So whats the plan?US involvement in Haiti and it's government isn't a conspiracy. And to think things that happened decades ago as you say has no effect on the state of a country is idiotic.
So whats the plan?US involvement in Haiti and it's government isn't a conspiracy. And to think things that happened decades ago as you say has no effect on the state of a country is idiotic.
Well the fucking UN got busted poisoning water out there thisHell of a mystery especially to a non Haitian....we know Haiti is controlled by the elites and foreign interests (as is every country in the Caribbean with the possible exception of Cuba)...we also know that Moise was appointed by a puppet President and for all intents and purposes seemed to be a puppet himself...he seemed to have US support but there are rumblings that there was beef with some elites...we know this wasn't done by revolutionary forces as they wouldn't have simply killed him, they would try to take over the country as well and let it be known that they did it to try and create a movement
So he was killed by people that want the system to remain as is but had a problem with how Moise was running that system...and now dude is inviting the US in (not the UN strangely) ...are there rumblings from the more progressive forces in Haiti that they want to fill in the power vacuum?....living conditions getting increasingly worse there so people could be looking to the progressives...is the call for US involvement a ploy to shut that down before it begins?
I wish I knew more about Aristide...he seemed progressive...he was certainly taken out of power like he was progressive...kidnapped by the USA late at night and dumped in the middle of Central Africa...but then I hear people say they were disappointed in him....what did Aristide do and what became of his political movement?
Aristide was a preacher who was elected by the people. But a preacher isn't a politician. I think that was his biggest downfall, he was in way over his head. Whenever he tried to do something, anything for the people, the U. S. apposed him and blocked trade during most of his terms. 2 devastating things he let happen during his term that hunts the country today (got rid of the military = makes no sense) (agreed on a deal during Clintons administration for the U.S. export rice to Haiti which killed Haiti's rice economy). When he started talking about France needing to pay Haiti back for what Haiti had to pay for the revolution, That's when the U. S. kidnaped him and got rid of him.Hell of a mystery especially to a non Haitian....we know Haiti is controlled by the elites and foreign interests (as is every country in the Caribbean with the possible exception of Cuba)...we also know that Moise was appointed by a puppet President and for all intents and purposes seemed to be a puppet himself...he seemed to have US support but there are rumblings that there was beef with some elites...we know this wasn't done by revolutionary forces as they wouldn't have simply killed him, they would try to take over the country as well and let it be known that they did it to try and create a movement
So he was killed by people that want the system to remain as is but had a problem with how Moise was running that system...and now dude is inviting the US in (not the UN strangely) ...are there rumblings from the more progressive forces in Haiti that they want to fill in the power vacuum?....living conditions getting increasingly worse there so people could be looking to the progressives...is the call for US involvement a ploy to shut that down before it begins?
I wish I knew more about Aristide...he seemed progressive...he was certainly taken out of power like he was progressive...kidnapped by the USA late at night and dumped in the middle of Central Africa...but then I hear people say they were disappointed in him....what did Aristide do and what became of his political movement?
Yeah, no doubt...UN were no angels in Haiti by any means (brought cholera) but usually you would call for the UN if you think peacekeeping help is needed rather than the US directlyWell the fucking UN got busted poisoning water out there this
During a disaster too.
Appreciate the insight...I think his final sin was trying to raise Haiti's minimum wage...same thing happened to dude in HondurasAristide was a preacher who was elected by the people. But a preacher isn't a politician. I think that was his biggest downfall, he was in way over his head. Whenever he tried to do something, anything for the people, the U. S. apposed him and blocked trade during most of his terms. 2 devastating things he let happen during his term that hunts the country today (got rid of the military = makes no sense) (agreed on a deal during Clintons administration for the U.S. export rice to Haiti which killed Haiti's rice economy). When he started talking about France needing to pay Haiti back for what Haiti had to pay for the revolution, That's when the U. S. kidnaped him and got rid of him.
Forgot about that...Appreciate the insight...I think his final sin was trying to raise Haiti's minimum wage...same thing happened to dude in Honduras
Yeah, no doubt...UN were no angels in Haiti by any means (brought cholera) but usually you would call for the UN if you think peacekeeping help is needed rather than the US directly
quick edit...Just checked...they did ask for help from the UN...UN looking it over...US said no to troops
We need to keep a real close eye on Hati.
It's no coincidence the USA pulled out of Afghanistan then days later Hatian president is dead and now Hati is requesting USA come in to establish order.
Clearly some fuck shit going on.
- Haiti's ambassador to the United States, Bocchit Edmond, told Reuters in an interview the gunmen were masquerading as U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agents as they entered Moise's guarded residence under cover of nightfall - a move that would likely have helped them gain entry.
