YUP. Any time your shit is yellow (away). Best thing I bought in a while.
I'm sitting here watching The Fugitive, at this part
How Many of You Are STILL Working From Home? Remoters vs. Returners... It's Close
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I'm sitting here watching The Fugitive, at this part
All right there's also a way that management can track what is on your screen. I don't remember how oh, but I disabled that back last April
Yeah I been working from home full time since last March. Prior to COVID, I worked from home 2 days a week, but the company I work at has people that WFH remotely full time way before COVID.....The premise for providing WFH option from leadership was the money that was saved.. Now more companies are seeing this benefit...
I think I am considering moving back down south and working remotely full time in the next few years because of the cost of living compared to DC.
I think I am considering moving back down south and working remotely full time in the next few years because of the cost of living compared to DC.
I bolded the last paragraph because it brings up an interesting question.
You know you have chronic migraines. You know how to deal with them. You know how much work you can or can't get done when they occur. You're also not the only person with a chronic health condition.
So why the hell did you, me, and the rest of the world spend our predemic life asking permission to be sick?
It's not just sickness either. Companies try to regulate how much time you spend in the bathroom. What drugs you can use outside of the workplace. What your credit looks like. Who you share a bed with. What parts of your body you can't tattoo. What style and length you keep your hair. All things that have little to no impact and how we do our jobs.
It's almost like our supervisors believe their title was passed down by God. Thus it is their holy burden to ensure that the wayward rebellious children they call workers act in accordance with His divine will.
Did you get your work done early? Take an extra 5 minutes on your last break? That's time theft. A blatant violation of the 8th commandment. Therefore you shall be punished for your moral failings.
A supervisor's job is to organize their department and hold workers accountable to complete their tasks. That's it!
Everything else is madness.
I've been working from home since last March.
It may become permanent for me but there are positions that are better done in the office. In fact they will be reopening the office on a voluntary basis in June.
I will be going into the office to clean out my desk before then because they will be doing hot seating which they were already doing prior to Covid a while the office was closed they hired more people so I already know they don't have space. They are doing a different layout that puts more space between people....
It may become permanent for me but there are positions that are better done in the office. In fact they will be reopening the office on a voluntary basis in June.
I will be going into the office to clean out my desk before then because they will be doing hot seating which they were already doing prior to Covid a while the office was closed they hired more people so I already know they don't have space. They are doing a different layout that puts more space between people....
That's why they can't wait to get his back in the office. They love and live by the overseer mentality. We need to be watched over
Been working two jobs for the last 7 years, one remote and the other onsite. Since covid the on-site job has been remote, last week they said we will be coming back into the office this year. I will be resigning from my on-site job two weeks before going back. Plenty of remote programming jobs out there and I’ll just get another second one.
I was driving an average of 60/70 miles at least 3 to 4 days a week before COVID. Average of 2 hours commuting. Even back then it made no sense. I had an idiotic manager who just wanted us to come in, shit I can do remotely why come to the office to do it.
IMO, if it's proven that the work can be done remotely with barely any face to face in person interaction, why make people come in?
Last year I barely put 3k miles on my ride. I want that trend to continue.
Sadly, my company invested heavily in new office space between 2018/2019 so they need to figure that out, and other locations that now sit empty when before COVID it was a nightmare with parking issues galore.
IMO, if it's proven that the work can be done remotely with barely any face to face in person interaction, why make people come in?
Last year I barely put 3k miles on my ride. I want that trend to continue.
Sadly, my company invested heavily in new office space between 2018/2019 so they need to figure that out, and other locations that now sit empty when before COVID it was a nightmare with parking issues galore.
I'm still working from home (since last March). My firm has been good about it, taking it slow, supplying/sending equipment out to our crib if we need it ...but now moving towards voluntary status this summer.
They're pushing for folks to get vaxxed recently and at the last firmwide Zoom call said they're aiming to have everyone back in office (mandatory) by September.
It's gonna be a big change gettin back to the norm. I have a good setup here at home now and more personal space to get shit done. It's just me so no distractions. Also, the 40 min train commute each way - although not a huge deal - is gonna take some gettin used to again.
I'ma miss it when it's overrr. My next stop got to be less dedicated office time.
