Discussion: ESPN The Last Dance 10-Part Michael Jordan Documentary Series UPDATE: Early release due to coronavirus!

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That team never even made it out of semis. They never made it to the conference finals. They won ONE playoff series.

You’re right, that’s my bad.
1 series from the ECF...
Still further than what a post-LeBron team would do.​
 

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The Last Dance Is ESPN’s New Ratings Champ
By Josef Adalian@tvmojoe
Photo: Andrew D. Bernstein/NBAE via Getty Images
ESPN’s much-anticipated Michael Jordan documentary series The Last Dance waltzed its way to a big audience Sunday. Per Nielsen, the opening two episodes of the doc averaged 5.3 million viewers on ESPN from 9–11 p.m., a number which rises to 6.1 million when including the PG-rated simulcast on ESPN 2. The cable sports giant, currently suffering through an unprecedented programming disruption caused by the shutdown of virtually all pro sporting events, said Last Dance generated the best numbers for anything on ESPN since the college football championship on January 13.
Last Dance didn’t just look good relative to the rerun programming airing on the network in recent weeks. The doc gave ESPN its best-ever documentary ratings, easily surpassing the 3.4 million viewers who watched the ABC premiere of ESPN’s O.J.: Made in America back in 2016. It also scored the best numbers for any ESPN original production since 2004’s You Don’t Know Bo, which was seen by 3.6 million viewers. And not surprisingly, Last Dance over-performed with younger audiences: 3.5 million of the 6.1 million who watched the doc on ESPN and ESPN 2 were adults under 50, which translates to a 2.7 rating. ESPN says that’s the best same-day demo rating for any broadcast or cable telecast since sports programming disappeared in mid-March. The overall audience for Last Dance will continue to climb once DVR replays and digital views on the ESPN app are tallied. Already, another 794,000 viewers caught a West Coast encore of the doc at 9 p.m. PT.

While there’s no denying the very strong performance of Last Dance, it is worth noting that the audience for the program slipped between episodes, dropping from 6.3 million for the first hour to 5.8 million for the second. That’s not unheard of in TV: Linear audiences tend to go down across the board in the 10 p.m. hour as viewers go to sleep or switch to streaming. What’s more, while these are big numbers for ESPN non-sports broadcasts, the 5.3 million viewers the doc drew on ESPN alone is about half of what sister network ABC drew last Friday with its Disney Family Singalong special (10.4 million), and little more than one-third of what CBS got with an episode of NCIS last week (13.4 million). This shouldn’t be taken as a diss of Last Dance, however — ESPN doesn’t target the same sort of broad audiences as ABC and CBS, and the total viewer audience for the aforementioned network programming was padded with lots of kids and
 

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How The Last Dance Unearthed the Holy Grail of Buried Michael Jordan Footage
By Jake Malooley
Photo: Andrew D. Bernstein/NBAE via Getty Images

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The origin story of The Last Dance, ESPN’s ten-part documentary centered on the final season of Michael Jordan’s Chicago Bulls dynasty, begins with a producer named Andy Thompson.

In the ’90s, Thompson earned a reputation among the ranks of NBA Entertainment, the league’s film and television arm, as something of a Jordan whisperer. The younger brother of two-time NBA champion Mychal Thompson (a player Jordan had admired) and himself a former professional basketball player overseas, he had a way of soothing the Bulls’ usually taciturn superstar. His presence would keep MJ in the interview chair a bit longer, move him to pull back the curtain just a little more. That neat trick made Thompson an especially valuable asset to his bosses during a period when NBAE was churning out VHS tapes about Jordan and the Bulls — reverent portraits of the league’s marquee player and his team’s quests for championship glory.

