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Charlemagne: DEI is garbage

xxxbishopxxx said:
You still haven't explained how exactly white folks have been hurt by it and why do they constantly put a black face on it if only affects non black poc and women.

My issue with getting rid of DEI has more to do with the after effects. The attacks are already being spread to outside areas. A prominent black female businesses organization was sued for being racist against white people. And guess what? The lawsuit is being spear headed by the same folk who took the college admissions challenge to the Supreme Court.


Then there was this:
www.usatoday.com

Minority-owned business agency discriminated against white people, federal judge says

A federal judge ruled Tuesday that a government agency created to boost minority-owned businesses must serve all business owners, regardless of race.
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The black farmers who were supposed to get Reperations for what they went through,got sued under the guise of racism.

If you think this shit will stop as soon as whitey is allowed to hire all his white friends in peace, you are dilusional as fuck.
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Damn you broke that shit down :yes:
 
peterlongshort said:
DEI is the new BLM. Shit for gay people. Black men, not so much.
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Its for qualified black people.

I know plenty of black men who were qualified and have ate off of DEI in companies.

Is the problem really not every dick, tom, and harry off the street arent getting fed off of just being black alone?
 
Chiyo said:
Its for qualified black people.

I know plenty of black men who were qualified and have ate off of DEI in companies.

Is the problem really not every dick, tom, and harry off the street arent getting fed off of just being black alone?
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Why do yall go back and forth with cowards? These posters aren’t ignorant. You can remedy ignorance with facts and information. You can’t fix pussy.
 
Big Tex said:
A few years back, I was contacted by a diversity professional at Google to apply for a position there. Google has a notoriously difficult test to get into their tech org. She didn't say I didn't have to be qualified, or that I didn't have to pass their test, but what she did do was send me some documentation on what they were looking for from people taking the test, and if I was interested in applying, she would personally introduce me to the hiring manager.

I ultimately decided to stay at my job at the time.

But I wasn't going to be handed a job, I still had to be qualified, but their DEI program was going to get me out of the resume pile and get me an introduction with the person doing the hiring.

So, yeah, these DEI programs CAN help Black people.
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Right on.
 
Yeah I’ve definitely seen it work at my job. DEI council made up of staff, new hiring policies, and actually implementing hiring practices to have more diversity on the leadership team.

We have monthly speakers that speak on all aspects of diversity.

Hell last month we had a speaker that did a presentation on Seeing and Being your true self. Using mindfulness and Afrikan Culuture to reduce the negative effects of stress and that shit was amazing.





If the CEO and leadership don’t think it’s important, they won’t make it a focus, but the real ones know the importance of incorporating DEI policies.

But again I work for an organization that has been championing the government and health care organizations for years to push for social determinants of health as a way to improve healthcare outcomes so it’s no surprise they are focused on DEI initiatives.
 
The thing I hate most about his way of thinking is "if it doesn't solve every problem, it's garbage"

Companies spending on DEI programs costs us nothing. And if it helps even a single Black person, it's well worth it.

And as for backlash, I have news for him, racists already think Black people aren't qualified to be anything but slaves, DEI or not.
 
Big Tex said:
A few years back, I was contacted by a diversity professional at Google to apply for a position there. Google has a notoriously difficult test to get into their tech org. She didn't say I didn't have to be qualified, or that I didn't have to pass their test, but what she did do was send me some documentation on what they were looking for from people taking the test, and if I was interested in applying, she would personally introduce me to the hiring manager.

I ultimately decided to stay at my job at the time.

But I wasn't going to be handed a job, I still had to be qualified, but their DEI program was going to get me out of the resume pile and get me an introduction with the person doing the hiring.

So, yeah, these DEI programs CAN help Black people.
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And for the folks who get in this is life, and community, changing.

Giving qualified people a shot. Thats all DEI is.
 
Big Tex said:
A few years back, I was contacted by a diversity professional at Google to apply for a position there. Google has a notoriously difficult test to get into their tech org. She didn't say I didn't have to be qualified, or that I didn't have to pass their test, but what she did do was send me some documentation on what they were looking for from people taking the test, and if I was interested in applying, she would personally introduce me to the hiring manager.

I ultimately decided to stay at my job at the time.

But I wasn't going to be handed a job, I still had to be qualified, but their DEI program was going to get me out of the resume pile and get me an introduction with the person doing the hiring.

So, yeah, these DEI programs CAN help Black people.
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It’s interesting you mentioned Google because I’ve noticed tech companies like Google, Microsoft, and Sales Force seem to always have a DEI division to recruit more diverse candidates.

I’ve also noticed these organizations pour resources and money into organizations to promote STEM careers with high school kids. I know when I was mentoring with the 100, we had Microsoft staff work with our kids on various projects usually for like 2-3 months during the spring time.
It’s a win win for these companies because they are able to tap into a new talent pool and create a pipeline of staff to work with them.
 
