Explain to me how this woman is black
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Define Black to me...
I argue the same thing. Cats can't even explain what they mean when they say a person is black or not. It just shows you how fucked up the conversation is.
Might be black but...booty isn't real though.
Hold up..... So now we aren't calling People Black even though they have a Black parent.
Man if this is where we are then unless you are Straight African born.... You are likely going to be embarrassed in this thread.
Why is this even a Fucking Issue...
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Millions of black people look like that ?
Bro.. A black person with 77 percent african DNA it's still going to be recognizable as a person of African descent, but this chick here....
Dudes must have a scientific equation, after 3.6527 generations you are no longer black.
Smfh
I want someone tell me Pammie Lee ain't Black, we fighting!
Fuck it... I'm jacking this Thread.
Time to make BGOL great again...
Time to make BGOL great again...
Ok then... if Gates is a Clown.. How about some more articles. I'll post my wife..... The day you post your DNA results. Unless you are born in Africa... You are likely mixed with some kind of European Blood. Now if you say you were born in Africa.... You have legit right to post this thread and I'll back off.
If you’re black, DNA ancestry results can reveal an awkward truth
Cara Rose DeFabio
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Nikiah Washington live-streamed the unboxing of her Ancestry.com DNA testing kit as one of her young sons might a new toy, complete with all of the same excitement and anticipation of what would come next. The kit contained a vial for her to spit in and a return envelope. After sending her saliva to Utah-based Ancestry.com, Washington would receive an analysis of her genes, finally answering questions she’s had all her life about where exactly her ancestors are from. For Washington, a black woman living in Crescent City, Florida, science was about to challenge her notion of who she is—and she was ready to broadcast all of it live on Facebook.
She's far from alone. There's now hundreds of ancestry reveal videos on YouTube and Facebook, featuring people looking for answers about the past in their genes. In the videos, people lay their bets on what they think their heritage is—and then, live on camera, they share their actual ethnicity, according to a DNA test, with the entire internet.
These videos are popular, racking up tens, even hundreds of thousands of views. They're like mini, modern-day Maury Povich episodes; those discovering the truth about their family history produce all manner of nervous laughter, gasps, tears of happiness and, when the results are shocking, tears of pain. More incredible than the range of reactions is the fact that people are willing to share such personal information with the internet at large.
The trend has taken off in part because DNA testing kits from companies like 23andMe and Ancestry.com are now so cheap (around $100) and easy to order online. For many people, this is the only way to explore their ancestral history because there is no paper trail of where their family called home before they got to America. This is especially true when ancestors were forcefully uprooted. So it may not surprise you that most of the DNA ancestry reveal videos on YouTube are being made by young black Americans.
When RyMingTahn Daniels did her test, she was shocked to find out that 26% of her DNA is of British origin. She talks in her video about feeling like there were secrets in her family.
“I was so confused,” she said. “DNA doesn’t lie, but people can.”
Many people who identify as black express confusion in their videos at discovering significant European ancestry in their DNA. Of course, because it is YouTube, the comments section will always be there with answers, however difficult to hear: “The European percentage is a direct result of our slave ancestors being raped and bred at will by white men,” wrote one commenter.
If, somehow, you’ve gone through life without having to confront the terrifying legacy of slavery and rape in this country, one that has largely been left out of our history books, you cannot ignore the story that genetic data tells. According to a study released in 2014 which looked at the genetic make-up of Americans, the average ethnicity estimate for African Americans is 73.2% African, 24.0% European, and 0.8% Native American.
It would be easy to look at these numbers and imagine that this blended racial identity has been the result of recent interracial marriages, and to be sure that's sometimes the case. However we now have science that can date when these genetic admixtures happened. Kasia Bryc, senior population geneticist at 23andMe and one of the authors of the study explained that our chromosomes are a mixture of contributions from our ancestors: “Each generation reshuffles [and the] recombination causes the segments of ancestry to get shorter and shorter,” she explained.
DNA tested at 23andMe offers a chromosomal painting where you can see these segments; longer segments were contributed more recently, and shorter segments are from more distant relatives. The lengths of the segments for African Americans in the study, on average, showed that the majority of the European DNA contributions were made prior to 1860, by male ancestors.
Discovering that her ancestors were raped by the men that enslaved them is something Nikiah Washington knew she might have to deal with going into the test.
“There is something really weird, surreal, spiritually challenging about it,” she told me. "If a man did not rape that slave, I would not be here.”