Yo, even the years before COVID, I probably got hit with the flu one time. Never really got sick, but there would be weeks on the reg where my glands would be sore as if I was constantly fighting shit off. I realized a few months back that I hadn't had that sore throat sensation AT ALL since we've been remote (over a year).
Goes to show you how much shit we truly come in contact with in gen pop.
They're pushing for folks to get vaxxed recently and at the last firmwide Zoom call said they're aiming to have everyone back in office (mandatory) by September.
It's gonna be a big change gettin back to the norm. I have a good setup here at home now and more personal space to get shit done. It's just me so no distractions. Also, the 40 min train commute each way - although not a huge deal - is gonna take some gettin used to again.
I'ma miss it when it's overrr. My next stop got to be less dedicated office time.
Yo, even the years before COVID, I probably got hit with the flu one time. Never really got sick, but there would be weeks on the reg where my glands would be sore as if I was constantly fighting shit off. I realized a few months back that I hadn't had that sore throat sensation AT ALL since we've been remote (over a year).
Goes to show you how much shit we truly come in contact with in gen pop.
I bolded your middle paragraph because it brings up an interesting rhetorical question.
Significantly less driving means significantly less carbon in the air. Done en mass it means significantly less road repair is needed. Fewer police are needed for traffic checks. Fewer emergency workers are needed to clean up car wrecks. Fewer doctors needed to treat them. Etc
All things considered, wouldn't it be in a city or state's best interest to give tax incentives to companies who allow their employees to work from home?
I’ve been working from home since March since this shit began. I’m in Michigan so anytime the needle moves the shit changes so return to work has been pushed to Oct. 2021. The best non business owner move has been calling the car insurance and placing my work vehicle in storage which reduced my car insurance in half. I placed one of those car battery chargers on my car to keep the battery from depleting and don’t even drive it unless some emergency.
Monday, Wednesday and Thursday remote Tuesday and Friday in office for Department head meetings, intern interviews and Sever Watch from my office. Check emails on Saturday and Sunday get paid for half a day for maybe 30 minutes of work. Covid put a hold on attending any tech conferences but, might start back to attending in person conferences soon.
I'm assuming the side pieces were co-workers. Playa Playa at work huh? In my young days bruh.
Damn sorry to hear that bruh. Are you going to try and keep some roots in Houston? What's that about 3 hours?
Same here. I've been working 100% remote for about 5yrs and I have no intentions in going back. Shit, programmers SHOULD work from home; we don't need to be a fuckin' office. I've even been able to work a 2nd job from time to time. As someone else mentioned, the only issue with that is Zoom/Teams/Slack/WebEx mtg conflicts.
Guess I could handle the city for two days with an occasional venture to Flashdancers.
Damn I didn't think of that. Didn't think of that. Depending on the gigs I could swing that.
You know you're my inspiration right!?
Of coarse fam. My fam and crib is still in da H. The company pay for 17 return trips. I am going back this weekend and going to Baton Rouge the following week.
COVID forced my job to start having people work from home who don't have to physically be there. I work from home.
They haven't said anything about us going back, but they've assured us that business seems to be going well so I imagine we're gonna be home for awhile.
I could actually work on-site if I wanted to, but my workload has slowed down tremendously so there wouldn't be a point.
I used to had to work 10-12 hrs a day plus Saturdays, now I only got like 30 minutes worth of work a day.
Not only am I basically getting paid to do nothing now (with overtime), I'm making more money now than I did before the pandemic.
So right now I'm just focused on maintaining my health and hooking up my crib. I live by myself, no kids, no woman. Stress levels way down. Nobody breathing down my neck. Hella sleep, hella music bumpin', PS5 on deck, just copped a big TV for the bedroom yesterday.
I fucks with this shit. I'm just getting comfortable now.
The only thing I miss is getting eye-fucked by my female co-workers. All them hoes at my job that I could've smash but I didn't because "dOn'T sHiT wHeRe U eAt!" I wish I was fuckin' on them hoes right now.
Because all I need is some new hoes. But this mask shit fucked up everything. I had to go back to my old hoes, and that shit wasn't the move, brudda.
They haven't said anything about us going back, but they've assured us that business seems to be going well so I imagine we're gonna be home for awhile.
I could actually work on-site if I wanted to, but my workload has slowed down tremendously so there wouldn't be a point.
