I ride for Palestine and I don’t even know a Palestinian to try to score points with. It’s smarter to learn people’s motivations than to make them up.
Israel Declares War After Hamas Attacks
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That’s a ridiculous comparison because you don’t know if those people even agreed with what their government is doing. A slave master and their confirmed family ain’t even close to the same as a random Jewish family minding their own business. There’s a lot of Jews not down with what their government is doing and they don’t put that on the news. Killing random families ain’t the same as killing your slave master wtf. Them people could have supported Palestine for all you know
BLM Chicago just said the quiet part out loud:
The vast majority of niggas riding hard for these Arabs are doing so for INTERRACIAL SEXUAL ACCESS
ignorance...
The Ferguson/Palestine Connection
so you never read the history of any slave revolts / uprisings?
I suggest reading about Nat Turner for a start ...
then maybe the haitian revolution...
you'll find many parallels
not really
Those innocent Japanese people could have opposed what their country was doing in world war II...guess what? Ya country still dropped an atomic bomb on them. There is no rules or morals. I can't judge a group of people for responding to oppression.
Haitian revolution is an excellent comparison. Where those people wrong for killing whole families of their slavemasters? @Dr. Truth
Did she really say “unalived en mass”…..
The term is KILLED EN MASS.
Goddamn, she was making great points but that dumb sounding comment just ruined whatever the fuck she was saying.
”Unalived?” GTFOH With this bullshit ass new age language.
That’s not even close to the same thing.
That’s a weird comparison and not remotely comparable
Slave masters are not random people. Not a good comparison at all
exactly the same
in our examples the majority of whites killed did not own slaves and were working poor or trades men
Their kids are regular people...they got killed too...you would have been like guys stop they are innocent let's do this another way lmao
He sees the correlation...he's in to deep to say he's wrong
No? Explain
Passion but No Violence at 2 N.Y.C. Protests Over Mideast War
Hundreds gathered without incident in Times Square, and Jewish Voice for Peace pulled hundreds more in Brooklyn to call for Palestinian rights.
Protesters behind a barricade with a Palestinian flag in the foreground.
Demonstrators supporting Gazans and Israelis faced off near Times Square in the sort of event that is a New York staple.Credit...Jeenah Moon for The New York Times
Liam Stack
By Liam Stack
Oct. 13, 2023
Hundreds of people gathered in Times Square on Friday to protest the weeklong Israeli bombardment of Gaza that has followed the Hamas attack, waving Palestinian flags and antiwar banners as more than 100 police officers and scores of television cameras looked on.
The gathering, and a rally Friday evening in Brooklyn for Jews supporting Palestinians, might once have been considered unremarkable. But in the days leading up to the daytime protest, rumors about it sent a wave of anxiety through New York. The city has been stricken by grief and living on edge since the incursion and the Israeli response, which together have killed thousands of civilians.
Amir Fattah, 31, a Palestinian-American from Staten Island, said his parents had spent the week at home, watching the news and crying.
“All we have is our tears,” he said. “We can’t do anything.”
But he did not tell his family he was coming to Times Square, he said, because they would be worried.
Image
A group packs the area in front of building with a green awning and scaffolding in front. A yellow banner, with some of the words blocked by people, is held in front of the entrance.
Demonstrators marched from Grand Army Plaza in Brooklyn to the Prospect Park West home of Chuck Schumer, the Senate majority leader, to demand that the U.S. government push for a cease-fire.Credit...Dave Sanders for The New York Times
Later, a crowd of about 1,000 people gathered at Grand Army Plaza in Brooklyn for a rally organized by the group Jewish Voice for Peace. The event began with a prayer, and the demonstrators then marched two blocks to the Prospect Park West home of Chuck Schumer, the Senate majority leader, to demand that the U.S. government push for a cease-fire.
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“As Jewish New Yorkers, we are here to say, ‘not in our name,’” Morgan Bassichis, a Jewish Voice for Peace organizer, said to the crowd. “We have lost Israeli and Palestinian lives.”
Demonstrators carried signs that said “Jews against apartheid” and “Jewish descendants of Holocaust survivors against Israeli apartheid” and chanted “not in our name” and “no more weapons to Israel” as a trombone and small drum corps kept the tempo.
Image
A woman, wearing a skirt and T-shirt that says “Palestine” in red above a drawing of a tree in green and Arabic writing in red, stands at the front of a crowd. Her arm is around the child, wearing glasses, beside her.