Inadvertently learning about family trauma is an unadvertised risk of taking one of these tests.
Ancestry.com and 23andMe charge similar prices, but most of the people of color posting reveal videos on YouTube use Ancestry.com kits. Ancestry.com seems to be targeting this demographic, having run ads during the broadcast of the Roots miniseries remake earlier this year. (The ads that both Ancestry and 23andMe run are actually similar in style to the reveal videos, featuring customers happily finding out their heritage.)
The videos range from celebratory to emotional to downright confused as people are confronted with the results of their tests. Some people take the tests hoping to reinforce racial identity with scientific proof. One video from last year, produced by twins named Kevin and Keith Hodge, has half a million views. The twins have 1.6 million YouTube followers who usually tune in to see them discuss their work-out regimes and food. They decided to take the test because some of their audience had expressed frustration that the twins, who have a light skin tone, identify as ‘black’ and not ‘mixed.’ The twins turned to the DNA test to settle the debate. In their reveal video they boast about their ethnicity estimate of 58% African ancestry, or “majority African,” in their words.
While video makers regularly chastise people for making assumptions about “how black they are” based on skin tone alone, some do worry that the tests will change their sense of identity by revealing how "genetically black" they are. YouTuber @OnlyMe_Marilyn confessed that she “was scared” to open her results.
“I didn’t know what it was going to tell me," she said in her video. "For 27 years all I knew was that I was black.”
When her analysis indicated she was genetically 82% African, she edited in the signature Lion King howl as a celebration.
As someone with a lighter skin tone, Washington is familiar with being challenged on her identity. “Skin tone is a really big thing for African-American people,” she said. “I was a little afraid to broadcast [my results because] I have a lot of issues with people questioning how black I am.”
In order to determine where in the world your DNA is from, the Ancestry.com kit that Washington used looks at 700,000 different spots on the genome. The genetic markers found at those spots are then analyzed by computer programs that compare them to the markers of people who are known to be good representatives of distinct ethnic groups around the world. Those ‘reference populations’ correlate to twenty-six different geographical areas across the globe.
Ancestry.com's reference set is made up of publicly available data and proprietary data that was purchased four years ago from the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, which worked for fifteen years isolating DNA samples from people all over the world.
"That is where the real power comes from," said Catherine Ball, Ancestry.com's vice-president of bioinformatics. “[Sorenson] collected samples from Europe, Asia, the Pacific, and, most excitingly, a ton of samples from western Africa, which is a huge game changer because it is not well represented in public databases. If you have ancestors who were enslaved Africans this is really the only way you are going to be able to track those ancestors down.”
It's not just about getting a genetic time machine into one's past; many people who take the tests are hoping to stitch together families split by the slave trade generations ago. Both Ancestry.com and 23andMe offer an option to be matched with living genetic relatives in their databases. After she took the test, YouTuber @Udoka O was shocked by how many people contacted her eager to make a familial connection. Udoka was raised in Texas, but her entire family is from Nigeria, so when she started getting contacted by her genetic cousins, she was surprised that most of them lived in the United States.
"It was very intrusive at first,” said Udoka. “But then when I thought more about it, I started to understand that this is a big deal because for a lot of black Americans they don’t have the connection to their family lineage that I have.”
While she found it awkward at first, she now keeps in touch with a few of them through Facebook. Others looking for answers and support have flocked to online groups like DNA Tested African Descendants, which has over 11,000 members discussing everything from how to deal with the emotional fall-out of a test like this to how to do further research into your family tree.
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Growing up in the U.S. in a family of Trinidadian descent, Nikiah Washington had heard stories about how her grandmother, who had long waist-length braids, was half Chinese. She was also told that a great-great-great-grandfather was Arawak, a people indigenous to the Caribbean.
"That is something they believe," she said. But the place where oral history meets science can be dangerous territory. When we're looking for answers about our ancestry, it can be difficult to prepare for what we may find. Washington worried her ancestry results would throw these family tales into dispute.
But that's also the beauty of this science: The preservation of otherwise-lost narratives may be one of the great gifts of modern genetics. Large-scale genetic studies could one day paint migratory maps and tell stories that have been scrubbed from the history books. A genetic test on the descendants of Thomas Jefferson, for example, offered proof that the nation's third president fathered a child with an enslaved woman at his estate 200 years earlier.
