How long should the typical work week be?

[Rembrandt Brown]

man needs to work
A man who has no work has no purpose
UBI will not help that

1) Do you have a family? I don't see how you could be a good father, son, brother, etc and really believe "A man who has no work has no purpose."

2) Finding purpose through work is an elitist concept. If you're privileged enough to do work you enjoy, that can work (sometimes). But if you're an Uber driver just trying to make ends meet with customers jumping in your car with airpods in their ears who will never tip 90% of the time, you better be able to find purpose outside of your work. If you're a janitor who cleans floors and toilets, you better be able to find purpose outside of being proud of how shiny you leave those toilets.

"A man who has no work has no purpose" is what the bosses want you to believe. Massa wants your purpose to be maximizing his profits. Fuck them. You are not on this earth to enrich the already rich.

 

[CPT Callamity]

I'd take 4-5 hours max per day No more than 30 hours a week though. So much could get down considering many stores/places of business are open until around 5pm. There wouldn't be a need to take off as much in order to handle your business. Hell, If I were allowed to telecommute full time you'd have no yap from me.

 

[hardawayz16]

man needs to work
A man who has no work has no purpose
UBI will not help that

YES.

There is pride in getting paid for a day's work.

 

[christop]

4 days 40 hours

 

[hardawayz16]

Finding purpose through work is an elitist concept. If you're privileged enough to do work you enjoy, that can work (sometimes). But if you're an Uber driver just trying to make ends meet with customers jumping in your car with airpods in their ears who will never tip 90% of the time, you better be able to find purpose outside of your work. If you're a janitor who cleans floors and toilets, you better be able to find purpose outside of being proud of how shiny you leave those toilets.

"A man who has no work has no purpose" is what the bosses want you to believe. Massa wants your purpose to be maximizing his profits. Fuck them. You are not on this earth to enrich the already rich.

LOL how about all your Cuban comrades working low paying shit jobs? Having to steal from work and work illegal side hustles?

"Massa wants your purpose to be maximizing his profits"...as to NOT maximizing profits?

The standard of living you currently enjoy in the US is due to companies maximizing profits.

I guess you think its smarter for everyone to work as little as possible so massa's business can fail and we'll be unemployed. Then you can swoop in and tell us communism is the answer.

 

[THE DRIZZY]

I wonder if the creation of new jobs can possibly keep up with technology's elimination of jobs.

If not, another reason we need universal basic income:

If the will was there the new jobs will be the green industry, new infrastructure/infrastructure repair, and modernizing the grid nation wide. Also get into the water purification as well that could be another industry. The problem is the old unsustainable way of doing things and the thinking behind it.

 

[julian]

32 hours/4 days a week 8 hour work day Mon-Thurs,3 day weekend. 10am-6pm standard work day time. $20/hr min wage also

 

[Temujin]

The fundamental problem is not the length of the work week its the fact that 90% of people hate going to work. So yeah long work week is stressful annoying and will eventually kill you. I voted 55+ because if you love what you do you will do that all day and have a ball. Nobody that is great minimizes their work they maximize it. You can't be elite in America unless you are willing to work 80+ hours a week to get where you want to be. Once you are there you can kick your feet up if you want and tune it back to 60 but ain't no days off for a business owner. The lucky part for most of you lazy dummies is that machines will be replacing you quickly so you will have no choice but to not work. Can't say life is going to hella enjoyable when that happens but hay you get your under 20 hour work week problem solved. lol

 

[M.H.C.]

Sub

 

[Temujin]

Caveat is the ONLY way you can work 80+ hours a week is if you absolutely love and are passionate about what you do. If you don't it is literally impossible.

 

[PJN]

I'm supposed to work 37.5 hrs but sometimes work 50. After budget season, I work the required 37.5 or slightly less. I have a ton of vacation and I make sure I use it. If I take a vacation day, I'm not working at home, period. I may check my phone for very urgent issues but I'm definitely not getting on the laptop. I got a family, I need to spend tine with them while they're young.