I used to had to work 10-12 hrs a day plus Saturdays, now I only got like 30 minutes worth of work a day.
Not only am I basically getting paid to do nothing now (with overtime), I'm making more money now than I did before the pandemic.
So right now I'm just focused on maintaining my health and hooking up my crib. I live by myself, no kids, no woman. Stress levels way down. Nobody breathing down my neck. Hella sleep, hella music bumpin', PS5 on deck, just copped a big TV for the bedroom yesterday.
I fucks with this shit. I'm just getting comfortable now.
The only thing I miss is getting eye-fucked by my female co-workers. All them hoes at my job that I could've smash but I didn't because "dOn'T sHiT wHeRe U eAt!" I wish I was fuckin' on them hoes right now.
Because all I need is some new hoes. But this mask shit fucked up everything. I had to go back to my old hoes, and that shit wasn't the move, brudda.
I use a laptop computer for work. I got this little bluetooth speaker that's heavy enough to register keystrokes.
I would open a notepad or a word document, and just lay that bitch on the 0 of my laptop's key pad. Had my remote connection running all day.
Working to be jobless.....lolDamn I didn't think of that. Didn't think of that. Depending on the gigs I could swing that.
You know you're my inspiration right!?
For single folks with no attachments, this is a great time to take advantage of. Go live overseas for a year while working remotely.
dont think that a mouse jiggler makes you safe. it just shows that you're not idle.
in my line of work, i can see exactly what you're doing as far as applications your opening, browsers you're using....the exact time that you did it.
A simple check of Activity logs, will show anyone in IT security if you're just being a lazy ass and simply ridin the clock.
Just be careful on that.
I agree. I wouldn't try any fake shit.
So I start back teaching on campus today and exactly what I thought would happen, happened. Only two students showed up and the rest was at home on the remote session
The campus president comes into my classroom and asked me where all my students are at? I pointed to the computer screen.
Yeah, folks underestimate the deep level of data that is collected now of days.
So I start back teaching on campus today and exactly what I thought would happen, happened. Only two students showed up and the rest was at home on the remote session
The campus president comes into my classroom and asked me where all my students are at? I pointed to the computer screen.
I would think they'd audit the students first to determine the actual attendance before opening the doors.
I have been working from home for the last 21 years. The pandemic has been a blessing because zero clients are expecting a face to face
Apple employees push back against returning to the office in internal letter
“Over the last year we often felt not just unheard, but at times actively ignored”
Apple employees are pushing back against a new policy that would require them to return to the office three days a week starting in early September. Staff members say they want a flexible approach where those who want to work remote can do so, according to an internal letter obtained by The Verge.
“We would like to take the opportunity to communicate a growing concern among our colleagues,” the letter says. “That Apple’s remote/location-flexible work policy, and the communication around it, have already forced some of our colleagues to quit. Without the inclusivity that flexibility brings, many of us feel we have to choose between either a combination of our families, our well-being, and being empowered to do our best work, or being a part of Apple.”
The move comes just two days after Tim Cook sent out a note to Apple employees saying they would need return to the office on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays starting in the fall. Most employees can work remotely twice a week. They can also be remote for up to two weeks a year, pending manager approval.
It’s an easing of restrictions compared to Apple’s previous company culture, which famously discouraged employees from working from home prior to the pandemic. Yet it’s still more conservative compared to other tech giants. Both Twitter and Facebook have told employees they can work from home forever, even after the pandemic ends.
A CLEAR DIVIDE
For some Apple workers, the current policy doesn’t go far enough, and shows a clear divide between how Apple executives and employees view remote work.
“Over the last year we often felt not just unheard, but at times actively ignored,” the letter says. “Messages like, ‘we know many of you are eager to reconnect in person with your colleagues back in the office,’ with no messaging acknowledging that there are directly contradictory feelings amongst us feels dismissive and invalidating...It feels like there is a disconnect between how the executive team thinks about remote / location-flexible work and the lived experiences of many of Apple’s employees.”
The letter, addressed to Tim Cook, started in a Slack channel for “remote work advocates” which has roughly 2,800 members. About 80 people were involved in writing and editing the note.
Apple employees say that embracing remote work is paramount for the company’s diversity and inclusion efforts. “For inclusion and diversity to work, we have to recognize how different we all are, and with those differences, come different needs and different ways to thrive,” they say.
