For Most People, College Is a Waste of Time - **don't click if you're illiterate**

Dallas Bueller

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For Most People,
College Is a Waste of Time

By CHARLES MURRAY
August 13, 2008; Page A17

Imagine that America had no system of post-secondary education, and you were a member of a task force assigned to create one from scratch. One of your colleagues submits this proposal:

First, we will set up a single goal to represent educational success, which will take four years to achieve no matter what is being taught. We will attach an economic reward to it that seldom has anything to do with what has been learned. We will urge large numbers of people who do not possess adequate ability to try to achieve the goal, wait until they have spent a lot of time and money, and then deny it to them. We will stigmatize everyone who doesn't meet the goal. We will call the goal a "BA."

You would conclude that your colleague was cruel, not to say insane. But that's the system we have in place.

Finding a better way should be easy. The BA acquired its current inflated status by accident. Advanced skills for people with brains really did get more valuable over the course of the 20th century, but the acquisition of those skills got conflated with the existing system of colleges, which had evolved the BA for completely different purposes.

Outside a handful of majors -- engineering and some of the sciences -- a bachelor's degree tells an employer nothing except that the applicant has a certain amount of intellectual ability and perseverance. Even a degree in a vocational major like business administration can mean anything from a solid base of knowledge to four years of barely remembered gut courses.

The solution is not better degrees, but no degrees. Young people entering the job market should have a known, trusted measure of their qualifications they can carry into job interviews. That measure should express what they know, not where they learned it or how long it took them. They need a certification, not a degree.

The model is the CPA exam that qualifies certified public accountants. The same test is used nationwide. It is thorough -- four sections, timed, totaling 14 hours. A passing score indicates authentic competence (the pass rate is below 50%). Actual scores are reported in addition to pass/fail, so that employers can assess where the applicant falls in the distribution of accounting competence. You may have learned accounting at an anonymous online university, but your CPA score gives you a way to show employers you're a stronger applicant than someone from an Ivy League school.

The merits of a CPA-like certification exam apply to any college major for which the BA is now used as a job qualification. To name just some of them: criminal justice, social work, public administration and the many separate majors under the headings of business, computer science and education. Such majors accounted for almost two-thirds of the bachelor's degrees conferred in 2005. For that matter, certification tests can be used for purely academic disciplines. Why not present graduate schools with certifications in microbiology or economics -- and who cares if the applicants passed the exam after studying in the local public library?

Certification tests need not undermine the incentives to get a traditional liberal-arts education. If professional and graduate schools want students who have acquired one, all they need do is require certification scores in the appropriate disciplines. Students facing such requirements are likely to get a much better liberal education than even our most elite schools require now.

Certification tests will not get rid of the problems associated with differences in intellectual ability: People with high intellectual ability will still have an edge. Graduates of prestigious colleges will still, on average, have higher certification scores than people who have taken online courses -- just because prestigious colleges attract intellectually talented applicants.

But that's irrelevant to the larger issue. Under a certification system, four years is not required, residence is not required, expensive tuitions are not required, and a degree is not required. Equal educational opportunity means, among other things, creating a society in which it's what you know that makes the difference. Substituting certifications for degrees would be a big step in that direction.

The incentives are right. Certification tests would provide all employers with valuable, trustworthy information about job applicants. They would benefit young people who cannot or do not want to attend a traditional four-year college. They would be welcomed by the growing post-secondary online educational industry, which cannot offer the halo effect of a BA from a traditional college, but can realistically promise their students good training for a certification test -- as good as they are likely to get at a traditional college, for a lot less money and in a lot less time.

Certification tests would disadvantage just one set of people: Students who have gotten into well-known traditional schools, but who are coasting through their years in college and would score poorly on a certification test. Disadvantaging them is an outcome devoutly to be wished.

No technical barriers stand in the way of evolving toward a system where certification tests would replace the BA. Hundreds of certification tests already exist, for everything from building code inspectors to advanced medical specialties. The problem is a shortage of tests that are nationally accepted, like the CPA exam.