Louisa Solomon, center, a rabbinical student from Queens, brought her children at the rally to teach them “the kind of Judaism that I want to lead and be a part of where we oppose genocide and support a better future.”Credit...Dave Sanders for The New York Times
Louisa Solomon, a rabbinical student from Queens, was among those in the crowd. Ms. Solomon, 41, had brought her children, Rosie, 6, and Reuben, 4, along to teach them “the kind of Judaism that I want to lead and be a part of where we oppose genocide and support a better future.”
“I want to listen to what folks on the ground are asking for, and what we’ve heard is that people are asking for a cease-fire,” she added.
The protesters left Mr. Schumer’s residence just before 8 p.m. and moved to Flatbush Avenue, where they blocked traffic around Grand Army Plaza, one of the city’s busiest traffic loops.
The daytime rally unfolded amid the routine business of New York: pedicabs weaving, tourists navigating the crowds, people shopping for sneakers. But social media posts had spread false information about a terrorist attack supposedly planned to take place in Times Square at the same time as Friday’s protest. Cable news segments and tabloid coverage had warned about a “Global Day of Jihad.” A thrum of worry seemed to power endless doom scrolling.
The public unease led some companies to advise employees to consider working from home on Friday. An increased number of police patrols monitored synagogues and mosques for any sign of trouble, Mayor Eric Adams said. Some families kept children home from school.
Tomer Applebaum, 37, an Israel Defense Forces veteran who lives on Staten Island, stood among a group of pro-Israel protesters. Friends of his kept their children home from school on Friday, he said, but his own children went to class.
“I’m not going to let some terrorists in a hole in Gaza scare me,” Mr. Applebaum said.
Elected officials tried to calm the public’s nerves before the rally. At a news conference on Thursday evening, Mr. Adams and Gov. Kathy Hochul told New Yorkers that there were no signs of danger, an assertion backed up by the New York Police Department and the Anti-Defamation League.
Nevertheless, some New Yorkers remained on edge. Linda Salamon, 68, a child of Holocaust survivors, said she went to Times Square in support of Israel over the objections of her daughter.
“It was every place on social media,” Ms. Salamon said. “My daughter’s sending me clips, ‘Be careful today.’”
Ms. Salamon came anyway because she said she viewed the Hamas attacks, which killed more than 1,200 Israelis, as “just like another Holocaust.” She did not see a meaningful distinction between supporting Palestinians and supporting Hamas, she said.
“I don’t understand how somebody could support terror — you know, support the Palestinians right now,” she said, though many prominent political leaders, Palestinians and others who have been supportive of the Palestinian cause have unequivocally denounced the initial attack.
Across the street at the pro-Palestine rally, Rachel Acuña, 39, said it had been difficult to watch the news coverage of the Hamas attack on Israel and Israel’s bombardment of Gaza, which has killed at least 1,900 Palestinians, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry.
“I’ve been crying a lot,” she said.
The last week had felt “isolating,” said Ms. Acuña, who is part Dominican and part Palestinian. Neighbors in Washington Heights had given her dirty looks when she went out wearing Palestinian earrings or a traditional kuffiyah scarf, she said.
“I was raised as a Latina in this country, and when 9/11 happened, I realized the rest of the world didn’t see a Latina — they saw an Arab woman,” Ms. Acuña said. This week, she said, “people in my neighborhood are uncomfortable making eye contact with me. Lots of people shake their heads at me.”
Chelsia Rose Marcius, Olivia Bensimon and Wesley Parnell contributed reporting.
A correction was made on Oct. 13, 2023: An earlier version of this article included an incorrect name of the group that organized a rally in Brooklyn. It was Jewish Voice for Peace, not Jews for Peace.
When we learn of a mistake, we acknowledge it with a correction. If you spot an error, please let us know at nytnews@nytimes.com.Learn more
Liam Stack is a religion correspondent on the Metro desk, covering New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. He was previously a political reporter based in New York and a Middle East correspondent based in Cairo. More about Liam Stack
A version of this article appears in print on Oct. 14, 2023, Section A, Page 16 of the New York edition with the headline: Amid Worries, Palestinian Supporters Rally Without Incident. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe
Hundreds gathered without incident in Times Square, and Jewish Voice for Peace pulled hundreds more in Brooklyn to call for Palestinian rights.
Protesters behind a barricade with a Palestinian flag in the foreground.