The notion that science could solve subjectivity in the telling of history is certainly exciting, but the way those truths bump up against lived experience is much trickier. If ethnicity estimates can prove someone’s racial identity, they could also disprove them. The tension between the undisputed truth of science and the tenuous construction of race is not easily resolved.
When Washington got her results back from Ancestry.com, she live-streamed opening them to 100 of her Facebook friends. As her youngest son giggled in the background, Washington, wide-eyed, read them on the company's website. She was delighted to find out that 85% of her DNA is of African origin.
“I feel very African and I’m really happy about that!” she said.
As she clicked further, she found out she is 13% European and 2% Jewish, news she greeted with a hearty “Shalom!” If you’re quick with math, you may have already guessed that Washington also found out that, contrary to what she had been told her entire life, she is not Chinese.
“The fact that I am only African and European, is really emotional for me,” she said to the camera. “I just kinda feel like my ancestors were brought over here as slaves and then raped. I’m not being very eloquent, this is kind of a lot.”
Ten hours later, on her way to work at a nearby elementary school where she is a counselor, Washington took to Facebook once again to stream some of the emotional aftermath. "I cried a lot," she said. "I guess I’m thinking about not just the biological things that are passed down but the spiritual things, the experiences.”
Later, after she'd had time to process the results, she was feeling more optimistic. Despite the test's capacity to rehash historical trauma, Washington still sees it as a tool for healing.
“You have to go in your hole and you feel a little depressed, but it shows you how important you are, how out of something so terrible, you made it," she said. "Eighteen million different things had to happen for you to be here. It can show you that you are a miracle.”
https://splinternews.com/if-you-re-black-dna-ancestry-results-can-reveal-an-awk-1793862284
Her Father is a Black man... Yet we are not going to call her black.
Is this where we are now? Am I the only person on this board that finds this insulting......
I would get it if this chick was pretending to be black....
But for Christs sake... this is her dad..
I would gladly Join in that that fight with you...
It is an excercise in futility to debate a persons ethnicity. For me there is only two things that determine if a person is black. They must be of black African descent not a CAC or Arab that invaded Africa and now think of themselves as African. Secondly they must self identify as black. If some one that is clearly black but don’t want to self identify as black say they are not black fuckem, can’t make them black. How we self identify is as much a historical, sociopolitical and economic statement as it is an explanation of our phenotype. So when someone whom is clearly black say they are not black when you get to the root of their reason for saying that you willl find it’s based on history, politics, religions or nationality. Dominicans, Puerto Rican’s, Panamanians and many others don’t self identify as black when in many cases it’s clear they are phenotypically black , but they identify more with the cultural and social upbringing of the land mass from which they come.
Many of us experience this on a small scale, for instance I am from Chicago but live in Houston. I been here more than ten years and have a home here, some might say I am a Houstonian but there are clear and distinct differences between me and brothers born and raised here. Those difference are rooted in coming of age in Chicago and you can not ask me to throw that away just so we can have some solidarity as Houstonians. I am a Houstonians to the point where it does not conflict with or contradict my upbringing in Chicago. The same is true with the black people from other countries, they are are black to the extent that being referred to as black does not conflict or contradict with them being from where ever they from. Sadly many of them don’t want to self identify as black due to how white folk and American society perceive and portray blackness and No one wants those problems if they don’t have to have them.
Many of us experience this on a small scale, for instance I am from Chicago but live in Houston. I been here more than ten years and have a home here, some might say I am a Houstonian but there are clear and distinct differences between me and brothers born and raised here. Those difference are rooted in coming of age in Chicago and you can not ask me to throw that away just so we can have some solidarity as Houstonians. I am a Houstonians to the point where it does not conflict with or contradict my upbringing in Chicago. The same is true with the black people from other countries, they are are black to the extent that being referred to as black does not conflict or contradict with them being from where ever they from. Sadly many of them don’t want to self identify as black due to how white folk and American society perceive and portray blackness and No one wants those problems if they don’t have to have them.
I agree. Sad.
In fact... Here is a good picture of a chick I'd wife right now... It's well known that Fonz likes 'em Short and High yellow..
Yeap,, millions of people!! A few millions in a world of 7 billions, sounds about right!!
Back to Making BGOL Great Again...
More of Ms. Henry....
More of Ms. Henry....
See I can rock with this definition of Black.
Barebike.
In fact... Here is a good picture of a chick I'd wife right now... It's well known that Fonz likes 'em Short and High yellow..
