First vid of Venom

blackbull1970

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I’m lost with this movie.

Sony/FOX should focus on Spider-Man and the relationship he had with the Green Goblin.

Spider-Man and the Green Goblin are like Batman and the Joker.

I’m a old skool comic head....stick with he basics.

That’s what Marvel Studios does with their movies and one of the secrets to their success.

If DC, Sony/FOX did that, there movies would be more successful
 

shamone

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Marvel has NOTHING to do with this movie...
This is all on Amy Pascale
I fucking hate her . She get exposed for her leaked emails shitting on actors especially Kevin hart. As a loophole , she leaves her position at Sony and just produces the same movies she has in production. Fiege saved their ass with homecoming. The interview with her and fiege shows you she doesn't give a fuck about the fans. Talking different universes for Spider-Man. Stupid bitch. That venom flick look like a early 2000 superhero flick. The only I like was Eddie trying to reason with it about only harming bad guys. But there's no spidey .
 

chrislee

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Like one of the posters said, how does venom look like Spider-Man if it hasn’t even met him? Trailer leaves too many questions for me. Sony has Spider-Man why didn’t they just connect him from the jump?
Where’s the sinister six movie?
Where’s the black cat movie? Sony is DC but with marvel characters
Aside from the eyes you can't say he looks like Spidey. The ultimate version of Venom didn't even have the symbol on his chest so they probably will skip the symbol.

As for those other films if I had to guess I would say that they're hesitant to do anything with the other characters. Spiderman is now a cash cow for them so its no rush to put anything out. They can take their time and not worry about the rights reverting back.
 

tallblacknyc

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This graphic look like spawn.. Venom looking like the clown in that movie... I was waiting for the devil to appear and ask spawn uhhh I mean venom to lead his troops against god... Spawn without hell that's what this should be called... Nig suit even do spawn like things
 

ViCiouS

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Also Peter Parker IS in this movie
thats only a rumor, not official in ANY way...

also Kevin Feige has been adamant about it not happening so Sony would have to give a lot up to cameo Holland
 
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ATLKingpin

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The fucked up part for me working downtown is I can’t get into a movie 100%....Tupac got beat up, Vin Diesel dipped from the cops, ice cube and Kevin hart got into it, ant man flew, 50 Cent got shot, and Jamie Fox saved his son all on the same spot on Broad Street :itsawrap:
 

0utsyder

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they could be playing games... or still negotiating away to do it

imo it makes the premise of a non spidey venom origin story really stupid if Peter has a cameo

Cause the Spiderman 3 story was SOOO well done! :D How does it make it stupid?

Based off of what we are seeing, (and I have mentioned this before) I could see the symbiote rejecting Eddie for Peter thus creating Eddie's hatred for Peter and then Peter rejecting the symbiote and reuniting with Eddie playing on Eddie's hatred of Peter. I believe the Ultimate Spiderman series had this same structure.
 

T_Holmes

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I haven't read venom since Todd McFarlane's Spider-Man, so maybe I'm wrong on the tone- but imo for a SOLO venom flick?

they should have done this as a tense horror-type flick; ( like darkman or something) or AT LEAST be as gritty as the netflix Punisher.

his relationship with the symbiote should have audiences wondering whether Eddie is crazy or actually hearing voices... and the damn thing sounds like he could discus global politics with it. Should sound more primal imo
You ain't wrong. That's exactly how it should have run.
 

ViCiouS

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Cause the Spiderman 3 story was SOOO well done! :D How does it make it stupid?

Based off of what we are seeing, (and I have mentioned this before) I could see the symbiote rejecting Eddie for Peter thus creating Eddie's hatred for Peter and then Peter rejecting the symbiote and reuniting with Eddie playing on Eddie's hatred of Peter. I believe the Ultimate Spiderman series had this same structure.
not happening - Sony can't use Tom Holland as Spiderman or Peter Parker yet
there are 1 or 2 more Spiderman movies plus the MCU crossovers- before they can make that move
If Holland shows up in Venom it will only be a cameo nothing more

Spiderman 3 makes the point exactly - it was shit writing -
everything done with Spidey at Sony since has been shit writing -
the people half assing Venom & friends and Silver /Cat sleepover movies
are the same geniuses that green lit this:

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so of course they would consider dumb writing like a non spidey origin for Venom with an "un named" / uncredited Peter Parker cameo - atleast until the Mouse Law Firm starts sending letters

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The Plutonian

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I fucking hate her . She get exposed for her leaked emails shitting on actors especially Kevin hart. As a loophole , she leaves her position at Sony and just produces the same movies she has in production. Fiege saved their ass with homecoming. The interview with her and fiege shows you she doesn't give a fuck about the fans. Talking different universes for Spider-Man. Stupid bitch. That venom flick look like a early 2000 superhero flick. The only I like was Eddie trying to reason with it about only harming bad guys. But there's no spidey .

