Football Beef: Cris Carter, Randy Moss engage in good ol’ feud

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Cris Carter, Randy Moss engage in good ol’ feud​

Randy Moss has announced his intention of returning to the NFL after one season off and he’s attempting a comeback with the gloves off.

Moss fired back on Cris Carter, his former teammate with the Minnesota Vikings, and our friend Kevin Seifert, who masterfully runs the NFC North blog over at ESPN.com, did a terrific job of sizing up the action.
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News on Moss has been out for a couple days and Carter weighed in on it this morning on “Mike & Mike in the Morning”on ESPN Radio. Carter had some very pointed remarks regarding Moss and his recent history in the NFL.

“The one thing you have to address with Randy Moss is not a conditioning thing,” Carter said, brushing aside concerns about where or not Moss can still be a legitimate vertical threat. “It’s not an age thing. It needs to be addressed. I believe it’s the elephant in the room. It’s that thing called quit.

“And Randy, not like any other superstar I’ve met, he has more quit in him than any of those other players. ​

So I need to addresses that. That’s what [New England Patriots coach Bill] Belichick did when he brought him over from Oakland. He told him he wasn’t going to have it.

“But Randy, when things don’t go well, like no other player I’ve ever been around or associated with, he has a quit mechanism in him that’s huge. That needs to be addressed before he signs with any team.”​

Wow.

That’s what we call dropping a bomb. Carter makes some valid points and all you have to reference back to is how Moss handled his return to Minnesota in 2010 when the Vikings traded for him and then he completely let the team down in every imaginable way. It was embarrassing and it led to a quick end for Brad Childress.

Moss must have heard it or heard about it because he came back firing with both barrels on his new Twitter account.

“its sad how u stroked ur own ego when u were suppose to b my mentor!then u wonder why karma bites u in the ass! #goodlukwhof,” Moss wrote.​

Wow.



So, there you have Moss telling Carter what comes around goes around, especially when Pro Football Hall of Fame voting comes around every February. Carter was shut out from Canton again this year. One of the complaints against Carter is he was rarely the No. 1 wide receiver on his own team, and certainly Moss overshadowed Carter when they were teammates together with the Vikings.

Later, Moss attempted to smooth it over a little.

“Cc no matter I still luv u bruh,” Moss tweeted.

Carter made points worth pondering: Will Moss be able to find a team willing to overlook some real flaws in him? Or was he a quitter one too many times?

 

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[3 Times]

Bomani Jones makes a GREAT point on Moss' quit reputation being extremely misunderstood and I agree with him.

 

[vandamation]

Bomani Jones makes a GREAT point on Moss quit reputation being extremely misunderstood and I agree with him.

I like Bomani... BUT... Cris was on the field and in the trenches with the man... so I give way more credence to Cris on this than Bomani...

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

 

[Naha-Nago]

Both doing their best to give voters frivolous excuses to not put them in the HOF.

*two cents*

 

[playahaitian]

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[playahaitian]

both doing their best to give voters frivolous excuses to not put them in the hof.

*two cents*

was moss' hof joke too far???​

 

[Tha_Technician323]

Bottom line is Cris didn't say shit no one else doesn't already know....I feel Randy went too far with that HOF diss because Cris probably showed that nigga what being a Pro Receiver in the NFL was all about back in the Vikings days....When you got your own competition "Revis" saying that you "give up and quit on plays" basically saying he "gets bored covering you" because if it ain't coming your way you not doing anything else to influence the game shit I rest my case......

 

[Nzinga]

I do not know or care whether what Cris Carter is saying is true or not, but I am with Randy on this one. For a very long time, I have heard Carter say things that were very patronising about Randy, and Randy said nothing. Randy respected Carter like an older brother, but Carter behaved like an older bitch. The rule of being an older brother is that you must respect your younger brothers if you want them to respect you. Carter went too far by calling Randy a quitter and validating everything the nay-sayers, many of them racists, have said about Randy, and essentially cut the marketability of the man... I am sorry, but if I was Randy I would have gone farther and invoked the drug-stained past of Cris Carter. This is exactly why people in this country do not command respect of those younger than them. They abuse that priviledge.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

was moss' hof joke too far???​

not far enough
you don't say that shit..cris bitter and basically denying moss a job.

 

[Nzinga]

not far enough
you don't say that shit..cris bitter and basically denying moss a job.

Thank you.

 

[AntiguanSexx]

not far enough
you don't say that shit..cris bitter and basically denying moss a job.