Here are the specific asks outlined by employees in the note:
Apple did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Verge.
Read the full letter below:
www.theverge.com
“Over the last year we often felt not just unheard, but at times actively ignored”
Apple employees are pushing back against a new policy that would require them to return to the office three days a week starting in early September. Staff members say they want a flexible approach where those who want to work remote can do so, according to an internal letter obtained by The Verge.
“We would like to take the opportunity to communicate a growing concern among our colleagues,” the letter says. “That Apple’s remote/location-flexible work policy, and the communication around it, have already forced some of our colleagues to quit. Without the inclusivity that flexibility brings, many of us feel we have to choose between either a combination of our families, our well-being, and being empowered to do our best work, or being a part of Apple.”
The move comes just two days after Tim Cook sent out a note to Apple employees saying they would need return to the office on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays starting in the fall. Most employees can work remotely twice a week. They can also be remote for up to two weeks a year, pending manager approval.
It’s an easing of restrictions compared to Apple’s previous company culture, which famously discouraged employees from working from home prior to the pandemic. Yet it’s still more conservative compared to other tech giants. Both Twitter and Facebook have told employees they can work from home forever, even after the pandemic ends.
A CLEAR DIVIDE
For some Apple workers, the current policy doesn’t go far enough, and shows a clear divide between how Apple executives and employees view remote work.
“Over the last year we often felt not just unheard, but at times actively ignored,” the letter says. “Messages like, ‘we know many of you are eager to reconnect in person with your colleagues back in the office,’ with no messaging acknowledging that there are directly contradictory feelings amongst us feels dismissive and invalidating...It feels like there is a disconnect between how the executive team thinks about remote / location-flexible work and the lived experiences of many of Apple’s employees.”
The letter, addressed to Tim Cook, started in a Slack channel for “remote work advocates” which has roughly 2,800 members. About 80 people were involved in writing and editing the note.
Apple employees say that embracing remote work is paramount for the company’s diversity and inclusion efforts. “For inclusion and diversity to work, we have to recognize how different we all are, and with those differences, come different needs and different ways to thrive,” they say.
Here are the specific asks outlined by employees in the note:
The letter was sent out for Apple employees to sign late Friday afternoon.
Apple did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Verge.
Read the full letter below:
Dear Tim and Executive Leadership,
Thank you for your thoughtful considerations on a hybrid approach to returning to office work, and for sharing it with all of us early this week. We appreciate your efforts in navigating what has been undeniably an incredibly difficult time for everyone around the world, and doing so for over one hundred thousand people. We are certain you have more plans than were shared on Wednesday, but are following Apple’s time-honored tradition of only announcing things when they are ready. However, we feel like the current policy is not sufficient in addressing many of our needs, so we want to take some time to explain ourselves.
This past year has been an unprecedented challenge for our company; we had to learn how to deliver the same quality of products and services that Apple is known for, all while working almost completely remotely. We did so, achieving another record-setting year. We found a way for everyone to support each other and succeed in a completely new way of working together — from locations we were able to choose at our own discretion (often at home).
However, we would like to take the opportunity to communicate a growing concern among our colleagues. That Apple’s remote/location-flexible work policy, and the communication around it, have already forced some of our colleagues to quit. Without the inclusivity that flexibility brings, many of us feel we have to choose between either a combination of our families, our well-being, and being empowered to do our best work, or being a part of Apple. This is a decision none of us take lightly, and a decision many would prefer not to have to make. These concerns are largely what prompted us to advocate for changes to these policies, and data collected will reflect those concerns.
Over the last year we often felt not just unheard, but at times actively ignored. Messages like, ‘we know many of you are eager to reconnect in person with your colleagues back in the office,’ with no messaging acknowledging that there are directly contradictory feelings amongst us feels dismissive and invalidating. Not only do many of us already feel well-connected with our colleagues worldwide, but better-connected now than ever. We’ve come to look forward to working as we are now, without the daily need to return to the office. It feels like there is a disconnect between how the executive team thinks about remote / location-flexible work and the lived experiences of many of Apple’s employees.
For many of us at Apple, we have succeeded not despite working from home, but in large part because of being able to work outside the office. The last year has felt like we have truly been able to do the best work of our lives for the first time, unconstrained by the challenges that daily commutes to offices and in-person co-located offices themselves inevitably impose; all while still being able to take better care of ourselves and the people around us.