- Hundreds of protesters marched from downtown Port-au-Prince, Haiti's capital, to the U.S. Embassy on Friday to demand the Trump administration stop supporting President Jovenel Moise, who is named in the latest corruption report issued by Haiti's Superior Court of Account and Administrative Disputes.
"America is a country of institutions, America is a country of laws, so Americans should understand that Haiti is facing a crisis — they should stop giving us handouts and teach us instead, accompany us and help us organize so we can lift ourselves out of this situation," one protester told VOA's Creole Service.
"We heard that American envoy David Hale arrived in the country today to negotiate with us to keep Jovenel Moise in power," a female protester told VOA. "But we, the people, are ready to march today to let the Americans know we are not interested in negotiating with them. We are asking for Jovenel Moise's resignation, arrest and judgment for his crimes against the people."
"We consider Jovenel (Moise) to have fallen already, but the Americans are propping him up. They are our friends, so we will talk to them and say it's time to let Jovenel go," he told VOA on Thursday. "As long as Jovenel is in power, we'll keep protesting."
- Human rights activists and a new report from Harvard Law School’s International Human Rights Clinic allege that Moise’s government has allied itself with violent criminal gangs to maintain its grip on power and to suppress dissent. Opposition groups have called for Moise to resign and hand power to a transitional government that would delay presidential and legislative elections slated for September until the nation is stable enough to ensure a free and fair contest.
- Moise's administration says it is working hard to end the terror. Two years ago it revived a commission aimed at disarming gang members and reintegrating them into society. Over the past year, the government has increased the police budget and solicited advice from Colombia, which once battled its own kidnapping epidemic. In March, Haiti created an anti-kidnapping task force to attack the problem with tactics such as tracing laundered ransom money.
- Kidnapping is an outgrowth of impunity for criminal organizations, according to Rosy Auguste Ducena, program manager of the Port-au-Prince-based National Network for the Defense of Human Rights.
"We are talking about a regime that has allied itself with armed gangs," Ducena said.
Justice Minister Rockefeller Vincent denied any government alliance with gangs. He told Reuters in December that the wave of kidnappings was the work of political enemies seeking to undermine Moise "by creating a sense of chaos."
The rise in kidnappings has petrified many Haitians. The heads of seven private business associations this month issued a joint statement saying they had reached "a saturation point" with soaring crime. They endorsed a nationwide work stoppage that occurred on April 15 to protest Haiti’s security crisis.
- Jimmy Cherizier, alias Barbecue, a former police officer, heads the so-called G9 federation of nine gangs formed last year.
Surrounded by gang members wielding machetes and guns, he gave a statement to local media outlets in the slum of La Saline on Wednesday, saying the G9 had become a revolutionary force to deliver Haiti from the opposition, the government and the Haitian bourgeoisie. Human rights activists say Cherizier is actually not targeting the government but the opposition.
They're already pulling up old videos of Sanon talking against the international governments that allowed the corrupt fuckery of the Haitian leaders that they have supported and still support, but never questioned their corrupt acts. It's a fair question, but I don't see how this guy managed to pull this off.
It was for that clown who keeps asking what the US did lolThanks for this
That idiot lolIt was for that clown who keeps asking what the US did lol
Colombian accused in assassination plot told sister he was there to protect, not to kill.
Duberney Capador, one of the Colombians killed in Haiti after the assassination of President Jovenel Moïse.Credit...Yenni Carolina Capador
By Julie Turkewitz
- July 10, 2021, 2:40 p.m. ET
The sister of the one of the Colombians accused in the plot to assassinate President Jovenel Moïse of Haiti said he told her that he had not gone to Haiti to kill anyone — but rather had traveled to the Caribbean nation after receiving a job offer to protect a “very important person.”
His message came shortly before he died himself in the bloody aftermath of the assassination, one of three people killed in confrontations with the authorities.
In an interview, Yenny Carolina Capador, 37, said that her brother, Duberney Capador, 40, was a 20-year veteran of the Colombian military who spent years fighting Colombia’s left-wing guerrillas. He had retired in 2019 and was living on a family farm with his mother. He had two children.
“What I am 100 percent sure of is that my brother was not doing what they are saying, that he was hurting someone,” Ms. Capador said. “I know that my brother went to take care of someone. Because my brother was a very loyal man, a man with many values. I know it.”
Mr. Capador arrived in Haiti in May, his sister said, after receiving a job offer from a security company. Ms. Capador did not know the name of the company, but her brother soon sent her a picture from Haiti in which he wore a dark uniform embroidered with the letters “CTU.” His dream was to save money to improve the family farm, and to fund his children’s education, she said.