But when so many of the players would benefit, a market opportunity exists. If a high-profile testing company such as the Educational Testing Service were to reach a strategic decision to create definitive certification tests, it could coordinate with major employers, professional groups and nontraditional universities to make its tests the gold standard. A handful of key decisions could produce a tipping effect. Imagine if Microsoft announced it would henceforth require scores on a certain battery of certification tests from all of its programming applicants. Scores on that battery would acquire instant credibility for programming job applicants throughout the industry.

An educational world based on certification tests would be a better place in many ways, but the overarching benefit is that the line between college and noncollege competencies would be blurred. Hardly any jobs would still have the BA as a requirement for a shot at being hired. Opportunities would be wider and fairer, and the stigma of not having a BA would diminish.

Most important in an increasingly class-riven America: The demonstration of competency in business administration or European history would, appropriately, take on similarities to the demonstration of competency in cooking or welding. Our obsession with the BA has created a two-tiered entry to adulthood, anointing some for admission to the club and labeling the rest as second-best.

Here's the reality: Everyone in every occupation starts as an apprentice. Those who are good enough become journeymen. The best become master craftsmen. This is as true of business executives and history professors as of chefs and welders. Getting rid of the BA and replacing it with evidence of competence -- treating post-secondary education as apprenticeships for everyone -- is one way to help us to recognize that common bond.

Mr. Murray is the W.H. Brady Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. This essay is adapted from his forthcoming book, "Real Education: Four Simple Truths for Bringing America's Schools Back to Reality" (Crown Forum).

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I got about half way through this bullshit before I had to stop and interject...

There is no monetary reward attached to an undergrad education... the fact that most employers require potential candidates to posses a degree of some sort should not come as a tall task to anyone entering the work force. Graduating college, especially in most liberal arts majors, is not hard at all. All it takes is discipline and a little bit of sacrifice, something that many non-degree holders lack, and perhaps the largest reason no one wants to employ them.

Having one nationwide standardized test as a basis for getting employment is an even more absurd idea. I think the hiring process (job interviews) is good enough to detect potential successful employees. A CPA allows one to become a PERSONAL accountant, meaning they can manage anyones finances. A test is needed to give someone that type of authority.

The bottom line is that we are living in tough times with a shitty job market and a weak dollar. Not to mention it is hard for black people to get jobs dues to racism and other barriers long established in the workforce. We should be encouraging our brothers to educate themselves and becoming qualified for respectable positions in the job market.

I agree that a college degree doesn't make someone an expert in a given field of study, but the entire experience builds character and allows people to develop skills they would not have otherwise learned sitting at home bitching about the job market from ages 18-22. For those that want to bitch about costs - college is free!!! You may not go to Harvard for free, but you can attend almost any community college for free and even get government grants to buy books of you are really that poor. Add that to the fact that you can go to school while working full-time, and there is no excuses not to attend other than one's own laziness.

Some people get a little job at age 18 and think they are big shit... but five or six years down the road when they "job" doesn't work out, they have no education to fall back on and no career skills. Who the fuck wants to hire someone that fits that description over someone with a college or post-grad education?

Colin Powell proof... but I write this because everyday I struggle to understand why my own friends don't go to school, even if it's part time. Niggas act like the jobs they have today are gonna last them until they're ready to retire. Shit, my 7 year old cousin couldn't tell me what 5+6 was and started talkin some bullshit about how much he hates school. :smh: Black people start off with some of the most fucked up foundations. I'm glad I was able to develop a passion for learning early on.

FUCK COLIN POWELL!!!

Go to school! Intern. Network. Don't take out loans to attend undergrad. Networking and interning + a cheap education is equivalent to a 100k education. (Excluding Ivy league and top schools) And most importantly, believe in yourself. Too many black people feel inferior around white people when it comes to academics. If you work hard you will see results. Look for mail room jobs at companies you would like to work for, or in industries you take an interest in. Network like a bitch!
 