This..

 

[AllState17]

Bomani Jones makes a GREAT point on Moss' quit reputation being extremely misunderstood and I agree with him.

How is Moss "quit" misunderstood?

Did Bomani Jones watch Moss in Oakland where he took entire games off at a time?

It not just a matter of half-assing 2 routes a game with this guy.

 

[AllState17]

not far enough
you don't say that shit..cris bitter and basically denying moss a job.

Cris is bitter about what?

And what did he say about Moss?

Cris didnt even say Moss is a quitter (which he is, when things dont go his way). Cris just said thats what teams are gonna want to adress before they sign him.

Cris gets paid to give his honest opinion.

You think Moss didnt have that quitter label on him before Cris told the truth? lol.

 

[Man_Of_STeeL]

i'd like to see moss get another shot...although i don't think he will... the NFL..tends to move on... they seem to only ask old white qb's to come back to the league..

and i think moss's comments about takin' plays off were blown waaaaayyyy out of proportion...

like they mentioned on espn...he's never been seriously injured.. and there's nobody better at adjustin' to the ball when it's in the air...

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

How is Moss "quit" misunderstood?

Did Bomani Jones watch Moss in Oakland where he took entire games off at a time?

It not just a matter of half-assing 2 routes a game with this guy.

aye, i saw him in oakland, i don't understand what he was supposed to do, to be productive...he isn't a rb.
they havent had a qb since gannon.
he is not a miracle worker

went to ne and did what?
then got matt looking better than he was and got him a starting job as well.
the vikings coach tried to make moss the problem..like he was the reason the team was losing...when we all know it wasnt true.. and it didn't save his job


show me a wr that plays full speed every down...there isn't one in the nfl.

show me a wr that has literally made careers...

how many qb's did he give life to?


revis talked shit
got burnt then left the game.

i saw a hobbled hamstring moss STILL go into green bay and catch crucial td's on 1 leg.

nobody can ever question his conditioning or i.q.

if he's so bad how come brady and bellicheat didnt have 1 not 1 negative word to say about him?
they don't hold tongues

everyone around him has called him an intelligent football player

chris carter mark ass gonna say...oh he just want that ring, when chris knows if he was able..he'd play special teams right now just to get one.

moss didnt want to play so he didn't
he's nowhere near broke...he has never destroyed locker rooms
teams would be silly to not pick up a motivated randy moss.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Cris is bitter about what?

And what did he say about Moss?

Cris didnt even say Moss is a quitter (which he is, when things dont go his way). Cris just said thats what teams are gonna want to adress before they sign him.

Cris gets paid to give his honest opinion.

You think Moss didnt have that quitter label on him before Cris told the truth? lol.

not getting into the hof

he did say he is a quitter.
the label is bs.

1 question about needing to get hype to play against specific teams...
and his answer being those teams don't give me extra motivation, im already motivated i play when i want to play

turned into "moss takes plays off"

 

[Mt. Yukon]

Its not like Cris said Randy secretly wants to be white or some dumb unfounded shit. Its been whispered for a LONG time that Randy "plays when he wants to." Thats outta his own damn mouth. The use of the word quit leaves room for debat. But Randy and anyone else taking his side is missing the greater point. If Randy would have given it his all for most of his career this wouldnt even be mentioned. T.O. for all his drama has never been questioned on gameday... If Randy never gets another job its his own damn fault... I remember reading about his antics in Minnesota his 2nd time.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Its not like Cris said Randy secretly wants to be white or some dumb unfounded shit. Its been whispered for a LONG time that Randy "plays when he wants to." Thats outta his own damn mouth. The use of the word quit leaves room for debat. But Randy and anyone else taking his side is missing the greater point. If Randy would have given it his all for most of his career this wouldnt even be mentioned. T.O. for all his drama has never been questioned on gameday... If Randy never gets another job its his own damn fault... I remember reading about his antics in Minnesota his 2nd time.

1 question about needing to get hype to play against specific teams...
and his answer being those teams don't give me extra motivation, im already motivated i play when i want to play

turned into "moss takes plays off"

 

[fatsack1]

moss hall of fame....1st ballot....


Chris carter......good luck....

 

[3 Times]

How is Moss "quit" misunderstood?

Did Bomani Jones watch Moss in Oakland where he took entire games off at a time?

It not just a matter of half-assing 2 routes a game with this guy.

