Dave Chapelle - Unforgiven (Don’t stream Chapelle Show Anymore!!!!)

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I would say this...his lawyers may not have been in cahoots with CC...they just didn't care...they convinced him to sign a bad deal because they wanted that commission more than they cared about how it would actually affect him.

Could race have been a factor...sure but we've seen cacs get fucked over (ie taylor swift)
could his lawyers been in on it with CC...lawyers in a given circle are all familiar with and cross paths with each other so that's very possible

But I think at the end of the day they just didn't give a shit and encouraged him to sign something so they can get their percentage.


This, they were all in on it, his counsel included.

But if his counsel conspired against him

Aint that bad?

And illegal? Unethical?

Isn't the client paying them TOO CARE?

Isn't that bad faith from the jump?
 

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Yeah bro I got a contract from a company a few years ago called Wanda Entertainment. They basically give me money upfront but they grandkids and great great great grandkids will eat off of my shit forever so I passed on the deal. Which worked out cause they went out of business and got bought out by Alibaba Pictures.

Wtf?!?

So that perpetuity stuff STILL exists?

I thought after that aba/nba tv contract agreement, bobby bonilla stuff that it doesn't exist anyone more.
 

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I would say this...his lawyers may not have been in cahoots with CC...they just didn't care...they convinced him to sign a bad deal because they wanted that commission more than they cared about how it would actually affect him.

Could race have been a factor...sure but we've seen cacs get fucked over (ie taylor swift)
could his lawyers been in on it with CC...lawyers in a given circle are all familiar with and cross paths with each other so that's very possible

But I think at the end of the day they just didn't give a shit and encouraged him to sign something so they can get their percentage.
No fam, those esquires all KNOW each other either personally or through reputation. Dont let me show you what the bar association REALLY bout...
 

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How many of those white artists are Jewish too? Jewish folks typically don't screw each other.
the entertainment industry was BANKROLLED on organized crime money...whether it was italian, irish or jewish MOBS...there much blood money used to fund studios/labels, distribution etc.

thats why I don't really fault these cats for flipping drug money to fund their music careers...BUT they didn't go far enough or deep enough.. rather than death row, bad boy, rocafella, murder inc etc banding TOGETHER to carve out their spot and plant their flag they turned on each other and continue to do so..

Now the violence is self explanatory but deception can range from straight up lies and breaking words to creating and manipulating laws and loopholes in laws. Its not a coincidence that jews dominate lawyering and accounting. On top of that they ALWAYS stick together...ALWAYS.

If there is one thing thats consistent in the last few centuries is that whites and jews have an almost preternatural ability to ban together for a common cause seemingly to almost border on telepathy and I'm not fucking joking either..

Make no mistake cacs and jews WILL kill each other and slit each others throats at the drop of a hat. Bernie Madoff bilked BILLIONS primarily from his own people and he's not the only one just a couple weeks ago another hedge fund ponzi scheme run by cacs and jews was busted...most of the victims were jews.

So the difference is no matter how much infighting Morty and Shmuly may do... as soon as DARNELL walks into the room..they all STOP the bullshit between them and the mission becomes we've got to get THAT motherfucker.

Even when cacs and jews HELP you they make sure they either have leverage OVER you or can't be damaged just in case you turn on them. Has anyone seen a jew sign a contract where they work UNDER a black or brown person? If they did I guarantee you that relationship didn't last long.

Meanwhile black and brown have no problem signing their life away to jews and cacs. I'm still trying to figure out if its conditioning or a natural mindset.
 

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The DVD was immediately #1 all-time Both season and only selling more. His percentage of DVD sales is what they didn't honor.
Now the tricky part is this... remember his part about "name in the universe etc" there apparently was a clause where basically it was saying the % he was owed was simply too much money.

This is factually wrong. If they didn't honor the contract, then he would have grounds to sue the shit out of them. It is not that they didn't honor the contract, but that they honored the contract to the letter.

The 'name in universe' part is simply saying that they own the name to the show forever and have the rights to use that name anywhere in the world (universe). Has nothing to do with percentages.

legally nothing thats why dave is going this route...he's leveraging his popularity and hoping his fanbase has his back and boycotts the show (which is really boycotting hbo...lets be honest)

That is all he was saying. It baffles me that anyone could watch the clip and come to any other conclusion. You get an A+.

Thats not true at all. They did not owe Dave any money and didn’t do him wrong because they fulfilled his contract.
You can’t cry foul when someone fronts millions of dollars to create something for you, especially after you signed a contract.
Simple business 101. Who ever puts up the money receives the bulk of the profits.
If the show flopped and Lose millions, would Dave help pay to cover the losses?
There is no position to take. You can’t cry about other peoples money. Comedy Central fronted the millions for the show and took all the risk. Dave didn’t put up any money. Of course Comedy Central will eat better off the deal.