Looking around the corner, we believe the future of work will be significantly more location and timezone flexible. In fact, we are already a distributed company with offices all over the world and across many different timezones. Apple’s organizational hierarchy lends itself towards offices that often follow the same structure, wherein people in the same organization are more likely to be co-located in an office. At the same time, we strongly encourage cross-functional, cross-organization collaboration, and our organization’s many horizontal teams reflect this. Such collaboration is widely celebrated across our organization, and arguably leads us to our best results — it’s one of the things that makes Apple, Apple. However, orgs are rarely co-located within walking distance, let alone in the same building, meaning our best collaboration has always required remote communication with teams in other offices and across timezones, since long before the pandemic. We encourage distributed work from our business partners, and we’ve been a remote-communication necessary company for some time, a vision of the future that Steve Jobs himself predicated in an interview from 1990. This may explain how mandatory out-of-office work enabled tearing down cross-functional communication barriers to deliver even better results.
Almost all of us have worked fully remote for over a year now, though the experience arguably would have been better less one pandemic. We have developed two major versions of all our operating systems, organized two full WWDCs, introduced numerous new products, transitioned to our own chipsets, and supported our customers with the same level of care as before. We have already piloted location-flexible work the last 15 months under much more extreme conditions and we were very successful in doing so, finding the following benefits of remote and location-flexible work for a large number of our colleagues:
- Diversity and Inclusion in Retention and Hiring
- Tearing Down Previously Existing Communication Barriers
- Better Work Life Balance
- Better Integration of Existing Remote / Location-Flexible Workers
- Reduced Spread of Pathogens
We ask for your support in enabling those who want to work remotely / in location-flexible ways to continue to do so, letting everyone figure out which work setup works best for them, their team, and their role — be it in one of our offices, from home, or a hybrid solution. We are living proof that there is no one-size-fits-all policy for people. For Inclusion and Diversity to work, we have to recognize how different we all are, and with those differences, come different needs and different ways to thrive. We feel that Apple has both the responsibility to recognize these differences, as well as the capability to fully embrace them. Officially enabling individual management chains and individual teams to make decisions that work best for their teams roles, individuals, and needs — and having that be the official stated policy rather than the rare individual exceptions — would alleviate the concerns and reservations many of us currently have.
We understand that inertia is real and that change is difficult to achieve. The pandemic forcing us to work from home has given us a unique opportunity. Most of the change has already happened, remote/location-flexible work is currently the “new normal,” we just need to make sure we make the best of it now. We believe that Apple has the ability to be a leader in this realm, not by declaring ‘everyone just work from home for forever,’ as some other companies have done, but by declaring an official broad paradigm policy, that allows individual leaders to make decisions that will enable their teams to do the best work of their lives. We strongly believe this is the ideal moment to “burn the boats” — to boldly declare ‘yes this can be done, and done successfully, because there is no other choice for the future.’
We have gathered some of our requests and action items to help continue the conversation and make sure everyone is heard.
- We are formally requesting that Apple considers remote and location-flexible work decisions to be as autonomous for a team to decide as are hiring decisions.
- We are formally requesting a company-wide recurring short survey with a clearly structured and transparent communication / feedback process at the company-wide level, organization-wide level, and team-wide level, covering topics listed below.
- We are formally requesting a question about employee churn due to remote work be added to exit interviews.
- We are formally requesting a transparent, clear plan of action to accommodate disabilities via onsite, offsite, remote, hybrid, or otherwise location-flexible work.
- We are formally requesting insight into the environmental impact of returning to onsite in-person work, and how permanent remote-and-location-flexibility could offset that impact.
We have great respect for Apple and its leadership; we strongly believe in the Innovation and Thinking Differently (from “the way things have always been done” and “industry standards”) that are part of Apple’s DNA. We all wish to continue to “bleed six colors” at Apple itself and not elsewhere. At Apple, our most important resource, our soul, is our people, and we believe that ensuring we are all heard, represented, and validated is how we continue to defend and protect that precious sentiment.
This is not a petition, though it may resemble one. This is a plea: let’s work together to truly welcome everyone forward.
Apple employees push back against returning to the office in internal letter
Tim Cook is asking employees to return three days a week
www.theverge.com