According to Bomani Jones' argument, Randy Moss is literally a football genius, a child prodigy turn genius. Randy knew when he was and wasn't getting the ball and to the audience it looks as if he isn't playing hard on every play. Also geniuses tend to get bored at the mundane and being a receiver knowing you aren't getting the ball because of double and triple coverage Randy definitely showed that he was bored out there. But ask Tom Brady and Pats what Randy can do once you get him the rock.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

1 question about needing to get hype to play against specific teams...
and his answer being those teams don't give me extra motivation, im already motivated i play when i want to play

turned into "moss takes plays off"

My dude, if thats ALL the ammunition he EVER gave people throughout his career then that quote would be a mere footnote. But rumors like that dont just come from one quote. Randy is known to pout if hes not happy... Again this shit doesnt pop out of thin air. You guys wanna cape for him cool. But theres a reason that perception exists. The shit he pulled in Minnesota??? http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/11/restaurant-owner-randy-moss-disparaged-him-food-inside-vikings-locker-room/1#.TztE35fpxQAYour rebuttal for that???

The press conference sucking off the Pats, him calling out his coach in Minnesota... Randy his himself to blame for his overall perception... You cant pin that shit on anyone else.

 

[BGLR1212000]

I still remember Moss TORCHED Revis, caught that shit one handed. Revis came up like his hamstring was hurt

 

[AllState17]

aye, i saw him in oakland, i don't understand what he was supposed to do, to be productive...he isn't a rb.
they havent had a qb since gannon.
he is not a miracle worker

went to ne and did what?
then got matt looking better than he was and got him a starting job as well.
the vikings coach tried to make moss the problem..like he was the reason the team was losing...when we all know it wasnt true.. and it didn't save his job


show me a wr that plays full speed every down...there isn't one in the nfl.

show me a wr that has literally made careers...

how many qb's did he give life to?


revis talked shit
got burnt then left the game.

i saw a hobbled hamstring moss STILL go into green bay and catch crucial td's on 1 leg.

nobody can ever question his conditioning or i.q.

if he's so bad how come brady and bellicheat didnt have 1 not 1 negative word to say about him?
they don't hold tongues

everyone around him has called him an intelligent football player

chris carter mark ass gonna say...oh he just want that ring, when chris knows if he was able..he'd play special teams right now just to get one.

moss didnt want to play so he didn't
he's nowhere near broke...he has never destroyed locker rooms
teams would be silly to not pick up a motivated randy moss.

No one asked him to work miracles in Oakland.

You wanna talk about RBs and how bad the QB was?

Care to explain how he was the 2nd best receiver on his own team? Talent-wise, how can anyone explain Jerry Porter outperforming him?

Moss earned this rep. When things are going good for him, he balls, when things are bad, he quits.

By the way, who are these players that Belichek and Brady have bad-mouthed on their way out of NE?

And at the end of the day, Cris still gets paid to give information and opinion. Thats his job. Why are you guys trying to shit on dude for stating the obvious?

 

[Mt. Yukon]

According to Bomani Jones' argument, Randy Moss is literally a football genius, a child prodigy turn genius. Randy knew when he was and wasn't getting the ball and to the audience it looks as if he isn't playing hard on every play. Also geniuses tend to get bored at the mundane and being a receiver knowing you aren't getting the ball because of double and triple coverage Randy definitely showed that he was bored out there. But ask Tom Brady and Pats what Randy can do once you get him the rock.

We all know he is great, but not running crisp routes affects other receivers. Him "lifting" the coverage, playing decoy, creates space for other people to work. Blocking on running plays... Its more to "quiting" than just being lazy on a route or two. If 1 person doesnt do their job the play doesnt work. As a coach a great WR may get the ball 10 times... Well run 70 plus plays a game. So basically I have to hope that the 10 times you get the ball makes up for the other 50 you dont do your job effectively??? Then you factor in Randy is only great at certain routes. After a 50 yard slo-go hes gotta come out for a play or two and thats more plays hes not doing his job... Ummmm no... The only reason he got away with that is because he was so great, but at this point in his career he aint that great. Its more to playing receiver than catching passes and stats...

 

[AllState17]

not getting into the hof

he did say he is a quitter.
the label is bs.

1 question about needing to get hype to play against specific teams...
and his answer being those teams don't give me extra motivation, im already motivated i play when i want to play

turned into "moss takes plays off"

You right he did say Moss has quit in him.

Is he wrong or is he doing his job by stating the obvious?

And again, the quitting does not start and end with that quote.

