Illinois wants to put the squeeze on the landscaping hustle. Government over reach in action

THE DRIZZY

Ally of The Great Ancestors
OG Investor
The state of Illinois wants all landscaping workers to be certified and licensed. Landscaping is one of the few hustles that only required equipment, good service, and a work ethic. It has passed the Senate floor but I hope the House puts this shit down.

I know Illinois needs revenue but this will hurt many people in this business. The large landscaping firms wants to eliminate the competition and make it harder for others to get a piece of the pie. If Illinois passes this BS bill other states might follow suit. It must be defeated.


More info here.

https://trackbill.com/bill/illinois-senate-bill-1899-landscape-architecture-new-act/1691838/
 

THE DRIZZY

Ally of The Great Ancestors
OG Investor
this will also hurt alot of bruhs coming out of the prison system trying to earn an honest dollar.

It damn sure will:smh:. The corporate interest and the state wants their cut, fuck the small industrious people who want a legal hustle. Not only that if they pass it and are somehow able to enforce it the fine can be as high as 10K$. So someone could have a garbage collection business and clean up the roads, if they get sweated for cleaning up without a license they can get fined. If they even plant a shrub they can get fined. This shit is beyond ridiculous:smh:.
 

Cannibal

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Damn! A motherfucker got to be certified to sling dirt from one pile to the next. He got to be certified to run a lawnmower, really? What's next a license to drive a lawnmower. C'mon man. I swear cacs are the essence of evil. They keep proving it, over and over and over again.
 

gene cisco

Not A BGOL Eunuch
BGOL Investor
On so many levels. I am not in the business, but I will be calling my congressperson to not give this BS the light of day. Like I said if passed here in Illinois, this can have ramifications in other states.
Fuck this bullshit. I just hired a cat who basically under the table. These crazy cacs wanted 75 for a cut. :lol:

All the government wants is to tax/fee these cats so they have more money to piss away. I'm against giving politicians any more fucking money to waste. Learn how to budget the shit you have. The balls on these politicians. Want to have pigs running up on landscapers creating more havoc.
 

PeerlessMack

Been here longer than you think!
Platinum Member
In Florida, landscaping and car washing is big hand to hand cash business.

I personally know somebody who started off walking neighborhoods with a push mower going door to door. Two years later he had a new truck hauling a Dixie Chopper. Last time I talked to him he said he was doing lovely since he got a few commercial property contracts. However, he did say the market was getting heavily saturated. Haven't heard from him since the late 2000's.
 

ORIGINAL NATION

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Here in the part of Alabama I am in they been looking for people riding around in trucks with riding mower, weed eaters, blowers, etc. stopping them to make sure they got landscaping license. So they been trying to make sure they tax that money around here. And it is a trip. That movie "The Spook That Sat By The Door" that dude was right about them locking us down while they police the world. They are not sharing the loot from robbing them countries with anybody that is not a part of criminal empire.
Hell they even rob citizens here that have made money legally and paid taxes. Thing is
 

THE DRIZZY

Ally of The Great Ancestors
OG Investor
Democrats

True, the Dems control all three branches in Illinois, but let's give the entire title to these scum. Liberal Democrats in bed with lobbyist. No different than the Republicans with their lobbyists. Politicians are the biggest government paid whores out there. Their whoredom will put any 2 bit junky whore to shame. At least the junky whore's intentions are to get high that makes them more honorable in a way........... Politicians screw people in different ways that impact peoples lives.
 

THE DRIZZY

Ally of The Great Ancestors
OG Investor
Here in the part of Alabama I am in they been looking for people riding around in trucks with riding mower, weed eaters, blowers, etc. stopping them to make sure they got landscaping license. So they been trying to make sure they tax that money around here. And it is a trip. That movie "The Spook That Sat By The Door" that dude was right about them locking us down while they police the world. They are not sharing the loot from robbing them countries with anybody that is not a part of criminal empire.
Hell they even rob citizens here that have made money legally and paid taxes. Thing is

So people in other states are paying attention. Besides making it harder for bruhs coming out of prison, this I believe is two fold. Also note that many Latinos dominate this hustle. They will definitely feel the pinch especially in sanctuary cities. The lobbyist are smart. They are really 45's people but will lobby democrats in office on some 'hey there is revenue being made that could be taxed';). This way both sides of the dirty bird gets what they want. The Republican lobby gets the sweet contracts and make it harder for those smaller than them to compete while simultaneously cutting off income for undocumented people. The Democrats get more taxable sources to run and maintain social programs. They get you coming and going:smh:.
 

xxxbishopxxx

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-license-to-landscape-bill-is-a-pure-protection-racket/

Illinois ‘license to landscape’ bill is a pure protection racket



Licensing should be the last resort. Instead, in the case of the landscape architects, it appears to be a grab for a different kind of green.