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Good info. :yes:


I lived in the library in undergrad. I was putting in work like I had a wife and kids to feed. I had to take a test to test my knowledge of my major before I left. If I didn't pass I didn't get my degree. Needless to say I know my subject matter. :yes: I thought my HBCU hated me. It was tough love I'm greatful for it.
 
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Excellent drop homes:yes:
 
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I can make the point much quicker.

At some point in the past, people didn't graduate from college with debt. Back then, college was worth it for some. Nowadays, college tuition beats just about everything over a given a ten year period for inflation. Now, debt is an EXPECTATION. And now, even though they'll pay you more if you have a diploma, most Americans are getting less, adjusted for inflation, than their grandparents got for simple hard work and on-the-job training.

And if you DO make, it, so what? All your extra earnings are tied up in interest and debt.

So the first generation to enter their twenties in debt has yet to retire, and most retirement plans are for shit in this era.

Yeah, college is a game. For most people. It was a miracle of American marketing though. Like toothpaste. Like Valentine's Day. Create something relatively useful, convince the world that their bums if they live without it, and if they buy your product, all their problems will be solved.
 
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Good read. Who would actually want to go thru all that work just to be an "employee".
 
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I agree that there are some careers that yes you don't need a degree for... But in reality, most liberal arts degrees mean one thing:

you are trainable.

What does an employer want? Someone who can be trained to perform well, that's why for most entry-level positions a potential job candidate needs to list his GPA, relevant coursework and the likes. To say that a standardized test like certification can weed out the competent from incompetent is foolish. Tests are not an accurate measure of intelligence.

I am a firm believer in higher education. Not only for the fact that knowledge is a wonderful thing. College is the one place in the world where you can go and read all day and not face ridicule from anyone, unless you'd rather go to jail. But even like someone else said, college is more than just classes, its a period of socialization. What better training for someone from an impoverished neighborhood who aspires to work in corporate America than to attend classes with kids, even adults, who come from that world. Socialization and networking are key factors to success.
 
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You could have used all the shit for a term paper. I'm broke paying these loans but I'm glad I went.
 
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Great post pimpin! And some excellent points made on both sides of this issue. I have to say that I'm the only person in my family that doesn't have a college degree. But at the same time I'm the highest earner, I work the least and I'm the only one thats a member of a High I.Q. Society. Its all relative. :D
 
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Good Post, I would never tell a young person this, but college isn't for everyone. It can be a complete waste of time, What should be learned in college is HOW TO THINK, and NETWORKING...And Yes I do have a degree and a few certifications.

Most people that I know personally, who have worked in corporate world for years eventually try to start their own business that is the natural progression...You will never get rich working for someone else ( read Rich Dad Poor Dad ).

Individuals my claim they are comfortable, and money isn't an issue, but trust me sooner or later it will become an issue, thats the society we live in - I didn't make the rules

Even with an advanced degree, most new hires have to be trained and will start on an Entry Level. .Monetary compensation shouldn't be the most valuable thing a job gives you, Information should

As a new business owner, I try to hire Individuals and teach them well, in hopes that one day they will start their own business...
Thats how the foreigner do it
We sit at the dinner table talking our kids into going to college, telling them they will get a good job, and when they graduate they end up with debt and entry level pay. Experience goes further than a degree in the hiring process - I do ALOT of hiring
Ex: I have two people who work for me; one started when he was 18 hes now 22 - for 4 years he worked hard, learned the business

I just hired a kid who is 22 fresh out of college, he has to be trained, good kid - very smart,
Now I ask you who has to train him? Who is more valuable to my company? you guessed it... the kid who has been working for me for 4 years...

As it stands today, having a trade is becoming more profitable than a college education
I know plenty of Carpenters, Plumber, Mechanics, even Barbers who are making more money than your average teacher

And the funny thing if they get fired, they will always have hustle to make ends meet

If I could do it again, I probably would have opted out of going to college, maybe take a night class or two. Interned somewhere, and then start my business
 
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and i had to post that ass again
 
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Nobody's arguing that. It's not really the point.