The siblings spoke often, and Mr. Capador said that he was spending his days training with others at a country house. On Monday, he sent her pictures of a group barbecue.
Then, early Wednesday, a deadly attack on the Haitian president was launched.
A few hours later, around 6 a.m., Ms. Capador began receiving calls and texts from her brother, she said. He told her that he was in danger, holed up in a home with bullets flying around him. At times, Ms. Capador could hear the gunfire in the background.
Ms. Capador said her brother told her nothing about an assassination, and instead told her that he had arrived “too late” to save the “important person” he claimed he was hired to protect.
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A screenshot of a text exchange between Yenny Carolina Capador and her brother, Duberney Capador. In it, Ms. Capador asks her brother in Spanish how he is and tells him that everything will be ok.Credit...Yenni Carolina Capador
According to Mr. Capador, she said, “they arrived half an hour after the man had died.”
The siblings exchanged messages all day long, and he begged her not to tell their mother that he was in danger.
“God bless you,” Ms. Capador wrote in a text message on Wednesday evening.
“Amen,” he wrote back at 5:51 p.m.
She never heard from him again.
Bought the $3.4 million villa outright which simply shows how much they been stealing to where they forget that they suppose to hide that kind of shitWho Paid for That Mansion? A Senator or the Haitian People?
Valued at $3.4 million, a Haitian senator’s Montreal villa has become a potent emblem of the growing gap between Haiti’s impoverished citizens and its wealthy political elite.
Marie Louisa Célestin, the wife of the Haitian senator Rony Célestin, purchased this waterfront villa outright for $3.4 million. Their lavish lifestyle has prompted widespread accusations of corruption within the local Haitian community.
Marie Louisa Célestin, the wife of the Haitian senator Rony Célestin, purchased this waterfront villa outright for $3.4 million. Their lavish lifestyle has prompted widespread accusations of corruption within the local Haitian community. Credit...Nasuna Stuart-Ulin for The New York Times
Dan BilefskyCatherine Porter
By Dan Bilefsky and Catherine Porter
Published July 10, 2021
Updated July 11, 2021, 7:40 a.m. ET
MONTREAL — He is one of the few lawmakers left in Haiti, a close ally of the assassinated president who has kept his seat while the country’s democratic institutions have been whittled away.
As one of only 10 remaining members in all of Haiti’s Parliament, Rony Célestin, a swaggering figure who styles himself as a self-made multimillionaire, belongs to a tiny circle of leaders with the legal authority to steer the nation out of crisis now that the president is dead.
But to many Haitians, Mr. Célestin is also a symbol of one of their biggest grievances: a ruling class that enriches itself while so many go hungry.
In recent months, as the country erupted in protest over abuse of power by the political elite, Mr. Célestin has been parrying accusations of corruption from Haitian activists over his purchase of a mansion almost 2,000 miles away in Canada.
The sprawling $3.4 million villa, with its sweeping driveway, home cinema, wine cellar and swimming pool overlooking a lake, was among the most expensive homes ever sold in one of Quebec’s most affluent neighborhoods, and the purchase set off a corruption investigation into Mr. Célestin by officials in Haiti.
The villa has become emblematic of the chasm between the gilded lifestyles of Haiti’s elite and the majority of the population, who on average earn less than $2.41 a day. Mr. Célestin’s ownership has incited outrage over capital flight — legal and illicit — that drains money from Haiti and weakens the country’s institutions.
Mr. Célestin vehemently denies any wrongdoing, describing himself as a savvy entrepreneur whose success and donations to the election campaign of the assassinated president, Jovenel Moïse, have afforded him a variety of privileges, including the ability to pay for the villa and get his wife a job at the Haitian consulate in Montreal.
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Rony Célestin from a Facebook post in 2017.
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“I have enough influence, if I wanted to make her an ambassador, that would happen,” he told The New York Times.
But The Times found little or no indication in Haiti of the thriving businesses that Mr. Célestin cites as the source of his great wealth. Some appear to operate on a much smaller scale than he claimed, if at all in some cases.
His lawyer declined to provide details about his businesses with the anticorruption inquiry in Haiti underway. Anger over the mansion became so pitched that some members of Montreal’s Haitian community hid in the bushes around the home in Laval, an affluent suburb, and sneaked onto the grounds, hoping to confront Mr. Célestin and his family.
“Haiti is a poor country where people are dying of hunger, and here you have rich people trying to take their money out of the country and buying mansions in cash,” said Frantz André, a leading Haitian human rights advocate in Montreal, who has led protests outside the Haitian consulate in recent months.