Illinois gardeners, growers and landscapers are ready for spring.

With the “last frost” date approaching for most of the state, planning, building, tilling and planting will soon be in full swing.

But hold on …

You got a license for that?

A bill passed out of the Illinois Senate would create a new hedge maze for anyone with a green thumb. It’s an unfortunate example of just how confusing and unnecessary new licensing regimes can be. And unsurprisingly, it’s being pushed by a special interest group looking to grow its own bottom line.

Senate Bill 1899 says that anyone working in the field of landscape architecture must obtain a special license from the state. That means passing an exam, and you’ll need to jump through some high hoops just to take it.

You can either 1) complete a course of study and graduate from an accredited landscape architecture school and gather two years of experience under the supervision of a licensed landscape architect; or 2) get a bachelor’s degree in surveying, urban planning, architecture or engineering and work for six years under a licensed landscape architect.

It’s an expensive, yearslong slog.

But what counts as landscape architecture? And how has the field been functioning without state licensure for so long?

The bill is maddeningly broad, making it unclear what Illinoisans actually need a license to do. The following is real language from the bill, offering a sample of what landscape architecture projects include, but are not limited to. Keep in mind that this is a bill with a stated purpose of improving public safety:

  • “Developing landscape architecture design concepts”
  • “Establishing form and aesthetic elements of a site”
  • “Determining vegetative systems for soil conservation”
  • “Planting and ground cover”
The bill says it should not be construed to prohibit landscape contractors from doing their work without this license. Who counts as a landscape contractor under the bill is unclear.

“I would have to tell aspiring entrepreneurs that they might be committing a crime if they advise people on how to plant a garden,” said Beth Kregor, director of the Institute for Justice Clinic on Entrepreneurship at the University of Chicago Law School. The clinic specializes in helping lower-income small business owners navigate rules and regulations.

“Many entrepreneurs would give up on earning an honest living in landscaping,” Kregor said. “We would never know how many budding businesses were choked out.”

There’s no denying what talented landscape architects can do. A pioneer of the field, Jens Jensen, was a key player in designing some of Chicago’s most important public spaces, including Columbus Park, Humboldt Park and Garfield Park.

But what made Jensen great wasn’t any piece of paper from a state licensing board. It was his artistry, integrity and hard work.

This bill isn’t about protecting consumers. It’s about protecting incumbents.

Hundreds of people representing the American Society of Landscape Architects filed witness slips in favor of the bill. They get paid a premium by limiting competition. If the college student with a truck down the street is doing unlicensed landscape architecture work, an anointed architect can call up the state.

This kind of misguided overreach is nothing new in Illinois.

A cosmetologist must complete 350 days of educational training to get a state license. An EMT can be licensed after just 37.

In order to practice as a sign language interpreter, Illinoisans must pay a $900 fee, complete more than four years of education and pass two exams. Meanwhile, 29 states don’t license this profession at all.

When looking to reduce risk in any profession, lawmakers must start with the least restrictive measures – private certifying organizations and voluntary bonding or insurance, for example.

Only when nongovernmental means have utterly failed should the state get involved. Even then, lawmakers should start with less invasive methods, like laws against deceptive trade practices.

Licensing should be the last resort. Instead, in the case of the landscape architects, it appears to be a grab for a different kind of green.

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THE DRIZZY

Ally of The Great Ancestors
OG Investor
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-license-to-landscape-bill-is-a-pure-protection-racket/

Illinois ‘license to landscape’ bill is a pure protection racket



Licensing should be the last resort. Instead, in the case of the landscape architects, it appears to be a grab for a different kind of green.

Illinois gardeners, growers and landscapers are ready for spring.

With the “last frost” date approaching for most of the state, planning, building, tilling and planting will soon be in full swing.

But hold on …

You got a license for that?

A bill passed out of the Illinois Senate would create a new hedge maze for anyone with a green thumb. It’s an unfortunate example of just how confusing and unnecessary new licensing regimes can be. And unsurprisingly, it’s being pushed by a special interest group looking to grow its own bottom line.

Senate Bill 1899 says that anyone working in the field of landscape architecture must obtain a special license from the state. That means passing an exam, and you’ll need to jump through some high hoops just to take it.