Still, Thompson bemoaned the prospect that, given the limited access Jordan typically allowed, producers would never be able to capture on-camera the man in full, the true essence of the game’s greatest talent —particularly his legendary, and frequently ugly, drive to win at all costs. So in a fateful 1997 meeting with newly appointed NBAE president Adam Silver (now NBA commissioner), Thompson made a wildly ambitious pitch: embed a film crew with the Bulls for the entire 1997–98 season. That championship run, portentously nicknamed the Last Dance by head coach Phil Jackson, would produce the sixth and final title of Jordan’s Bulls, before the members of one of the NBA’s most dominant dynasties were scattered to the four winds. And there was Thompson, tagging along for the ride as a field producer.

By the end of the season, NBAE had shot 500 hours of footage on some 3,200 reels of 16-millimeter film. That raw material, a kind of basketball holy grail, sat virtually unseen in the league’s vault in Secaucus, New Jersey, for two decades. It has finally been unearthed and interwoven with new interviews by director Jason Hehir for The Last Dance, which premiered last night, airing on Sundays in two-episode installments through May 17. Thompson, now vice-president of production at NBA Entertainment, and Last Dance producer Gregg Winik (an NBAE executive producer during the ’97–’98 project) spoke to Vulture about brokering unfettered access to the Bulls’ inner sanctum, Jordan’s unease with their cameras, and why such highly desirable footage remained locked away all these years.
This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.

Even for NBA Entertainment’s production arm, filming a team for a full season — in the locker room, in practice, off the court — was an unprecedented undertaking. How did the project come to be?

Andy Thompson: I first met Michael when I produced a feature on him with NBA Inside Stuff host Ahmad Rashād. Jordan had this special private room at a steakhouse in Chicago, where he could go with a few guests and teammates and not be bothered. While I was setting up there for the shoot, Ahmad turned to Michael and said, “Hey, do you know who he is?” Michael said, “No.” Ahmad said, “That’s Mychal Thompson’s brother.” I was known most of my life as [two-time NBA champion] Mychal Thompson’s little brother; now people say I’m [Golden State Warriors All-Star] Klay Thompson’s uncle. And Michael was like, “Man, I used to love your brother,” and he told a story about how he loved my brother so much because he had a cool name with a cool spelling and used to wear these puka-shell beads. [Laughs.] Jordan said he wrote my brother’s name on his school textbooks. He came home one day, and his mom looked at his textbooks and said, “What are you doing writing your name this way?” He said, “Mychal Thompson is my favorite player.” And she said, “I don’t care who Mychal Thompson is, your name is Michael Jordan. Write it the right way!” So our bond started with his respect for my brother. And ever since that day, through all the Bulls championship years, we would get tighter.

Jordan is a famously reticent interview subject. Did your closeness with him prove to be a benefit from a production standpoint?

Andy Thompson: Gregg knew I had a good relationship with Michael. So if he sent me on a shoot, Michael would acquiesce and give us a little bit more time, and we would get better stuff if I did Jordan’s shoots. Before the 1997-98 season, I was talking to Michael from time to time, and I kept asking him, “Man, are you coming back after this season? Is this it?” And he just did not know. I was mortified that if the Bulls broke the team up after the coming season and Jordan retired, we would never have gotten the chance to really show how competitive and how cool and how truly great this guy is, because he had never given us full access. He would give us a little access — but there would always be a cutoff point, and then the cameras had to go.

Gregg Winik: To put it into perspective, for the typical Jordan-centric NBA Entertainment home video, we would get one interview. For a Bulls championship tape, every player on the team would be interviewed during the Finals and maybe the coach would let us into one or two practices during the playoff run. For the footage that’s in The Last Dance, we shot the team, full access, with multiple film crews for more than a hundred days, totaling about 500 hours. It was night and day, when compared to what we were usually doing.

How did you begin negotiating access to Jordan and the Bulls?

Andy Thompson: When Adam Silver was appointed president of NBA Entertainment in 1997, he met with all of the senior producers, to get to know us and figure out the projects the division needed to focus its efforts on. In the meeting, I said, “Adam, Michael Jordan might retire on your watch. You don’t want to let the greatest athlete of our generation retire before we’ve filmed him for a full season during the last run of this Bulls team.” I didn’t even use the word “documentary.” I simply said, “We just need to get it in the can.” Adam said, “I think we should go for it. I have a relationship with the Bulls ownership group. I’ll make a call.” That’s where the conversation started. Adam blessed it. And here we are.