Hey, thx for reminding me of that. I’ll see it on old faithful. Kodi:yawn:
 

Black A. Camus

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I saw an extended trailer for it today for it when I saw Deadpool 2. I'm not a comic book guy, so I don't know a whole lot about Venom. If they do it right it has the potential to be a good movie. The extended trailer showed him running from people and mostly being defensive. They only showed Venom once: But he looked menacing. Who knows, maybe in the last third of the movie Venom will take over his host and rampage on a psychotic killing spree. Like I said, if they do it right it has potential.
 
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gtg305h

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This is going to be stupid, how do they explain the look of Venom without at least a tangential relationship with Spider-Man? A Venom movie in the absence of Spidey at all makes no sense...
 
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playahaitian

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Todd McFarlane Wants Venom and Spawn to Crossover on the Big Screen

Writer and director Todd McFarlane has announced in an interview that he’d like to see a crossover between two key characters from the upcoming movies, Spawn and Venom. Venom is currently in post-production and will be released in October of this year while McFarlane's Spawn reboot starring Jamie Foxx is expected to be released in 2019.

Since the early '90s, McFarlane has contributed tremendously to the Marvel and DC comic and movie universes as a writer and director and co-founded his own comic book publishing company, Image Comics. Through his impressive career in books and film, he has touched on a few infamous characters, most recently of which, Venom, a character last seen on the silver screen as the main antagonist in 2007’s Spider-Man 3. He’s also directed some iconic metal music videos and of course, created the character of Spawn, a hellish antihero played by Michael Jai White in the original movie released in 1997.

Related: Todd McFarlane Thinks 'Emotion' is Key to Spawn Movie's Success

In an exclusive interview with CBR, McFarlane stated that if Sony were to distribute Spawn (after having distributed Venom in October), he’d like to see a crossover between the two characters. Even having said that it’s a “big what if”, the writer-director plans to present the idea to Sony executives once it’s ready. The movies are both set to be R-rated as is the current fashion with comic book-inspired movies following the success of both Deadpool installments and James Mangold’s 2017 box office hit Logan, an extension of the X-Men franchise.


The Spawn reboot is just over a year away and is set to be both written and directed by McFarlane. It will include a director's cameo and an appearance from Stan Lee. Having created the character himself, the level of creative control held by the man at the center of it all is pretty much limitless. With Venom coming out in just a matter of months (as of this writing), McFarlane is surely optimistic about the possibility of a crossover.

The long-anticipated Venom movie stars renowned British actor Tom Hardy (Inception, The Dark Knight Rises) as Eddie Brock and his alter-ego, a sentient alien symbiote in liquid form that requires a human host with which to bond to ensure its survival. This could couple very well with the character of Spawn, a trained assassin who was betrayed and sent to Hell, only to rise again, leading an army of demons to burn down the gates of Paradise. A universe where these two characters could co-exist (either as accomplices or enemies) would truly be an exciting addition to Sony’s impressive roster.
 

0utsyder

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Todd McFarlane Wants Venom and Spawn to Crossover on the Big Screen

Writer and director Todd McFarlane has announced in an interview that he’d like to see a crossover between two key characters from the upcoming movies, Spawn and Venom. Venom is currently in post-production and will be released in October of this year while McFarlane's Spawn reboot starring Jamie Foxx is expected to be released in 2019.

Since the early '90s, McFarlane has contributed tremendously to the Marvel and DC comic and movie universes as a writer and director and co-founded his own comic book publishing company, Image Comics. Through his impressive career in books and film, he has touched on a few infamous characters, most recently of which, Venom, a character last seen on the silver screen as the main antagonist in 2007’s Spider-Man 3. He’s also directed some iconic metal music videos and of course, created the character of Spawn, a hellish antihero played by Michael Jai White in the original movie released in 1997.

Related: Todd McFarlane Thinks 'Emotion' is Key to Spawn Movie's Success

In an exclusive interview with CBR, McFarlane stated that if Sony were to distribute Spawn (after having distributed Venom in October), he’d like to see a crossover between the two characters. Even having said that it’s a “big what if”, the writer-director plans to present the idea to Sony executives once it’s ready. The movies are both set to be R-rated as is the current fashion with comic book-inspired movies following the success of both Deadpool installments and James Mangold’s 2017 box office hit Logan, an extension of the X-Men franchise.


The Spawn reboot is just over a year away and is set to be both written and directed by McFarlane. It will include a director's cameo and an appearance from Stan Lee. Having created the character himself, the level of creative control held by the man at the center of it all is pretty much limitless. With Venom coming out in just a matter of months (as of this writing), McFarlane is surely optimistic about the possibility of a crossover.

