Che Guevara quotes on black people..

themainman said:
thats a stupid way to look at it when several people in the thread have said that they would like to learn more.
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stupid? not at all. you have several people including dr truth who came in and dropped a gem only to have some jackass attempt to shoot him down with fuckery. for those who truly want to know more... all they have to do is do a search. there are links and articles that shows che's support for blacks and the african american struggle. a good unbiased read is a book called "Che" A Revolutionary Life. the book is very long ..at least a thousand pages. it speaks on his early childhood through his death. It speaks of his greatness and his shortcomings. it was written by john lee anderson. very good read. it doesn't paint him as a saint... and it doesn't paint him as a monster.
 
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darkninja7000 said:
stupid? not at all. you have several people including dr truth who came in and dropped a gem only to have some jackass attempt to shoot him down with fuckery. for those who truly want to know more... all they have to do is do a search. there are links and articles that shows che's support for blacks and the african american struggle. a good unbiased read is a book called "Che" A Revolutionary Life. the book is very long ..at least a thousand pages. it speaks on his early childhood through his death. It speaks of his greatness and his shortcomings.
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This was the first book I ever bought off of Amazon. The big red book right? John Lee Anderson I think? Damn, it took me like 6 months to read it back then. Good ass book.
 
and on another note....if he didnt like black people.... why would he take his men and risk their lives to the congo? why would he try to start a revolution that would benefit africans?
 
darkninja7000 said:
:yes: very good book. an unbiased biography.
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I agree completely. It took a while for me to get into it but after he went on his trip through South America the book really picked up. I think it was the basis for the Soderbergh biopics if I am not mistaken. Damn, I read that book back in 2000 or 1999.
 
darkninja7000 said:
stupid? not at all. you have several people including dr truth who came in and dropped a gem only to have some jackass attempt to shoot him down with fuckery. for those who truly want to know more... all they have to do is do a search. there are links and articles that shows che's support for blacks and the african american struggle. a good unbiased read is a book called "Che" A Revolutionary Life. the book is very long ..at least a thousand pages. it speaks on his early childhood through his death. It speaks of his greatness and his shortcomings. it was written by john lee anderson. very good read. it doesn't paint him as a saint... and it doesn't paint him as a monster.
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Appreciate it. Do you know anything about the book I posted,

The African Dream: The diaries of the Revolutionary War in the Congo
 
El Pirate Del Caribe said:
I agree completely. It took a while for me to get into it but after he went on his trip through South America the book really picked up. I think it was the basis for the Soderbergh biopics if I am not mistaken. Damn, I read that book back in 2000 or 1999.
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the sad thing is a lot of the negativity against che was/is from the rich cubans that left when castro came into power.. as well as anti communist/socialists. the man was spoken highly of by malcolm x... and malcolm read a letter stating che's support of the civil rights movement and the uprising against white supremacy. yet thats not enough for some of these ass clowns. :smh:
 
MCP said:
Correct me if I'm wrong. Are you suggesting that Argentinians are descendants of the Nazi regime in Germany from the 1930 to 1940s.

Please show me proof of this.

I'm sure Argentina was well around before any Nazi came to their homeland.
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No most Original Argentinians are Actually pure Spaniard and some Italian mix, after WW2 the president was a Nazi sympathizer and racist himself and allowed ex Nazi's a free pass to escape crumbling Germany to hide in Argentina. They mixed with the population. They have a lot of Spanish, Italian and German influence. When governments go on Nazi hunts they usually go to Argentina
 
themainman said:
Appreciate it. Do you know anything about the book I posted,

The African Dream: The diaries of the Revolutionary War in the Congo
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i havent read it.. so i cant tell you its nature. but the book i posted has a chapter dedicated to the attempted revolution in the congo.

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I remember this book. I havent read it as I stated earlier... but I took some pieces from it for a thesis. he is very hard on the conglonese armies lack of discipline and is outspoken about their work ethic and belief in "DAWA" (a sort of magic that they practiced)
 
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15 day trial members should be allowed one post every 24 hours and no ability to PM or start threads.
 
This is like people saying Elvis was racist because of a alleged comment. There is so much proof of him not being racist it aint even funny. from being friends with Ali
 
darkninja7000 said:
:yes:

the sad thing is a lot of the negativity against che was/is from the rich cubans that left when castro came into power.. as well as anti communist/socialists. the man was spoken highly of by malcolm x... and malcolm read a letter stating che's support of the civil rights movement and the uprising against white supremacy. yet thats not enough for some of these ass clowns. :smh:
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that is true of damn near anything related to Cuba post-revolution - Im sure some fat white former land owner has found a way to categorize the literacy rate as a crime against humanity.
I'm so fuckin sick of Florida politics being affected by these sons of bitches. Luckily they are dying off and marny of their children are more progressive.
 
eewwll said:
But let us talk about NOW.