How did you get Jordan and Phil Jackson, who as head coach had long been wary about the media observing Bulls practice and scrimmages, onboard with the idea?

Gregg Winik: Adam Silver and I met with Phil in Paris in October of 1997, during the McDonald’s Championship. By then, Adam had gotten the Bulls ownership on board, but ultimately it’s the coach and Michael Jordan who controlled that team. We were not going to get cameras into practices, into locker rooms, without Phil’s blessing. Once Phil and Jordan said yes, we had sealed the deal for access for the season.

Full access is a big ask of any team, particularly the Bulls, who already faced a daily swarm of local, national, and international media. Were your cameras ever seen as an additional distraction from the ultimate goal of winning a sixth championship?

Andy Thompson: It was a slow immersion process, because even though Michael knew me, he was not keen about having cameras around him all the time. I remember during the Bulls’ first West Coast trip, in Phoenix, we weren’t given access to practice. We had to come in later with the regular media. So Gregg’s brother, Michael Winik [an NBAE cinematographer], went right up to Michael Jordan as they let the media in and he starts shooting. Within about 30 seconds, Jordan turns to Phil Jackson and goes, “These cameras ain’t fucking following me around like this for the rest of the season, are they?” So at the start, the very first trip, Jordan looked at our cameras like, “Man, this ain’t happening.”

Was there a point in the season at which the Bulls became comfortable with your presence, when you had spent enough time around the team that the cameras and the microphones and the people holding them became, essentially, furniture?

Andy Thompson: It happened maybe a month later. We were in practice and Michael was teaching Scottie Pippen and Ron Harper how to do a crossover and drive to the hoop. Our boom microphone was right over them when we were shooting and he didn’t care. I finally felt like, Okay, I think we’re in a good space now. That was really important, because if you get Michael onboard, then everybody else falls in line.

Was there ever a moment when you thought you might be kicked out of the room because you were filming something that the Bulls didn’t want you to film?

Andy Thompson: There was one scene before Game 6 [of the Finals, Jordan’s final game in a Bulls uniform]. I knew Scottie Pippen was hurt. He had hurt his back in a previous game, and he was questionable for Game 6 in Utah. Michael was always gregarious pregame. He was always talking crap. He was always doing something to joke with the security guards. He was loud and boisterous. But when we walk into the locker room that day, my cameraman notices Michael lying on the training table, eyes closed, nobody around him. There isn’t a trainer working on him. He is just lying there. I look at Michael Winik, and I say, “Mike, you gotta shoot that.” So Mike Winik shoots it. Jordan did not move. And I said to myself, “Oh my God, he is really, really feeling the pressure of this game.”

That was the first time all year when I saw Michael by himself, just with the weight of the Finals on his shoulders. In the corner, Pippen is getting worked on by the trainers. Phil Jackson comes into the locker room, looks at me, looks at the camera, and I’m thinking, He’s about to throw us out. Phil walks in, walks by me, and walks over to Pippen, leans over and whispers something into Pippen’s ear, probably a question as to whether he was feeling good enough to play that night. And then Phil turns and walks back out of the locker room. Every time I think of that scene, I get chills, knowing that that was the greatest moment that I captured of Michael and Scottie in this situation where everything is on the line.

So you capture all of this incredible footage over many months — and then you shelve it. Why did it take 22 years for an audience to see this film?

Gregg Winik: Adam Silver’s promise to Michael Jordan in 1997 was, “Let us shoot this, give us access. One day we’ll have a great video, or if you’re not ready for it to be released, you’ll have the best home video anybody has ever had.” So going in, there was a partnership with Michael, an understanding that we wouldn’t release anything unless it was the right time for the NBA and for Michael Jordan for this thing to come out. So the 500 hours went under lock and key in the vaults of the various offices of NBA Entertainment. On the 3,200 reels of film that were shot, we put an X to denote that they were not to be used. Over the years, various projects and opportunities came up. We originally thought, a year or two later, that it could be made into a 90-minute documentary that would be in theaters or on HBO. But it was just never the right time to unlock the vault until a few years ago, when The Last Dance project finally started coming together.