All above is true, especially in the entertainment industry. The reason they are so adamant about keeping the money they make off of hit shows, is that no one talks about all the money they sink into shows that never see the light of day. They honored the contract.

He said they conspired against him. He didn't have bad counsel. Counselor was a bad faith actor; a Confederate.
This, they were all in on it, his counsel included.

Not true. People tend to look at it from the view point of how successful he has been; and not what the circumstances were at the time. Remember when said HBO had just kicked him out of the office? They told him 'what do we need you for.' He was a risk at that time. He wasn't commanding shit. He was looking for a break and would have signed an even worse contract to get it. They all will. When his lawyers told him it was a good deal, it probably was for a similarly situated comedian with no star power AT THAT TIME.

He wasn't in a bargaining position.....so at that point it is take it or leave it; and for most aspiring entertainers, they will take it.

I would say this...his lawyers may not have been in cahoots with CC...they just didn't care...they convinced him to sign a bad deal because they wanted that commission more than they cared about how it would actually affect him.

Again, the lawyers weren't representing the Chappell of today, but a skinny kid that was one in a million looking for a deal. It was only called a bad deal after he skyrocketed, but if he had flopped not one would be saying it was a bad deal. It was probably a comparable deal for similarly situated artists.

And did absolutely no one hear when he said he "did what any desperate artist with a pregnant wife" would do, he signed. Shit, at that time, his lawyers probably could not have stopped him from signing even if they wanted to. Ya'll really think that at that time in his life he would have told Comedy Central to go fuck themselves and that he would just keep doing night clubs for 250 a night. Shitttttttttttt.

Now, as for another question that was posed as to whether there was anything to be done now. Dave is doing what he can. And when he said he would just take it, then he is puffing, because he has no grounds to TAKE anything.

BUT, superstars renegotiate contracts all the time. In the entertainment industry, it is not unusual for an company to take a risk, the artist BLOW the fuck up and the company renegotiate the contract.

But again this gets to the essence of what Dave is asking, which is not that the company pay him because the contracts says so, but because it is the right thing to do. Companies don't have emotions though, but they will respond to consumer pressure, like not watching his show....which I will never do until he renegotiates....
 

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I don't know the intricacies of their interactions so I can't speak on way or the other about that but i do know that when you have people trying to spread rumors about you and people operating as if those rumors are true it makes you wanna fight as dirty as they do.

It does if you go to my post I didn't condemn her. I just said the actions were different.
 

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here's a question: WHATS NEAL BRENNAN'S POSITION IN ALL OF THIS??

we're all talking about daves deal...what was his deal?
does he agree? is he happy that dave made this move? are they in contact at all in this??

Neal made his entire career because he was attached to Dave
he also threw dave under the bus when this shit went down.
I don't fuck with Neal at all he showed who he was.
 

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How many of those white artists are Jewish too? Jewish folks typically don't screw each other.

Now i don't know

but you hearing more and more all colors saying they got screwed.

I forget who was a bgol vet in the industry ALWAYS defended Puff on a lot of the business stuff not EVERYTHING but specifically on contracts

He said Puff aint try and go out to deliberately screw the Lox over.

Or anyone else on badboy

Their contract was the STANDARD

And apparently white black and in between unless your uncle owned the label?

Or you had freddie fox pager number?

DAMN NEAR EVERY ROOKIE GOT THAT DEAL

Even defended him on biggie's publishing

Apparently BIG wanted that money all upfront

He aint wanna wait for the long term.

Allegedly Pull explained how it worked but BIG wasn't waiting

So we can't blame Puff
 

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This is factually wrong. If they didn't honor the contract, then he would have grounds to sue the shit out of them. It is not that they didn't honor the contract, but that they honored the contract to the letter.

The 'name in universe' part is simply saying that they own the name to the show forever and have the rights to use that name anywhere in the world (universe). Has nothing to do with percentages.



That is all he was saying. It baffles me that anyone could watch the clip and come to any other conclusion. You get an A+.





All above is true, especially in the entertainment industry. The reason they are so adamant about keeping the money they make off of hit shows, is that no one talks about all the money they sink into shows that never see the light of day. They honored the contract.




Not true. People tend to look at it from the view point of how successful he has been; and not what the circumstances were at the time. Remember when said HBO had just kicked him out of the office? They told him 'what do we need you for.' He was a risk at that time. He wasn't commanding shit. He was looking for a break and would have signed an even worse contract to get it. They all will. When his lawyers told him it was a good deal, it probably was for a similarly situated comedian with no star power AT THAT TIME.

He wasn't in a bargaining position.....so at that point it is take it or leave it; and for most aspiring entertainers, they will take it.