The long-anticipated Venom movie stars renowned British actor Tom Hardy (Inception, The Dark Knight Rises) as Eddie Brock and his alter-ego, a sentient alien symbiote in liquid form that requires a human host with which to bond to ensure its survival. This could couple very well with the character of Spawn, a trained assassin who was betrayed and sent to Hell, only to rise again, leading an army of demons to burn down the gates of Paradise. A universe where these two characters could co-exist (either as accomplices or enemies) would truly be an exciting addition to Sony’s impressive roster.


Just why!?!?! Aren't these franchises ruined enough?!?!
 

playahaitian

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Sony's Spider-Villain Universe Should Just Recast Spider-Man

Sony's Venom is intended to be the beginning of a Spider-villains universe - but realistically, the studio needs to recast Spider-Man to reach its full potential. In 2015, Marvel Studios and Sony launched an unprecedented deal that saw the latest iteration of Spider-Man, played by Tom Holland, join the MCU. But Sony was still determined to do their own thing with the Spider-Man franchise, and those plans begin with this year's Venom and the animated Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.

So far, though, the most intense debate has been whether or not the Sony Spider-villain movies are considered part of the wider MCU or not. First reports were that Venom was a separate, distinct project, but Spider-Man: Homecoming producer Amy Pascal confused the issue when she described the Sony spinoffs as "adjuncts" to the MCU. She seemed to be describing the same kind of relationship the TV shows have with the Marvel movies. But her comment was followed by a stream of supposed "clarifications," both from herself and Kevin Feige, all of which essentially served to muddy the water. The latest update seems to be that Venom is not part of the wider MCU at all; Avengers: Infinity War director Joe Russo was forthright in claiming that it wasn't, while the most recent sources have described Venom and the rest of the Spider-villain films as "a separate world from last year's Spider-Man: Homecoming."

Related: All The Evidence Venom Is Actually In The MCU

A core problem is that it's not easy to see how some of Sony's proposed spinoffs can work without Spider-Man. Venom's trailers have revealed the tongue-slavering symbiote's rewritten origin, one centered upon a crashed alien spaceship and illegal experiments by the Life Foundation. But while Venom is the star of a comic book franchise in his (their?) own right, some of the other spinoffs feature characters who've only ever really existed in the context of their relationship with Spider-Man. Take Black Cat, for example; barring a couple of crossover miniseries with Wolverine, of all people, she's best known for her flirtatious relationship with the wall-crawler, serving as his version of Catwoman - sometimes ally and even lover, sometimes opponent. Many viewers are skeptical as to whether or not these films can work without Spider-Man.

THE PROBLEM WITH TOM HOLLAND "CAMEOS"

There are persistent rumors that Sony's workaround for this will be a string of Tom Holland cameos, with one believed to happen in Venom. Sources close to the production told Screen Rant that one scene in Venom sees Life Foundation boss Carlton Drake leading a school field trip around the building. That tidbit led us to suggest that perhaps the Tom Holland cameo will simply be a glimpse of Peter Parker as one of the students, presumably on an extended trip with his school. If that's the case, it would seem that Sony wants viewers to believe their films are at least tangentially connected to the MCU, even if they don't want to make it explicit.

But is that really enough? This would essentially be the same kind of ambiguous relationship the MCU movies have with the TV shows, with cameos only ever working one-way. The Marvel TV shows, such as Daredevil, Cloak & Dagger, and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., reference the movies; but the films never reference the small-screen adventures. Indeed, the very fact characters are consigned to the TV shows precludes them from appearing on the big screen. With Vincent D'Onofrio playing Kingpin in Daredevil, the villain is never going to appear facing off against Spider-Man. Luke Cage will never join a team of Avengers, given Mike Colter plays the "bulletproof black guy" in his own Marvel Netflix series.

In exactly the same way, the Sony Spider-villain movies would only ever have the most subtle nods to the MCU. Tom Hardy's Venom will never make the jump into a Spider-Man film, meaning the much-loved rivalry between Venom and Spidey will never be brought into the MCU. The same is true with Black Cat; there's never going to be a scene in which she attempts to seduce the wall-crawler (in the Ultimate Comics universe, such a flirtatious moment came to a hilarious end when Black Cat realized how young Spider-Man really is). The Tom Holland cameos won't resolve this issue; they'll underscore it, reminding viewers that this Spider-villains film franchise can only ever be loosely connected.