The lion’s share of NBA Entertainment projects were shot on standard-definition video. The archival footage you’ve contributed to The Last Dance was shot on 16-millimeter film, which allowed for a high-resolution transfer to digital. Had you been thinking all along that the season-long shoot might be a future preservation effort?

Gregg Winik: At the time, Betacam video was the industry standard. We said, “We have to shoot this on film. It will preserve better over time.” It was a significantly greater financial commitment — and I heard about it for years after, while it just sat there. There were millions of dollars invested to capture the season on film, and it ultimately proved to be a huge benefit 20 years later that we could now transfer the old film to 4K versus having to deal with old videotape that was standard definition that would look fuzzy now if it was presented on ESPN or Netflix.

Andy Thompson: We have one of the few documents of Michael Jordan in HD. People rarely shot Michael on film, except for his commercials and Space Jam. So almost everything that you’ve seen before this project is all standard definition. So for maybe the first time, you’re seeing Michael in HD.

What was the film transfer process like?

Gregg Winik: Very, very scary! [Laughs.] I have a scanning operation at my company, Winik Media, because I didn’t want to drop off the film and lose physical possession of anything. Luckily not one of the 3,200 reels was lost through the last 22 years. I think there was one roll of film that had a camera scratch, and one roll may have been scratched at some point after storage somehow; we haven’t figured it out. That’s a testament to the NBA Entertainment archive that nothing had been lost, nothing misplaced, and it was cared for properly over the years. When you see this stuff, it just looks spectacular.

NBA Entertainment’s vintage Jordan and Bulls championship home videos are compelling, mostly as time capsules. They were made by the league’s propaganda arm to celebrate MJ and the team, not to give the viewer an unvarnished portrayal, as The Last Dance aspires to do. Do you think those two modes of storytelling are at odds?

Gregg Winik: The fiercely competitive side of Michael Jordan and how he drove his teammates to be better — it certainly doesn’t exist in any of the old NBA Entertainment home videos. Combined with the new interviews that Last Dance director Jason Hehir has done over the last two years, this project captures a side of Michael that hadn’t been seen outside the gym or the locker room before. And Andy, along with my brothers Michael and Peter and others, documented those moments when they were happening. So this is not just any other sports documentary with people looking back in time. The fact that we’re able to show an actual clip of Jordan’s competitiveness, to show his feistiness in real time is dramatic, and it makes this really a special series.

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93/94 Bulls won 57 games with Mike.
94/95 Bulls won 55 games without Mike and was badly refed/cheated out of an ECF win. Made it to the ECF!!!
No team will ever do that well after LeBron leaves.
LeBron Never had a HOF coach, ever!
Mike Brown won Coach of the Year because of LeBron. 65 wins!
Mike Brown then went to LA with Kobe and had one of the worst records in the NBA.

If y’all niggas cant see the difference in the impact then just admit you all are in denial and this argument of GOAT can be over.

The documentary then showed how them niggas were losing to scrubs when Pippen was absent because he decided to have his surgery at the beginning of the season instead of during the summer.
4 out of 6 titles jordan won his 2nd best player didn't even average 20 points a game.. Did you know jordan won 6 chips without ever having a 3rd option scoring 15 points? So 4 out of 6 titles he won the 2nd best scorer average less than 20 points and the 3rd option scored less than 15 ... In fact 4 out of 6 titles his 2nd and 3 rd option average less than 32 points combined... Never 4get
 

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4 out of 6 titles jordan won his 2nd best player didn't even average 20 points a game.. Did you know jordan won 6 chips without ever having a 3rd option scoring 15 points? So 4 out of 6 titles he won the 2nd best scorer average less than 20 points and the 3rd option scored less than 15 ... In fact 4 out of 6 titles his 2nd and 3 rd option average less than 32 points combined... Never 4get

Well damn.
 