A degree is an advantage, no doubt. The problem is, as much as college costs, as deep in debt as those loans will put the average citizen, does it benefit the population or does it simply create higher level labor more cheaply?

The people who own the companies that employ lots of college educated people at a relatively low wage historically. They also invest in the financial institutions that the labor will be paying for ten years or so after college. And also in the credit card companies the same employees use because the student loan does cut into their income. And Debt vs. Assets is a much bigger swing in success than most people want to admit. Once you're debt free, you have momentum. Before that, you're still struggling.

I'm really not big on conspiracy theories, but when you look at how college costs are up like 20% every few years, it's crazy. The effect, conspiracy or not, is that college grads put a little in their own pocket, and a lot in their bosses.

And of course, the faster those bosses get rich, the faster they make the problem worse. The more impossible they make it to succeed at all, for the rest of the country, because of their snowballing financial clout.

And you gotta agree they need to fucking kill half the lame-ass degrees people get that don't do anything but waste money. Charge different rates for different degrees. Have a different length of time for less intense degrees. Something needs to be done.
 
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Good read. Yeah, fuck Colin, it's worth 5 minutes of your time.
 
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And you gotta agree they need to fucking kill half the lame-ass degrees people get that don't do anything but waste money. Charge different rates for different degrees. Have a different length of time for less intense degrees. Something needs to be done.

Attention, *******: College is not vocational school.
That is all.
 
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For those that want to bitch about costs - college is free!!! You may not go to Harvard for free, but you can attend almost any community college for free and even get government grants to buy books of you are really that poor. Add that to the fact that you can go to school while working full-time, and there is no excuses not to attend other than one's own laziness.


Lol

Well
That Doesnt Apply To Every Poor Person.
Espcially The Millions Of Black Males Who Have Drug Cases.

Ive Seen A Large Number Of Brothas That Got Denied Financial Aid Because Of Drug Cases That They Had In The Past.

They Ask U On The Application If U Ever Had A Drug Conviction.
answer yes..and you more than likely wil get get denied.
they consider you a danger to the civilized students on campus.
but what they dont know is the guys selling the most drugs on campus are the white boys living off their rich moms and dads.

Fucked Up System Huh

Even Community Colleges Charge Tuition.
So No...its Not Free For All.

Some Are Lazy...but Some Try And Stil Get Denied.....and Most Of Those That Get Denied Go Into Debt.



but anyways.
is a college degree needed for financial success?
No.
but i will admit some fields do require a college education.

like someone said before.....the college experience is something that can be used to help you grow into an "employer" in the future...instead of an employee.



you just really have to take your time and figure out what you want to do.
some dont figure it out until their 30+ years old.
if that the case..shall be it.


its better than sitting in college....changing majors every 2 years.
wasting money and basically not doing shit with you time.

i would like to know if most of the self employed on BGOL have a college degrees.
 
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Lol

Well
That Doesnt Apply To Every Poor Person.
Espcially The Millions Of Black Males Who Have Drug Cases.

Ive Seen A Large Number Of Brothas That Got Denied Financial Aid Because Of Drug Cases That They Had In The Past.

They Ask U On The Application If U Ever Had A Drug Conviction.
Fucked Up System Huh

Even Community Colleges Charge Tuition.
So No...its Not Free For All.

Some Are Lazy...but Some Try And Stil Get Denied.....and Most Of Those That Get Denied Go Into Debt.

yep 2 of my friends that got felonies (gun possesion, drug distribution)when they were young can't get no aid at all...so the system is fucked up...yeah I know they fucked up...but everyone makes mistakes....

now when these cats want to elevate in life they can't sad...stay out the system brothas...

next COLLEGE is not everything...I know mechanics....Foremans...Firefighters...Electricians making more than ppl out of college with degrees....not to mention they have a good ass union and amazing benefits...

NYPD were hiring plumbers and electricians starting at 30 an hour a few monthes back....

MTA train operator's can make 75k a year in NYC....