Related: Venom Movie Villains: All The Symbiotes Confirmed So Far

THESE CHARACTERS NEED SPIDER-MAN EVENTUALLY

The problem facing Sony is that each of these characters is originally designed to serve as a foil for Spider-Man. It's true that the web slinger's rogues gallery is one of the best developed in the entire comic book industry, but each of these characters works best in stories that explore their relationship with Spider-Man. Venom is compelling as an antihero precisely because he contrasts so markedly with Spider-Man; even the classic Venom: Lethal Protector miniseries, inspiration for Sony's Venom movie, saw Spider-Man pursue his old foe to San Francisco. Black Cat works best as an awkward love interest, challenging Peter Parker's morality. "Kraven's Last Hunt" is the most memorable story featuring Kraven the Hunter, but that will now never be reproduced accurately on the big screen. Using these characters without Spider-Man will simply leave the Sony Spider-villain universe feeling diminished and impoverished, with anyone familiar with the comics knowing the films could be so much more.

It's possible Sony is attempting to fill this gap with the character of Silk. In contrast to the other properties Sony is developing, Silk is no villain; she's a hero who was created by writer Dan Slott back in 2014, bitten by the same radioactive spider as Peter Parker. Many of Cindy Moon's powers are analogous to Spider-Man's, although she has natural webbing. But, again, simply introducing a Spider-Man-esque character will serve to highlight Peter Parker's absence.

WHY RECASTING SPIDER-MAN IS A GOOD IDEA
There's one way Sony can fill this Spider-Man-sized hole in their shared cinematic universe, and that's dropping all pretense that these spinoffs are part of the MCU and recast Spider-Man. Sony could perhaps go for an older, even slightly darker, iteration of the wall-crawler; perhaps one similar to Andrew Garfield's. That would suitably differentiate their version of Spider-Man from the MCU's. Where Tom Holland's Spider-Man would interact with MCU heroes like Iron Man and Doctor Strange, Sony's iteration would romance the Black Cat, clash with Venom, and struggle to survive the threat of Kraven the Hunter.

It's not like Sony are unaware of this potential. This year's animated movie, Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, even sets the precedent; it establishes the idea that Spider-Men exist in countless realities, and introduces different versions of Peter Parker. Viewers don't seem to mind one bit.

Related: Into The Spider-Verse: Other Crazy Spider-Men That Can Appear

Warner Bros. is taking a similar approach with the Joker. There are no less than six different Joker-centric films in various stages of production, with both Jared Leto and Joaquin Phoenix tapped to play the Clown Prince of Crime. The studio clearly believes that, so long as the different iterations of the Joker are distinctive enough, viewers will be fine with seeing multiple portrayals of the same character on the big screen. The same is true of the Flash; although Warner Bros. initially worried about the possibility of brand dilution, pulling Harley Quinn from Arrow after they decided to push ahead with Suicide Squad, the studio seems to have relaxed a lot. Ezra Miller's portrayal of Flash is very different to Grant Gustin's TV version, and the average viewer isn't even bothering to compare them.

In just the same way, if Sony cast the right actor as Peter Parker, they should be able to generate the same kind of positive buzz and push ahead with a far stronger franchise.

IS SONY ALLOWED TO RECAST SPIDER-MAN?

But there's one snag; it's entirely possible that Sony isn't allowed to recast the role of Spider-Man. It all depends upon the studio's deal with Marvel Studios. If Marvel Studios is making solo Spider-Man films, is Sony prohibited from direct use of Peter Parker? Would they be able to cast a Spider-Man who serves as a secondary character, rather than the star of a film? Naturally, the full status of the deal is a closely-guarded secret, so there's no way to know for sure. But even if the contract is silent on this matter, that doesn't mean Sony will want to take the risk and damage the goodwill.

More: Venom Theory: Riot Will Turn Into Carnage

It's also very possible that Sony actually wants their spinoffs to be loosely set in the wider MCU. By that reading, they're hoping their films will profit from the overarching Marvel brand, and that cameos and subtle nods will be enough to satisfy general viewers. There's certainly precedent for this idea; after all, the Marvel TV shows remain successful in spite of the fact their tie-ins will only ever be subtle and one-way. Every loose connection is celebrated by viewers with real delight. If Sony does intend to take this approach - and the ambiguous and confusing comments to date definitely leave that possibility open to the studio - then recasting Spidey is out of the question.

Right now, Sony's approach appears to be to hint that their spinoffs are set in the wider MCU, without making it explicit. It's an understandable approach, as it hopefully allows the studio to benefit from the hugely successful shared universe. But, in the long run, it's a self-defeating one; it impoverishes the characters and concepts Sony hopes to explore, removing some of their best character dynamics and most compelling arcs. Sony would be wise to ditch the MCU, and to bring in their own version of Spider-Man to serve as a foil for this world of Spider-Man villains.
 

gdatruth

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I try to got the movies every weekend
might still see this for shits and jiggles cause the only alternative is A Star Is Born
 
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