 

[sharkbait28]

Man, going by some of these replies I'm real glad BGOL wasn't around during the fight for labor laws, weekends, age limits, 8hr work day (OT etc). I can almost hear the tired arguments sone of you would've been making if y'all status quo warriors were around back then lol.

There's nothing inherently sacred about our current approach to work. It deserves reconsideration and thought. Especially in light of wages that have been stagnant for many decades in contrast to the stunning gains made in productivity and profits over the same period. Keynes, one of the foremost economists of the 20th century (and all time really) predicted that we'd be working 15 hour weeks by now given the awesome strides in industrialization and automation seen by his era. The massive gains in productivity/profits arrived but corps have convinced common folks they shouldn't share in the bounty. It's kind of impressive tbh.

 

[tallblacknyc]

A shorter work week will only be possible if the USA had Universal Basic Income to offset the reduction in pay.

Instead of shorting the work week, they could give Americans more vacation time. Instead of the normal 2 weeks, give Americans 4 weeks of vacation like they do in Europe.

Also, we need to have everybody taking holidays off. There is no reason mofos should be working on holidays like Thanksgiving and Christmas unless they are First Responders or hospital personnel.

Every 1 ain't a Christian every 1 doesn't celebrate pagan holidays... Believe it or not there are still many people running around on those holidays... Many mom and pop stores might be open due to the fact every1 don't know how to cook and people coming to there establishment to dine at, gas stations need to stay open obviously cause people will be traveling, first responders got to eat so they prob run to various lil grocery stores to snack on something, same with hospital personnel... Like I said not against shorter hours but logically it couldn't happen for various industries... Hell quiet as kept bars/ lounges be making money on those days... Pre-thanksgiving events is a quite money maker and even sometimes events on thanksgiving

 

[BKF]

We should not have to work more than 5hrs a day.
I say 4 days a week, but 25hr week is the most this fucked up AmeriKKKan system would bend, if they bend at all.
Some of you saying 40, or 10hr work days are bugging!
Look at some of these European countries before jumping to the AmeriKKKan way of thinking.​

Imagine that. Stores, eesturants, warehouses, etc...closed.
Yeah..I can see that worki

I have always said that if I could travel back in time I would like to meet the people who said, "we're going to work 5 days a week and only rest on 2" just so I can slap the shit out of them (or slap some balance into them).

Well ther was a ti,e when people had no days off. The days off came by way of unions. Why would you want to slap them for fighting to give workers some rest and high pay?

 

[gene cisco]

man needs to work
A man who has no work has no purpose
UBI will not help that

UBI doesn't stop people from working. It stops people from being in the poor house. What happens to all the 'ordinary' people when AI/automation is everywhere? Not everyone can be a doctor, dentist, CEO, upper-management, or a scientist. UBI deals with the underemployment and even lower pay that is coming in the future.

 

[tallblacknyc]

man needs to work
A man who has no work has no purpose
UBI will not help that

humans are the only animals that have to pay to exist in this world... Humans are the only animals that are pushed to work instead of juss living life... Humans are the only 1s going against nature intentions of living life... If you take "work" away from people they could actually start living life... 168 hrs in a week ... People could start utilizing each and every second of it... Doing things like enjoying family, learning more, relaxing and not stressing... Ferris bueller is 1 of my all time favorite movies cause he was pretty much showing you how to enjoy life instead of doing regular expected routine(being stuck in the matrix)...work was to distract you from living out your full potential as humans... Juss look at th e zoo and the wild... Animals weren't created to entertain humans while being locked in cages they were created to live in the wild and live their lives... Humans weren't created for "work" they were created to live their lives...work is the invisible cage

 

[DAHITMAN]

I only work 3 days a week and 9 months out of the year.

what type of work do you do sir?

 

[tallblacknyc]

what type of work do you do sir?