Chiyo said:
And for the folks who get in this is life, and community, changing.

Giving qualified people a shot. Thats all DEI is.
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Yup and it’s actually a win win for Us and businesses.

It’s been proven and shown when you have a diverse staff from the C-Suite, on the Board, and working staff, most companies are successful.

Progressive and forward thinking companies know the significance of DEI policies across the board.
 
DC_Dude said:
It’s interesting you mentioned Google because I’ve noticed tech companies like Google, Microsoft, and Sales Force seem to always have a DEI division to recruit more diverse candidates.

I’ve also noticed these organizations pour resources and money into organizations to promote STEM careers with high school kids. I know when I was mentoring with the 100, we had Microsoft staff work with our kids on various projects usually for like 2-3 months during the spring time.
It’s a win win for these companies because they are able to tap into a new talent pool and create a pipeline of staff to work with them.
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Yep at Microsoft we call it TEALS. We work with high schools to teach kids, usually in minority schools, computer science principles and what jobs are available. I've worked with schools both locally here in Atlanta and in Brooklyn https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/teals
 
Chiyo said:
Its for qualified black people.

I know plenty of black men who were qualified and have ate off of DEI in companies.

Is the problem really not every dick, tom, and harry off the street arent getting fed off of just being black alone?
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I don't know any black men that have won off that shit. Contracts are being pulled back. I've seen them. If you want to help a black owned business find a black man. He's gonna fight back because that's how he got to the table.
 
peterlongshort said:
I don't know any black men that have won off that shit. Contracts are being pulled back. I've seen them. If you want to help a black owned business find a black man. He's gonna fight back because that's how he got to the table.
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Just because you havent seen it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. Thats republican talk when they bring out someone like Office Tatum when black people are protesting police violence to say:

"No black people I know have been victims of police brutality"

The fact that white conservatives have attacked it so harshly should let you know somebody is being helped by it.
 
Chiyo said:
Im backend, but I do a little of everything as do most seniors in bigger companies. Its oversaturated for sure, but if any of them spent considerable time making good money and saved then they should be in a good spot for whatever they do next. I didnt join a big tech company until the middle of Covid and today am sitting on over 300k in RSU. Jobs at the high level should be viewed like NFL players view their jobs. You are in it for a short time, and the vast majority of your time will be spent doing other things for(in most cases) less money. The simple reality is in 2024 the average company is not going to pay someone working on CRUD apps or databases 300k+ and they certainly wont pay a recruiter 200k+.

It wasnt called DEI, but it was pretty much that though. I mean you cant tell me any other reason big law firms would hire the top at a tier 3 law school like Howard, but not the top from another tier 3 school in DC. The DEI initiatives is just putting a name(and some action) on something that a few industries were already doing.
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Good points, thank you.
A friend of mine communicated an interesting experience that is relatable to your last point. Last year, he attended a holiday party for his wife's Law firm. At the dinner, multiple Partners at the firm struck up conversations with him asking about any cases he had been working on, thinking he was an attorney at the firm. His wife is white, an attorney,had been working her ass off for years hoping for a promotion, but never spoke to any of the Partners before.
Dota said:
Let's just admit that those huge tech companies are running leaner because they over hired during the pandemic. It's hard to maintain so many $300k positions for example that Amazon was promoting and keep stock prices up (thank God I didn't jump on that set up ship). At the same time Amazon is notorious trimming the bottom 10% of performers no matter if they're super talented. What I do see an issue in is their recruiting process. I've never known those FAANG companies having direct pipelines at HBCUs for example. Talent is there but if talent never gets in the door from the start it will always be an uphill battle.
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Pandemic hiring is a big one. Another is that Tech has alot of cash and battled for talent. They offered cash and crazy incentives just to attract talent without really evaluating how useful each employee was. Tech culture was embedded with the idea that the companies with the most talent would be the most successful. This culture gave the perception that the employees had the leverage. Just a few years ago, employees were demanding to work from home. Elon Musk was a catalyst for reversing this trend. When he bought Twitter and laid off such a large percentage of the staff, other Tech companies saw that their efficiencies weren't reduced at the same rate as their reduction in headcount. If you really want to see angry and entitled CACs, visit the r/layoffs subreddit. It is filled with CACs who have been laid off from Tech for 6 months to a year that are lashing out on everyone from Indian H1B1 visa Tech workers to the government. Many of them are looking into alternative work including the trades.
 
peterlongshort said:
DEI is the new BLM. Shit for gay people. Black men, not so much.
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Yep. BLM is another example of a solution supported by CACs that Black folks did not ask for and did not produce tangible benefits. The same CACs with BLM flags on their lawns are the same CACs that will say that reperations are unfair.
 
Charlecoon is so out of his depth when discussing politics. He's flat out ignorant and uninformed. And yet, cacs have made him some sort of authority or thought leader. It is absurd. A fucking clown.