Demonstrators supporting Gazans and Israelis faced off near Times Square in the sort of event that is a New York staple.Credit...Jeenah Moon for The New York Times
Liam Stack
By Liam Stack
Oct. 13, 2023
Hundreds of people gathered in Times Square on Friday to protest the weeklong Israeli bombardment of Gaza that has followed the Hamas attack, waving Palestinian flags and antiwar banners as more than 100 police officers and scores of television cameras looked on.
The gathering, and a rally Friday evening in Brooklyn for Jews supporting Palestinians, might once have been considered unremarkable. But in the days leading up to the daytime protest, rumors about it sent a wave of anxiety through New York. The city has been stricken by grief and living on edge since the incursion and the Israeli response, which together have killed thousands of civilians.
Amir Fattah, 31, a Palestinian-American from Staten Island, said his parents had spent the week at home, watching the news and crying.
“All we have is our tears,” he said. “We can’t do anything.”
But he did not tell his family he was coming to Times Square, he said, because they would be worried.
Image
A group packs the area in front of building with a green awning and scaffolding in front. A yellow banner, with some of the words blocked by people, is held in front of the entrance.
Demonstrators marched from Grand Army Plaza in Brooklyn to the Prospect Park West home of Chuck Schumer, the Senate majority leader, to demand that the U.S. government push for a cease-fire.Credit...Dave Sanders for The New York Times
Later, a crowd of about 1,000 people gathered at Grand Army Plaza in Brooklyn for a rally organized by the group Jewish Voice for Peace. The event began with a prayer, and the demonstrators then marched two blocks to the Prospect Park West home of Chuck Schumer, the Senate majority leader, to demand that the U.S. government push for a cease-fire.
Sign up for the New York Today Newsletter Each morning, get the latest on New York businesses, arts, sports, dining, style and more. Get it sent to your inbox.
“As Jewish New Yorkers, we are here to say, ‘not in our name,’” Morgan Bassichis, a Jewish Voice for Peace organizer, said to the crowd. “We have lost Israeli and Palestinian lives.”
Demonstrators carried signs that said “Jews against apartheid” and “Jewish descendants of Holocaust survivors against Israeli apartheid” and chanted “not in our name” and “no more weapons to Israel” as a trombone and small drum corps kept the tempo.
Image
A woman, wearing a skirt and T-shirt that says “Palestine” in red above a drawing of a tree in green and Arabic writing in red, stands at the front of a crowd. Her arm is around the child, wearing glasses, beside her.
Louisa Solomon, center, a rabbinical student from Queens, brought her children at the rally to teach them “the kind of Judaism that I want to lead and be a part of where we oppose genocide and support a better future.”Credit...Dave Sanders for The New York Times
Louisa Solomon, a rabbinical student from Queens, was among those in the crowd. Ms. Solomon, 41, had brought her children, Rosie, 6, and Reuben, 4, along to teach them “the kind of Judaism that I want to lead and be a part of where we oppose genocide and support a better future.”
“I want to listen to what folks on the ground are asking for, and what we’ve heard is that people are asking for a cease-fire,” she added.
The protesters left Mr. Schumer’s residence just before 8 p.m. and moved to Flatbush Avenue, where they blocked traffic around Grand Army Plaza, one of the city’s busiest traffic loops.
The daytime rally unfolded amid the routine business of New York: pedicabs weaving, tourists navigating the crowds, people shopping for sneakers. But social media posts had spread false information about a terrorist attack supposedly planned to take place in Times Square at the same time as Friday’s protest. Cable news segments and tabloid coverage had warned about a “Global Day of Jihad.” A thrum of worry seemed to power endless doom scrolling.
The public unease led some companies to advise employees to consider working from home on Friday. An increased number of police patrols monitored synagogues and mosques for any sign of trouble, Mayor Eric Adams said. Some families kept children home from school.
Tomer Applebaum, 37, an Israel Defense Forces veteran who lives on Staten Island, stood among a group of pro-Israel protesters. Friends of his kept their children home from school on Friday, he said, but his own children went to class.
“I’m not going to let some terrorists in a hole in Gaza scare me,” Mr. Applebaum said.
Elected officials tried to calm the public’s nerves before the rally. At a news conference on Thursday evening, Mr. Adams and Gov. Kathy Hochul told New Yorkers that there were no signs of danger, an assertion backed up by the New York Police Department and the Anti-Defamation League.
Nevertheless, some New Yorkers remained on edge. Linda Salamon, 68, a child of Holocaust survivors, said she went to Times Square in support of Israel over the objections of her daughter.