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Much like Jordan hall of fame speech

A wholelot of people mentioned in this documentary gonna have a TOUGH time going forward

No matter what they say now or the "truth" really is
 

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4 out of 6 titles jordan won his 2nd best player didn't even average 20 points a game.. Did you know jordan won 6 chips without ever having a 3rd option scoring 15 points? So 4 out of 6 titles he won the 2nd best scorer average less than 20 points and the 3rd option scored less than 15 ... In fact 4 out of 6 titles his 2nd and 3 rd option average less than 32 points combined... Never 4get

I knew Mike played with bums but damn! :lol:

Many of the players were no names and merely role players when they were on the Bulls and before they got there.

Clearly defined roles, but still role players.
 

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I knew Mike played with bums but damn! :lol:

Many of the players were no names and merely role players when they were on the Bulls and before they got there.

Clearly defined roles, but still role players.

I'm going to see about iverson, dwight, d wade and lebron finals runs

Very very curious
 

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Yeah, I remember games at the old barn...Had some good times with the crew, but that building definitely showed its age... Tight-ass seating, suspect plumbing, shady mugs outside...But I guess that was part of that whole gritty Chicago thing...Went to the United Center the first year it opened, and it was a totally different atmosphere...Crowd was still loud, but the vibe was a lot more corporate and sterile.
Sounds like the old Spectrum in Philly.

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4 out of 6 titles jordan won his 2nd best player didn't even average 20 points a game.. Did you know jordan won 6 chips without ever having a 3rd option scoring 15 points? So 4 out of 6 titles he won the 2nd best scorer average less than 20 points and the 3rd option scored less than 15 ... In fact 4 out of 6 titles his 2nd and 3 rd option average less than 32 points combined... Never 4get

So now, the Bulls were never stacked.
Before “Brands” was a thing back in the 90s, role players played their role.
Today’s league, every damn player on the team has a “Brand” to protect and nigga’s shoot shit when they know damn well they shouldn’t.

And 3rd option?!
Why even bring up 3rd option when talking about Mike?!
Nigga Mike selfish ass wasn’t sharing the ball with a fucking 3rd option?!
I love how history has been rewritten and now Mike wasn’t a volume shooter or ball hog​
 

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So now, the Bulls were never stacked.
Before “Brands” was a thing back in the 90s, role players played their role.
Today’s league, every damn player on the team has a “Brand” to protect and nigga’s shoot shit when they know damn well they shouldn’t.

And 3rd option?!
Why even bring up 3rd option when talking about Mike?!
Nigga Mike selfish ass wasn’t sharing the ball with a fucking 3rd option?!
I love how history has been rewritten and now Mike wasn’t a volume shooter or ball hog​

“Volume shooter”?

Mike was a career 50% shooter for the Bulls.
 

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4 out of 6 titles jordan won his 2nd best player didn't even average 20 points a game.. Did you know jordan won 6 chips without ever having a 3rd option scoring 15 points? So 4 out of 6 titles he won the 2nd best scorer average less than 20 points and the 3rd option scored less than 15 ... In fact 4 out of 6 titles his 2nd and 3 rd option average less than 32 points combined... Never 4get
I'm going to see about iverson, dwight, d wade and lebron finals runs

Very very curious

OK these are all loses

but what we concentrating on is teams making it to the finals ESSENTIALLY lead by ONE player

which MOST of the time was a future Hall of famer.

Lebron 2007 vs Spurs?

Stats: 22.0 PPG/7.0 RPG/6.8 APG/35.6 FG%/20.0 3P%

second leading scorer on the cavs?

Drew Gooden 12 points

after HIM?

10 Points

again just off EFFORT you gotta appreciate that

but the fact Jordan WON?

Good lawd!!!!

sidebar...

Isiah Lord Thomas & Detroit Pistons Only team and player with winning record against Jordan, Bird AND Magic

just saying
 

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“Volume shooter”?