Man never told a lie
 
^SpiderMan^ said:
Yep. BLM is another example of a solution supported by CACs that Black folks did not ask for and did not produce tangible benefits. The same CACs with BLM flags on their lawns are the same CACs that will say that reperations are unfair.
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Black Republicans use reparations as a way to serve their Republican masters in attacking every program made to help Black people. You know your Republicans will NEVER allow reparations to happen, so you can just be against Affirmative Action, DEI, police reform, etc byt claiming only reparations would be worth anything.

I know this because none of you have ever done a single thing to make reparations happen.
 
Big Tex said:
Black Republicans use reparations as a way to serve their Republican masters in attacking every program made to help Black people. You know your Republicans will NEVER allow reparations to happen, so you can just be against Affirmative Action, DEI, police reform, etc byt claiming only reparations would be worth anything.

I know this because none of you have ever done a single thing to make reparations happen.
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This is ridiculous and I am convinced that you are a CAC, a coon or just plain crazy. This is truly the most coonish post that I have read on here in recent memory.

Malcolm X, Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing, Huey Newton, The Black Panthers, Claude Anderson and multiple other Black leaders have demanded Reparations because it will actually make a difference. It isn't happening because coons like you take what these CACS give you rather than demanding what we are due. You are in every post defending Biden who told us that gays are his priority and sent millions in aid to Israel to commit war crimes against Palestinians while "studying" whether we should get reparations or not. GTFOH
 

Charlemagne: DEI is garbage

You still haven't explained how exactly white folks have been hurt by it and why do they constantly put a black face on it if only affects non black poc and women. My issue with getting rid of DEI has more to do with the after effects. The attacks are already being spread to outside areas. A...
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^SpiderMan^ said:
This is ridiculous and I am convinced that you are a CAC, a coon or just plain crazy. This is truly the most coonish post that I have read on here in recent memory.

Malcolm X, Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing, Huey Newton, The Black Panthers, Claude Anderson and multiple other Black leaders have demanded Reparations because it will actually make a difference. It isn't happening because coons like you take what these CACS give you rather than demanding what we are due. You are in every post defending Biden who told us that gays are his priority and sent millions in aid to Israel to commit war crimes against Palestinians while "studying" whether we should get reparations or not. GTFOH
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What have you done to make it happen? You yap on a porn board. If you knew anything, Biden can't pass a single law. So name me the 20 members of your beloved Republican senators that are going to vote for reparations, and show us how you're going to convince the Republican house to pass it. Until then, you just shit on the stuff that may actually be helping Black people, because your sambo ass doesn't give a single fuck about helping Black people.

So continue shitting on DEI, police reform, BLM, Affirmative Action to show us how pro Black you are, sucka.
 
Big Tex said:
What have you done to make it happen? You yap on a porn board. If you knew anything, Biden can't pass a single law. So name me the 20 members of your beloved Republican senators that are going to vote for reparations, and show us how you're going to convince the Republican house to pass it. Until then, you just shit on the stuff that may actually be helping Black people, because your sambo ass doesn't give a single fuck about helping Black people.

So continue shitting on DEI, police reform, BLM, Affirmative Action to show us how pro Black you are, sucka.
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What do you think I could and should be doing to push Reperations for Black folks? I have never voted Republican. What has DEI and BLM accomplished for Black folks? And be specific.
 
^SpiderMan^ said:
What do you think I could and should be doing to push Reperations for Black folks? I have never voted Republican. What has DEI and BLM accomplished for Black folks? And be specific.
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People in this thread have posted specific examples of how DEI has helped them, including me. You just ignore it.

And instead of using reparations as a cudgel to attack other programs, why don't you write senators and congressmen since you think reparations are possible.
 
xxxbishopxxx said:

Charlemagne: DEI is garbage

You still haven't explained how exactly white folks have been hurt by it and why do they constantly put a black face on it if only affects non black poc and women. My issue with getting rid of DEI has more to do with the after effects. The attacks are already being spread to outside areas. A...
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No SEO: OP misspelled his misspelled name
 
^SpiderMan^ said:
This is ridiculous and I am convinced that you are a CAC, a coon or just plain crazy. This is truly the most coonish post that I have read on here in recent memory.

Malcolm X, Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing, Huey Newton, The Black Panthers, Claude Anderson and multiple other Black leaders have demanded Reparations because it will actually make a difference. It isn't happening because coons like you take what these CACS give you rather than demanding what we are due. You are in every post defending Biden who told us that gays are his priority and sent millions in aid to Israel to commit war crimes against Palestinians while "studying" whether we should get reparations or not. GTFOH
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Im curious about this though. What difference do you think it would make compared to DEI initiatives or even compared to something like Affirmative action in schooling?

Has throwing money at something, socially, ever really improved it?
 

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