Have you ever been to Argentina :confused::confused::confused::confused:
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I was about to ask Doc Truth that same question. At any rate, I've been to Buenos Aires and I felt like I was the first black to discover the motherfucker. :lol: Although, it was only a night's stay I didn't encounter any issues residing there.

It's cheap as fuck down there. I spent 12 dollars in a taxi on a three hour tour of the capital. Nice shops. Beautiful women. I don't knock anyone heading down there. Couldn't find a restaurant to support that best beef in the world premise. :angry:
 
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Chiyo said:
How is argentina by far the most racist country of blacks in south america when they ended slavery like 70 years before Brazil?:hmm:

I'll take a nation believing they are europeans over a nation implying africans are inferior anyday
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But a nation believing they are Europeans already installs a racist superiority ideology. Why else wouldn't see themselves as Latinos?
 
Whatever people say about black folk should not bother us that much. Why? because their actions are the primary factor. If Mr Che said that so what, he said what he said. What should concern us is what he did after he said what he said. Non white people are still subject to this in-just system that Mr Che supposedly was fighting against. Now, my question, did he help maintain this system of oppression after he said what he said? And if he did, How and Why? RACISM IS WHITE SUPREMACY AND WHITE SUPREMACY IS RACISM. oNe!!!
 
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Good thread about time folks started discussing these topics in depth. Yes Argentina is a damn bigot's paradise, they killed all of the black men in the country's early wars. I have absolutely no desire to visit that country period. As far as Che and Castro are concerned, their still cool with me, until I get definitive info saying they hate blacks, I'm down.
 
VAiz4hustlaz said:
There are many "whites" in Latin America who are not of Spanish/Iberian origin. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a great deal of the Argentine population is of Italian origin. Brazil has a lot of Germans, e.g. Giselle Bundchen.
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Someone told me that the other day and I was like :eek: . Germans in brazil....
 
themainman said:
I see this thread shattering alot of dreams. Posters will be ripped from bedroom walls. Tshirts will be made into dustrags.
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Feeble minded niggas shoulda done that to their Obama memorabilia after he treated them like his children & gave them those numerous father like pep talks.

Oops!
got off subject.



smokedacane said:
its on the first page of the thread, it is the first audiobook posted in the thread.
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Thats how i became interested in Guevara via some of your threads.
Props to you.
I would chime in...but im really not interested.
Others are dropping good knowledge anyways.
 
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"The United States intervenes in Latin America invoking the defense of free institutions. The time will come when this Assembly will acquire greater maturity and demand of the U.S. Government guarantees for the life of the blacks and Latin Americans who live in that country, most of them U.S. citizens by origin or adoption.

Those who kill their own children and discriminate daily against them because of the color of their skin; those who let the murderers of blacks remain free, protecting them, and furthermore punishing the black population because they demand their legitimate rights as free men — how can those who do this consider themselves guardians of freedom? We understand that today the Assembly is not in a position to ask for explanations of these acts. It must be clearly established, however, that the government of the United States is not the champion of freedom, but rather the perpetrator of exploitation and oppression against the peoples of the world and against a large part of its own population. "

-Che Guevera addressing the United Nations
December 11, 1964, 19th General Assembly of the United Nations in New York.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/402426/At-the-United-Nations-Che-Guevara

Good read, he expresses his opinion on a lot of issues going on in that time that are very contrary to the quotes given in this thread.

From what I understand their were a few attempts on his life that day, just to make a speech. So he'd go on to fight along side the same people he holds so much contempt for? strange, people sure are weird.
 
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CarryOn said:
"The United States intervenes in Latin America invoking the defense of free institutions. The time will come when this Assembly will acquire greater maturity and demand of the U.S. Government guarantees for the life of the blacks and Latin Americans who live in that country, most of them U.S. citizens by origin or adoption.

Those who kill their own children and discriminate daily against them because of the color of their skin; those who let the murderers of blacks remain free, protecting them, and furthermore punishing the black population because they demand their legitimate rights as free men — how can those who do this consider themselves guardians of freedom? We understand that today the Assembly is not in a position to ask for explanations of these acts. It must be clearly established, however, that the government of the United States is not the champion of freedom, but rather the perpetrator of exploitation and oppression against the peoples of the world and against a large part of its own population. "

-Che Guevera addressing the United Nations
December 11, 1964, 19th General Assembly of the United Nations in New York.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/402426/At-the-United-Nations-Che-Guevara

Good read, he expresses his opinion on a lot of issues going on in that time that are very contrary to the quotes given in this thread.