Mike was a career 50% shooter for the Bulls.

All the media/people used to talk about prior to the way they slob him down after retirement is how he was a ball hog.
You cats can’t possibly remember watching Mike play.​
 

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Me and my 16 year old son been going back and forth about MJ GOAT status. He keep telling me Kobe is the GOAT Lol. I told him without is doubt Kobe is 2nd GOAT

Just ask your son who Kobe modeled his game after. And look at the numbers to see who did it better.
 

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All the media/people used to talk about prior to the way they slob him down after retirement is how he was a ball hog.
You cats can’t possibly remember watching Mike play.​

The media, NBA player, fans yourself included stated that MJ was a ball hog and a boy like shooter.

I told you that MJ was a career 50% shooter as a Bull, and that canceled those labels that you all gave him.
 

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The media, NBA player, fans yourself included stated that MJ was a ball hog and a boy like shooter.

I told you that MJ was a career 50% shooter as a Bull, and that canceled those labels that you all gave him.

MJ led the league in FG attempts more seasons than any other player in history. He absolutely is the most celebrated volume shooter that paved the way for volume shooters after him (AI, T-Mac, Kobe, Melo, etc). And while his FG% is higher than those guys 49.7% is less than 50%. He shot below 50% half his career.
 

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So now, the Bulls were never stacked.
Before “Brands” was a thing back in the 90s, role players played their role.
Today’s league, every damn player on the team has a “Brand” to protect and nigga’s shoot shit when they know damn well they shouldn’t.

And 3rd option?!
Why even bring up 3rd option when talking about Mike?!
Nigga Mike selfish ass wasn’t sharing the ball with a fucking 3rd option?!
I love how history has been rewritten and now Mike wasn’t a volume shooter or ball hog​


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Remember fam, Scottie nor no other Bull regularly averaged 20 a game, niggas wasn't doin shit to help MJ. Keep in mind, this was an era of 85-78 final scores in Finals. MJ shouldve had 3 other teammates average 20 a night. Especially as much as he passed the ball there was no excuse for him not to have help. He won all 6 chips playing with bums.
 

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The media, NBA player, fans yourself included stated that MJ was a ball hog and a boy like shooter.

I told you that MJ was a career 50% shooter as a Bull, and that canceled those labels that you all gave him.

All it means is that he made half of all of the shots he took.
Doesn’t mean he didn’t take a lot.​
 

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I feel like some of you guys forgot what MJ's era was like and how the Bulls championship teams were constructed.

MJ had all the support he could ask for. He got to do what he does best. His teammates took care of the rest.

MJ never had to guard guys out of position. Never had to out-rebound his bigs. Never had to lead his teams in assists. Didnt have to play with scrubs who couldnt hit the open J. The offense gave him one on one matchups all over the court...

The Bulls had the perfect role players for MJ. They could shoot, defend, rebound and played in a system where they all touched the ball.
 
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All it means is that he made half of all of the shots he took.
Doesn’t mean he didn’t take a lot.​

Steph, KD, Bird, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen etc made less than half of their shots. :dunno:

We both know what it mean when a person says “Volume Shooter”, let’s not play semantics.
 

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I feel like some of you guys forgot what MJ's era was like and how the Bulls teams were constructed.

MJ had all the support he could ask for. He got to do what he does best. His teammates took care of the rest.

MJ never had to guard guys out of position. Never had to out-rebound his bigs. Never had to lead his teams in assists. Didnt have to play with scrubs who couldnt hit the open J. The offense gave him one on one matchups all over the court...

The Bulls had the perfect role players for MJ. They could shoot, defend, rebound and played in a system where they all touched the ball.

I want a documentary focused solely on the triangle offense and why sone players and teams can run it successfully as opposed to others failing miserably
 

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let me make this point one mo gain....

if you hear ANYONE

ANYONE

tries to us this Jordan documentary

to take SHOTS at Kobe and/or Lebron?

you been bamboozled lead astray and run a muck

RUN AWAY
 
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