Because Haiti, a country of 11 million people, has so few functioning institutions, Mr. Célestin could help play a pivotal role in the nation’s future. Only 10 senators out of 30 remain in Parliament, and Mr. Célestin is one. The terms of the other 20 expired, and new elections were never called. The lower house of Parliament is entirely vacant, and the head of the nation’s highest court died of Covid-19 in June.
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Early morning in downtown Port-Au-Prince, Haiti’s capital, in January 2020.Credit...Damon Winter/The New York Times
That leaves senators like Mr. Célestin among the few remaining elected officials in Haiti, with a powerful say in determining how the country should be led after the brazen assassination of Mr. Moïse on Wednesday.
But critics call the Senate dysfunctional. And as the country has spiraled into turmoil in recent months, members of the political elite have prospered abroad in places like the Dominican Republic, the United States and Canada, investing their money — and in some cases laundering it, the authorities say — through real estate.
Despite billions of dollars in reconstruction aid after a devastating earthquake in 2010, the country has not rebuilt, and many contend it is worse off. Armed gangs control many areas, poverty and hunger are rising and officials like Mr. Célestin have been accused of enriching themselves while failing to provide the country with even the most basic services. Transparency International, the anticorruption monitor, ranked Haiti 170th out of 180 countries for perceived levels of corruption in 2020 — tied with North Korea.
In a rare interview in late March, Mr. Célestin, 46, said he amassed his wealth in farming, importing and other legitimate businesses that earned him millions of dollars a month. He gave his wife, Marie Louisa Célestin, the money to buy the mansion in late 2020, he said, so that she and their children could enjoy the “social advantages” of living in Canada.
“I don’t have to justify myself, I’m sick of having to do it,” Mr. Célestin said.
A son of farmers who grew up in a rural area, Mr. Célestin said he began his business career by importing products in a rented truck, sometimes sleeping on the sacks of sugar and flour he was shuttling. He is now a member of the assassinated president’s Bald Head Haitian party.
“I came from nowhere, and I became who I am with no support,” he said. Referring to his critics, he added: “I don’t have to be scared of a bunch of vagabonds, bastards and criminals.”
But the traces of Mr. Célestin’s business empire on the ground in Haiti differed greatly from the image he painted.
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Photographs from the real estate listing of the Célestins’ $3.4 million villa, boasting manicured gardens, an in-ground pool and a wine cellar. Credit...Nasuna Stuart-Ulin for The New York Times
He said he owned a giant henhouse in the Haitian city of Léogâne with 800,000 hens valued at about $60 million, but did not provide any supporting documentation. A reporter hired by The Times who visited the city could not find such a vast henhouse or anyone who had heard of it. Patrice Dumont, a senator from Léogâne, told The Times that Mr. Célestin’s project had been planned but never begun.
Mr. Célestin said he also had a radio station called Model FM, which he started in a rural region but which grew to the point that he installed it in a suburb of Port-au-Prince, the capital. The station does have a small, discreet office in the suburb of Petionville, with no signs. On the two occasions when The Times visited, the office was closed, or a single person was there who could provide no information about the station — not even an advertising rate sheet.
Mr. Célestin said he also owned a gas company called PetroGaz-Haiti, but by his own description, it appeared to violate legal prohibitions against profiting from state funds. While politicians are permitted to own businesses, the Constitution forbids them from having contracts with the state, which Mr. Célestin said he had had for four years through the company.
With outrage brewing, the Haitian government’s Anti-Corruption Unit launched an investigation into the purchase of the Célestin home in Canada in February. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the national police force, said it could not disclose whether it was also investigating the transaction. But under Canadian regulations, the purchase should have raised a red flag, said Garry Clement, the former head of an R.C.M.P. unit that investigates money laundering.
As a senator, Mr. Célestin is considered a “politically exposed person” under Canadian money-laundering regulations, which means financial institutions are required to perform due diligence to determine the source of any transferred funds greater than $100,000. These rules would also apply to Mrs. Célestin as the wife of a “P.E.P.,” Mr. Clement explained.
Mr. Célestin said everything about the purchase was above board. “If I wasn’t clean, I would have had a lot of trouble with the banks in Miami,” he added, saying that he routinely transferred between $20 million and $30 million to Turkey to buy iron for what he described as one of his import businesses. “I would be scared if my money wasn’t clean.”
But Mr. Célestin and his lawyer in Montreal, Alexandre Bergevin, declined to answer follow-up questions or provide the names of his import company or his farm. His wife, a counselor at the Haitian consulate in Montreal since 2019, did not respond to a request for comment.