COLLEGE is not everything...I went 2 years then quit it wasn't for me...I love learning and will still seek knowledge....

but its not for me....I tell alot of young cats that its a great option but not the only option....
 
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that is real,
most boom ops, grips and sound people in the industry didnt goto school to learn the trade, they are usually taught and hired by a family member or someone they knew
its like a good ole boys network
 
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college is a great place to experience life, get away from home & build your confidence to believe that you can do great things,,, the misconception i noticed is that many of my fellow students thought this magic career would just be waiting for them when they graduated & they would be set for life :smh: ,,, you have to get out and grind whether you go to college or not

what i didn't like is that college only prepares you to become an "employee",,, they never once encouraged entrepreneurship,,, & the medical and law students graduating with $100k to $200k in school loans is insane,,, ironically, they will be spending most of their working years just to pay for for the school that helped them get the job,,, fortunately i don't have school loans to repay
 
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college is a great place to experience life, get away from home & build your confidence to believe that you can do great things,,, the misconception i noticed is that many of my fellow students thought this magic career would just be waiting for them when they graduated & they would be set for life :smh: ,,, you have to get out and grind whether you go to college or not

what i didn't like is that college only prepares you to become an "employee",,, they never once encouraged entrepreneurship,,, & the medical and law students graduating with $100k to $200k in school loans is insane,,, fortunately i don't have school loans to repay

DOPE POST SON....
 
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Get the fuck out of here with that shit. More black people need to go to college... point blank! we don't need more of this "college don't teach you shit" nonsense. We can only progress as a race with knowledge. And having a college education is a starting point. We can't all be Kanye
 
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Get the fuck out of here with that shit. More black people need to go to college... point blank! we don't need more of this "college don't teach you shit" nonsense. We can only progress as a race with knowledge. And having a college education is a starting point. We can't all be Kanye

wrong...like I said you don't need a college education to make over 80k.....or be sucessful...hell I know truck drivers making over 100k.....more than most cats with degree's

no one is saying college don't teach you shit...but like GAMEBOY said it teaches you how to become an employee....not employer....and the loans you take will be whipping ya ass for yrs after...still its the #1 option IMO...but they are others taht are just as good depending on the individual....

next we also need Blk Firefighters...Paramedics...Foremans...COPS...etc....not only are they good jobs they pay well....

COLLEGE is not everything...I should know....
 
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Get the fuck out of here with that shit. More black people need to go to college... point blank! we don't need more of this "college don't teach you shit" nonsense. We can only progress as a race with knowledge. And having a college education is a starting point. We can't all be Kanye

or Bill Gates.....or ____________ (fill in the blank with your own million/billionaire)

lol


most are not saying dont obtain knowledge.
just saying that college is not for everybody.
and it aint.


now would i go in the hood telling kids, "you dont need to go to college!"....NO.
mainly becaue kids will read into that the wrong way....like they do everything else.

you have to be mature enough to understand what people mean when they say college is not necessary...... and a lot of people arent.


you dont necessarily have to go through 4+ years of school...get a degree...etc... to get a decent pay.

but if you dont choose to go that route,,,,u better have a damn good plan.

rather it be training for a popular trade.....starting your own bizness.....or whateva.

it all depends on what you want to do with your life.
will your future goals require a college education?
..maybe ..maybe not


here's one.
consider being a mortician.
considering future events....they will be needed more than nurses.
lol
 
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There is nothing out there that is for everyone, so naturally this would apply to college as well. People think there is one plan that will guarantee success when their isnt. You just have to make the right choices and find what works for you.

If you want to be a doctor, engineer, lawyer, dentist, etc.... then yes you have to go to college. But if a professional job does not interest you then you should look elsewhere.
 
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Great post pimpin! And some excellent points made on both sides of this issue. I have to say that I'm the only person in my family that doesn't have a college degree. But at the same time I'm the highest earner, I work the least and I'm the only one thats a member of a High I.Q. Society. Its all relative. :D

It's not all relative because people in your position isn't the norm. My father dropped out of school in 3rd grade in Guyana and now makes $100k, but obviously that won't work for everyone. That's not even a plan, that's more of luck. And if he ever gets fired, there's not another job out there in the same position that is gonna pay him what he makes now. He started out making $7/hr 12 years ago. If he had to start from scratch elsewhere I'm sure he wouldn't make more than $20 an hour in his current managerial role.