He own his own bizz... Amusement park vendor with various art exhibitors

 

[gene cisco]

humans are the only animals that have to pay to exist in this world... Humans are the only animals that are pushed to work instead of juss living life... Humans are the only 1s going against nature intentions of living life... If you take "work" away from people they could actually start living life... 168 hrs in a week ... People could start utilizing each and every second of it... Doing things like enjoying family, learning more, relaxing and not stressing... Ferris bueller is 1 of my all time favorite movies cause he was pretty much showing you how to enjoy life instead of doing regular expected routine(being stuck in the matrix)...work was to distract you from living out your full potential as humans... Juss look at th e zoo and the wild... Animals weren't created to entertain humans while being locked in cages they were created to live in the wild and live their lives... Humans weren't created for "work" they were created to live their lives...work is the invisible cage

You're right about that. The 'man with no work has no purpose' sounds like something kings would say to their subjects. King sitting up enjoying life while the peasants farming from daybreak until night.

It's funny what humans find purpose in when they have time.

 

[hardawayz16]

humans are the only animals that have to pay to exist in this world... Humans are the only animals that are pushed to work instead of juss living life... Humans are the only 1s going against nature intentions of living life... If you take "work" away from people they could actually start living life... 168 hrs in a week ... People could start utilizing each and every second of it... Doing things like enjoying family, learning more, relaxing and not stressing...

Have you ever watched ANY animal documentary? LOL

Mammals have to hunt and gather food, raise and nuture their young, protect themselves and their families from predators , and navigate social hierarchies in groups.

How is that not work? Let any mammal not do any of the above and see how long they last in the wild.

 

[tallblacknyc]

You're right about that. The 'man with no work has no purpose' sounds like something kings would say to their subjects. King sitting up enjoying life while the peasants farming from daybreak until night.

It's funny what humans find purpose in when they have time.

that last line is golden... It's why I knew I wasn't going to be a 9-5 worker... Don't get me wrong I'm an excellent worker especially that I can be focus on the task given, hell the two 9-5 jobs I ever worked I was offered supervisor jobs pay increases in record time cause how great I work but I hated the politics aspect of it and the fact of waking up to do the same thing over and over again where each day literally mirrors the same made me go fuck no I can't do this crap the rest of my life... I actually remember doing that within the first 2 months of my first job I literally was on my way to work and it juss hit me nope I'm not gonna be doing this 9-5 s hit for the rest of my life...it be crazy how certain ideas of concepts be hitting me out the blue...the funny thing was I making close to $20 an hr as a teenager got offered like 23/24 hr to be supervisor , actually liked the job but still was like nope won't be waking up everyday for work( I'm not a morning person in general)

 

[tallblacknyc]

Have you ever watched ANY animal documentary? LOL

Mammals have to hunt and gather food, raise and nuture their young, protect themselves and their families from predators , and navigate social hierarchies in groups.

How is that not work? Let any mammal not do any of the above and see how long they last in the wild.

it's not work it's survival..everything you said benefited them and no one else... They whole premise was for their progression... Your job benefits off of you more than you do from it, you can be replaced at any given moment..your job doesn't love you, your job takes you away from your family time, you die your job ain't taking care of your family despite the fact you put in all those man hours away from home in order to keep the job running...you don't love batteries and your job doesn't love you aka the battery, when you become useless you will be thrown out like batteries do..welcome to the matrix

 

[hardawayz16]

it's not work it's survival..everything you said benefited them and no one else... They whole premise was for their progression... Your job benefits off of you more than you do from it, you can be replaced at any given moment..your job doesn't love you, your job takes you away from your family time, you die your job ain't taking care of your family despite the fact you put in all those man hours away from home in order to keep the job running...you don't love batteries and your job doesn't love you aka the battery, when you become useless you will be thrown out like batteries do..welcome to the matrix

A job is not survival? How do you survive without one?

Do you have any idea how much more stressful life has to be for most animals in the wild compared to us? Unless you're higher in the food chain (kinda like the CEO everyone hates).

 

[tallblacknyc]

A job is not survival? How do you survive without one?