Why call Cris bitter about the HOF like the voting has anything to do with Moss?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

My dude, if thats ALL the ammunition he EVER gave people throughout his career then that quote would be a mere footnote. But rumors like that dont just come from one quote. Randy is known to pout if hes not happy... Again this shit doesnt pop out of thin air. You guys wanna cape for him cool. But theres a reason that perception exists. The shit he pulled in Minnesota??? http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/11/restaurant-owner-randy-moss-disparaged-him-food-inside-vikings-locker-room/1#.TztE35fpxQAYour rebuttal for that???

The press conference sucking off the Pats, him calling out his coach in Minnesota... Randy his himself to blame for his overall perception... You cant pin that shit on anyone else.

he just came from a place where it was about the team
and then went to a place where it was about 1 person who could do no wrong even if they fucking stunk it up favre)

moss came to the coaching office and told them what the patriots were gonna do and what they'd like to do offensively.

the coaching staff said yea whatever you don't know what you're talking about.

during the game defensive players were saying that the stuff moss was telling them giving them tips...were exactly what the patriots were doing.

the coach cut moss cause he called him out cause he was fucking stupid.

shortly afterwards the coach was fired for being fucking stupid

its not me trying to cape for moss its me being objective and looking at everything

he doesn't quit
does he pout yes
i can't say he's quit. and that's what chris is either suggesting or just flat out stating and its foul

 

[D-TOWN REP]

I cant say I disagree with Chris Carter

Dont get me wrong Randy Moss is the best WR to ever put on a NFL uniform besides Jerry Rice but as even Jerry Rice has said he had the talent to PASS HIM

Randy Moss will quit on you if he doesn't like what's going on

Period

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

No one asked him to work miracles in Oakland.

You wanna talk about RBs and how bad the QB was?

Care to explain how he was the 2nd best receiver on his own team? Talent-wise, how can anyone explain Jerry Porter outperforming him?

Moss earned this rep. When things are going good for him, he balls, when things are bad, he quits.

By the way, who are these players that Belichek and Brady have bad-mouthed on their way out of NE?

And at the end of the day, Cris still gets paid to give information and opinion. Thats his job. Why are you guys trying to shit on dude for stating the obvious?

that's easy as fuck to explain@porter.

whenever randy moss is on the field...at that time at up until his last season he is double covered PERIOD.
so if 2 people are on moss.
how many are on porter?

when things are going good (winning he's a big part of it)
when things aren't going good supposedly how is he quitting? he isn't dropping passes and he isn't all facets of the team i don't see the quitting, quitting is a serious accusation and unfair label i feel.

scottie pippen refusing to go into the game is fucking quitting.
not shit moss was doing imo.

not even about bad mouthing.
they went out of their way to say how much they enjoyed him how great a mind and player he was AFTER they cut him.

when they cut people...they just send them dudes on..

and im shitting on chris because dude was supposed to be his mentor. you dont' say that shit.
you can say yea i played with moss, if he's motivated he's an asset so just find out if he's motivated before you go ahead and pull the trigger...

see that? no harm no foul.

now did he say that? or did he go out of his way to express his feelings of on how large a scale moss quits?

 

[Mt. Yukon]

he just came from a place where it was about the team
and then went to a place where it was about 1 person who could do no wrong even if they fucking stunk it up favre)

moss came to the coaching office and told them what the patriots were gonna do and what they'd like to do offensively.

the coaching staff said yea whatever you don't know what you're talking about.

during the game defensive players were saying that the stuff moss was telling them giving them tips...were exactly what the patriots were doing.

the coach cut moss cause he called him out cause he was fucking stupid.

shortly afterwards the coach was fired for being fucking stupid

its not me trying to cape for moss its me being objective and looking at everything

he doesn't quit
does he pout yes
i can't say he's quit. and that's what chris is either suggesting or just flat out stating and its foul

I didnt like Childress. I thought he was a bitch, but you cant call your coach out... Thats not how it works. Treating people like shit because youre rich and theyre not is also not how it works. Since the ninja wanna talk about karma and all. Gushing about a team you no longer play for, not how shit works. You want your new chick gushing about how her ex used to bust her pussy open???: Right... The Pats dont sign your checks anymore pimpin. Come off that bullshit.

If Randy wouldve done everything right in that game it might have meant something. But him not running that go route the whole way through because he got the P.I. call could be looked upon as "quiting" Had he ran the route it was 6, but once he saw the flag come out he "quit" running the route.