That is my only knock for those that don't pursue a degree. Just because you're alright now, doesn't mean that shit is gonna carry you until retirement. At the very least, a college degree makes you slightly more appealing that someone who has no education at all. Experience is always a plus, but not having a degree will always put you at a disadvantage.
 
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Lol

Well
That Doesnt Apply To Every Poor Person.
Espcially The Millions Of Black Males Who Have Drug Cases.

Ive Seen A Large Number Of Brothas That Got Denied Financial Aid Because Of Drug Cases That They Had In The Past.

They Ask U On The Application If U Ever Had A Drug Conviction.
answer yes..and you more than likely wil get get denied.
they consider you a danger to the civilized students on campus.
but what they dont know is the guys selling the most drugs on campus are the white boys living off their rich moms and dads.

Fucked Up System Huh

Even Community Colleges Charge Tuition.
So No...its Not Free For All.

Some Are Lazy...but Some Try And Stil Get Denied.....and Most Of Those That Get Denied Go Into Debt.



but anyways.
is a college degree needed for financial success?
No.
but i will admit some fields do require a college education.

like someone said before.....the college experience is something that can be used to help you grow into an "employer" in the future...instead of an employee.



you just really have to take your time and figure out what you want to do.
some dont figure it out until their 30+ years old.
if that the case..shall be it.


its better than sitting in college....changing majors every 2 years.
wasting money and basically not doing shit with you time.

i would like to know if most of the self employed on BGOL have a college degrees.

I don't mean to sound cold, but I have the least bit of sympathy for those that opted to carry guns and sell drugs in black communities, regardless of how young and immature they may have been. You know that shit is wrong by age 4, it's up to you to be a dickrider and follow the dudes you thought were cool doin that shit.

With that said, college is free for non-felons. I don't think that's some crazy requirement. Don't shoot people and sell drugs and you can go to school for free. I will, however, acknowledge that lack of info is a problem that plagues a lot of young people. Many of us don't have college education parents and thus the transition is harder. But I think if young people put a little more time into planning their education and seeking info and guidance from successful people, they will make wiser decisions when it comes to taking out loans and choosing an area of study.

Articles as those in the OP lie to people and try to convince them that an undergrad education will equate to big money when they graduate. That only sets people up for major disappointment upon graduation, people of all races. I know here in NY they have schools that cost $2000 for 18 credits. If you take 18 credits in fall and spring, coupled with summer and winter courses, someone entering college at age 18 can be done by age 20 having only spent $12,000. Regardless of whether you fund your own education or take loans, that is a very small investment with a very valuable return. If you have a kid, or your parents don't make much, and assuming you weren't selling drugs and shooting guns in high school, they will not only pay your tuition, but give you a grant upwards to $3000 each semester.

And the sad part about that, is most people who qualify for the $12,000 in free money every year are the same people working dead end jobs so they can buy clothes and stunt in clubs every weekend. It's really sad to see.

Fuck Colin Powell.

My father who I mentioned in a previous post, promotes that get a job outta high school shit. He thinks people can just walk up to construction sites and volunteer for 3 days then become a member of a union and make $60 an hour. He's stuck in the 70's and 80's. America is probably double the population it was back then, and competition is more fierce. An education, despite what you, or anyone else feel is worth, is now the equivalent to a HS diploma. So if you don't even have that, your not even a candidate for most jobs. Sure you can go drive trucks cross-country after taking a test, or do some other shit that nobody wants to do, but essentially you're making yourself a slave to money. Rather than doing something you love and are passionate about, you're doing something you have (and physically breaks down your body) just so you can buy shit. Physical labor pays well, but the downside is the effect on your body after 10 or 20 years. We have to stop living in the moment and think about living a long and healthy (and comfortable) life.