Do you have any idea how much more stressful life has to be for most animals in the wild compared to us? Unless you're higher in the food chain (kinda like the CEO everyone hates).

whose the animals boss? What are their daily task that the boss tells them to do that has nothing to do with benefiting the animal? How much do they get paid? Are they forced to have certain limited food or shelter due to their job title?... Job and survival in the wild are two diff things... There's people for thousands of yrs that survived in the world without capitalism... They knew how to create shelter, hunt, cook, bath and other things without zero use of money... "Jobs" haven't always been around during the existence of mankind

 

[God Dammit]

Imagine that. Stores, eesturants, warehouses, etc...closed.
Yeah..I can see that worki

Hire more employees and keep it open...
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[tallblacknyc]

Hire more employees and keep it open...
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are there unlimited people that are willing to do the job or responsible enough of doing it?

 

[8/11Streetz]

I pay for a place I barely see because I work so much....

 

[gene cisco]

that last line is golden... It's why I knew I wasn't going to be a 9-5 worker... Don't get me wrong I'm an excellent worker especially that I can be focus on the task given, hell the two 9-5 jobs I ever worked I was offered supervisor jobs pay increases in record time cause how great I work but I hated the politics aspect of it and the fact of waking up to do the same thing over and over again where each day literally mirrors the same made me go fuck no I can't do this crap the rest of my life... I actually remember doing that within the first 2 months of my first job I literally was on my way to work and it juss hit me nope I'm not gonna be doing this 9-5 s hit for the rest of my life...it be crazy how certain ideas of concepts be hitting me out the blue...the funny thing was I making close to $20 an hr as a teenager got offered like 23/24 hr to be supervisor , actually liked the job but still was like nope won't be waking up everyday for work( I'm not a morning person in general)

I understand the feeling.

It's funny though. I noticed some people seem to be programmed(deeper than societal programming) to be worker bees. I know some researcher will probably break the code on human behavior and pinpoint what exactly makes some people want to work themselves to death. There are some people who aren't happy unless they are doing backbreaking labor.

I'm not referring to professionals. I'm referring to grunts. It wouldn't surprise me if some people just are hardwired to be drones.

 

[God Dammit]

are there unlimited people that are willing to do the job or responsible enough of doing it?

Ask them:

10 countries where per week working hours are least

In a developing country like India, where people have to work 45-50 hours per week and work around 2500 hours per year, but there are many developed

m.jagranjosh.com

10 countries where per week working hours are least
1. Netherlands
Netherlands is at the first place in the list of countries where per week working hours are least. Low level of unemployment and high income are key features of working community in Netherlands. Netherlands' government supports balanced, professional and personal growth, apart from this, part-time jobs are encouraged by the government and protection is provided to such workers by law. In Netherlands, employees work approximately 1,380 hours per year, i.e. on an average 27.5 hours per week.

2. Germany
In the list of countries where per week working hours are least, Germany is at the second place. In 2009, in Germany working hours of employees were set approximately 1,290 hours per year, but in recent years, working time has been increased to achieve better results. At the present time, In Germany employees are working approximately 1,388 hours per year, i.e. on an average, 27.75 hours per week.

3. Norway
Norway is at the third place in the list of countries where per week working hours are least. Norway has the most generous labour laws in the world. There is a three-week grace period for every worker in Norway, apart from this there is a provision for deduction of working hours for parents. Simultaneously, women are encouraged to work part-time jobs. At the present time, in Norway employees are working approximately 1,400 hours per year, i.e. 28 hours per week.

4. Denmark
Denmark is at the fourth place in the list of countries where per week working hours are least. In Denmark, working schedules are flexible and there are advanced conditions for workers like- vacation payment, stress-free environment and timely salary arrangements etc. At the present time, in Denmark employees are working approximately 1,411 hours per year, i.e. 28.2 hours per week.

5. France
France is at the fifth place in the list of countries where per week working hours are least. At the present time, in France employees are working approximately 1,489 hours in a year, which means average of 29.7 hours per week.