“I am no longer at this level, the one where my wife or I am looking for work to live,” Mr. Célestin said, emphasizing his wealth by adding that his chef in Haiti earned $4,000 a month.
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Demonstrators held signs reading ”Down with the bourgeois dictatorship” during a protest against the government of President Jovenel Moïse in March in Port-au-Prince.Credit...Reuters
Despite the investigation into Mr. Célestin in Haiti, many activists there and in Canada were skeptical that it was being conducted in earnest. One said he had asked about the case just last week and was told by officials that they were not following through.
A 2020 report by the State Department on human rights in Haiti said that despite many reports of government corruption, wrongdoers operate with impunity. The country’s Senate has never prosecuted a high-level official accused of corruption as required by the Constitution, the report said.
In 2019, Willot Joseph, a senator with the assassinated president’s party, admitted on the radio that he had accepted a $100,000 bribe from a candidate for prime minister in exchange for a “yes” vote on his nomination.
Three damning reports by the country’s Superior Court of Auditors and Administrative Disputes revealed in lengthy detail that much of the $2 billion lent to Haiti as part of a Venezuela-sponsored oil program, PetroCaribe, had been embezzled or wasted over eight years by a succession of Haitian governments.
Since 2008, all elected officials in Haiti have been legally required to disclose their financial assets upon taking and leaving office. But a 2019 report by the Clear Eyes Foundation, a Haitian human rights group, revealed that few had done so over the previous 10 years, and that there had been no penalties or repercussions.
Over the years, Mr. Célestin has faced multiple accusations of fraud and corruption, both in his election campaigns and in his role as a public servant.
In 2010, when he was elected to Parliament’s lower chamber, the elections were marred by allegations of corruption and fraud. Seven years later, when he won a Senate seat, his opponent said the vote had been rigged.
In 2016, Mr. Célestin was living in a mansion when it was seized by the police during a drug trafficking investigation. Mr. Célestin denied the house had links to a drug dealer and said the accusations had been concocted by political enemies.
Even before the president’s assassination this week, senior Canadian officials had expressed alarm over the deteriorating situation in Haiti and the country’s poor governance.
“We are concerned about corruption, and rising insecurity involving kidnappings,” said John Babcock, a spokesman for Canada’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in an April email. “We are very aware the population is suffering.”
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Frantz André, 66, and his son Nicolas André, 23, both rights activists, have attended protests outside Haiti’s Montreal consulate.Credit...Nasuna Stuart-Ulin for The New York Times
Senior Canadian officials also said Canada had been strengthening legislation to combat money laundering and adding resources to fight it. A 2019 report by the State Department designated Canada a “major money laundering country,” citing weak law enforcement and gaps in its laws, putting it on a list of countries that included Afghanistan, China and Colombia.
Money laundering experts said too few banks, notaries and real estate agents were reporting suspicious activities in Canada, and that money laundering cases seldom resulted in convictions.
“People think Canada is the Boy Scout of countries, but when it comes to real estate, that is not always the case,” said Andy Yan, an adjunct professor of urban planning at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver.
Haiti’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has asked Mrs. Célestin to make herself available for questioning by the government’s Anti-Corruption Unit, said the consul general in Montreal, Fritz Dorvilier. But Haitian activists say they have little faith in the inquiry.
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A park in Montreal North, an area of the city that is home to a large and vibrant Haitian community. Credit...Nasuna Stuart-Ulin for The New York Times
Pierre Espérance, executive director of the Haitian National Human Rights Defense Network, has called for Mr. Célestin to reveal records documenting his assets and expenses, such as custom slips from his imports of merchandise and his tax returns.
“He must pay a lot of taxes to the state if he is earning millions of dollars a month,” Mr. Espérance said from his office in Port-au-Prince. “He must show us the proof.”
Mr. André, the Montreal-based Haitian human rights advocate, posted photographs of the home’s lavish interior on his Facebook page, urging fellow Haitians to pay the family a visit. “If you are of Haitian origin, this is your home too,” he wrote.
“I suggest you ask for the lake view,” he wrote. “Have a good stay.”
Accused assassin did not tell his sister of his plans to murder the Haitian president
^ I can't stand people like that. Playing games with serious a serious issue. What a lot of people don't know is, after HAITI won the revolution, they were making their way to the Louisiana territory (some soldiers had already gotten there) to attack France there as well. France knew their best bet was to sell It instead of risking loosing it, so they did and rest is history. After that, Haiti funded or gave weapons to all remaining countries in this Hemisphere to defeat Spain (in their revolutionary wars) as long as they promised to FREE THEIR SLAVES. Several South American countries' flags were created in HAITI ( take that in for second). The history is deep and people need to know it.