Hey we would have to fight for her hand. Bring it
She's really not black when it comes down to it. All that watered down shit is weak. Now if she identifies as black you accept her. She just not ever going to be on the inner circle and that her father's fault fucking with a cac. These people try to create a third race. I'm still fucking but not raw.
A lot of black folks are into watering down their gene pool fuck that. In truth we need to darken up the race. This shit causes confusion and lack of unity. A lot of darker skin Black folks don't have self confidence and think so-called mixed babies are cute.
Mulatto's, half caste whatever you want to call them are ruining the race. This will anger many on this board but someone has to tell the truth.
A lot of black folks are into watering down their gene pool fuck that. In truth we need to darken up the race. This shit causes confusion and lack of unity. A lot of darker skin Black folks don't have self confidence and think so-called mixed babies are cute.
Mulatto's, half caste whatever you want to call them are ruining the race. This will anger many on this board but someone has to tell the truth.
Might be black but...booty isn't real though.
Black doesn't crack for real. Dad still looks the same. I wanna bone your daughters though.
Some real BS here from Wikipedia...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States
African Americans
Main article: African Americans
Laws dating from 17th-century colonial Americaexcluded children of at least one black parent from the status of being white. Early legal standards did so by defining the race of a child based on a mother's race[contradictory] while banning interracial marriage, while later laws defined all people of some African ancestry as black, under the principle of hypodescent. Some 19th-century categorization schemes defined people with one black parent (the other white) as mulatto, with one black grandparent as quadroon and with one black great grandparent as octoroon. The latter categories remained within an overall black or African-American category. Many members of these categories passed temporarily or permanently as white.[10] Since several thousand blacks have been crossing the color line each year, the phenomenon known as "passing for white", millions of white Americans have recent African ancestors. A statistical analysis done in 1958 estimated that 21 percent of the white population had African ancestors. The study concluded that the majority of Americans of African descent were actually white and not black.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States
African Americans
Main article: African Americans
Laws dating from 17th-century colonial Americaexcluded children of at least one black parent from the status of being white. Early legal standards did so by defining the race of a child based on a mother's race[contradictory] while banning interracial marriage, while later laws defined all people of some African ancestry as black, under the principle of hypodescent. Some 19th-century categorization schemes defined people with one black parent (the other white) as mulatto, with one black grandparent as quadroon and with one black great grandparent as octoroon. The latter categories remained within an overall black or African-American category. Many members of these categories passed temporarily or permanently as white.[10] Since several thousand blacks have been crossing the color line each year, the phenomenon known as "passing for white", millions of white Americans have recent African ancestors. A statistical analysis done in 1958 estimated that 21 percent of the white population had African ancestors. The study concluded that the majority of Americans of African descent were actually white and not black.
And now the Census Bureau now considers Middle Eastern or Arabs of white descent. So essentially North Africans are now considered "White"
https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html
White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.
Black or African American – A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa.
https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html
White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.
Black or African American – A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa.
first day of the new Year and you on your Bull Connor/ Governor Wallace vibe huh. When are brehs like u gonna kick the bucket? Only brainless idiots are confused and hung up on what color a person is. Dr. King sadly died and u still on that bullshit. I know how sensitive the geriatrics are so i'll say bullshit.
But to be on the real... The African American gene pool is already watered down. Our great ancestors were likely raped by their slave owners and had Mulatto babies.. So are you now saying that those Kids were never BLACK?
Also why do we need to darken up our race to be perceived as BLACK? With that line of thought... You are being racist against your people due to the color of their skin and Gene pool.
With all do respect...
Here is a guy that thought exactly like that...
Based on the logic within this thread...... Every member with a mixed baby is or has raised a Non Black child..... and those that are raising Black Babies could have their Black Babies "blackness" taken away if their Black Baby doesn't "Act Black"...
BGOL logic at its Finest...
BGOL logic at its Finest...
Come to find out he was actually Jewish and AfricanBut to be on the real... The African American gene pool is already watered down. Our great ancestors were likely raped by their slave owners and had Mulatto babies.. So are you now saying that those Kids were never BLACK?
Also why do we need to darken up our race to be perceived as BLACK? With that line of thought... You are being racist against your people due to the color of their skin and Gene pool.
With all do respect...
Here is a guy that thought exactly like that...
http://www.history.com/news/study-suggests-adolf-hitler-had-jewish-and-african-ancestors