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[hardawayz16]

whose the animals boss? What are their daily task that the boss tells them to do that has nothing to do with benefiting the animal? How much do they get paid? Are they forced to have certain limited food or shelter due to their job title?... Job and survival in the wild are two diff things... There's people for thousands of yrs that survived in the world without capitalism... They knew how to create shelter, hunt, cook, bath and other things without zero use of money... "Jobs" haven't always been around during the existence of mankind

Not knowing where your next meal is coming from. Possibly starving to death. Eating the scraps left behind from bigger predators. Having to constantly move in the search for food and to not be food.

vs

A steady source of income in the modern "pizza in 30 mins or less" world.

Tough choice.

 

[tallblacknyc]

I understand the feeling.

It's funny though. I noticed some people seem to be programmed(deeper than societal programming) to be worker bees. I know some researcher will probably break the code on human behavior and pinpoint what exactly makes some people want to work themselves to death. There are some people who aren't happy unless they are doing backbreaking labor.

I'm not referring to professionals. I'm referring to grunts. It wouldn't surprise me if some people just are hardwired to be drones.

brainwashing... It's way bigger than people know... If you been under a system so long it's hard to break even if they might second guess it... Creature of habit is very real and the slogan you can't teach an old dog a brand new trick... It's reasons why I say it's easier to talk to younger people than older people cause younger people have less time under influence of ideology and could be introduced to something different that will make them snap out of it...older people are dam n near lost souls.. Brutal truth in more ways than 1

 

[tallblacknyc]

Ask them:

10 countries where per week working hours are least

In a developing country like India, where people have to work 45-50 hours per week and work around 2500 hours per year, but there are many developed

m.jagranjosh.com

10 countries where per week working hours are least
1. Netherlands
Netherlands is at the first place in the list of countries where per week working hours are least. Low level of unemployment and high income are key features of working community in Netherlands. Netherlands' government supports balanced, professional and personal growth, apart from this, part-time jobs are encouraged by the government and protection is provided to such workers by law. In Netherlands, employees work approximately 1,380 hours per year, i.e. on an average 27.5 hours per week.

2. Germany
In the list of countries where per week working hours are least, Germany is at the second place. In 2009, in Germany working hours of employees were set approximately 1,290 hours per year, but in recent years, working time has been increased to achieve better results. At the present time, In Germany employees are working approximately 1,388 hours per year, i.e. on an average, 27.75 hours per week.

3. Norway
Norway is at the third place in the list of countries where per week working hours are least. Norway has the most generous labour laws in the world. There is a three-week grace period for every worker in Norway, apart from this there is a provision for deduction of working hours for parents. Simultaneously, women are encouraged to work part-time jobs. At the present time, in Norway employees are working approximately 1,400 hours per year, i.e. 28 hours per week.

4. Denmark
Denmark is at the fourth place in the list of countries where per week working hours are least. In Denmark, working schedules are flexible and there are advanced conditions for workers like- vacation payment, stress-free environment and timely salary arrangements etc. At the present time, in Denmark employees are working approximately 1,411 hours per year, i.e. 28.2 hours per week.

5. France
France is at the fifth place in the list of countries where per week working hours are least. At the present time, in France employees are working approximately 1,489 hours in a year, which means average of 29.7 hours per week.




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not America thanks for posting countries that run diff systems that are not us

 

[tallblacknyc]

Not knowing where your next meal is coming from. Possibly starving to death. Eating the scraps left behind from bigger predators. Having to constantly move in the search for food and to not be food.

vs

A steady source of income in the modern "pizza in 30 mins or less" world.

Tough choice.

Yet most species were easily maintaining themselves b4 human interruption... The worst thing that happened to nature was man... You do know humans ran under the same system and survived...you still talking like humans are rabbits and are the bottom of the totem pole

 

[BAG]

depends on how much paper you need

 

[xxironxx]

I average about 55 a week. So any decrease would be great