From what I understand their were a few attempts on his life that day, just to make a speech. So he'd go on to fight along side the same people he holds so much contempt for? strange, people sure are weird.
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:yes::yes:
 
kicker558 said:
Show me one black "running" shit in Cuba.. lol

Not to mention Che was Argentinian, they are by far the most racist country against blacks in south america.. Thats proven and documented.. They believe they are white, not hispanic at all.
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I have sat with many afro Cubans ministers in Cuba for business lunch or dinner. You will not find their pics on the internet. But believe me, there are many blacks "running" shit in Cuba.
 
CarryOn said:
"The United States intervenes in Latin America invoking the defense of free institutions. The time will come when this Assembly will acquire greater maturity and demand of the U.S. Government guarantees for the life of the blacks and Latin Americans who live in that country, most of them U.S. citizens by origin or adoption.

Those who kill their own children and discriminate daily against them because of the color of their skin; those who let the murderers of blacks remain free, protecting them, and furthermore punishing the black population because they demand their legitimate rights as free men — how can those who do this consider themselves guardians of freedom? We understand that today the Assembly is not in a position to ask for explanations of these acts. It must be clearly established, however, that the government of the United States is not the champion of freedom, but rather the perpetrator of exploitation and oppression against the peoples of the world and against a large part of its own population. "

-Che Guevera addressing the United Nations
December 11, 1964, 19th General Assembly of the United Nations in New York.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/402426/At-the-United-Nations-Che-Guevara

Good read, he expresses his opinion on a lot of issues going on in that time that are very contrary to the quotes given in this thread.

From what I understand their were a few attempts on his life that day, just to make a speech. So he'd go on to fight along side the same people he holds so much contempt for? strange, people sure are weird.
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If I remember correctly, I think pieces of that speech were in part 1 of the Che movie, starring Benicio Del Toro. I remember watching and shaking my head in approval while the U.S. representatives in the film just put their heads down after he mentioned that little piece of info the U.S. dignitaries did not want to acknowledge :lol:


gotcha bitch :lol:


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I saw part 1 last month on IFC, I still have not seen part 2 (Guerrilla) but part 1 was pretty enthralling.
 
CarryOn said:
"The United States intervenes in Latin America invoking the defense of free institutions. The time will come when this Assembly will acquire greater maturity and demand of the U.S. Government guarantees for the life of the blacks and Latin Americans who live in that country, most of them U.S. citizens by origin or adoption.

Those who kill their own children and discriminate daily against them because of the color of their skin; those who let the murderers of blacks remain free, protecting them, and furthermore punishing the black population because they demand their legitimate rights as free men — how can those who do this consider themselves guardians of freedom? We understand that today the Assembly is not in a position to ask for explanations of these acts. It must be clearly established, however, that the government of the United States is not the champion of freedom, but rather the perpetrator of exploitation and oppression against the peoples of the world and against a large part of its own population. "

-Che Guevera addressing the United Nations
December 11, 1964, 19th General Assembly of the United Nations in New York.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/402426/At-the-United-Nations-Che-Guevara

Good read, he expresses his opinion on a lot of issues going on in that time that are very contrary to the quotes given in this thread.

From what I understand their were a few attempts on his life that day, just to make a speech. So he'd go on to fight along side the same people he holds so much contempt for? strange, people sure are weird.
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while the comments are accurate and i feel good that Assata has a place to lay her head you have to remember that the argument about america's hypocrisy regarding freedom and oppression of blacks has been used alot. it doesnt mean those making the argument have our best interests at heart
soviets were active all over the world but this was more a game of cold war chess than it was about a feel good equality movement
 
WorldEX said:
I have sat with many afro Cubans ministers in Cuba for business lunch or dinner. You will not find their pics on the internet. But believe me, there are many blacks "running" shit in Cuba.
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i want to believe that but its hard without evidence
its fucked up because its hard to find objective sources on anything that isn't right on cuba


smokedacane said:
If I remember correctly, I think pieces of that speech were in part 1 of the Che movie, starring Benicio Del Toro. I remember watching and shaking my head in approval while the U.S. representatives in the film just put their heads down after he mentioned that little piece of info the U.S. dignitaries did not want to acknowledge :lol:


gotcha bitch :lol:


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I saw part 1 last month on IFC, I still have not seen part 2 (Guerrilla) but part 1 was pretty enthralling.
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you can download it - if you know history then part 2 is not a good part
 
Makkonnen said:
while the comments are accurate and i feel good that Assata has a place to lay her head you have to remember that the argument about america's hypocrisy regarding freedom and oppression of blacks has been used alot. it doesnt mean those making the argument have our best interests at heart
soviets were active all over the world but this was more a game of cold war chess than it was about a feel good equality movement
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yep


In the film it just provided a good laugh for me because one of the U.S. representatives at the UN were grilling him about being an oppressor or something of the sort.
 
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