You can either 1) complete a course of study and graduate from an accredited landscape architecture school and gather two years of experience under the supervision of a licensed landscape architect; or 2) get a bachelor’s degree in surveying, urban planning, architecture or engineering and work for six years under a licensed landscape architect.

It’s an expensive, yearslong slog.

But what counts as landscape architecture? And how has the field been functioning without state licensure for so long?

The bill is maddeningly broad, making it unclear what Illinoisans actually need a license to do. The following is real language from the bill, offering a sample of what landscape architecture projects include, but are not limited to. Keep in mind that this is a bill with a stated purpose of improving public safety:

  • “Developing landscape architecture design concepts”
  • “Establishing form and aesthetic elements of a site”
  • “Determining vegetative systems for soil conservation”
  • “Planting and ground cover”
The bill says it should not be construed to prohibit landscape contractors from doing their work without this license. Who counts as a landscape contractor under the bill is unclear.

“I would have to tell aspiring entrepreneurs that they might be committing a crime if they advise people on how to plant a garden,” said Beth Kregor, director of the Institute for Justice Clinic on Entrepreneurship at the University of Chicago Law School. The clinic specializes in helping lower-income small business owners navigate rules and regulations.

“Many entrepreneurs would give up on earning an honest living in landscaping,” Kregor said. “We would never know how many budding businesses were choked out.”

There’s no denying what talented landscape architects can do. A pioneer of the field, Jens Jensen, was a key player in designing some of Chicago’s most important public spaces, including Columbus Park, Humboldt Park and Garfield Park.

But what made Jensen great wasn’t any piece of paper from a state licensing board. It was his artistry, integrity and hard work.

This bill isn’t about protecting consumers. It’s about protecting incumbents.

Hundreds of people representing the American Society of Landscape Architects filed witness slips in favor of the bill. They get paid a premium by limiting competition. If the college student with a truck down the street is doing unlicensed landscape architecture work, an anointed architect can call up the state.

This kind of misguided overreach is nothing new in Illinois.

A cosmetologist must complete 350 days of educational training to get a state license. An EMT can be licensed after just 37.

In order to practice as a sign language interpreter, Illinoisans must pay a $900 fee, complete more than four years of education and pass two exams. Meanwhile, 29 states don’t license this profession at all.

When looking to reduce risk in any profession, lawmakers must start with the least restrictive measures – private certifying organizations and voluntary bonding or insurance, for example.

Only when nongovernmental means have utterly failed should the state get involved. Even then, lawmakers should start with less invasive methods, like laws against deceptive trade practices.

Licensing should be the last resort. Instead, in the case of the landscape architects, it appears to be a grab for a different kind of green.

Want more? Get stories like this delivered straight to your inbox.

The whole thing stinks to high hell.
 

THE DRIZZY

Ally of The Great Ancestors
OG Investor
they tried to do the same shit here in michigan and it was shot down real quick,,hell they even tried to go after beauty salons...

Yep good point you brought up about the cosmetology and the barber industry as well. The gubmint knows there are people hitting licks and they want their cut. I hope Illinois follows Michigan's example and shoot it down also. The issue is not so much the license. It is the attached red tape which ties people up in training and course requirements. Why do I need courses to prove my natural talent?:hmm:

The fees attached to this Bill are insane also those Dems in power better not do this.
 

p5ych3

Curry Is My God
BGOL Patreon Investor
holy fuck. that is not just a license. they trying to make ppl take college level courses to cut grass.

You can either 1) complete a course of study and graduate from an accredited landscape architecture school and gather two years of experience under the supervision of a licensed landscape architect; or 2) get a bachelor’s degree in surveying, urban planning, architecture or engineering and work for six years under a licensed landscape architect.

i think most will go the route of having one person licensed and just work under that person.
 

theteacher

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
On so many levels. I am not in the business, but I will be calling my congressperson to not give this BS the light of day. Like I said if passed here in Illinois, this can have ramifications in other states.
You know this is to hit the Hispanics
and from what i am reading from this thread,
the brothers coming out of prison.

I see a few black dudes in NYC w/ their lil sons doing landscape work too.
licensed and certified.
to cut some fucken grass, trim bushes
th'fuck!!!​
 

gene cisco

Not A BGOL Eunuch
BGOL Investor
True, the Dems control all three branches in Illinois, but let's give the entire title to these scum. Liberal Democrats in bed with lobbyist. No different than the Republicans with their lobbyists. Politicians are the biggest government paid whores out there. Their whoredom will put any 2 bit junky whore to shame. At least the junky whore's intentions are to get high that makes them more honorable in a way........... Politicians screw people in different ways that impact peoples lives.
You have to watch politicians at the local level.
 
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