Again, the lawyers weren't representing the Chappell of today, but a skinny kid that was one in a million looking for a deal. It was only called a bad deal after he skyrocketed, but if he had flopped not one would be saying it was a bad deal. It was probably a comparable deal for similarly situated artists.

And did absolutely no one hear when he said he "did what any desperate artist with a pregnant wife" would do, he signed. Shit, at that time, his lawyers probably could not have stopped him from signing even if they wanted to. Ya'll really think that at that time in his life he would have told Comedy Central to go fuck themselves and that he would just keep doing night clubs for 250 a night. Shitttttttttttt.

Now, as for another question that was posed as to whether there was anything to be done now. Dave is doing what he can. And when he said he would just take it, then he is puffing, because he has no grounds to TAKE anything.

BUT, superstars renegotiate contracts all the time. In the entertainment industry, it is not unusual for an company to take a risk, the artist BLOW the fuck up and the company renegotiate the contract.

But again this gets to the essence of what Dave is asking, which is not that the company pay him because the contracts says so, but because it is the right thing to do. Companies don't have emotions though, but they will respond to consumer pressure, like not watching his show....which I will never do until he renegotiates....

I hear you thanks for that breakdown

I appreciated seeing it from the OTHER SIDE

Yeah i feel Dave was just being COMPLETELY honest

Which is rare and difficult to absorb

Cause there is so much gray

Not only is it a different time and different dave and different industry

We as an AUDIENCE is much more AWARE of the inner workings of the entertainment industry as a whole now.

So we just know more and have so many more options in 2020.

But one last thing

So you think all that I'LL TAKE IT talk from Dave was all just bluster?

That man called one of the most powerful media companies on the planet and said can you take that show off cause it hurts me.

These people said yes.

No matter the TRUE INTENTION.

They DID IT. They did not have to.

Dave got power.

He just got me and most on this board and most in this country to boycott with 15 min video clip

Thats power.

So you 100% sure he aint got the muscle to do something?
 

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Damn...

Dave Chappelle is a genius...

He dropped breadcrumbs for this during his Saturday Night Live monologue for the highest rated episode of the year.

Dropped more during the netflix David Letterman interview

Waited a few weeks dropped this on Instagram

Wow.
 

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I hear you thanks for that breakdown

I appreciated seeing it from the OTHER SIDE

Yeah i feel Dave was just being COMPLETELY honest

Which is rare and difficult to absorb

Cause there is so much gray

Not only is it a different time and different dave and different industry

We as an AUDIENCE is much more AWARE of the inner workings of the entertainment industry as a whole now.

So we just know more and have so many more options in 2020.

But one last thing

So you think all that I'LL TAKE IT talk from Dave was all just bluster?

That man called one of the most powerful media companies on the planet and said can you take that show off cause it hurts me.

These people said yes.

No matter the TRUE INTENTION.

They DID IT. They did not have to.

Dave got power.

He just got me and most on this board and most in this country to boycott with 15 min video clip

Thats power.

So you 100% sure he aint got the muscle to do something?

The point this aint street justice. So he can't TAKE shit. He can possibly force them ro renegotiate by what he is doing. I wouldn't call that muscle, but leverage. No different than any other boycott. And they will make a business decision. How much are they losing? Can they give him enough to satisfy him and still make it worth for themselves? Or do they just put that shit on the shelf and consider it one less headache?

IF it begins to hit their they will probably renegotiate. That's just business.
 

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Could race have been a factor...sure but we've seen cacs get fucked over (ie taylor swift)
very bad example... Taylor was not screwed over - her father was given equity share in the label

as exec producer and show runner - its standard to get % of ALL revenue streams generated by the show

Chapelle didn't know this

Chapelle's agent had other new and ongoing business with Viacom... so Dave got a sub par contract, and the agent got a "sweetner" plus a higher profile client got better terms on their deal
 

geechiedan

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very bad example... Taylor was not screwed over - her father was given equity share in the label

as exec producer and show runner - its standard to get % of ALL revenue streams generated by the show

Chapelle didn't know this

Chapelle's agent had other new and ongoing business with Viacom... so Dave got a sub par contract, and the agent got a "sweetner" plus a higher profile client got better terms on their deal
in any case we know there are cacs who have been fucked over in their contracts as well...so race may be a factor but its not the only one even the biggest one.
 

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very bad example... Taylor was not screwed over - her father was given equity share in the label

as exec producer and show runner - its standard to get % of ALL revenue streams generated by the show

Chapelle didn't know this

Chapelle's agent had other new and ongoing business with Viacom... so Dave got a sub par contract, and the agent got a "sweetner" plus a higher profile client got better terms on their deal

So that what you been trying to school me on during her whole streaming, scooter braun, music industry victim tour!

So KNOWINGLY giving your CLIENT a sub par and receiving a kickback

Isn't grounds for malpractice or even just unethical behavior?
 
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