The term quit is relative, but that one quote he said back in Minnesota his 1st time through aint where that label comes from. Randy should be a 1st ballot HOFer, Randy was a great, although lazy receiver. But dont act like Cris said some other shit that wasnt true. Randys rep is his own doing. Hes done borderline shit since he was at FSU... Even if the "quiter" label wasnt over his head, all the shit hes done over the years???

 

[AllState17]

that's easy as fuck to explain@porter.

whenever randy moss is on the field...at that time at up until his last season he is double covered PERIOD.
so if 2 people are on moss.
how many are on porter?

when things are going good (winning he's a big part of it)
when things aren't going good supposedly how is he quitting? he isn't dropping passes and he isn't all facets of the team i don't see the quitting, quitting is a serious accusation and unfair label i feel.

scottie pippen refusing to go into the game is fucking quitting.
not shit moss was doing imo.

not even about bad mouthing.
they went out of their way to say how much they enjoyed him how great a mind and player he was AFTER they cut him.

when they cut people...they just send them dudes on..

and im shitting on chris because dude was supposed to be his mentor. you dont' say that shit.
you can say yea i played with moss, if he's motivated he's an asset so just find out if he's motivated before you go ahead and pull the trigger...

see that? no harm no foul.

now did he say that? or did he go out of his way to express his feelings of on how large a scale moss quits?

If I went with your explanation... the top receivers would always be outperformed by their far less talented teammates.

Moss had the talent to toy with double teams by the way. You think Moss wasnt doubled in NE??? You think Fitz, Johnson (both), Welker... dont get doubled? And none of them can see Moss talent.

I just dont have it in me to excuse away lack of effort like you did.

Cris aint his mentor no more. They aint teammates, havent been for years. Cris done show him the NFL ropes. Its over. Cris job (giving his opinion) is more important then his relationship with Moss. And I respect Cris more knowing he aint letting someone off the hook just cause they used to be boys.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I didnt like Childress. I thought he was a bitch, but you cant call your coach out... Thats not how it works. Treating people like shit because youre rich and theyre not is also not how it works. Since the ninja wanna talk about karma and all. Gushing about a team you no longer play for, not how shit works. You want your new chick gushing about how her ex used to bush her pussy open???: Right... The Pats dont sign your checks anymore pimpin. Come off that bullshit.

If Randy wouldve done everything right in that game it might have meant something. But him not running that go route the whole way through because he got the P.I. call could be looked upon as "quiting" Had he ran the route it was 6, but once he saw the flag come out he "quit" running the route.

The term quit is relative, but that one quote he said back in Minnesota his 1st time through aint where that label comes from. Randy should be a 1st ballot HOFer, Randy was a great, although lazy receiver. But dont act like Cris said some other shit that wasnt true.

so he can't pay respect to the team he just left? how many weeks was it between him getting released and then going back and playing? this was a special circumstance
its not like it was the following season

i agree with calling out coaching is something you don't do.
but dammit i can't say i'd do different with childress not excusing it just my feeling on how shitty he truly was.


and because of the unfair label, shit that is commonplace is magnified and he is made out to be worse than he is.

is he an angel no

lazy wr? how can you fix your mouth to say that? lazy in what way?
not intelligence, not work ethic...his workouts are legendary just youtube em and see the players from around the nfl who went to work out specifically with him because it was a tough routine.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

If I went with your explanation... the top receivers would always be outperformed by their far less talented teammates.

Moss had the talent to toy with double teams by the way. You think Fitz, Johnson (both), Welker... dont get doubled? And none of them can see Moss talent.

I just dont have it in me to excuse away lack of effort like you did.

Cris aint his mentor no more. They aint teammates, havent been for years. Cris done show him the NFL ropes. Its over. Cris job (giving his opinion) is more important then his relationship with Moss. And I respect Cris more knowing he aint letting someone off the hook just cause they used to be boys.

so
you're going to act like moss' qb situation was anywhere near as good as theirs is? really?

once a mentor always a mentor
chris gave his opinion its cool. i don't hate chris i think its foul what he said
its funny though
cause the code applies sometimes
but not all the time.
like its ok for chris to speak on his playing days and experiences with moss and give his opinion
but if someone was to say a qb they played with was nervous in the huddle its breaking the code

 

[D-TOWN REP]

trotting on your routes

not putting any effort into blocking

not trying to get open

thats quitting

he did all that shit

you cant dispute that