolity of chess.

In this latter, where the pieces have different and bizarre motions, with various and variable values, what is only complex is mistaken (a not unusual error) for what is profound. The attention is here called powerfully into play. If it flag for an instant, an oversight is committed, resulting in injury or defeat. The possible moves being not only manifold but involute, the chances of such oversights are multiplied; and in nine cases out of ten it is the more concentrative rather than the more acute player who conquers.

In checkers, on the contrary, where the moves are unique and have but little variation, the probabilities of inadvertence are diminished, and the mere attention being left comparatively what advantages are obtained by either party are obtained by superior acumen.

~ Edgar Allan Poe -- "The Murders in the Rue Morgue"
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Thanks
 
No worries.

Checkers is described as narrow yet deep.
Chess is described as broad yet deep.

There is another game that is a whole different beast. It's called GO. If you're a fan of strategy board games then GO is a different animal altogether.
 
Uncontainable_Spirit said:
No worries.

Checkers is described as narrow yet deep.
Chess is described as broad yet deep.

There is another game that is a whole different beast. It's called GO. If you're a fan of strategy board games then GO is a different animal altogether.
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^^^^

interesting descriptions..

I got to check out GO now....
 
shanebp1978 said:
I've got into fights over Chess.

Do the math.
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Same here.

Chess becomes very personal.

OP chess is a subtle form of dominance over your opponent. I guess with any board game this can be true but chess is held in such high regard it just carries a different weight to its game play than other board gamers. Perhaps because it's canonized like literature is.

The reason I think checkers gets looked down upon is it requires less strategizing to win. It's easy anyone can win if you make the right jumps.

However, chess adds a whole new level of responsibility to the game play. All the chess pieces move differently so you have to do more thinking and strategizing to overcome your opponent there is a different level of respect for his strategy as well. Not everyone can win a game of chess so easy as checkers.

But I like and agree with what you say about checkers the quick thinking and assessment moves are valuable. But chess slows all that down because quick moves can mean quick consequences that can take you out the game. You can't approach your opponent with the same checker strategy in chess it wouldn't end well.
 
Uncontainable_Spirit said:
Chess derives most of its complexity through differentiated pieces; with checkers the complexity comes from the interaction between pieces. The result is a series of elegant graph problems where the viable paths change with each move of your opponent. To draw an analogy with chess, imagine if moving your knight could allow your opponent’s bishop to move like a rook. Add to that the potential for traps and manipulation that come with forced capture and you have one of the most remarkable games of all time.

It’s not unusual to hear masters of both chess and checkers to admit that they prefer the latter. So why does chess get all the respect? Why do you never see a criminal mastermind or a Bond villain playing in a checkers tournament?

Part of the problem is that we learn the game as children so we tend to think of it as a children’s game. We focus on how simple the rules are and miss how much complexity and subtlety you can get out of those rules.

~ Mark Palko
Click to expand...

Uncontainable_Spirit said:
Yet to calculate is not in itself to analyze.

A chess-player, for example, does the one without effort at the other. It follows that the game of chess, in its effects upon mental character, is greatly misunderstood. I am not now writing a treatise, but simply prefacing a somewhat peculiar narrative by observations very much at random; I will, therefore, take occasion to assert that the higher powers of the reflective intellect are more decidedly and more usefully tasked by the unostentatious game of checkers than by all the elaborate frivolity of chess.

In this latter, where the pieces have different and bizarre motions, with various and variable values, what is only complex is mistaken (a not unusual error) for what is profound. The attention is here called powerfully into play. If it flag for an instant, an oversight is committed, resulting in injury or defeat. The possible moves being not only manifold but involute, the chances of such oversights are multiplied; and in nine cases out of ten it is the more concentrative rather than the more acute player who conquers.

In checkers, on the contrary, where the moves are unique and have but little variation, the probabilities of inadvertence are diminished, and the mere attention being left comparatively what advantages are obtained by either party are obtained by superior acumen.

~ Edgar Allan Poe -- "The Murders in the Rue Morgue"
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Indeed.
 
Chess = mental kung fu a sport you have to really train in order to get nice, checkers is more of a board game.
 
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I thought it was because in chess you can fuck up over and over again and still win but in checkers, 2 or 3 bad moves and it's game over for that ass.....:rolleyes:
 
Famous1 said:
I thought it was because in chess you can fuck up over and over again and still win but in checkers, 2 or 3 bad moves and it's game over for that ass.....:rolleyes:
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Man in chess you could make all the right moves and still get lit the fuck up, due to your opponent having a better game.. When you get to a certain level there are very few mistakes or blunders, and the games are won/lost based on skill set.
Like I said before, I played a chick in checkers (for the first time in years) with no stratergy at all, other than to lock down the board the same way I would play my pawns, home girl didn't have a chance andher 12 game winning streak was over with my taking two of her pieces.
 
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Uncontainable_Spirit said:
No worries.

Checkers is described as narrow yet deep.
Chess is described as broad yet deep.

There is another game that is a whole different beast. It's called GO. If you're a fan of strategy board games then GO is a different animal altogether.
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Don't forget about Shogi..Im trying to teach myself that game...
 
You double jumpin ass niggas still play checkers?

Didn't denzel tell you niggus back In 2001?

" I'm playing him son"

That's what Shane is talking about
 
Man I used to think I was nice until I started playing against these NIgerian kats who used to read books on the game and memorized different opening moves like (Giuoco Piano ) and others.. If you fall for their trap you would be fucked, even though you'd be swearing that you are winning due to you having such a advantage, but after their plan starts unfolding you realize that the easiest way to lose to a master is by him properly sacrificing his pieces at the start so they can be in the proper position to finish you off later on..
After understanding how this is carried out, I was able to understand how the white man thinks when he lays down plans.
Often us blacks think short term and if we cant see shit doing down in a few years we stop thinking about it, but with them they plan at least 25 years in advanced taking their time and about time we realize whats happening we are 15 years behind the 8 ball.
A typical chess move the white man does, is sell you guns at an inflated prices, and in our minds we are knuckling up getting ready for them, but in reality, they are selling us obsolete weapons at 3x mark up prices, allowing them to then purchase newer more relevant weapons for the same price..
A typical checker move is us comparing where we are in comparison to where we was 40 years ago, and using that as a benchmark for our progress, when in reality the caboose car moves forward but as long as the engine is pulling the caboose, it would never gain ground let alone surpass the engine car.
long as we are willing to go for the ride we would always be pulling up the rear but as soon as we open our eyes and see the big picture then and only then would we have the chance of determining our own fate by riding down our own path.. Thats a chess move!!!
To me pulling your own weight no matter how slow >>>>>> going for the ride, no matter how fast. With us we want to surpass the engine car but refuse to get off the ride and drive ourselves.
 
I actually created a BGOL group on Chess with Friends, find it and enter. Just started back playing and getting murdered every other game. Someone said its personal and it is. I have a way better day when Im winning when Im losing Im like damn I gotta get my life together lol.
 

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