“It was every place on social media,” Ms. Salamon said. “My daughter’s sending me clips, ‘Be careful today.’”
Ms. Salamon came anyway because she said she viewed the Hamas attacks, which killed more than 1,200 Israelis, as “just like another Holocaust.” She did not see a meaningful distinction between supporting Palestinians and supporting Hamas, she said.
“I don’t understand how somebody could support terror — you know, support the Palestinians right now,” she said, though many prominent political leaders, Palestinians and others who have been supportive of the Palestinian cause have unequivocally denounced the initial attack.
Across the street at the pro-Palestine rally, Rachel Acuña, 39, said it had been difficult to watch the news coverage of the Hamas attack on Israel and Israel’s bombardment of Gaza, which has killed at least 1,900 Palestinians, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry.
“I’ve been crying a lot,” she said.
The last week had felt “isolating,” said Ms. Acuña, who is part Dominican and part Palestinian. Neighbors in Washington Heights had given her dirty looks when she went out wearing Palestinian earrings or a traditional kuffiyah scarf, she said.
“I was raised as a Latina in this country, and when 9/11 happened, I realized the rest of the world didn’t see a Latina — they saw an Arab woman,” Ms. Acuña said. This week, she said, “people in my neighborhood are uncomfortable making eye contact with me. Lots of people shake their heads at me.”
Chelsia Rose Marcius, Olivia Bensimon and Wesley Parnell contributed reporting.
A correction was made on Oct. 13, 2023: An earlier version of this article included an incorrect name of the group that organized a rally in Brooklyn. It was Jewish Voice for Peace, not Jews for Peace.
When we learn of a mistake, we acknowledge it with a correction. If you spot an error, please let us know at nytnews@nytimes.com.Learn more
Liam Stack is a religion correspondent on the Metro desk, covering New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. He was previously a political reporter based in New York and a Middle East correspondent based in Cairo. More about Liam Stack
A version of this article appears in print on Oct. 14, 2023, Section A, Page 16 of the New York edition with the headline: Amid Worries, Palestinian Supporters Rally Without Incident. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe
don't get confused about families or plantation employees- understand that slave owners were always a minority - as they were the landowners
most of the populace were tenants working in professions services or trades
it doesn't matter how many Israelis support Palestinian rights
the desperate can't discern the difference
uprisings are only a shade or 2 removed from a rioting mob
in this case its asymmetric warfare
where the killing of innocents is a tactic intended to enrage the larger force into over reach to commit even greater atrocity and weaken its external support or to over extending its military
Tiktok apparently flags/doesnt circulate videos that use "killed" "murdered" etc when they do auto subtitles... Even saying "white" limits a video circulation some creators say, thats while you'll see some people show the palm of their hand instead of saying the word.
I’m not in the mood to go back and forth with Niggas justifying killing kids . Y’all are ridiculous with this shit. You’re also assuming those Jews are crackas. Y’all see this as some Cac Jew Vs Black shit. Then comparisons it to chattel slavery? Complete madness. Y’all acting like you in Hamas or some shit . Even the Palestinian people ain’t down with killing random Jewish kids the fuck
That's not going to happen. The more they rape and kidnap young girls and kill toddlers, the less support they will get. Also it's a big leap to say we gladly kill innocents, but we demand the world condemn killing our innocents.
understanding context and causality have nothing to do with justifying their actions
isreal has killed kids - hamas has killed kids
but through wilful ignorance and lies - blame is only being assigned to one party
Yeah by the media, you can’t claim the media is biased then believe everything the media shows you. If you think all of Israel is ok with this you crazy. Then the constant posting of propaganda clips of a few racist cac Jews like that represents them all . I posted a clip of Palestinian rapper Belly saying what I’m saying. He’s from there I’ll take his word for it that the media is extremely one sided and pro Israel but many of the actual people have empathy and sympathy for Palestine
I wasn’t aware of this. Thanks for educating me.
it has been successful in the past - recent history IRA, Vietnam, Cuba etc
the thing most media has been ignoring- this past week has put most of the arab world under pressure - the arab streets are starting to demand what their governments won't do
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it doesn't matter until it becomes political action...
Ok but that doesn’t justify killing random kids and women
They've always had. During the 90's too.
Man, I'm never going to be ok with and defending killing people who were just at home not bothering anyone. And you can't celebrate the killing of innocents then demand the world stop Israel from killing your innocents.
you are welcome to keep seeking condemnation or justification where morality has been absent for decades