Fuck Colin Powell.
 
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Get the fuck out of here with that shit. More black people need to go to college... point blank! we don't need more of this "college don't teach you shit" nonsense. We can only progress as a race with knowledge. And having a college education is a starting point. We can't all be Kanye

Did you even read the article? That's why I said "don't click if you're illiterate".
 
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I went to the School of Hardknocks.
107, 108, 109 and Guy R Brewer
Stick-N-Move
 
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You kidding right

Most medical school dudes pay off that debt in two years or less.
Radiologists make 300,000-1 million a year man what 100,000 dollars. LOL

Over a lifetime worth of earnings 100k to 200k aint shit in student loans

What if Obama didnt go law school. Or dr.king didnt get his Ph.d.

Sure u can make 80k doing manual labor or a trade but what about when you are older. what about when u 40 and 50. u still going to be a plumber with a hurt back complain and shit. use your brain man work smarter not harder.

u cant do manual labor or a trade forever.

GO to college man. sure you could start a business

College aint for everyone But it a great option

And them Med school and Law cats are laughing all the way to the bank.

We should be talking about how to get in med school that guarantee cake

I work in healthcare and is sicking the amount of brothers that clean floors and serve food rather the all white doctors who are making mad bread, while we brothers are discussing how we dont need college

who is more likely to start a business a doctor with mad money. or a dude cleaning the floor with no ends.LOL

Go to College man no excuses
 
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I think a lot of you cats just read the title of the article and decided to go from there. The author isn't saying NOT to go to college or get educated. He is simply stating that the system of education needs to be overhauled. Because of flaws in the existing system, a degree is not a strong enough indicator of someone's ability to do a particular job
 
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You kidding right

Most medical school dudes pay off that debt in two years or less.
Radiologists make 300,000-1 million a year man what 100,000 dollars. LOL

Over a lifetime worth of earnings 100k to 200k aint shit in student loans

What if Obama didnt go law school. Or dr.king didnt get his Ph.d.

Sure u can make 80k doing manual labor or a trade but what about when you are older. what about when u 40 and 50. u still going to be a plumber with a hurt back complain and shit. use your brain man work smarter not harder.

u cant do manual labor or a trade forever.

GO to college man. sure you could start a business

College aint for everyone But it a great option

And them Med school and Law cats are laughing all the way to the bank.

We should be talking about how to get in med school that guarantee cake

I work in healthcare and is sicking the amount of brothers that clean floors and serve food rather the all white doctors who are making mad bread, while we brothers are discussing how we dont need college

who is more likely to start a business a doctor with mad money. or a dude cleaning the floor with no ends.LOL

Go to College man no excuses

they are brothas that own businesses w/o degrees...next they are ppl with trade jobs making 80k+....

do whats right 4 you....not an image...when we say its not everything and they are other options...serving food is not what we mean...we talking about FOREMANS...and mechanics....

its not always serving food and cleaning floors...I will never tell a young brotha to get into that....COLLEGE is the #1 option...yes..but they are 100 other options you can have that are just as good.....

I'm talking from experience....
 
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I think a lot of you cats just read the title of the article and decided to go from there. The author isn't saying NOT to go to college or get educated. He is simply stating that the system of education needs to be overhauled. Because of flaws in the existing system, a degree is not a strong enough indicator of someone's ability to do a particular job

Well I did read, and people who subscribe to this thinking makes the same flaw that others do. College was never meant to be a trade school, it is a place of higher learning. We have a country and unfortunately our "race" puts waaaay to much value into monetary gains. Knowledge itself is a commodity but article such as these fail to realize that. How many in Obama's position would have turned down that $160K right out of school to be a community organizer or teach? But Obama saw a value worth more than pure dollars.

There is worth in leading your people, discovering new planets, curing diseases etc. These people in history will never go down as wealthy, but purely wealthy people will never go down in history.

There is something to be said about legacy, and that comes from being the first, and usually this is cultivated in the halls of higher learning.
 
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